Do NOT buy blueprints/diagrams in guild traders right now

heaven13

I have a pattern (Pattern: Breton Bed, Bunk) that states that it requires Tailoring 4, Woodworking 2. Both of these are green on the "To Create" list, indicating that my crafter fulfills both of these requirements. Checking in her skill journal affirms that she does meet them. Yet when trying to consume the pattern to learn it, I receive a message stating "Your level isn't high enough to use this item". What level? Is a 44 level character not high enough to create a pattern for a bed, regardless of crafting level? Or is there another level that's not being indicated by the requirements?



All in all, this update is severely underwhelming and grindy (and I say this as someone that actually enjoys wandering around and farming materials), as well as lacking any real functionality or purpose. Add in hidden or broken mechanics of learning said blueprints and such, I'm just about ready to give up entirely and put all my mats and recipes up on guild traders and reap the financial rewards that I can use for other stuff. Like increasing my bank and bag space. -_-

EDIT: There appears to be a bug where furniture diagrams/blueprints/etc have a hidden level requirement that scales to the person who finds it. Anyone who is a lower level than the person who tries to consume the recipe will receive the "Your level isn't high enough to use this item" error message and will end up with plans that they are not able to use. It's probably wisest to only use the plans you find yourself or trade/sell to people in your guild or friend's list until the bug is fixed.

This is a (temporarily) huge hit to the trading system right now since a lot of people were planning on selling plans they found since they had no interest in crafting furniture or owning a home themselves.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/319341/learning-blueprint-are-tied-to-the-player-level-i-am-lv-22-and-keep-saying-my-level-is-too-low

starkerealm

Something really weird there, because with recipes, you can consume them over your level.

Sigtric

I think it is a bug

Was that recipe looted by a character with a higher level than the character in the picture shown?

IE if you looted it with a level 50 toon, but try to consume it on a level 44 toon, it does not work. This seems to be happening to some people.

BlackSparrow

Yep, it's a bug. Feel free to reply to this thread in the Bug Reports section to keep bumping it.

heaven13

Sigtric wrote: »

I think it is a bug

Was that recipe looted by a character with a higher level than the character in the picture shown?

IE if you looted it with a level 50 toon, but try to consume it on a level 44 toon, it does not work. This seems to be happening to some people.

That's odd, especially taking into consideration what @starkerealm said. Other than this, furniture crafting does appear to be a similar mechanic to provisioning, so one would think it would work the same.

Still, the answer would be no since Camilla is my highest level character who also happens to be my blacksmith, clothier, and woodworker so anything my other characters find that are considered those types of recipes get passed along to her.

EDIT: now that I think of it, I believe I purchased this particular pattern in my guild trader. So that very well COULD be the issue.

BlackSparrow wrote: »

Yep, it's a bug. Feel free to reply to this thread in the Bug Reports section to keep bumping it.

Thanks. I will indeed reply there.

MasterSpatula

I'm having no trouble learning schematics for which I don't have all the passives unlocked.

heaven13

MasterSpatula wrote: »

I'm having no trouble learning schematics for which I don't have all the passives unlocked.

It's not the passives, I don't believe. It's if someone is a level 24 and buys a schematics from a level cp120 or something. The plans seem to be scaling like gear found in the world, but without notice that it does it. So just as a level 24 couldn't wear cp120 gear, they also can't learn plans they buy from someone higher level.

skiptomyluau

You sure you have skill points in tailoring and not just leveled the clothing skill?

starkerealm

skiptomyluau wrote: »

You sure you have skill points in tailoring and not just leveled the clothing skill?

The tailoring requirement would be red, then. Also, I'm pretty sure you can still consume a recipe even if you don't meet the prerequisites. (At least, that's how it works with provisioning.)

heaven13

Yes, what starkerealm said. Not only are the requirements green, I double checked her skill tab to make sure she had it there as well. The only thing that I can think is, as I stated, I bought this from a guild trader so it's likely that whoever was selling it was a higher level than my crafter's current level.

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heaven13

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

Oh, I thought you were about to warn people about overpriced diagrams and blueprints.

Saw some people trying to sell that stuff for 50k+

lol, no. Though if you combine that 50k price tag (which yeah, I saw some that were priced at psijic ambrosia recipe prices as well) with hidden character level requirements, someone might end up MIGHTY angry paying that much for something and then not even being able to use it!

Alpheu5

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

Oh, I thought you were about to warn people about overpriced diagrams and blueprints.

Saw some people trying to sell that stuff for 50k+

That's what I was expecting. A whole lot of "nope" from me.

Slurg

I thought this thread was to warn people about the sellers buying the basic 100g white patterns from the blacksmith, clothier and woodworking vendors and flipping them on guild stores for 1,000-5,000 gold each. According to the MM data they are successful.

Anyway the only problem I had was an add on interfering with retrieving patterns in my mail. I am not crafting on a low level character though.

Iarao

heaven13 wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

I think it is a bug

Was that recipe looted by a character with a higher level than the character in the picture shown?

IE if you looted it with a level 50 toon, but try to consume it on a level 44 toon, it does not work. This seems to be happening to some people.

That's odd, especially taking into consideration what @starkerealm said. Other than this, furniture crafting does appear to be a similar mechanic to provisioning, so one would think it would work the same.

Still, the answer would be no since Camilla is my highest level character who also happens to be my blacksmith, clothier, and woodworker so anything my other characters find that are considered those types of recipes get passed along to her.

EDIT: now that I think of it, I believe I purchased this particular pattern in my guild trader. So that very well COULD be the issue.

BlackSparrow wrote: »

Yep, it's a bug. Feel free to reply to this thread in the Bug Reports section to keep bumping it.

Thanks. I will indeed reply there.

never buy master crafting writs in the guild traders. they will change into something uncraftable. always buy those person to person. it is a bug.

Anhedonie

heaven13 wrote: »

All in all, this update is severely underwhelming and grindy

Half year without content between Homestead and Morrowind. Of course it's gonna be grindy.

Iarao

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

Oh, I thought you were about to warn people about overpriced diagrams and blueprints.

Saw some people trying to sell that stuff for 50k+

That's what I was expecting. A whole lot of "nope" from me.

if no one wants it at 50k, no one will buy it. it is a free market. obviously if someone pays the 50k, they dont consider it overpriced. now those who buy the 100g ones from the npcs and then put them up for sale for more are the thieves, imo. zos should make those purchases bop.

Slurg

Iarao wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

Oh, I thought you were about to warn people about overpriced diagrams and blueprints.

Saw some people trying to sell that stuff for 50k+

That's what I was expecting. A whole lot of "nope" from me.

if no one wants it at 50k, no one will buy it. it is a free market. obviously if someone pays the 50k, they dont consider it overpriced. now those who buy the 100g ones from the npcs and then put them up for sale for more are the thieves, imo. zos should make those purchases bop.

Yes those should definitely be BOP! People can say what they like about the prices of the patterns that drop in the world, and I feel bad for the low level crafters who can't learn secret level-dependent patterns, but folks are really getting ripped off by the npc vendor pattern resellers. I noticed the resellers on PC NA (one of who shares a name with a poster of one of the 'housing is bad' threads) are dropping their prices to 500g now from 1k+ so it looks like a deal if you have MM. That is just awful.

raidentenshu_ESO

BlackSparrow wrote: »

Yep, it's a bug. Feel free to reply to this thread in the Bug Reports section to keep bumping it.

Looks like the folks in the PTS failed to do their jobs as testers, and failed to report all of these bugs to ZOS prior to the actual release.

Sight. This is what happens when ZOS allows everyone to become the so-called tester for their new beta software.

Danikat

Iarao wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

I think it is a bug

Was that recipe looted by a character with a higher level than the character in the picture shown?

IE if you looted it with a level 50 toon, but try to consume it on a level 44 toon, it does not work. This seems to be happening to some people.

That's odd, especially taking into consideration what @starkerealm said. Other than this, furniture crafting does appear to be a similar mechanic to provisioning, so one would think it would work the same.

Still, the answer would be no since Camilla is my highest level character who also happens to be my blacksmith, clothier, and woodworker so anything my other characters find that are considered those types of recipes get passed along to her.

EDIT: now that I think of it, I believe I purchased this particular pattern in my guild trader. So that very well COULD be the issue.

BlackSparrow wrote: »

Yep, it's a bug. Feel free to reply to this thread in the Bug Reports section to keep bumping it.

Thanks. I will indeed reply there.

never buy master crafting writs in the guild traders. they will change into something uncraftable. always buy those person to person. it is a bug.

This has nothing to do with buying them from guild traders. I've had the same problem with patterns I found on one character on my account and passed through the bank to my crafter to learn.

It appears to happen when the character who picks up the pattern is a higher level than the character trying to learn it.

Danikat

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

BlackSparrow wrote: »

Yep, it's a bug. Feel free to reply to this thread in the Bug Reports section to keep bumping it.

Looks like the folks in the PTS failed to do their jobs as testers, and failed to report all of these bugs to ZOS prior to the actual release.

Sight. This is what happens when ZOS allows everyone to become the so-called tester for their new beta software.

As far as I know this bug didn't appear on the PTS. I admit I didn't spend a lot of time looking for them and I can't remember now which characters I found them on and which I learned them on, but I didn't see anyone mention it and it's not the kind of bug that provides a benefit to players so there's no incentive to keep it secret.

starkerealm

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

BlackSparrow wrote: »

Yep, it's a bug. Feel free to reply to this thread in the Bug Reports section to keep bumping it.

Looks like the folks in the PTS failed to do their jobs as testers, and failed to report all of these bugs to ZOS prior to the actual release.

Sight. This is what happens when ZOS allows everyone to become the so-called tester for their new beta software.

@raidentenshu_ESO, to be fair, if you actually look at the PTS forums, you'll find a mountain of bug reports from this (though, maybe not this exact one), most of which haven't been fixed. I can't imagine why someone would fail to report a bug on the PTS when the report is just going to get ignored anyway.

TequilaFire

Along with the bugs it would pay to wait as prices on the traders are ridiculous right now.

Rosveen

Danikat wrote: »

Iarao wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

I think it is a bug

Was that recipe looted by a character with a higher level than the character in the picture shown?

IE if you looted it with a level 50 toon, but try to consume it on a level 44 toon, it does not work. This seems to be happening to some people.

That's odd, especially taking into consideration what @starkerealm said. Other than this, furniture crafting does appear to be a similar mechanic to provisioning, so one would think it would work the same.

Still, the answer would be no since Camilla is my highest level character who also happens to be my blacksmith, clothier, and woodworker so anything my other characters find that are considered those types of recipes get passed along to her.

EDIT: now that I think of it, I believe I purchased this particular pattern in my guild trader. So that very well COULD be the issue.

BlackSparrow wrote: »

Yep, it's a bug. Feel free to reply to this thread in the Bug Reports section to keep bumping it.

Thanks. I will indeed reply there.

never buy master crafting writs in the guild traders. they will change into something uncraftable. always buy those person to person. it is a bug.

This has nothing to do with buying them from guild traders. I've had the same problem with patterns I found on one character on my account and passed through the bank to my crafter to learn.

It appears to happen when the character who picks up the pattern is a higher level than the character trying to learn it.

He's talking about a different bug. Some equipment writs change their requested set into uncraftable Deadly Strike after going through the guild store.

JWKe

Thank you.

Duiwel

You might want to change the title of the post OP as the fact that you need 6 levels to be able to craft them has nothing to do with buying or selling on the market...

I knew about this bug the first night already as my main crafter (one of my oldest chars) is still not 50, he's at 42 simply because I never bothered playing a character with NO skills. I have a ton of recipes on him atm because he can't learn 80% of what I find, I have now actually resorted to leveling him, so think of it this way.

They are subtly encouraging people to max out their chars. I do not see this bug as a negative aspect and think it should stay for this very reason. It will encourage us to max out chars we might not otherwise have.

Iron_Butterfly

It's a bug. I lvl'd my lvl 48 char to 50 and she was then able to use the recipes found by my champ.

But yes you're right - it totally stuffs up buying any recipes from the AH for those who have the bug.

kyle.wilson

Iarao wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

Oh, I thought you were about to warn people about overpriced diagrams and blueprints.

Saw some people trying to sell that stuff for 50k+

That's what I was expecting. A whole lot of "nope" from me.

if no one wants it at 50k, no one will buy it. it is a free market. obviously if someone pays the 50k, they dont consider it overpriced. now those who buy the 100g ones from the npcs and then put them up for sale for more are the thieves, imo. zos should make those purchases bop.

While, I have not done that, anyone who buys those from a guild trader is terminally lazy and deserves the ripoff.
I have sold a purple crate design for 50k. I laughed for a few minutes over that one. A box is worth more to someone than a house.

heaven13

The goal was to warn people that buying plans from people where you can't see the level may result in ending up with recipes you can't use, especially for lower crafters.

And yes, I see that as a bug. If there's not a level on it to indicate level requirements, then I doubt it's an intended feature.

Additionally, according to the patch notes and that this should now be fixed seems to confirm that it was definitely a bug.