How will ZOS explain this one?

TX12001rwb17_ESO

The following is taken directly from the USEP

"3E 414 — Vvardenfell is opened for settlement: Previously a preserve administrated by the Tribunal Temple since the Treaty of the Armistice, Vvardenfell was largely uninhabited and undeveloped. Vvardenfell is reorganized as an Imperial Provincial District after King Llethan of Morrowind revokes the centuries-old Temple ban on trade and settlement. A flood of Imperial colonists and the Great Houses came to Vvardenfell."

SaRuZ

The same way Daggerfall Covenant Forces attack me, the Hero of Daggerfall, when I visit Eastmarch?

Also, the major houses were originally tribes and clans before becoming major political parties per se.

Vvardenfell in ESO will not have any Imperial forts or even an Imperial population at all.

Also, remember YOU are the Vestige, aka the Souless One. Yet it's an MMO so we are ALL the Vestige.

So in Morrowind we will all probably be something else. Just 100's of them.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

SaRuZ wrote: »

The same way Daggerfall Covenant Forces attack me, the Hero of Daggerfall, when I visit Eastmarch?

In other words they wont.

Rohamad_Ali

The way they J.J. Abrams all loopholes around here ... Spinners .

MythicEmperor

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

The following is taken directly from the USEP

"3E 414 — Vvardenfell is opened for settlement: Previously a preserve administrated by the Tribunal Temple since the Treaty of the Armistice, Vvardenfell was largely uninhabited and undeveloped. Vvardenfell is reorganized as an Imperial Provincial District after King Llethan of Morrowind revokes the centuries-old Temple ban on trade and settlement. A flood of Imperial colonists and the Great Houses came to Vvardenfell."

Whelp, the IC is facing the wrong way, books from later eras are readable, towns are around that shouldn't be... I could go on. Not to mention that Seyda Neen looks all Imperial when the Empire won't occupy Vvardenfell in a while, so I have pretty much given up on ESO being lore friendly.

SirIronclad

Black market for housing?

TX12001rwb17_ESO

MythicEmperor wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

The following is taken directly from the USEP

"3E 414 — Vvardenfell is opened for settlement: Previously a preserve administrated by the Tribunal Temple since the Treaty of the Armistice, Vvardenfell was largely uninhabited and undeveloped. Vvardenfell is reorganized as an Imperial Provincial District after King Llethan of Morrowind revokes the centuries-old Temple ban on trade and settlement. A flood of Imperial colonists and the Great Houses came to Vvardenfell."

Whelp, the IC is facing the wrong way, books from later eras are readable, towns are around that shouldn't be... I could go on. Not to mention that Seyda Neen looks all Imperial when the Empire won't occupy Vvardenfell in a while, so I have pretty much given up on ESO being lore friendly.

You forgot to mention that Black-Briar Mead exists and Cropsford exists despite having been founded by the Champion of Cyrodiil.

Mashille

Some Magic Sh**.

MythicEmperor

SaRuZ wrote: »

The same way Daggerfall Covenant Forces attack me, the Hero of Daggerfall, when I visit Eastmarch?

Also, the major houses were originally tribes and clans before becoming major political parties per se.

Vvardenfell in ESO will not have any Imperial forts or even an Imperial population at all.

Also, remember YOU are the Vestige, aka the Souless One. Yet it's an MMO so we are ALL the Vestige.

So in Morrowind we will all probably be something else. Just 100's of them.

Balamoor

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

The following is taken directly from the USEP

"3E 414 — Vvardenfell is opened for settlement: Previously a preserve administrated by the Tribunal Temple since the Treaty of the Armistice, Vvardenfell was largely uninhabited and undeveloped. Vvardenfell is reorganized as an Imperial Provincial District after King Llethan of Morrowind revokes the centuries-old Temple ban on trade and settlement. A flood of Imperial colonists and the Great Houses came to Vvardenfell."

You can creatively write yourself out of any corner or you can pull a George Lucas.

"Your'e my brother? yeah make sense lets just skip the Tonsil hockey back on Hoth. "

MythicEmperor

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

The following is taken directly from the USEP

"3E 414 — Vvardenfell is opened for settlement: Previously a preserve administrated by the Tribunal Temple since the Treaty of the Armistice, Vvardenfell was largely uninhabited and undeveloped. Vvardenfell is reorganized as an Imperial Provincial District after King Llethan of Morrowind revokes the centuries-old Temple ban on trade and settlement. A flood of Imperial colonists and the Great Houses came to Vvardenfell."

Whelp, the IC is facing the wrong way, books from later eras are readable, towns are around that shouldn't be... I could go on. Not to mention that Seyda Neen looks all Imperial when the Empire won't occupy Vvardenfell in a while, so I have pretty much given up on ESO being lore friendly.

You forgot to mention that Black-Briar Mead exists and Cropsford exists despite having been founded by the Champion of Cyrodiil.

I was referring to Cropsford when I said

"MythicEmperor wrote: »

towns are around that shouldn't be...

alephthiago

SaRuZ wrote: »

Also, remember YOU are the Vestige, aka the Souless One. Yet it's an MMO so we are ALL the Vestige.

So in Morrowind we will all probably be something else. Just 100's of them.

Wait, are you vestiges too?

TX12001rwb17_ESO

MythicEmperor wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

The following is taken directly from the USEP

"3E 414 — Vvardenfell is opened for settlement: Previously a preserve administrated by the Tribunal Temple since the Treaty of the Armistice, Vvardenfell was largely uninhabited and undeveloped. Vvardenfell is reorganized as an Imperial Provincial District after King Llethan of Morrowind revokes the centuries-old Temple ban on trade and settlement. A flood of Imperial colonists and the Great Houses came to Vvardenfell."

Whelp, the IC is facing the wrong way, books from later eras are readable, towns are around that shouldn't be... I could go on. Not to mention that Seyda Neen looks all Imperial when the Empire won't occupy Vvardenfell in a while, so I have pretty much given up on ESO being lore friendly.

You forgot to mention that Black-Briar Mead exists and Cropsford exists despite having been founded by the Champion of Cyrodiil.

I was referring to Cropsford when I said

"MythicEmperor wrote: »

towns are around that shouldn't be...

My mistake

geonsocal

it's just lore...meaning someone somewhere made all this stuff up...and, when the purpose suits them - they'll simply make up new stuff/lore...

which brings us back on fighting and flying on dragon mounts - make some new stuff/lore and get to coding...we/me want dragons (not ugly molag bal rippoff's/titans)...

MythicEmperor

geonsocal wrote: »

it's just lore...meaning someone somewhere made all this stuff up...and, when the purpose suits them - they'll simply make up new stuff/lore...

which brings us back on fighting and flying on dragon mounts - make some new stuff/lore and get to coding...we/me want dragons (not ugly molag bal rippoff's/titans)...

SirAndy

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

How will ZOS explain this one?

Since they are the ones making up the imaginary lore for the ES universe, i don't think they will have any trouble explaining anything they did or will do.

yodased

JD2013

A wizard AND Naryu in this case.

Though seriously, the island has been inhabited before by the Dwemer. It's not impossible to consider the Dunmer settling more than we have been lead to believe.

Now, the Imperials? That might be harder to explain. It is highly possible that Imperials fleeing the Three Banners War escaped to Vvardenfell, or maybe Imperials taking part in the war came over to survey Vvardenfell for possible resources etc. It's unlikely but not impossible.

UrQuan

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

The following is taken directly from the USEP

"3E 414 — Vvardenfell is opened for settlement: Previously a preserve administrated by the Tribunal Temple since the Treaty of the Armistice, Vvardenfell was largely uninhabited and undeveloped. Vvardenfell is reorganized as an Imperial Provincial District after King Llethan of Morrowind revokes the centuries-old Temple ban on trade and settlement. A flood of Imperial colonists and the Great Houses came to Vvardenfell."

Whelp, the IC is facing the wrong way, books from later eras are readable, towns are around that shouldn't be... I could go on. Not to mention that Seyda Neen looks all Imperial when the Empire won't occupy Vvardenfell in a while, so I have pretty much given up on ESO being lore friendly.

You forgot to mention that Black-Briar Mead exists and Cropsford exists despite having been founded by the Champion of Cyrodiil.

To be honest, Cropsford existing isn't really an issue. In the real world it's pretty common for new settlements to be founded on the same spots as previous settlements that vanished for one reason or another (getting wiped out in a war/raid or natural disaster being one of the more common reasons), and when that happens it's common for the new settlement to inherit the name of the older settlement (or a variant on the name).

If a particular location is an attractive place to found a town today, the odds are good that it was an attractive place to found a town centuries ago, and place names tend to stick around even after anything man-made that the name applied to is long gone. As long as somewhere nearby has been continually inhabited, chances are the name for a place will be remembered and retained (although often the name will subtly change over time, and frequently the original meaning of it, or what the name applied to will be forgotten).

TX12001rwb17_ESO

JD2013 wrote: »

A wizard AND Naryu in this case.

Though seriously, the island has been inhabited before by the Dwemer. It's not impossible to consider the Dunmer settling more than we have been lead to believe.

Now, the Imperials? That might be harder to explain. It is highly possible that Imperials fleeing the Three Banners War escaped to Vvardenfell, or maybe Imperials taking part in the war came over to survey Vvardenfell for possible resources etc. It's unlikely but not impossible.

And the Great Houses, they aren't on Vvardenfell yet.

JD2013

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

A wizard AND Naryu in this case.

Though seriously, the island has been inhabited before by the Dwemer. It's not impossible to consider the Dunmer settling more than we have been lead to believe.

Now, the Imperials? That might be harder to explain. It is highly possible that Imperials fleeing the Three Banners War escaped to Vvardenfell, or maybe Imperials taking part in the war came over to survey Vvardenfell for possible resources etc. It's unlikely but not impossible.

And the Great Houses, they aren't on Vvardenfell yet.

Gimme a few moments to think of a possible explanation for that particular thing

MythicEmperor

JD2013 wrote: »

A wizard AND Naryu in this case.

Though seriously, the island has been inhabited before by the Dwemer. It's not impossible to consider the Dunmer settling more than we have been lead to believe.

Now, the Imperials? That might be harder to explain. It is highly possible that Imperials fleeing the Three Banners War escaped to Vvardenfell, or maybe Imperials taking part in the war came over to survey Vvardenfell for possible resources etc. It's unlikely but not impossible.

I'm sure your explanations are better than what the "lore masters" will decide on.

BlazingDynamo

It's lore. Someone made it all out of thin air. Never happened so anything can be true.

opaj

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TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

The following is taken directly from the USEP

"3E 414 — Vvardenfell is opened for settlement: Previously a preserve administrated by the Tribunal Temple since the Treaty of the Armistice, Vvardenfell was largely uninhabited and undeveloped. Vvardenfell is reorganized as an Imperial Provincial District after King Llethan of Morrowind revokes the centuries-old Temple ban on trade and settlement. A flood of Imperial colonists and the Great Houses came to Vvardenfell."

Also from the UESP:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Armistice
"The Armistice, also known as The Treaty of the Armistice, was signed sometime in the final years of the Second Era."

Vvardenfell isn't a preserve yet. Presumably the island is abandoned to become "largely uninhabited and undeveloped" due to some event between now and the next 700-800 years. Can someone say wakey wakey, Mr. Sharmat?

UrQuan

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

A wizard AND Naryu in this case.

Though seriously, the island has been inhabited before by the Dwemer. It's not impossible to consider the Dunmer settling more than we have been lead to believe.

Now, the Imperials? That might be harder to explain. It is highly possible that Imperials fleeing the Three Banners War escaped to Vvardenfell, or maybe Imperials taking part in the war came over to survey Vvardenfell for possible resources etc. It's unlikely but not impossible.

And the Great Houses, they aren't on Vvardenfell yet.

Has Vvardenfell been made a temple preserve yet? I'm a little fuzzy on the timeline, but I think the answer is yes. Depending on how populated (ignoring Ashlander populations for this) and developed the land is, the answer could be that the settlements and any great house activity all fall directly under temple administration. So any development being done by the great houses is being done for the benefit of the temple (with the great houses of course also making a profit from it). If it's too populated/developed then it could be difficult to explain in a way that makes any sense.

Edit:

opaj wrote: »

Bolding for emphasis:

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

The following is taken directly from the USEP

"3E 414 — Vvardenfell is opened for settlement: Previously a preserve administrated by the Tribunal Temple since the Treaty of the Armistice, Vvardenfell was largely uninhabited and undeveloped. Vvardenfell is reorganized as an Imperial Provincial District after King Llethan of Morrowind revokes the centuries-old Temple ban on trade and settlement. A flood of Imperial colonists and the Great Houses came to Vvardenfell."

Also from the UESP:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Armistice
"The Armistice, also known as The Treaty of the Armistice, was signed sometime in the final years of the Second Era."

Vvardenfell isn't a preserve yet. Presumably the island is abandoned to become "largely uninhabited and undeveloped" due to some event between now and the next 700-800 years. Can someone say wakey wakey, Mr. Sharmat?

Ah, I knew I was a little fuzzy on the timeline. So it's not a temple preserve yet.

Mojmir

Imagination,use it.

JD2013

MythicEmperor wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

A wizard AND Naryu in this case.

Though seriously, the island has been inhabited before by the Dwemer. It's not impossible to consider the Dunmer settling more than we have been lead to believe.

Now, the Imperials? That might be harder to explain. It is highly possible that Imperials fleeing the Three Banners War escaped to Vvardenfell, or maybe Imperials taking part in the war came over to survey Vvardenfell for possible resources etc. It's unlikely but not impossible.

I'm sure your explanations are better than what the "lore masters" will decide on.

They should ask me to come and write them out of some corners I love that lore is a fluid thing, and it is, but writing themselves out of this corner may be very tricky, and they haven't, at times, offered the greatest amount of explanation in ESO.

That's not to say I think there's anything totally lore breaking at this time, but they might as well just say that the Soulburst caused a Dragon break and here we are. Or we are on Lyg.

jarydf

In real life previously history was written by the few to glorify the few. Whether it is historically accurate is often questionable. Why can not lore be the same?

rfennell_ESO

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

The following is taken directly from the USEP

"3E 414 — Vvardenfell is opened for settlement: Previously a preserve administrated by the Tribunal Temple since the Treaty of the Armistice, Vvardenfell was largely uninhabited and undeveloped. Vvardenfell is reorganized as an Imperial Provincial District after King Llethan of Morrowind revokes the centuries-old Temple ban on trade and settlement. A flood of Imperial colonists and the Great Houses came to Vvardenfell."

It was all a dream sequence!

Vanthras79

JD2013 wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

A wizard AND Naryu in this case.

Though seriously, the island has been inhabited before by the Dwemer. It's not impossible to consider the Dunmer settling more than we have been lead to believe.

Now, the Imperials? That might be harder to explain. It is highly possible that Imperials fleeing the Three Banners War escaped to Vvardenfell, or maybe Imperials taking part in the war came over to survey Vvardenfell for possible resources etc. It's unlikely but not impossible.

And the Great Houses, they aren't on Vvardenfell yet.

Gimme a few moments to think of a possible explanation for that particular thing

Uh-oh what did Lawrence do this time?

MasterSpatula

Aren't we several centuries before the Treaty of the Armistice?

EDIT: I see @opaj already brought that up.