Theorycrafting Vs Copying

SaRuZ

I Copy but only becuase its the Meta

DigitalShibby wrote: »

IronCrystal wrote: »

As a trials healer, there isn't too much theory crafting.

SPC required, with Worms, TR, Mending, IA etc

I wear heavy kena helm because of a lack of master's resto staff.

DigitalShibby wrote: »

When I can afford it. But since I run a healer full time I pretty much live my life in SPC and Worm.

Exactly. I also run the heavy kena helm lol

Why? Troll King & Chokethorn are much better if you are rolling monster sets in trials.

Real question though. Why use Kena?

DigitalShibby

I Thoerycraft

SaRuZ wrote: »

DigitalShibby wrote: »

IronCrystal wrote: »

As a trials healer, there isn't too much theory crafting.

SPC required, with Worms, TR, Mending, IA etc

I wear heavy kena helm because of a lack of master's resto staff.

DigitalShibby wrote: »

When I can afford it. But since I run a healer full time I pretty much live my life in SPC and Worm.

Exactly. I also run the heavy kena helm lol

Why? Troll King & Chokethorn are much better if you are rolling monster sets in trials.

Real question though. Why use Kena?

using 1 pc kena because once you use 5 spc and 5 worm you typically have a helm slot left as your only gear slot to put whatever you want. The 1 pc kena gives you a little extra spell damage as a healer. since spc and worm only come in light armor the heavy helm gets you some of that undaunted passive. Troll king gives 2% to healing done but once you have CP's in the right places you're already dropping huge heals, where as kena helps more for getting to add in the damage with its spell power increase.

Shimmer

I Thoerycraft

I have my own hybrid build that allows me to tank heal and put out good deeps all at the same time.

HatchetHaro

I Thoerycraft

I do something in the middle, actually. Typically I follow the meta because, well, it is the meta, but I analyze it to find out what makes it tick, find its flaws and flex spots, and modify it to my own playstyle.

Rohamad_Ali

I Thoerycraft

It's the number one reason I am broke with a five piece Air and a five piece Senche suit taking up bank space .

Arthg

I like testing sets a lot, and dislike copying stuff in general.

I wouldn't dare call myself a theorycrafter, though - more of a set-dabbler, hence my, hum, marginal efficiency.

Narvuntien

I Thoerycraft

I am also not a theroycrafter... i dont even have damage indicators turned on or any addons for it.

I learn what the meta is and why the meta is... then I start changing things to see how they change the results.

I am probably closer to a honer.

should be three, Brewer (theroycraft), Honer (try to improve, change slightly from the meta), Meta user. Copying isn't at all fair, its a loaded word.

GawdSB

I Copy but only becuase its the Meta

I have very limited time atm to even play ESO, I was 5 seconds away from ranting about this how I have so little to play and I have to deal with the bad performance. So, no I'm not going to go through the testing of theorycrafting and waste even more of my time.

SaRuZ

I Copy but only becuase its the Meta

DigitalShibby wrote: »

SaRuZ wrote: »

DigitalShibby wrote: »

IronCrystal wrote: »

As a trials healer, there isn't too much theory crafting.

SPC required, with Worms, TR, Mending, IA etc

I wear heavy kena helm because of a lack of master's resto staff.

DigitalShibby wrote: »

When I can afford it. But since I run a healer full time I pretty much live my life in SPC and Worm.

Exactly. I also run the heavy kena helm lol

Why? Troll King & Chokethorn are much better if you are rolling monster sets in trials.

Real question though. Why use Kena?

using 1 pc kena because once you use 5 spc and 5 worm you typically have a helm slot left as your only gear slot to put whatever you want. The 1 pc kena gives you a little extra spell damage as a healer. since spc and worm only come in light armor the heavy helm gets you some of that undaunted passive. Troll king gives 2% to healing done but once you have CP's in the right places you're already dropping huge heals, where as kena helps more for getting to add in the damage with its spell power increase.

Ohh ok, that makes sense.

GawdSB

I Copy but only becuase its the Meta

Also, you need a dedicated group around you imo to help you farm things to test how they work for theorycrafting. I don't have that either.

KaiDynasty

I Thoerycraft

I theorycraft only for PVP since there are many ways to play (regen build, cannon, kyte, permablocker, etc).
PVE is strictly specialized on 1 role, so you haven't many ways to play "OUTSIDE" of schemes and be at the same time efficient.

bebynnag

MissBizz wrote: »

I do both. I do what I want... But within reason of ensuring it's still decent.

But then I wanted to do VMA so I copied for that character lol

^^this exacatly^^

Seraphayel

I Thoerycraft

84% theorycraft? Pretty sure 95% of those theorycraft for 5 minutes then go the the forums and copy a build (the meta).

Sausage

I Thoerycraft

My way or the highway.

VampiricByNature

If I don't know what I'm going into- I mostly go with meta.
Healing is my main in this game and I tend to have 1000 armor sets. If they made it, I've tried it. But at the same time, for pve, you're rarely going to reinvent the wheel.

Turelus

I Copy but only becuase its the Meta

I voted for copy the meta because more often that's what I do.

I do like to sit and theory craft or make my own builds which don't strictly adhere to the meta though, but when it comes to just getting a build and joining a group I generally go with the advice of meta of others.

Biro123

I always thought theorycrafting was all about testing game mechanics to try to discover how the game ticks behind the scenes - ie. what the formulas are for how dmg is calculated, how mitigation works, how crit works, how stats affect it etc..

Based on that I don't theory-craft.

What I do do is try to think outside the box to come up with my own unique builds and playstyles. Yes, I look at builds people post, and see what the 'common meta' is - but just for ideas to feed into my own stuff.

altemriel

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

Do you enjoy trying to test and see what works for you. Or do you just follow the meta and go with what everyone's running thus copying.

I copied Sypher`s build and also now grinding for Blob`s build, nice to do . I am not so experienced to create my own build, I just copy and adapt it a bit for myself.

raasdal

I Thoerycraft

Biro123 wrote: »

I always thought theorycrafting was all about testing game mechanics to try to discover how the game ticks behind the scenes - ie. what the formulas are for how dmg is calculated, how mitigation works, how crit works, how stats affect it etc..

Based on that I don't theory-craft.

What I do do is try to think outside the box to come up with my own unique builds and playstyles. Yes, I look at builds people post, and see what the 'common meta' is - but just for ideas to feed into my own stuff.

And you are right. What people here term as Theorycrafting, is what i call putting on random sets, and see if it increases the damage.

THEORYcrafting involves serious insight into all game mechanics, and does not require you to grind a single piece of gear. That is exactly why it is called THEORYcrafting. You design a build in spreadsheet basically. Using you vast knowledge of game mechanics, to put together something that achieves a specific goal.

If you are not familiar, intimiately, with the calculations made here, by Asaire, you are NOT a Theorycrafter. End of story.

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pts-2-1-2-sorcerer-arithmagic/

Also, PvE in this game, is almost devoid of Theorycrafting. You have a preset role, and only one simple thing to accomplish. Tanks have the most potential to be Theorycrafted. But a DPS? It is more about rotations and timers. IMO, real Theorycrafting happens in PvP, where you can accomplish gameplay in many many different ways.

This poll should have said; Do you make your own build, or copy others? Making a your own build, is far from the same, as Theorycrafting.

theher0not

I like to take something Meta and then change a few things to fit my playstyle.

Uviryth

I do neither. I use what feels right. I play the game as it was advertised. "Play however you want". If I dont perform with peak efficiency, so what.

Greetz,
Uvi, HybridTankMeleeDDstaminasorcererwerewolve.

Tommy_The_Gun

I Thoerycraft

I always theorycraft. But it so happens that whenever I finish certain build it turns out that... it is already existing and popular meta build...

Derra

I Thoerycraft

I still find it funny ppl were mocking me for farming bsw inferno sharp after 1 tamriel release. Spinner bis - oh wait

runagate

I Thoerycraft

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

It's the number one reason I am broke with a five piece Air and a five piece Senche suit taking up bank space .

OMFG me too!

For zergbusting, though, try combining Air with Morihaus. Hunt is lame compared to Morihaus, especially on a toon with some other maneuverability abilities.

I theorycraft. I make stupid builds and have a bajillion sets. I love to experiment. It fills all 12 character slots with weird items and makes me way poorer than I'd otherwise be. I have multiple builds on tap for all 23 characters plus some stuff I'm either working on or haven't completed.

I should not. People with way more focus and dedication to testing things (particularly for PvE) will make better builds than I do. Just copying @code65536 is a better contribution to group content than anything I come up with. Except in PvP where the things I've done to theorycraft group-wide are now basically what people do in HM vMoL, except in PvP you can take it even further. And niche builds for very particular purposes are wildly overlooked.

johu31

I Copy but only becuase its the Meta

Don't have the time

Birdovic

I Thoerycraft

Its hard to tell if people even CAN theorycraft nowadays.

I still love trying out new sets, combinations and "think outside the box", making unusual builds work.
But (as I said about 10000~ times already), theorycrafting is pretty much impossible now.
The reason is Missing Softcaps.
And CP should have less impact.

It's simply too hard to be creative and competitive at the same time, when you miss out on high max resources or damage, that all the FotM builds stack, just because you want to make a underused set work.

Sets that im Talking about here are often those, that usually offer a cool 5pc Bonus, but you need to accept 2-4pc bonuses that just offer little "resistance" or "healing taken" bonuses, which again are underwhelming because resources + Dmg are much more valuable due to the ability of endless stacking. These sets can be great, when there is a softcap to reach, since stacking is not a necessity/must to compete, anymore.
Your worn sets define your build from now on

(and now just take a quick look at the huge amount of sets we already have availaible and imagine the endless possibilities).

Tl;Dr:
We need softcaps to see more build diversity, to finally make many Sets a valid choice and to finish the Damage Creep Meta.
Your worn sets are, what should define your build, where numbers don't matter too much anymore.

Masel

I Thoerycraft

Theorycrafting all the way, and I think that with the newly available skeletons we can see a lot more of it coming

The reason why I think players should come up with their own builds is that when you invent something and improve it constantly, you just learn it a pot better than copying someone else's work.

M0bi

I Copy but only becuase its the Meta

Im pretty sure most of the people who voted theorycraft are lying....

I went to the IC recently, got killed by 3 different people running viper/tremorscale....which btw, proc'd an ungodly amount of times.

Cadbury

I just use whatever looks cool.

Tryxus

I do both:

- If a build looks interesting/strong enough, then I'd like try it out myself and see if I like it
- But I also like to come up with my own based on interesting gear sets or good drops that I've had, and often asking other ppl for feedback on them as well.