Maintenance for the week of December 16:
• PC/Mac: No maintenance – December 16
• NA megaservers for patch maintenance – December 17, 4:00AM EST (9:00 UTC) - 12:00PM EST (17:00 UTC)
• EU megaservers for patch maintenance – December 17, 9:00 UTC (4:00AM EST) - 17:00 UTC (12:00PM EST)
The issues on the North American megaservers have been resolved at this time. If you continue to experience difficulties at login, please restart your client. Thank you for your patience!

Theorycrafting Vs Copying

WeylandLabs
WeylandLabs
✭✭✭✭✭
Do you enjoy trying to test and see what works for you. Or do you just follow the meta and go with what everyone's running thus copying.
Edited by WeylandLabs on February 10, 2017 3:27AM

Theorycrafting Vs Copying 119 votes

I Thoerycraft
82%
GilvothSunraRastafarielAlMcFlyIllumoushedna123b14_ESODrasnwenchmore420b14_ESOlolo_01b16_ESOBirdovicYulsjedtb16_ESOJitterbugSoellaDredlordflguy147ub17_ESOguulNifty2gUntrustedExistenzBRogueNZ 98 votes
I Copy but only becuase its the Meta
17%
Iruil_ESOTurelusStefacleM0biwhiteshadow711jppreub18_ESOhamgatankarma69SlappyThePoptartCalboyjohu31Wrecking_Blow_SpamlokesgardcowsayUshiSaRuZGawdSBBobby_V_RockitKimoBitzDxPerfectionMakoForeIronCrystal 21 votes
  • Strider_Roshin
    Strider_Roshin
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭
    I Thoerycraft
    I have my own style in doing things. I'm not a fan of cloaking with my stamblade, and I don't camp behind mines with my magsorc (way too boring).
  • MakoFore
    MakoFore
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    I Copy but only becuase its the Meta
    i dont have time to theory craft . i can only play a few hours a week- so to farm 3 different sets to test them is out of the question. i have to take peoples word that Bsw, spinners, spirggans, fury, etc are good sets and get them. I've relied on the same 3 streamers, fengrush, kodi and alcast for almost a couple years now- and they've always been good. there are others. tried at least one of al the big streamers, - but i simply enjoying playing these guys' builds more- there also fun and functional. i like 2hand and bow stamina builds as well as dual wield and main on the four stam classes so thats prob why also.

    but i always adjust to my own style, for example i always find a home for rearming trap on my back bar, and will typically choose a maelstrom weapon over any monster set or proc set ( i havent run one since trying viper for week) , preferring the flat damage increase from crit rush over any spikes off a monster set or proc set.
    Edited by MakoFore on February 10, 2017 12:40AM
  • Uphz
    Uphz
    ✭✭✭
    I would love to try out different sets and combinations but really, I can't even get one set within a reasonable amount of time. I don't want to spend days on gear that might be bad.
  • MissBizz
    MissBizz
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    I do both. I do what I want... But within reason of ensuring it's still decent.

    But then I wanted to do VMA so I copied for that character lol
    Lone Wolf HelpFor the solo players who know, sometimes you just need a hand.PC | NA | AD-DC-EP | Discord
  • txtorpedo
    txtorpedo
    ✭✭
    I Thoerycraft
    I like to do my own thing now. I have more success playing my way.
  • SnubbS
    SnubbS
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    There just aren't that many ways to build any of the 8 specs. Ever so often I think of a decent idea, or I see someone else whose had a decent idea and adapt it for myself. Example: Amberplasm instead of Lich on Magsorc. But rarely (in fact never) do I feel like these are original ideas. There's simply too few options, to the point where it's inevitable that someone has thought of either the idea I just had, or the idea that I just stole.
    Edited by SnubbS on February 10, 2017 12:57AM
    Xbox NA: SnubbS
    GoW eSports player & part time ESO Pug Ball Zerger.
    GB
  • X3ina
    X3ina
    ✭✭✭
    I theoryraft sometimes and i just copy sometimes

    P.S.: Looking for a tester for my theories btw
    SW GoH > ESO
  • SaRuZ
    SaRuZ
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    I Copy but only becuase its the Meta
    Right now I am running Fengrush Stamsorc meta build from October. I finally farmed the last piece of purple jewelry this week.

    I run 5pc Black Rose, 2pc Tremorscale, 7pc Viper.

    I have all purple viper jewelry. Sharpened Viper dagger with inpen viper shield on front bar and sharpened viper axe/dagger dw on back bar.

    It's sickening. I despise it. I am using it to tank pve(dungeons, not trials) Honestly, I am thinking of running 5pc Levi instead of Black Rose for the crit but I'd rather respec back to magsorc if I am up to farming all the gear for it.
  • DeadlyRecluse
    DeadlyRecluse
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭✭
    What most people in this game call theorycrafting, isn't.
    Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub
  • flguy147ub17_ESO
    flguy147ub17_ESO
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    I Thoerycraft
    I normally trust my own builds, but not to say i wont check out numbers and things from other people. I remember at PC launch i told my guild i was going all light armor and people said i would be squishy as hell and die all the time. But my theory at the time was looking at all the abilities and 90% were all magicka base so i thought light armor would be much better for mitigation. Within a few weeks everybody was rolling that in my guild and of course the whole game. I know people probably did that on the PTS beta but i didnt know that at the time. So i used my own opinion even though everybody told me i was an idiot for using it. You have to trust you gut sometimes.
    Edited by flguy147ub17_ESO on February 10, 2017 1:05AM
  • whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO
    whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    I Copy but only becuase its the Meta
    I copy some things that work well but also theorycraft to do some things my way..
    Signed, Kotaro Atani.PS5 NA
    VR16/ CP 160 Khajiit Nightblade of the Aldmeri Dominion, Guildmaster and Assassin of the Queen's Hand guild on NA PC. PvP Officer in the WOLF guild on NA PS5, and of course Master Thief. Currently 3365 CP out of 3600 CP on NA PS5. Currently 810 CP on NA PC (used for PTS testing purposes only). On PS5 I am also a Master Crafter, all traits done and learned, Jewelry crafting done. all Motifs learned on PS5 except for maybe two-three Motifs. Both Companions are Max level as are their Skills.Warrior, Lover, Thief.... Nightblade. Aldmeri Dominion For Life! For the Queen!! Go Dominion or go home ! "I have no hatred for the races of Man, but they are young. Like all children, they are driven by emotion. They lack the wisdom that comes with age. I would sooner place an Altmer infant on the Ruby Throne than surrender Tamriel to their capricious whims. The Altmer, the Bosmer and the Khajiit share the common traits of intelligence, patience and reason. We do not seek riches or plunder. Domination is not our goal, nor is the acclamation of power for its own sake. Today we make our stand. Today we take back the Ruby Throne, which is ours by ancient right and the blessings of the Divines. Stand with us." ―Your Queen Commands, Ayrenn Arana Aldmeri.(All 18 characters are AD only! This one is a AD Loyalist)Member of ESO Since January 29, 2014, started early Access 3/30/14 on PC, currently subbed on NA PS5 and on NA PC. Note- I only use PC for PTS testing purposes, the PS5 is my dedicated Game Platform.Note- for those that don't know how to say Kotaro Atani it's "Ko tar row Ah ta ni" (Ko with a Oh sound, tar which sounds like the sticky black tar stuff, row like rowing a boat, Ah with a AHHHH sound, Ta with a Tahhh sound, Neeee which sounds like knee)"The blowing sands of time wipe clean the footprints of the past...""Moonsugar may be the key to paradise, but it is through a false door...""A perfect society is always elsewhere..."- Unknown book of Khajiiti proverbs.
  • IcyDeadPeople
    IcyDeadPeople
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭
    I have fun testing and researching what are perhaps the most lazy ESO builds for PVP.

    Limited to only gear that can be crafted or acquired cheaply from guild traders or PVP vendor, with zero grinding required. Obviously not the most powerful best in slot option, but they are viable and fun to play.
    Edited by IcyDeadPeople on February 10, 2017 1:00AM
  • Kram8ion
    Kram8ion
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    I Thoerycraft
    Yep my toon should be having assimilation therapy due to the many build personalities "it" has had
    Aussie lag is real!
  • FrostFallFox
    FrostFallFox
    ✭✭✭✭
    Not everything is black and white.
    \(^-,,-^)/
  • Dredlord
    Dredlord
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    I Thoerycraft
    Wow so many bullchitters think they theory craft here...
  • WeylandLabs
    WeylandLabs
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    Smh ...

    Ok... since some people want clarification of what "Theorycrafting" is this is for you.

    Theorycrafting:

    The science of optimizing a character for a specific goal, such as optimizing a character for the traditional roles of tank, healer or DPS Hybrid or all resourceful.

    Minmaxing:

    Minimizing the bad attributes of a character while maximizing the good ones.

    Now you can call it the same thing, but it is similar to building around passives vs building for a idea/goal.
    Edited by WeylandLabs on February 10, 2017 2:23AM
  • Bobby_V_Rockit
    Bobby_V_Rockit
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    I Copy but only becuase its the Meta
    Ermagerrd, I'm so unique with my stam sorc (the only class, role and style I've played for a year and a half) 5x VO 5x Spriggan and 2x Velidreth setup
  • Minalan
    Minalan
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭✭
    I Thoerycraft
    I've spent hundreds of thousand in gold, and farmed at least eight complete sets not counting the monster pieces.

    I think that lands me in 'obsessive compulsive', not theory crafter.
    Edited by Minalan on February 10, 2017 2:35AM
  • Tabbycat
    Tabbycat
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭
    Just picture a Khajiit waving her hands around and going Pft at these poll options.
    Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
    0.016%
  • brandonv516
    brandonv516
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭
    I Thoerycraft
    I have some of the most fun putting together sets that might mesh well together.

    Then there are the obvious times you should follow meta (i.e. want to get into a trial, need a vma build for score, etc.)
  • ForsakenSin
    ForsakenSin
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    I Thoerycraft
    I have to admit i love theory crafting ... cost me heaps in gold ( over 500k) not counting gold mats but after a long trial and error i made a pretty damm good DPS :)

    but there is always room to improve

    "By many i am seen as hero...as a savior of the Tamriel i will not stop until every Daedra every evil there is in Tamriel is vanquish by my hands..
    However i do this for my own purpose to gain trust of mortals to worship me and to eliminate my competition i will not bend my knee to lead your army to serve you Molag Bal , i will simply just take it from you.."--- Forsaken Sin( Magica Sorc)



    Arise From Darkness Forsaken SIn
    "You have been a loyal High Elf Magica Sorc
    Conjure of Darkness, Master of Magic
    Killer of Molag Bal and Savior of Ebonheart Pact
    Until Dark Brotherhood killed you...
    but now..NOW its time to Arise From Darkness once again..."

  • HowlingMoney515
    There's maybe 4 or 5 sets per stam/magicka, tank that actually play well unless your running around with 20+ people. If your doing that, anything works.
  • dem0n1k
    dem0n1k
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    I tend to work with what gear I have acquired & use it to work towards some better gear. I have 12 characters so the less played ones have some terrible gear.
    NA Server [PC] -- Mostly Ebonheart Pact, Mostly.
  • hamgatan
    hamgatan
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    I Copy but only becuase its the Meta
    wheres the option for both?

    i try out other peoples builds on some chars, and on others i smash out my own testing..
    PC / NA - 1800 CP

    PvE Tanks
    L50 Imperial DK (US/DC) "Rampant Rabbit"
    L50 Nord Necro (US/DC) "Skeletons In The Closet"
    L50 Nord Arcanist (US/EP) "Now Thats a Huge Witch"

    PvE Healers
    L50 Argonian MagPlar (US/EP) "Smothers-With-Pillows"
    L50 Breton MagWarden (US/EP) "Drunk-The-Koolaid"
    L50 Altmer MagBlade (US/AD) "Never Goanna Heal You Up"

    PvE DPS
    L50 PvE DPS Khajit MagDK (US/EP) "Snowflake Crusher"
    L50 Dunmer Stam Arcanist PvE DPS (US/EP) "Sends-The-Trout"
    L50 Altmer MagSorc PvE DPS (US/DC) "Acirrum" - The vMA/vvH Potatoaky Sorc
    L50 Breton StamCro PvE DPS (US/DC) "Ivanna Fakakakis"
    L50 PvE DPS Argonian StamPlar (US/EP) "The Rusty Argonian Spade"
    L50 PvE DPS Khajit StamPlar (US/EP) "Critteh Kitteh"
    L50 Dunmer MagDK PvE DPS (US/DC) "Deep Fried Bin Chicken"

    Bank Skanks
    L20 Redguard StamBlade PvP Tank (US/AD) "Sneak Dogg"
    L40 Orc StamDen PvE DPS (US/EP) "Fugly Betty"

    PvP DPS
    L50 Orc StamSorc PvE DPS (US/AD) "Fraggle Proc"


    Xbox One / NA - 360 CP
    L50 Altmer MagBlade (US/AD) "Cork Soaking"
    L10 Argonian Templar (US/EP) "Makes-Me-Moist"
    L10 Argonian MagDK (US/EP) "<Forced-Name-Change>"
    L27 Altmer MagSorc (US/EP) "Sorcie McSorcface"

    |GM - The Bin Chicken Alliance | Aussie Dragon Slayers | Aedra | The Skooma Emporium | The Bus | The Bounty Hunters Guild |
  • SaRuZ
    SaRuZ
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    I Copy but only becuase its the Meta
    The best way to theorycraft or whatever the condescending types want to dub it, is to save any good set pieces you get while farming for the ones you want. I have gotten so much purple jewelry and divines/inpen pieces from sets I don't want or enough monster helms to fill a room. If I had saved the good pieces to roll on a new alt I would be set lol.
  • DigitalShibby
    DigitalShibby
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    I Thoerycraft
    When I can afford it. But since I run a healer full time I pretty much live my life in SPC and Worm.
  • kargen27
    kargen27
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    Need a just wing it and hope option.
    and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."
  • IronCrystal
    IronCrystal
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    I Copy but only becuase its the Meta
    As a trials healer, there isn't too much theory crafting.

    SPC required, with Worms, TR, Mending, IA etc

    I wear heavy kena helm because of a lack of master's resto staff.
    Edited by IronCrystal on February 10, 2017 3:03AM
    Make PC NA raiding great again!

    Down with drama!


    What Mechanics Healer - Dro-m'Athra Destroyer

    Homestead Raid Scores
    vHRC 157,030
    vAA 138,287
    vSO 153,393
    vMoL 154,550

    Not raiding in Morrowind
  • mb10
    mb10
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭
    I Thoerycraft
    I genuinely do theory craft lol

    Pretty sure 75% of players DONT theorycraft though


    For example:
    Stam sorc: hurricane, rush, dawnbreaker, executioner
    magplar: heals, spam jabs, radiant destruction anywhere around 60% health
  • DigitalShibby
    DigitalShibby
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    I Thoerycraft
    As a trials healer, there isn't too much theory crafting.

    SPC required, with Worms, TR, Mending, IA etc

    I wear heavy kena helm because of a lack of master's resto staff.
    When I can afford it. But since I run a healer full time I pretty much live my life in SPC and Worm.

    Exactly. I also run the heavy kena helm lol
Sign In or Register to comment.