Account wide achievements; shared housing made the first step?

timb16_ESO85

ChuckyPayne wrote: »

The problem with the achiements in this game:
The achievements mean = you can check what u done and what not with the characters.
Did I collect all skyshard?
Did I finished ...?

If they would create account-wide achievements then they would do some improvements with characters' statics like Cadwell's Almanac (zone story tracker/history).

They might colorcode to differentiate between earned on some character, the current greyish/silverish color and some new color (gold coloured?) Allowing in a quick overview to see what you have done on your current character, while still advising players on which parts of the game they havent tried/mastered yet.

AlnilamE

Sausage wrote: »

timb16_ESO85 wrote: »

While I really would like to see achievements be account wide, why not use the middle ground:

2 seperate catogories: character achievements (everything earned on that character), and account wide cumulative (every achievemnt earned by at leat one of your characters). This would allow the achievements of your character (and titles) to still be seperated by character, while still providing a list of all earned and unearned acheivements for achievement hunters/completionists.

Player can do all the achievements with one char or then use multiple chars, isnt enough middle ground?

I simply cant understand why people think Achievement it such a big deal, I would understand the whining if its about gears or CPs, but achievements are next to useless in this game.

No. It isn't. Unless they majorly increase some of the achievement. I've gotten the 1000 chest achievement on 3 characters already (working on a 4th). I have General Executioner on 2 characters, with a third missing 2 Generals at the moment.

I've gotten all the dolmens on 2 Characters, with a third close behind.

And having all the discovery achievements on a character that's never been in a zone is nonsensical at best.

And let's not mention having assassination achievements on a character that's never murdered anyone.

So I will stay with no account-wide unless it's an entirely separate section from individual character achievements.

jcaceresw

dactorionb16_ESO wrote: »

Now that housing is introduced, I wondered if it was not a good time to address account wide achievements. Houses are set to account wide with Homestead thus in a way it would make sense to make achievements account wide as well.

- With houses being account wide, other characters next to the character that has been used to buy the actual house can contribute to the achievements which unlock achievement vendors on your House-owner.
- Some achievements take are already a big chore to complete on one character, let alone if those achievements would be needed for other characters as well. For example: Black Market Mogul, Tamriel Trailblazer etc.
- This would immediately also mean all your characters would have opened up the dyes that are locked behind achievements.
- It would be less punishing for playing an alt, seeing it will contribute to achievement completion on your whole account.

Account wide housing has made good step towards sharing things between characters. I hope in the near future more will be shared among characters, like achievements.

When I tested Homestead on PTS I bought several furnished homes and completed several achievements. Then I logged onto another character of my same account and upon entering any of the homes I bought previously the unlocked achievements from my first character carried over. I haven't tested if this continues to be on live.

Note: the carried achievements where the ones for the "crafting" subcategory, meaning the ones where they ask you, for example, to put 100 crafted objects on a house. I believe the long term achievements like the "manor somewhat" that requires you to purchase all the 3 manors also carried over on my PTS testing.

hmsdragonfly

EvilCroc wrote: »

And I'm playing the game as "my main plus some end-game short-cut alts". And I don't want to loose time I can spent for doing achievements on main, playing the alts. For example, I'm forced to extract ore, wood and cloth from raw materials by my main, cuz it's need refining achievement. With account wide ach. it doesn't matter, which one of my chars extracts materials from raw.

What's the point of getting the achievement again on another alt if you already have it on your mina? Sorry, I don't quite get that.

Nestor

Back before One Tamriel, I sympathized with people who wanted Account Wide Achievements. I did not agree with them, I just understood where they are coming from. Now, since all zones are available to all players and any level, I am firmly in the Character specific Achievement Camps. There are no in game barriers other than time and effort to gaining an achievement.

Sausage

Ive said it always that you need to be insane to do those twice and for Zen, if they manage to get players to do it once, its huge win for them. I wouldnt only put them to account-wide but I would overhaul the entire achievement system, to make it more interesting and something what encourages people to do those, yeah, now they are likea side-dish when they should be part of the dish as whole.

Kodrac

Fignutz821 wrote: »

It's a video game, who cares if some lvl 10 is rocking flawless conquerer... is it really that important?

This is srs bsns bruh

Sigtric

A few things

I'm fine with adding account wide achievements in addition to the current character specific ones.

I prefer the original character specific ones to stay that way as it is a journal or indication of what has been done by that character.

Cpt_Teemo

Kodrac wrote: »

Fignutz821 wrote: »

It's a video game, who cares if some lvl 10 is rocking flawless conquerer... is it really that important?

This is srs bsns bruh

But your going to get free stuff ! It's not fair !




See even the baby agree's for anti account wide complaints

Sausage

Sausage wrote: »

Ive said it always that you need to be insane to do those twice and for Zen, if they manage to get players to do it once, its huge win for them. I wouldnt only put them to account-wide but I would overhaul the entire achievement system, to make it more interesting and something what encourages people to do those, yeah, now they are likea side-dish when they should be part of the dish as whole.

Just gonna add to my own post, that I think there should be achievement score, higher the score, more stuff you can buy from the achievements, something like that. So no reward, player can choose what he wants from there. That would give nice twist to it, to the quite standard achievement system. Screw standard, when you can do stuff innovatively.

Tommy_The_Gun

Account wide achievements ? Sure why not.
Some achievements depends purely on luck - for example cyrodiil skyshard hunter. The gates to other alliances are closed by default. So you have to be lucky (or have like VERY GOOD PvP guild) and then even if those gates are open then you have to be double lucky not to be ganked... xD

btw. I guess account wide skill points from skyshards (just like account wide CP) would be more useful than achievements...

Uriel_Nocturne

dactorionb16_ESO wrote: »

Now that housing is introduced, I wondered if it was not a good time to address account wide achievements. Houses are set to account wide with Homestead thus in a way it would make sense to make achievements account wide as well.

- With houses being account wide, other characters next to the character that has been used to buy the actual house can contribute to the achievements which unlock achievement vendors on your House-owner.
- Some achievements take are already a big chore to complete on one character, let alone if those achievements would be needed for other characters as well. For example: Black Market Mogul, Tamriel Trailblazer etc.
- This would immediately also mean all your characters would have opened up the dyes that are locked behind achievements.
- It would be less punishing for playing an alt, seeing it will contribute to achievement completion on your whole account.

Account wide housing has made good step towards sharing things between characters. I hope in the near future more will be shared among characters, like achievements.

This minuscule faction of people who want "account-wide achievements"... I just don't really know what to think.

I've never seen a faction of people, who argue this hard to not have to play the game...

Why would anyone make an argument to a developer/development team, to make it easier to not play the game that they made? o.O

This... this just boggles my mind.

Slurg

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

EvilCroc wrote: »

And I'm playing the game as "my main plus some end-game short-cut alts". And I don't want to loose time I can spent for doing achievements on main, playing the alts. For example, I'm forced to extract ore, wood and cloth from raw materials by my main, cuz it's need refining achievement. With account wide ach. it doesn't matter, which one of my chars extracts materials from raw.

What's the point of getting the achievement again on another alt if you already have it on your mina? Sorry, I don't quite get that.

The crating achievements on each character impact your chances of receiving a master crafting writ on that character.

Cpt_Teemo

Slurg wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

EvilCroc wrote: »

And I'm playing the game as "my main plus some end-game short-cut alts". And I don't want to loose time I can spent for doing achievements on main, playing the alts. For example, I'm forced to extract ore, wood and cloth from raw materials by my main, cuz it's need refining achievement. With account wide ach. it doesn't matter, which one of my chars extracts materials from raw.

What's the point of getting the achievement again on another alt if you already have it on your mina? Sorry, I don't quite get that.

The crating achievements on each character impact your chances of receiving a master crafting writ on that character.

From the looks of it doesn't do anything tbh

Number_51

Fignutz821 wrote: »

It's a video game, who cares if some lvl 10 is rocking flawless conquerer... is it really that important?

It's a video game, who cares if all your alts have all the achievements... is there a less fun way to play then following a checklist of accomplishments?

OK... as someone who completely disagrees with account-wide achievements (or just about anything being account-wide), I'm just having a little fun with you, but I think it does represent my opinion on the matter.

Nestor

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

From the looks of it doesn't do anything tbh

The Motifs do.....

idk

Omg. This minor movement is grasping at straws.

What OP has failed to take notice of us housing achievements are not account wide. The characters do not automatically get the achievements.

Further, acheivemenfs nit tied directly to the home require actual participation of the character to get

In conclusion. The OP is incorrect and fortunately achievements are not shared account wide, still.

Godeko

I hate this: "its your characters achievement not yours".
I mean: For real? I worked for that. I spent time on it. I did it.

To you RP people: You have so much imagination, just imagine your character did this or that achievement, but dont tell us that those characters did it. Because ... thats a bit harsh now ... those characters dont exist in reality .

RoseVex

I would like to see the collectible achievements become account wide. I could grind for certain collectibles on a lower lvl char and be lvling instead of wasting the exp which I don't need on my main char.

Pretty pretty please? @ZOS_GinaBruno

Violynne

Put me down for one who is also against account-wide achievements. I want my characters to earn them, not be awarded for doing nothing. I'm still upset my newest character jumped from level 50 to CP 222 without doing anything but breaking down a stick.

I also don't like these "shared resources", either. I want my characters to have their OWN bank space, not a shared account between them.

I have to train my mount every time with a new character, level up all skills, so why are other things given pro bono without doing a thing? Makes no sense to me.

Slurg

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Omg. This minor movement is grasping at straws.

What OP has failed to take notice of us housing achievements are not account wide. The characters do not automatically get the achievements.

Further, acheivemenfs nit tied directly to the home require actual participation of the character to get

In conclusion. The OP is incorrect and fortunately achievements are not shared account wide, still.

Actually, if you buy and decorate a manor on your main, and then log in on an alt and visit the decorated manor, the decoration achievements will pop up on your screen, and the title will become available for the alt to use. It is not automatic, you need to visit with the alt to get it. But you don't have to do anything else.

I do not think this is a first step to making all achievements account wide, though.

Artis

EvilCroc wrote: »

Titles make all mess. Until ZOS will separate titles from achievements, we will not see account wide achievements. People with "No 10lvl stormproof allowed!" whining always will be louder.

That's very easy to work around. Just make it so, that all achievements kick in when you reach level 50 or whatever minimum level is technically required to get an achievement (if you don't like 50).

Tandor wrote: »

No thanks, for all the reasons given in the countless other threads - which basically boil down to the fact that I play my characters as individual equals leveling through the game for the journey, and not as "my main plus some end-game short-cut alts" so I don't want anything else made account-wide (and would actually be very happy if they made champion points and dye unlocks character specific too).

There are strong cases to be made on both sides of the argument so far as having things account-wide is concerned, and I think the present arrangement strikes a good balance between them. Leave well alone!

Those are not reason but excuses. Most people saying this are hypocrites or trolls trying to mock and trigger a reaction from frustrated players who ask for achievement system to be updated. Most of those people DO take advantage of account-wide features. They don't divide 30 on the number of characters to figure out how many guild slots each of them will use, they gladly use the bank and transfer gear they don't need on one character to another character who could use it, they happily share gold if needed, they happily share houses, pets, mounts.

Aren't you one of them? Or are you not using any account-wide features? IF you are - you are the minority either way.

And btw, no one EVER said that you won't see the individual achievements of each character. Once you click on the achievement - it can show who completed it. See WoW's system for example.

Sausage wrote: »

timb16_ESO85 wrote: »

While I really would like to see achievements be account wide, why not use the middle ground:

2 seperate catogories: character achievements (everything earned on that character), and account wide cumulative (every achievemnt earned by at leat one of your characters). This would allow the achievements of your character (and titles) to still be seperated by character, while still providing a list of all earned and unearned acheivements for achievement hunters/completionists.

Player can do all the achievements with one char or then use multiple chars, isnt enough middle ground?

I simply cant understand why people think Achievement it such a big deal, I would understand the whining if its about gears or CPs, but achievements are next to useless in this game.

Sausage wrote: »

timb16_ESO85 wrote: »

While I really would like to see achievements be account wide, why not use the middle ground:

2 seperate catogories: character achievements (everything earned on that character), and account wide cumulative (every achievemnt earned by at leat one of your characters). This would allow the achievements of your character (and titles) to still be seperated by character, while still providing a list of all earned and unearned acheivements for achievement hunters/completionists.

Player can do all the achievements with one char or then use multiple chars, isnt enough middle ground?

I simply cant understand why people think Achievement it such a big deal, I would understand the whining if its about gears or CPs, but achievements are next to useless in this game.

No you're wrong. Those other things are useless and mean nothing. They will add CP cap, they will add new gear and the old one will become useless. But achievements and titles will stay forever. And they are showing me what content I completed.

The true middle ground is simply having them displayed account wide, while being able to see which character completed what. Maybe use different colors for achievements completed by a specific character, any character and not completed by any character.

TheShadowScout wrote: »

dactorionb16_ESO wrote: »

Now that housing is introduced, I wondered if it was not a good time to address account wide achievements...

Nah.
Been to this idea many, many times, still haven't heard any decent argument for it other then "gimme stuffs"...

Housing, like crown store unlocks or dyes, being account wide makes sense.

Achievements account wide make no sense whatsoever, no matter how many times the gimme crowd whines for it to happen.
After all, they are to track your characters -achievements- so you can check which skyshards you may have missed, which motiv pages you still have to look for, which landmarks you found, what you have done on that character and what you yet have to do...

And the dyes achievements can unlock are already account wide... yet the titles never should be. Thus I expect any housing unlocky stuff to be account wide as well... while leaving the individual achievements character-specific.

And no character really -needs- achievement completions, unless you really want some special title. And if you do - then work for it.


What I -do- want to see is an "achievement overview" page, opened from the character selection scrteen, where you can see which of your alts has completed what achievement - and possibly earn extra rewards for multiple achievement completions (like, say, play through the mainstory with every class, or reach some PvP rank in every alliance, or whatever...)

No you're just not reading. Account wide achievements make perfect sense, since a player is the one earning them. Especially with so many RNG and grind achievements. Like when you get a collectible you still need on your main on your freshly created alt.

There's no such thing as "work for it". First of all, it's a game. Second of all, I already worked for it if I have it on one of the characters.

For completionists and achievement-hunters playing an alt feels like punishment right now, even though we are forced to play them if we want anything within reasonable time - like motifs that drop from dailies. Or master writs, which zos acknowledged btw, mentioning that you can dump them in bank and do on one character. So they do admit that the game is about players doing stuff, not characters.

And btw, I'm pretty sure you and other hypocrites do just that - do writs on multiple characters and transfering master writs on one. And then dare to say something about "playing individual equals".

And NO! Absolutely no extra rewards or score for multiple achievements. That defeats the whole purpose and forces people to grind on alts! What we need is freedom to play any character we want, what you suggest is the opposite of that for every achievement-hunter.

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

dactorionb16_ESO wrote: »

Now that housing is introduced, I wondered if it was not a good time to address account wide achievements. Houses are set to account wide with Homestead thus in a way it would make sense to make achievements account wide as well.

- With houses being account wide, other characters next to the character that has been used to buy the actual house can contribute to the achievements which unlock achievement vendors on your House-owner.
- Some achievements take are already a big chore to complete on one character, let alone if those achievements would be needed for other characters as well. For example: Black Market Mogul, Tamriel Trailblazer etc.
- This would immediately also mean all your characters would have opened up the dyes that are locked behind achievements.
- It would be less punishing for playing an alt, seeing it will contribute to achievement completion on your whole account.

Account wide housing has made good step towards sharing things between characters. I hope in the near future more will be shared among characters, like achievements.

This minuscule faction of people who want "account-wide achievements"... I just don't really know what to think.

I've never seen a faction of people, who argue this hard to not have to play the game...

Why would anyone make an argument to a developer/development team, to make it easier to not play the game that they made? o.O

This... this just boggles my mind.

WTF are you talking about? OF course we want to play the game. That's the whole point! We want to play the game without feeling like we're wasting time doing no progress and we want to play the game and not grind all the time to catch up on "progress" on every character. Our characters are our avatars, and they should show what we have done. The system would still have ALL character specific info for those who want that.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Omg. This minor movement is grasping at straws.

What OP has failed to take notice of us housing achievements are not account wide. The characters do not automatically get the achievements.

Further, acheivemenfs nit tied directly to the home require actual participation of the character to get

In conclusion. The OP is incorrect and fortunately achievements are not shared account wide, still.

Yes they are. At least the ones for property. You don't need to buy a house more than once on just one character. Once you enter - you get the achievements associated with owning houses. Or are you gonna say that you are earning and spending gold separately on each character and are only using houses bought on the specific character (along with pets, crafted items, gold, etc.)?

Violynne wrote: »

Put me down for one who is also against account-wide achievements. I want my characters to earn them, not be awarded for doing nothing. I'm still upset my newest character jumped from level 50 to CP 222 without doing anything but breaking down a stick.

I also don't like these "shared resources", either. I want my characters to have their OWN bank space, not a shared account between them.

I have to train my mount every time with a new character, level up all skills, so why are other things given pro bono without doing a thing? Makes no sense to me.

It's easy. Bank has 200 slots. Just divide it by the number of characters and only use that amount of slots per character. Also don't forget to only use mounts, costumes, skins, gold, pets, dyes, houses etc earned on that character.

But you won't do that, will you? You're just here to troll people who want a new feature for them without taking anything away from you.

Cpt_Teemo

Nestor wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

From the looks of it doesn't do anything tbh

The Motifs do.....

I have every motif in the game besides Ebony / Akaviri, and I haven't received a master writ on my main crafter, also on my 7 other alts as well doing 36 writs a day not one for 14 days.

Putinof

What Artis said basically. This feature is indeed required. i got limited time to play, and now for example an event starts, and im wondering witch character should i start doing it on.. The solution introduced in wow long ago fits just perfect here.
If someone doesnt like the extra feature, then whatever. They dont have to use. Its simple as that. I want one, and im one of many here, so Zenimax please..

Katahdin

I think some achievements should be account wide, some should stay character based.

I just want to be able to bank AP into one pool.

Cpt_Teemo

I think all achievements, research, and motifs should be account wide imo.

mb10

gresiac wrote: »

I dont like account-wide achievements

account-wide achievements dont like you