Undaunted Key grind is killing my enjoyment of this game.

Fly666monkey

50 keys in and I have not seen hide or hair of the Iceheart shoulders, let alone any with the weight and trait I want. The past few weeks has been nothing but doing pledges over and over again. And I'm hearing stories of people going through upwards of 120 keys with no luck?

Who in their right mind thought this was a good design decision?! I know a skinner box when I see one. Implement a token system already.

Unsent.Soul

Lol. Sorry for your misfortune, too bad it's working as intended. Keep at it or wait for the golden.

Remag_Div

RNG is a cheap way to get people to keep playing.

Wifeaggro13

Fly666monkey wrote: »

50 keys in and I have not seen hide or hair of the Iceheart shoulders, let alone any with the weight and trait I want. The past few weeks has been nothing but doing pledges over and over again. And I'm hearing stories of people going through upwards of 120 keys with no luck?

Who in their right mind thought this was a good design decision?! I know a skinner box when I see one. Implement a token system already.

The biggest problem with undaunted is the dungeons are so bloody easy now and unrewarding. That I'd rather tank the forums then actually play the horrible progression system ESO designed

Fly666monkey

Remag_Div wrote: »

RNG is a cheap way to get people to keep playing.

Funny, it's having the opposite effect one me. Feel like I need a break at the very least.

akl77

I had to spent over 220 keys for medium divine validreath shoulder. I'm not Kidding!
Sorry but I just got nothing good to say for this game at the moment, crashes, errors, boring pointless grind, crap loot, crap nerf decisions, bad vast community of players to play with. I'd rather invest my time in Nioh and for honour, they are all good things I can say, ESO you need to keep up! Your childish twicks patches and tricks is for kids, grow up and learn from good games like Nioh and for honour!

Zanen

If you have 12 characters you can get 72 keys a day. Even on one character you're going to get something usable pretty quick if you keep at it, it's way better than it used to be.

RNG sometimes really blows though, the dungeon/arena weapons are way worse than shoulders.

olsborg

The grind in this game to get the right pvp-gear is ...my favourite word atm...asenine.

Remag_Div

Zanen wrote: »

If you have 12 characters you can get 72 keys a day. Even on one character you're going to get something usable pretty quick if you keep at it, it's way better than it used to be.

RNG sometimes really blows though, the dungeon/arena weapons are way worse that shoulders.

Do people seriously do all the dailies every day with 12 characters? How long does this take?

You'll get stuff quicker for sure but still sounds like hell.

Dr_Rektar

How it works for me- I collect 200 keys. I open chest untill get smth interesting, than creating toon who can get any use of that shoulder, than I farm helm

Lukums1

Mate when you get to 400 keys come back and complain till then keep trying. 50 keys... LOL... come on

Nestor

I tend to get the Monster stuff I need, but I also don't sweat the traits all that much. The Set Bonuses are so much more important. I mean its like 96 Magic less or less than 1% less Critical Chance per piece if you don't have Divines. This is not going to make any significant difference in your build.

All this fretting over whether you get Divines on a Monster Piece is just waste of energy.

I will now duck and cover for all the stones the Min/Maxers are going to throw at me.

jpeter88

way to many people complain about RNG, its part of MMO's, people expect everything fast and free with zero grind. could you imagine how boring this game would be if you got everything you wanted the first go? it is frustrating and i do agree they need a token system of sorts but there needs to be a grind or the game is just dead. dont play the game if its that frustrating, simple as that.

Fly666monkey

Lukums1 wrote: »

Mate when you get to 400 keys come back and complain till then keep trying. 50 keys... LOL... come on

At 400 keys I would have just quit playing entirely.

imapogostick

olsborg wrote: »

The grind in this game to get the right pvp-gear is ...my favourite word atm...asenine.

Couldn't agree more nothing worse than waiting 30 mins to get into a dungeon only to have to do it another 40 times. I spend more time just waiting to play than I actually play

zaria

Nestor wrote: »

I tend to get the Monster stuff I need, but I also don't sweat the traits all that much. The Set Bonuses are so much more important. I mean its like 96 Magic less or less than 1% less Critical Chance per piece if you don't have Divines. This is not going to make any significant difference in your build.

All this fretting over whether you get Divines on a Monster Piece is just waste of energy.

I will now duck and cover for all the stones the Min/Maxers are going to throw at me.

Are you completely mad, its the perfect and its junk who is hardly worth the time sell to merchant.
Sell or deconstruct it now.

Tannus15

imapogostick wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

The grind in this game to get the right pvp-gear is ...my favourite word atm...asenine.

Couldn't agree more nothing worse than waiting 30 mins to get into a dungeon only to have to do it another 40 times. I spend more time just waiting to play than I actually play

Put together a solo build and run pledges on normal without waiting for a group.

GilGalad

330 keys for my only Grothdarr shoulder in divines. RNG in this game is just a pain wit over 90% useless traits...

Cronopoly

jpeter88 wrote: »

way to many people complain about RNG, its part of MMO's, people expect everything fast and free with zero grind. could you imagine how boring this game would be if you got everything you wanted the first go? it is frustrating and i do agree they need a token system of sorts but there needs to be a grind or the game is just dead. dont play the game if its that frustrating, simple as that.

What post are you reading!?!? We've spent in some cases over 50 - 100 hours in some of these dungeons with Nada to show for it. No one here is talking about instant gratification. We are talking about in some cases 350 to 1 odds of getting a drop you are looking for.

We are specifically talking about massive "Grinding".

Phica_Lovic

You are way late to the party.

olsborg

imapogostick wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

The grind in this game to get the right pvp-gear is ...my favourite word atm...asenine.

Couldn't agree more nothing worse than waiting 30 mins to get into a dungeon only to have to do it another 40 times. I spend more time just waiting to play than I actually play

The funny thing is @imapogostick you have to pve to get the right bis pvp-gear, if you pvp you get mostly trash.

zaria

olsborg wrote: »

imapogostick wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

The grind in this game to get the right pvp-gear is ...my favourite word atm...asenine.

Couldn't agree more nothing worse than waiting 30 mins to get into a dungeon only to have to do it another 40 times. I spend more time just waiting to play than I actually play

The funny thing is @imapogostick you have to pve to get the right bis pvp-gear, if you pvp you get mostly trash.

This, not calling for pure PvP gear but the PvP rewards should focus on bonuses who are nice in PvP.

imapogostick

Yup, I mainly pvp I hate grinding dungeons, so of course redoing them constantly to get my pvp gear is... annoying

skiptomyluau

I'm about 10 days in trying to get a kragh shoulder. ANY kragh shoulder.

BlackPhillip

Dungeon finder kills my enjoyment of this game.

Lord Xanhorn

Too many people give ESO a pass on the horrid end game progression. Really the only way to progress your character is CP and grinding for less than 1% gains in gear. Its insane. You could realistically have the same exact gear you had in September of 2015 and be close to the same power level except for some set bonuses. That's the IC DLC folks.

The really sad news is that its not getting better even with Morrowind.

EldritchPenguin

jpeter88 wrote: »

way to many people complain about RNG, its part of MMO's, people expect everything fast and free with zero grind. could you imagine how boring this game would be if you got everything you wanted the first go? it is frustrating and i do agree they need a token system of sorts but there needs to be a grind or the game is just dead. dont play the game if its that frustrating, simple as that.

If the OP had burned 3 keys and then made this thread, I would agree with you. But we're talking about 50 keys here. That is 25 hard mode runs minimum. That's 8 days worth of dailies for one character, and that's if every single one of them was a hard mode dungeon, which is only feasible if you are either an extremely strong player already and can carry groups through hard mode DLC dungeons, or you have a really good guild full of players that doesn't need to be carried in the first place. So it could be 8 days worth of dailies for one character, or it could be 16.

Now, I don't know about you, but I think it's more than reasonable to say that 8-16 days worth of farming should be more than enough to get a single Iceheart piece to complete the set. It doesn't have to be enough farming to get the BiS trait and armor weight, but it's not reasonable to spend that much time looking for a usable item and never get it.

I don't think there's anything wrong with giving adequate items to players left and right. Let people run around with 2 medium Grothdarr pieces in Prosperous and Training after their first few Undaunted dailies. The grind for BiS items is and should be hard, but it should be relatively easy to get baseline equipment that will be adequate until you have the means to grind out a better version of it.

S1ipperyJim

Zanen wrote: »

If you have 12 characters you can get 72 keys a day. Even on one character you're going to get something usable pretty quick

LOL.

Even if it were possible to run 36 dungeons on hard mode in 24 hrs who would do this IRL???? Are you insane?

Fly666monkey

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

jpeter88 wrote: »

way to many people complain about RNG, its part of MMO's, people expect everything fast and free with zero grind. could you imagine how boring this game would be if you got everything you wanted the first go? it is frustrating and i do agree they need a token system of sorts but there needs to be a grind or the game is just dead. dont play the game if its that frustrating, simple as that.

If the OP had burned 3 keys and then made this thread, I would agree with you. But we're talking about 50 keys here. That is 25 hard mode runs minimum. That's 8 days worth of dailies for one character, and that's if every single one of them was a hard mode dungeon, which is only feasible if you are either an extremely strong player already and can carry groups through hard mode DLC dungeons, or you have a really good guild full of players that doesn't need to be carried in the first place. So it could be 8 days worth of dailies for one character, or it could be 16.

Now, I don't know about you, but I think it's more than reasonable to say that 8-16 days worth of farming should be more than enough to get a single Iceheart piece to complete the set. It doesn't have to be enough farming to get the BiS trait and armor weight, but it's not reasonable to spend that much time looking for a usable item and never get it.

I don't think there's anything wrong with giving adequate items to players left and right. Let people run around with 2 medium Grothdarr pieces in Prosperous and Training after their first few Undaunted dailies. The grind for BiS items is and should be hard, but it should be relatively easy to get baseline equipment that will be adequate until you have the means to grind out a better version of it.

Thank you for being reasonable.

It's not the grind itself that's the problem, it's that I, and many other players, have nothing to show for it.

MLGProPlayer

The odds of getting the shoulder you need are 1/288.

Korean MMOs have better odds on gear than this

acw37162

Really, you can get three to six keys a day on each toon you have.

Have you tired to farm Burning Spell Weave or the light set from Imperial City Prison the name escapes me at the moment.

Good luck on finding a BSW inferno staff and if you want sharpened.