Campaign closures for Homestead

PenguinInACan

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

The problem isn't in recent trends though. ZOS analyzes data over several cycles and AZ has had similar population to TF on peak hours/weekends several times over the past 4-6 months. (and thats when we need the best server performance) The recent/current population imbalances shouldn't be considered by themselves but added to the larger pool of data. Only ZOS really knows the true population trends (including IC) so guesstimating based on seemingly inaccurate population bars wouldn't tell you much more than who decided to take a break for a weekend.

If a single guild takes off for the weekend and makes it a dead campaign that should be a good example of a server population issue.

I agree, it is a great example of a server population issue. But it's a recent population issue. That's the point of the 100 page thread. To correct the population issue (which has been corrected several times throughout the life-cycle of that thread) within the community. I believe the servers that have been closed are ones that have been open since launch (correct me if I am wrong about this) so almost 3 years of data prompting server closures is a lot better than a little less than 2 years of data (or one week of player observation) on very specialized campaigns (noCP and no vet/CP).

Preyfar

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

PvP is dying .

I used to be a diehard PVPer, got emp... but quit because ZOS doesn't seem interested in updating/improving PVP at all. They say they do but their actions speak louder than words (e.g. not updating Rewards drops, letting exploits go on for months on end without priority fixing, lack improved content). Updating the towns did a very minimal effect on PVP.

ZOS mentioned over a year about new kinds of siege (Dwarven siege) that would see the light of day. Given Morrowind has a Dwemery history maybe it'll finally arrive with it, but the majority of PVP has needed nothing short of a larger reboot like the rest of the game. It has not had one.

I kind of just want to be like "I know you can't say anything, but blink twice if big changes are on the dev boards for PVP" in the hopes things eventually DO improve. I want to PVP. I don't want to PVP in the game's current state.

Integral1900

Time to take the old yeller of pvp round the back of the woodshed along with the twelve gage shotgun.... cue the sound of evil laughter

Sugaroverdose

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Hey gang!

In the coming Homestead update, we will be closing several campaigns across most platforms. As always we want to ensure a healthy population exists in Cyrodiil and the campaigns noted here for closure were vastly under populated. If you’re assigned to these campaigns, you will be granted a free re-assign and rewards based on the Campaign status at the time of closure will be granted when you log in.

PC EU – The Campaigns Spellbreaker and Ebony Blade will be closing on the EU PC Realm.

Xbox NA – The Campaigns Chillrend and Skeleton Key will be closing on the Xbox NA Realm.

PS NA –The Campaigns Chillrend and Thornblade will be closing on the PS4 NA Realm.

PS EU – The Scourge Campaign will be closing on the PS4 EU Realm.

PvP is almost dead, good luck ZoS trying to make $2 on sales

MasterSpatula

ManDraKE wrote: »

Hadreus PC NA, you are next

Shouldn't there always be at least three?

cynaes

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Hey gang!

In the coming Homestead update, we will be closing several campaigns across most platforms. As always we want to ensure a healthy population exists in Cyrodiil and the campaigns noted here for closure were vastly under populated. If you’re assigned to these campaigns, you will be granted a free re-assign and rewards based on the Campaign status at the time of closure will be granted when you log in.

PC EU – The Campaigns Spellbreaker and Ebony Blade will be closing on the EU PC Realm.

Xbox NA – The Campaigns Chillrend and Skeleton Key will be closing on the Xbox NA Realm.

PS NA –The Campaigns Chillrend and Thornblade will be closing on the PS4 NA Realm.

PS EU – The Scourge Campaign will be closing on the PS4 EU Realm.

This seems like a big change to implement on short notice.

There's already a queue to get into TF during the evenings. Isn't it more likely that people will stop playing PvP because Queue times become too long (and they're not interested in one of the "special" campaigns).

There's no other content/area of ESO (that I am aware of) where you are actually forced to wait in a queue just to play it. Doesn't that mean that in the end less people will be able to "enjoy" (hehe) Cyrodiil/IC, because people usually don't like to wait in queues. So you have a big chunk of map/content sitting there getting less and less attention.

I would have understood this move, if you'd paired it with the release of battlegrounds, as I'm pretty sure that will have a big (negativ) impact on population there.

kevlarto_ESO

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

It is a shame . Some would think with all the talk and success of One Tamriel and all the new players campaigns would be filling up not shrinking . I know a lot of people left when lag became unbearable again . Then there were people trying to get others to play on different campaigns but there was not enough people left to pull that off .

This is all indicative of growing issues with bad balance , ideas not being implemented correctly and really bad gear sets removing skill from the game . If these issues continually get ignored , those battlefields won't last long either . You need to revitalize the situation or it will just continue to cause PVP population to steadily shrink .

I agree and throw in people sick of cheaters, cheat engine still alive and well and exploiters, broken proc sets, intrusive add-ons that tell others when your character farts in pvp,crazy ball groups spamming storm over and over, plus all the issues you listed above, I am amazed I still go out to pvp once or twice a week, when I use to pvp 7 days a week 4 to 10 hours a day.

The small scale stuff will just exacerbate these issues, unless ZOS does some serious balancing and cheater control, 4x4x4 will be pretty much just end up exploiter vs exploiter, that might be a good thing will keep them out of cyrodiil who knows /shrug

JD2013

Maybe if people didn't just pile onto 2 campaigns ...

Yuke

This change was long overdue.

Thanks.

Iyas

Its a good step for EU. Maybe we will get haderus populated now

kyle.wilson

MasterSpatula wrote: »

ManDraKE wrote: »

Hadreus PC NA, you are next

Shouldn't there always be at least three?

That would leave just TF. Because AS isn't a real campaign after the change.

Ankael07

kyle.wilson wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

ManDraKE wrote: »

Hadreus PC NA, you are next

Shouldn't there always be at least three?

That would leave just TF. Because AS isn't a real campaign after the change.

So... eso wasnt a real game before champion points? Same logic.

Ackwalan

The people that wanted to play on a heavy population server, were already on them. The lighter population servers were nice for smaller fights.

Druwe

TF is so laggy at the moment - and with 60 plus queses it makes it vastly annoying when you are booted and have to sit in queue AGAIN. sigh. Haderus should be the introduction to TF and where people who skipped BWB learn the basics. At least then when we get people in TF they should know not to seige a postern door....

LegendaryChef

Uh oh, what will the pvdoor players do when they have to fight actual players now?

Good change Zos, thank you.

Ackwalan

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Uh oh, what will the pvdoor players do when they have to fight actual players now?

Good change Zos, thank you.

I wouldn't rate zerging any higher then pvd.

LegendaryChef

Ackwalan wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Uh oh, what will the pvdoor players do when they have to fight actual players now?

Good change Zos, thank you.

I wouldn't rate zerging any higher then pvd.

You are probably right there my friend. I guess that will be their next plan!

AddiZ

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Hey gang!

In the coming Homestead update, we will be closing several campaigns across most platforms. As always we want to ensure a healthy population exists in Cyrodiil and the campaigns noted here for closure were vastly under populated. If you’re assigned to these campaigns, you will be granted a free re-assign and rewards based on the Campaign status at the time of closure will be granted when you log in.

PC EU – The Campaigns Spellbreaker and Ebony Blade will be closing on the EU PC Realm.

Xbox NA – The Campaigns Chillrend and Skeleton Key will be closing on the Xbox NA Realm.

PS NA –The Campaigns Chillrend and Thornblade will be closing on the PS4 NA Realm.

PS EU – The Scourge Campaign will be closing on the PS4 EU Realm.

Will Truflame have the same population lock or will you increase it?

I see que's of 100's coming, this will be a BIG turn off for many because there is already enormous que's in truflame already during prime time......

Docmandu

Lettigall wrote: »

Every closed server is a nail in the PvP coffin... Damn, MMO of the year with constantly decreasing PvP population!

3 years of severe performance issues and many huge extended periods where obviously broken mechanics (proctards, instagibs, ..) don't get adjusted, will do that, even to the best of games.

It's actually a testament to the games' pvp system that there are actually still people willing to suffer through it all.

Derra

Great and needed changes!

Now if you could make the campaign selection window actually clearer for new players to choose a campaign?

You know like - have all 4 campaigns in one tab with a short description of their specifics. Instead of having 4 different tabs with one campaign each...

I´ve actually talked to players that never noticed there´s more than 1 campaign due to the current craptastic design @ZOS_BrianWheeler

Glamdring

Derra wrote: »

I´ve actually talked to players that never noticed there´s more than 1 campaign due to the current craptastic design @ZOS_BrianWheeler

This^^

Leandor

@ZOS_BrianWheeler please for the love of all things holy, stop believing in numbers only.

Closing down both 30-day on PC EU is an atrocious decision. Pick one and leave the other. Ebony was revived in the last couple weeks and sees a lot of action.

There are players that don't want the trueflame gameplay.

This decision spoiled all the enjoyment for the extension for me. Thanks for nothing.

KisoValley

Leandor wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler please for the love of all things holy, stop believing in numbers only.

Closing down both 30-day on PC EU is an atrocious decision. Pick one and leave the other. Ebony was revived in the last couple weeks and sees a lot of action.

There are players that don't want the trueflame gameplay.

This decision spoiled all the enjoyment for the extension for me. Thanks for nothing.

Ebony was revived for one day. Guess which day that was? The first day Hexys got emperor on TF (of this campaign) and was destroying everyone. Ebony has been dead since because people realised fighting Ciganys 24 man raid of stam DKS and magplars is less fun than fighting on TF.

I'm glad these changes have came, hopefully there is a bit more population in Had.

Leandor

KisoValley wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler please for the love of all things holy, stop believing in numbers only.

Closing down both 30-day on PC EU is an atrocious decision. Pick one and leave the other. Ebony was revived in the last couple weeks and sees a lot of action.

There are players that don't want the trueflame gameplay.

This decision spoiled all the enjoyment for the extension for me. Thanks for nothing.

Ebony was revived for one day. Guess which day that was? The first day Hexys got emperor on TF (of this campaign) and was destroying everyone. Ebony has been dead since because people realised fighting Ciganys 24 man raid of stam DKS and magplars is less fun than fighting on TF.

I'm glad these changes have came, hopefully there is a bit more population in Had.

We've been playing for a month on ebony. We had lots of fun all the time. What you call "revive" was the one day when all the cheese groups were on there at the same time. Necrotic, zerg squad, achchazu, prootch zerg, even big boss. That does not constitute "reviving" in my books.

We had 2 bars or more on all factions several times with proper three faction fighting and without the cheese teams. Let those stay on TF. Leave us to our preferred kind of pvp. Of you are content with it, stay on TF.

Cinbri

I play on Ebony for like week, tho only in IC. And it absolutely empty there, so we freely farming TV stones for next update, biggest group I saw there was 6 people. Such things don't happen on "populated" campaigns.

cheemers

No more easy Tel Var farming I guess. Overall I think this is a good change especially with the boosts to AP earned for capturing keeps and resources. Stops factions from just taking and losing the entire map on dead campaigns for easy AP.

Arthg

I find it hard not to believe ZOS is deliberately trying to let PvP die a slow, painful death.

Campaigns are being closed.
Long-standing cheats and exploits, lag issues and bugs (like charging to the south-east of Nickel takes you to Blackboot and then you die of fall damage? Seriously.) are not addressed.
The meta is horrible - charge when the destro ultis and negates are up, or stack proc sets for lucky skill-less kills.
Build diversity and ability diversity are non-existent.

What a shame.
Such great potential.
Cyrodiil is a great terrain, with so many places where it'd just be fantastic to fight.

But no.
Nothing.
No fixes, no new objectives, no serious suggestion to depack and make the most of what already exists.

Lore_lai

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

@Crispen_Longbow merging Azura's and BwB is a good idea actually.

Not really - BwB needs to stay separate as a campaign where truly noobie (I don't mean it as an insult BTW) players can learn.

A lot of people on Azura know what they're doing and, if all the new players would be forced to play in that, they would just be victims to the next 500 kills in X min or whatever clip.

The gear disparity would be terrible between max lvl players and lowbies.

Besides - BwB has its charm with no procsets exploding everywhere and EOTS spam.

Sharee

VoiDGhOs7 wrote: »

1st step of PvP killing started...

And gotta love those 250+ queues in TF EU.

Here's a tip: don't play on the overpopulated side, and your queues will never reach two digits.

Yuke

Cinbri wrote: »

I play on Ebony for like week, tho only in IC. And it absolutely empty there, so we freely farming TV stones for next update, biggest group I saw there was 6 people. Such things don't happen on "populated" campaigns.

^

can also confirm for spellbreaker.