How will ZOS explain this one?

maboleth

MythicEmperor wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

The following is taken directly from the USEP

"3E 414 — Vvardenfell is opened for settlement: Previously a preserve administrated by the Tribunal Temple since the Treaty of the Armistice, Vvardenfell was largely uninhabited and undeveloped. Vvardenfell is reorganized as an Imperial Provincial District after King Llethan of Morrowind revokes the centuries-old Temple ban on trade and settlement. A flood of Imperial colonists and the Great Houses came to Vvardenfell."

Whelp, the IC is facing the wrong way, books from later eras are readable, towns are around that shouldn't be... I could go on. Not to mention that Seyda Neen looks all Imperial when the Empire won't occupy Vvardenfell in a while, so I have pretty much given up on ESO being lore friendly.

Actually the only thing they did to IC was shifting the whole circle town few degrees clockwise, while keeping the intersections intact. The reason for that was to make districts more consistent and not cut in half, thus easier to navigate and play. Sometimes you have to sacrifice tiny bit of lore (IC still has all districts in the correct order, as well as Arcane university & Waterfront on the map) to functionality.

Danikat

opaj wrote: »

Bolding for emphasis:

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

The following is taken directly from the USEP

"3E 414 — Vvardenfell is opened for settlement: Previously a preserve administrated by the Tribunal Temple since the Treaty of the Armistice, Vvardenfell was largely uninhabited and undeveloped. Vvardenfell is reorganized as an Imperial Provincial District after King Llethan of Morrowind revokes the centuries-old Temple ban on trade and settlement. A flood of Imperial colonists and the Great Houses came to Vvardenfell."

Also from the UESP:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Armistice
"The Armistice, also known as The Treaty of the Armistice, was signed sometime in the final years of the Second Era."

Vvardenfell isn't a preserve yet. Presumably the island is abandoned to become "largely uninhabited and undeveloped" due to some event between now and the next 700-800 years. Can someone say wakey wakey, Mr. Sharmat?

On a related note does anyone know exactly how many centuries old this "centuries old ban on trade and settlement" is?

Maybe what happens is that towards the later part of the 2nd Era they're letting anyone and everyone into Vvardenfell and all those n'wah running around make such a mess of the place the Tribunal lose their collective temper and ban everyone except their followers for 700 years.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

opaj wrote: »

Bolding for emphasis:

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

The following is taken directly from the USEP

"3E 414 — Vvardenfell is opened for settlement: Previously a preserve administrated by the Tribunal Temple since the Treaty of the Armistice, Vvardenfell was largely uninhabited and undeveloped. Vvardenfell is reorganized as an Imperial Provincial District after King Llethan of Morrowind revokes the centuries-old Temple ban on trade and settlement. A flood of Imperial colonists and the Great Houses came to Vvardenfell."

Also from the UESP:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Armistice
"The Armistice, also known as The Treaty of the Armistice, was signed sometime in the final years of the Second Era."

Vvardenfell isn't a preserve yet. Presumably the island is abandoned to become "largely uninhabited and undeveloped" due to some event between now and the next 700-800 years. Can someone say wakey wakey, Mr. Sharmat?

Im pretty sure that is a new entry to the USEP but this other one I mentioned has been there for years.

Sigtric

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

opaj wrote: »

Bolding for emphasis:

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

The following is taken directly from the USEP

"3E 414 — Vvardenfell is opened for settlement: Previously a preserve administrated by the Tribunal Temple since the Treaty of the Armistice, Vvardenfell was largely uninhabited and undeveloped. Vvardenfell is reorganized as an Imperial Provincial District after King Llethan of Morrowind revokes the centuries-old Temple ban on trade and settlement. A flood of Imperial colonists and the Great Houses came to Vvardenfell."

Also from the UESP:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Armistice
"The Armistice, also known as The Treaty of the Armistice, was signed sometime in the final years of the Second Era."

Vvardenfell isn't a preserve yet. Presumably the island is abandoned to become "largely uninhabited and undeveloped" due to some event between now and the next 700-800 years. Can someone say wakey wakey, Mr. Sharmat?

Im pretty sure that is a new entry to the USEP but this other one I mentioned has been there for years.

Armistice page: This page was last modified on 28 March 2015, at 15:38.
First created 16 May 2008

PlantersLogi

This is all so fascinating to read lol!

UrQuan

Sigtric wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

opaj wrote: »

Bolding for emphasis:

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

The following is taken directly from the USEP

"3E 414 — Vvardenfell is opened for settlement: Previously a preserve administrated by the Tribunal Temple since the Treaty of the Armistice, Vvardenfell was largely uninhabited and undeveloped. Vvardenfell is reorganized as an Imperial Provincial District after King Llethan of Morrowind revokes the centuries-old Temple ban on trade and settlement. A flood of Imperial colonists and the Great Houses came to Vvardenfell."

Also from the UESP:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Armistice
"The Armistice, also known as The Treaty of the Armistice, was signed sometime in the final years of the Second Era."

Vvardenfell isn't a preserve yet. Presumably the island is abandoned to become "largely uninhabited and undeveloped" due to some event between now and the next 700-800 years. Can someone say wakey wakey, Mr. Sharmat?

Im pretty sure that is a new entry to the USEP but this other one I mentioned has been there for years.

Armistice page: This page was last modified on 28 March 2015, at 15:38.
First created 16 May 2008

And of course, the beauty of a wiki is that you can see exactly what changes were made to a page when. The earliest version of the page (from 2008) places the Armistice in 2e 896 - long after the time period of ESO. A more recent version revised that to be less definite, allowing for the possibility that it may have occurred slightly earlier rather than exactly in the last year of the 2nd era. Either way, the lore from prior to ESO being published has the Armistice that made Vvardenfell a temple preserve occurring centuries after the time period of ESO.

I would still expect it to be highly unlikely that Vvardenfell should be heavily populated in this time period, mind you, unless there was some event between ESO and Armistice that caused a significant emigration.

opaj

@UrQuan I know we've had this talk before, but I think it actually makes a lot of sense for there to be a major migration around, say, 2E 882 or so. Even though Dagoth Ur isn't public knowledge, the creation of the Ghostfence in and of itself provides the set piece for any orders-from-on-high to vacate the island. The living gods are up to something, and they only want the worthy to be there for it -- especially after they join the empire a short while later.

UrQuan

opaj wrote: »

@UrQuan I know we've had this talk before, but I think it actually makes a lot of sense for there to be a major migration around, say, 2E 882 or so. Even though Dagoth Ur isn't public knowledge, the creation of the Ghostfence in and of itself provides the set piece for any orders-from-on-high to vacate the island. The living gods are up to something, and they only want the worthy to be there for it -- especially after they join the empire a short while later.

Yeah, and to be honest I'm starting to come around to think that something like that could happen. I still think it makes more sense for Vvardenfell to be only lightly populated prior to becoming a temple preserve, as an enforced migration isn't exactly an easy to thing to make happen (even for the Tribunal), but with the proper natural disaster or imminent threat looming over the population it's more feasible.

So you could be right.

TheShadowScout

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

The following is taken directly from the USEP

"3E 414 — Vvardenfell is opened for settlement: Previously a preserve administrated by the Tribunal Temple since the Treaty of the Armistice, Vvardenfell was largely uninhabited and undeveloped. Vvardenfell is reorganized as an Imperial Provincial District after King Llethan of Morrowind revokes the centuries-old Temple ban on trade and settlement. A flood of Imperial colonists and the Great Houses came to Vvardenfell."

Looking at http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Armistice I see:

The Treaty of the Armistice, was signed sometime in the final years of the Second Era...
...
Following the Armistice, the island of Vvardenfell became a Temple preserve with some small settlements maintained by the Great Houses as well as scattered Ashlander tribes. However, the island was not opened to large-scale settlement by civilians or exploitation by the East Empire Company until 3E 416.

So, the armistice only banned new settlement by imperials when Morrowind became a part of the new Empire, it did nothing to the ashlanders and house settlements already there. Which may have been viewed as "undeveloped" by imperial scholars... likely because the redoran lives in crab shells, and the telvanni in strange plant-y towers or maybe just because scholars are a bit arrogant...

...but it would be naive to assume Vvardenfell was truly "uninhabited and undeveloped", when we -know- that it has been settled by dwemer and dunmer along time ago, until they had a big battle... the battle of red mountain, you may have heard of it... and then the tribunal had their own reasons for not wanting anyone to go visit the site of that battle... and eventually got another reasonwhen dagoth ur awoke shortly before the end of the second era.

So while i expect red mountain to be off limits, there certainly would be numerous house settlements on the coast, and ashlanders living in the, well, ashlands.

SaRuZ

Consider this, History is written by the victor. Meaning even our own history could be distorted or one-sided. Were you there? No? Then we don't really know if Atilla the Hun was all that bad...Same goes for Tamriel. History written in books and history being lived could easily be different to the point where some of it is poetic and mythological, The Odyssey yo.

Kova

I'm surprised no one even mentioned this being a dragonbreak.

Ghostextechnica

Kova wrote: »

I'm surprised no one even mentioned this being a dragonbreak.

I honestly just came here to post about a dragon break. How is there not a ready-made meme available for that?

DeusExMachina

JD2013 wrote: »

*Squints eyes menacingly*
You can never trust one of those shfity black mages...... Especially ViVi.
He knows what he did.

Faulgor

MythicEmperor wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

The following is taken directly from the USEP

"3E 414 — Vvardenfell is opened for settlement: Previously a preserve administrated by the Tribunal Temple since the Treaty of the Armistice, Vvardenfell was largely uninhabited and undeveloped. Vvardenfell is reorganized as an Imperial Provincial District after King Llethan of Morrowind revokes the centuries-old Temple ban on trade and settlement. A flood of Imperial colonists and the Great Houses came to Vvardenfell."

Whelp, the IC is facing the wrong way, books from later eras are readable, towns are around that shouldn't be... I could go on. Not to mention that Seyda Neen looks all Imperial when the Empire won't occupy Vvardenfell in a while, so I have pretty much given up on ESO being lore friendly.

Hi! As you'll see, Ald'ruhn and Vivec City are in planning stages or under construction, and there's nothing where Pelagiad or Caldera will be later, but players are so attached to Seyda Neen, we felt we needed to give it to them. Our justification is that it was built by the Gold Coast Trading Company, who have a trade deal with the Hlaalu, thus the architecture's Cyrodilic influence.
- Lawrence Schick

Palindiil

"In 3E 414, Vvardenfell Territory, previously a Temple preserve under Imperial protection, was reorganized as an Imperial Provincial District. Vvardenfell had been maintained as a preserve administrated by the Temple since the Treaty of the Armistice, and except for a few Great House settlements sanctioned by the Temple, Vvardenfell was previously uninhabited and undeveloped. But when the centuries-old Temple ban on trade and settlement of Vvardenfell was revoked by King of Morrowind, a flood of Imperial colonists and Great House Dunmer came to Vvardenfell, expanding old settlements and building new ones."

Jeanette Sitte, 'A Short History of Morrowind'

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:A_Short_History_of_Morrowind

Enodoc

Ghostextechnica wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

I'm surprised no one even mentioned this being a dragonbreak.

I honestly just came here to post about a dragon break. How is there not a ready-made meme available for that?

I was enjoying the fact that the thread had survived without anybody going for the scapegoat reason. Ah well, the fanbase never fails to disappoint

Now take your dragonbreak excuses and GET OUT



Back to topic:

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

The following is taken directly from the USEP

"3E 414 — Vvardenfell is opened for settlement: Previously a preserve administrated by the Tribunal Temple since the Treaty of the Armistice, Vvardenfell was largely uninhabited and undeveloped. Vvardenfell is reorganized as an Imperial Provincial District after King Llethan of Morrowind revokes the centuries-old Temple ban on trade and settlement. A flood of Imperial colonists and the Great Houses came to Vvardenfell."

As mentioned already, ESO takes place before the Treaty of the Armistice, so the Temple Preserve status and the ban on trade and settlement are not yet in force. It also says largely uninhabited, not completely uninhabited.

There are a number of pre-ESO sources saying that Balmora, Suran, Gnisis, Tel Aruhn, Tel Mora, and Ald Redaynia exist, so ESO hasn't retconned any of those. It is logical to suppose that if Gnisis already exists, so does Ald'ruhn, and there's no real reason to suppose thererfore that Sadrith Mora doesn't already exist too.

Places that we definitely shouldn't see are the Legion Forts at Hawkmoth, Buckmoth, Moonmoth, Firemoth, and Wolverine Hall, or Pelagiad, Caldera, Ghostgate, Indarys Manor, Rethan Manor, and Tel Uvirith.

Places that are unknown (read - not enough lore, so they may or may not exist, but probably shouldn't to keep the largely uninhabited vibe) include Maar Gan, Khuul, Ald Velothi, Dagon Fel, Gnaar Mok and Hla Oad.

Silver_Strider

CHIM cures all things.

MythicEmperor

SaRuZ wrote: »

Consider this, History is written by the victor. Meaning even our own history could be distorted or one-sided. Were you there? No? Then we don't really know if Atilla the Hun was all that bad...Same goes for Tamriel. History written in books and history being lived could easily be different to the point where some of it is poetic and mythological, The Odyssey yo.

Yeah, I'm sure old Adolf wasn't all that bad, it was just those nasty victors that wrote him that way.

MythicEmperor

Enodoc wrote: »

Ghostextechnica wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

I'm surprised no one even mentioned this being a dragonbreak.

I honestly just came here to post about a dragon break. How is there not a ready-made meme available for that?

I was enjoying the fact that the thread had survived without anybody going for the scapegoat reason. Ah well, the fanbase never fails to disappoint

Now take your dragonbreak excuses and GET OUT



Back to topic:

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

The following is taken directly from the USEP

"3E 414 — Vvardenfell is opened for settlement: Previously a preserve administrated by the Tribunal Temple since the Treaty of the Armistice, Vvardenfell was largely uninhabited and undeveloped. Vvardenfell is reorganized as an Imperial Provincial District after King Llethan of Morrowind revokes the centuries-old Temple ban on trade and settlement. A flood of Imperial colonists and the Great Houses came to Vvardenfell."

As mentioned already, ESO takes place before the Treaty of the Armistice, so the Temple Preserve status and the ban on trade and settlement are not yet in force. It also says largely uninhabited, not completely uninhabited.

There are a number of pre-ESO sources saying that Balmora, Suran, Gnisis, Tel Aruhn, Tel Mora, and Ald Redaynia exist, so ESO hasn't retconned any of those. It is logical to suppose that if Gnisis already exists, so does Ald'ruhn, and there's no real reason to suppose thererfore that Sadrith Mora doesn't already exist too.

Places that we definitely shouldn't see are the Legion Forts at Hawkmoth, Buckmoth, Moonmoth, Firemoth, and Wolverine Hall, or Pelagiad, Caldera, Ghostgate, Indarys Manor, Rethan Manor, and Tel Uvirith.

Places that are unknown (read - not enough lore, so they may or may not exist, but probably shouldn't to keep the largely uninhabited vibe) include Maar Gan, Khuul, Ald Velothi, Dagon Fel, Gnaar Mok and Hla Oad.

I hope we get a Telvanni tower house similar to Tel Uvirith at least

Enodoc

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Ghostextechnica wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

I'm surprised no one even mentioned this being a dragonbreak.

I honestly just came here to post about a dragon break. How is there not a ready-made meme available for that?

I was enjoying the fact that the thread had survived without anybody going for the scapegoat reason. Ah well, the fanbase never fails to disappoint

Now take your dragonbreak excuses and GET OUT



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TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

The following is taken directly from the USEP

"3E 414 — Vvardenfell is opened for settlement: Previously a preserve administrated by the Tribunal Temple since the Treaty of the Armistice, Vvardenfell was largely uninhabited and undeveloped. Vvardenfell is reorganized as an Imperial Provincial District after King Llethan of Morrowind revokes the centuries-old Temple ban on trade and settlement. A flood of Imperial colonists and the Great Houses came to Vvardenfell."

As mentioned already, ESO takes place before the Treaty of the Armistice, so the Temple Preserve status and the ban on trade and settlement are not yet in force. It also says largely uninhabited, not completely uninhabited.

There are a number of pre-ESO sources saying that Balmora, Suran, Gnisis, Tel Aruhn, Tel Mora, and Ald Redaynia exist, so ESO hasn't retconned any of those. It is logical to suppose that if Gnisis already exists, so does Ald'ruhn, and there's no real reason to suppose thererfore that Sadrith Mora doesn't already exist too.

Places that we definitely shouldn't see are the Legion Forts at Hawkmoth, Buckmoth, Moonmoth, Firemoth, and Wolverine Hall, or Pelagiad, Caldera, Ghostgate, Indarys Manor, Rethan Manor, and Tel Uvirith.

Places that are unknown (read - not enough lore, so they may or may not exist, but probably shouldn't to keep the largely uninhabited vibe) include Maar Gan, Khuul, Ald Velothi, Dagon Fel, Gnaar Mok and Hla Oad.

I hope we get a Telvanni tower house similar to Tel Uvirith at least

Sadrith Mora is probably full of them, so we could potentially get one of those.

DMuehlhausen

geonsocal wrote: »

it's just lore...meaning someone somewhere made all this stuff up...and, when the purpose suits them - they'll simply make up new stuff/lore...

which brings us back on fighting and flying on dragon mounts - make some new stuff/lore and get to coding...we/me want dragons (not ugly molag bal rippoff's/titans)...

I've found the vast majority of people that play don't want dragons/flying mounts. Flying mounts were one of the things that started the downfall for many in WoW. People just fly to the quest area, drop in, get their stuff, and leave.

UrQuan

Faulgor wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

The following is taken directly from the USEP

"3E 414 — Vvardenfell is opened for settlement: Previously a preserve administrated by the Tribunal Temple since the Treaty of the Armistice, Vvardenfell was largely uninhabited and undeveloped. Vvardenfell is reorganized as an Imperial Provincial District after King Llethan of Morrowind revokes the centuries-old Temple ban on trade and settlement. A flood of Imperial colonists and the Great Houses came to Vvardenfell."

Whelp, the IC is facing the wrong way, books from later eras are readable, towns are around that shouldn't be... I could go on. Not to mention that Seyda Neen looks all Imperial when the Empire won't occupy Vvardenfell in a while, so I have pretty much given up on ESO being lore friendly.

Hi! As you'll see, Ald'ruhn and Vivec City are in planning stages or under construction, and there's nothing where Pelagiad or Caldera will be later, but players are so attached to Seyda Neen, we felt we needed to give it to them. Our justification is that it was built by the Gold Coast Trading Company, who have a trade deal with the Hlaalu, thus the architecture's Cyrodilic influence.
- Lawrence Schick

Oh, thanks for finding that for those of us who don't reddit!

Faulgor

Enodoc wrote: »

Ghostextechnica wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

I'm surprised no one even mentioned this being a dragonbreak.

I honestly just came here to post about a dragon break. How is there not a ready-made meme available for that?

I was enjoying the fact that the thread had survived without anybody going for the scapegoat reason. Ah well, the fanbase never fails to disappoint

Now take your dragonbreak excuses and GET OUT



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TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

The following is taken directly from the USEP

"3E 414 — Vvardenfell is opened for settlement: Previously a preserve administrated by the Tribunal Temple since the Treaty of the Armistice, Vvardenfell was largely uninhabited and undeveloped. Vvardenfell is reorganized as an Imperial Provincial District after King Llethan of Morrowind revokes the centuries-old Temple ban on trade and settlement. A flood of Imperial colonists and the Great Houses came to Vvardenfell."

As mentioned already, ESO takes place before the Treaty of the Armistice, so the Temple Preserve status and the ban on trade and settlement are not yet in force. It also says largely uninhabited, not completely uninhabited.

There are a number of pre-ESO sources saying that Balmora, Suran, Gnisis, Tel Aruhn, Tel Mora, and Ald Redaynia exist, so ESO hasn't retconned any of those. It is logical to suppose that if Gnisis already exists, so does Ald'ruhn, and there's no real reason to suppose thererfore that Sadrith Mora doesn't already exist too.

Places that we definitely shouldn't see are the Legion Forts at Hawkmoth, Buckmoth, Moonmoth, Firemoth, and Wolverine Hall, or Pelagiad, Caldera, Ghostgate, Indarys Manor, Rethan Manor, and Tel Uvirith.

Places that are unknown (read - not enough lore, so they may or may not exist, but probably shouldn't to keep the largely uninhabited vibe) include Maar Gan, Khuul, Ald Velothi, Dagon Fel, Gnaar Mok and Hla Oad.

Well, there's a building where Rethan Manor will be one day.
And for whatever reason, Firemoth made it in.
Khuul, Ald Velothi, and Gnaar Mok seem to be present.
Hla Oad is just a building but I guess it's ... there. Didn't even bother to mark it, though.
Maar Gan seemingly won't be included, as the whole Ashlands north of Ald'ruhn are missing.
So is (apparently) the Sheogorad region including Dagon Fel.




But obviously, take datamined stuff always with a grain of salt.

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Enodoc

Faulgor wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Ghostextechnica wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

I'm surprised no one even mentioned this being a dragonbreak.

I honestly just came here to post about a dragon break. How is there not a ready-made meme available for that?

I was enjoying the fact that the thread had survived without anybody going for the scapegoat reason. Ah well, the fanbase never fails to disappoint

Now take your dragonbreak excuses and GET OUT



Back to topic:

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

The following is taken directly from the USEP

"3E 414 — Vvardenfell is opened for settlement: Previously a preserve administrated by the Tribunal Temple since the Treaty of the Armistice, Vvardenfell was largely uninhabited and undeveloped. Vvardenfell is reorganized as an Imperial Provincial District after King Llethan of Morrowind revokes the centuries-old Temple ban on trade and settlement. A flood of Imperial colonists and the Great Houses came to Vvardenfell."

As mentioned already, ESO takes place before the Treaty of the Armistice, so the Temple Preserve status and the ban on trade and settlement are not yet in force. It also says largely uninhabited, not completely uninhabited.

There are a number of pre-ESO sources saying that Balmora, Suran, Gnisis, Tel Aruhn, Tel Mora, and Ald Redaynia exist, so ESO hasn't retconned any of those. It is logical to suppose that if Gnisis already exists, so does Ald'ruhn, and there's no real reason to suppose thererfore that Sadrith Mora doesn't already exist too.

Places that we definitely shouldn't see are the Legion Forts at Hawkmoth, Buckmoth, Moonmoth, Firemoth, and Wolverine Hall, or Pelagiad, Caldera, Ghostgate, Indarys Manor, Rethan Manor, and Tel Uvirith.

Places that are unknown (read - not enough lore, so they may or may not exist, but probably shouldn't to keep the largely uninhabited vibe) include Maar Gan, Khuul, Ald Velothi, Dagon Fel, Gnaar Mok and Hla Oad.

Well, there's a building where Rethan Manor will be one day.
And for whatever reason, Firemoth made it in.
Khuul, Ald Velothi, and Gnaar Mok seem to be present.
Hla Oad is just a building but I guess it's ... there. Didn't even bother to mark it, though.
Maar Gan seemingly won't be included, as the whole Ashlands north of Ald'ruhn are missing.
So is (apparently) the Sheogorad region including Dagon Fel.



But obviously, take datamined stuff always with a grain of salt.

Hmm, seems they went a bit overboard. Where did that labelled map come from? I've only seen the raw one. Doesn't look like there's a fort at Firemoth, just the island. If they can explain why a Dunmeri island has an Imperial name that's probably okay. As for Khuul and Gnaar Mok... hmmm....

Faulgor

Enodoc wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Ghostextechnica wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

I'm surprised no one even mentioned this being a dragonbreak.

I honestly just came here to post about a dragon break. How is there not a ready-made meme available for that?

I was enjoying the fact that the thread had survived without anybody going for the scapegoat reason. Ah well, the fanbase never fails to disappoint

Now take your dragonbreak excuses and GET OUT



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TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

The following is taken directly from the USEP

"3E 414 — Vvardenfell is opened for settlement: Previously a preserve administrated by the Tribunal Temple since the Treaty of the Armistice, Vvardenfell was largely uninhabited and undeveloped. Vvardenfell is reorganized as an Imperial Provincial District after King Llethan of Morrowind revokes the centuries-old Temple ban on trade and settlement. A flood of Imperial colonists and the Great Houses came to Vvardenfell."

As mentioned already, ESO takes place before the Treaty of the Armistice, so the Temple Preserve status and the ban on trade and settlement are not yet in force. It also says largely uninhabited, not completely uninhabited.

There are a number of pre-ESO sources saying that Balmora, Suran, Gnisis, Tel Aruhn, Tel Mora, and Ald Redaynia exist, so ESO hasn't retconned any of those. It is logical to suppose that if Gnisis already exists, so does Ald'ruhn, and there's no real reason to suppose thererfore that Sadrith Mora doesn't already exist too.

Places that we definitely shouldn't see are the Legion Forts at Hawkmoth, Buckmoth, Moonmoth, Firemoth, and Wolverine Hall, or Pelagiad, Caldera, Ghostgate, Indarys Manor, Rethan Manor, and Tel Uvirith.

Places that are unknown (read - not enough lore, so they may or may not exist, but probably shouldn't to keep the largely uninhabited vibe) include Maar Gan, Khuul, Ald Velothi, Dagon Fel, Gnaar Mok and Hla Oad.

Well, there's a building where Rethan Manor will be one day.
And for whatever reason, Firemoth made it in.
Khuul, Ald Velothi, and Gnaar Mok seem to be present.
Hla Oad is just a building but I guess it's ... there. Didn't even bother to mark it, though.
Maar Gan seemingly won't be included, as the whole Ashlands north of Ald'ruhn are missing.
So is (apparently) the Sheogorad region including Dagon Fel.



But obviously, take datamined stuff always with a grain of salt.

Hmm, seems they went a bit overboard. Where did that labelled map come from? I've only seen the raw one. Doesn't look like there's a fort at Firemoth, just the island. If they can explain why a Dunmeri island has an Imperial name that's probably okay. As for Khuul and Gnaar Mok... hmmm....

I labeled them, based on visible structures and datamined locations (such as delves and public dungeons).
Firemoth was actually datamined, otherwise I wouldn't have placed it there. That the island is already there is not surprising, but the name ...

Enodoc

Faulgor wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Ghostextechnica wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

I'm surprised no one even mentioned this being a dragonbreak.

I honestly just came here to post about a dragon break. How is there not a ready-made meme available for that?

I was enjoying the fact that the thread had survived without anybody going for the scapegoat reason. Ah well, the fanbase never fails to disappoint

Now take your dragonbreak excuses and GET OUT



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TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

The following is taken directly from the USEP

"3E 414 — Vvardenfell is opened for settlement: Previously a preserve administrated by the Tribunal Temple since the Treaty of the Armistice, Vvardenfell was largely uninhabited and undeveloped. Vvardenfell is reorganized as an Imperial Provincial District after King Llethan of Morrowind revokes the centuries-old Temple ban on trade and settlement. A flood of Imperial colonists and the Great Houses came to Vvardenfell."

As mentioned already, ESO takes place before the Treaty of the Armistice, so the Temple Preserve status and the ban on trade and settlement are not yet in force. It also says largely uninhabited, not completely uninhabited.

There are a number of pre-ESO sources saying that Balmora, Suran, Gnisis, Tel Aruhn, Tel Mora, and Ald Redaynia exist, so ESO hasn't retconned any of those. It is logical to suppose that if Gnisis already exists, so does Ald'ruhn, and there's no real reason to suppose thererfore that Sadrith Mora doesn't already exist too.

Places that we definitely shouldn't see are the Legion Forts at Hawkmoth, Buckmoth, Moonmoth, Firemoth, and Wolverine Hall, or Pelagiad, Caldera, Ghostgate, Indarys Manor, Rethan Manor, and Tel Uvirith.

Places that are unknown (read - not enough lore, so they may or may not exist, but probably shouldn't to keep the largely uninhabited vibe) include Maar Gan, Khuul, Ald Velothi, Dagon Fel, Gnaar Mok and Hla Oad.

Well, there's a building where Rethan Manor will be one day.
And for whatever reason, Firemoth made it in.
Khuul, Ald Velothi, and Gnaar Mok seem to be present.
Hla Oad is just a building but I guess it's ... there. Didn't even bother to mark it, though.
Maar Gan seemingly won't be included, as the whole Ashlands north of Ald'ruhn are missing.
So is (apparently) the Sheogorad region including Dagon Fel.



But obviously, take datamined stuff always with a grain of salt.

Hmm, seems they went a bit overboard. Where did that labelled map come from? I've only seen the raw one. Doesn't look like there's a fort at Firemoth, just the island. If they can explain why a Dunmeri island has an Imperial name that's probably okay. As for Khuul and Gnaar Mok... hmmm....

I labeled them, based on visible structures and datamined locations (such as delves and public dungeons).
Firemoth was actually datamined, otherwise I wouldn't have placed it there. That the island is already there is not surprising, but the name ...

Do Khuul and Gnaar Mok maybe look bigger than they did in TES3? Perhaps the retcon here is that they were abandoned under the Armistice Treaty and only got resettled after 3E 414.