Why so much haters?

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Asardes

Well, let's compare to the other DLCs
1) Imperial City base price is 2,500 Crowns, which is equivalent to about 15.90 EUR (full crown price) or 9.50 EUR (discounted crown price)
2) Orsinium base price is 3000 Crowns, which is 19.10 EUR (full) or 11.45 (discounted)
3) Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood base price is 2000 Crowns which is 12.75 EUR (full) or 7.65 (discounted)
4) Shadows of the Hist is base price is 1500 Crowns 9.55 EUR (full) or 5.75 EUR (discounted)

If Morrowind contains a big overland area (about 2x the size of Wrothgar according to datamining), one trial and a maybe couple of group dungeons, that makes it at least the equivalent of Orsinium + Thieves Guild + Shadows of the Hist. If you add the prices of those together it's 37.60 EUR which is close to 40 EUR. And note that's a preorder pacj that includes other items too. And a completely new class and maybe even a general skill line for Morag Tong. In my opinion the price is quite fair.

Iccotak

Asardes wrote: »

Well, let's compare to the other DLCs
1) Imperial City base price is 2,500 Crowns, which is equivalent to about 15.90 EUR (full crown price) or 9.50 EUR (discounted crown price)
2) Orsinium base price is 3000 Crowns, which is 19.10 EUR (full) or 11.45 (discounted)
3) Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood base price is 2000 Crowns which is 12.75 EUR (full) or 7.65 (discounted)
4) Shadows of the Hist is base price is 1500 Crowns 9.55 EUR (full) or 5.75 EUR (discounted)

If Morrowind contains a big overland area (about 2x the size of Wrothgar according to datamining), one trial and a maybe couple of group dungeons, that makes it at least the equivalent of Orsinium + Thieves Guild + Shadows of the Hist. If you add the prices of those together it's 37.60 EUR which is close to 40 EUR. And note that's a preorder pacj that includes other items too. And a completely new class and maybe even a general skill line for Morag Tong. In my opinion the price is quite fair.

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Sengra

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

My point is, there's a helluva lot worse wrong with this game than a $40 "expansion". Large content does come at a price, whereas un justified increasing price grabs are nothing more than a pile of ***.

We can agree about that then. When people were moaning about the price of the GW2 expansion I didn't understand it, but this is, after all, a game which has for a longer time now had a quarterly DLC release model and an optional sub that included access to all DLC content. I don't think it's the price that irks people, but the way the whole change from DLC to 'chapters' was handled and how they feel about it.

CloneTrooper699

UntrustedExistenz wrote: »

Haters want to have access to all things for free or almost free. When I first read information about pricing of chapter I was pretty sure that those hateful part of community will start flame war about it. For me 40€ is not a small amount of cash but I will buy it for sure. No matter I'm already subscriber. Just add Morrowinds music to this and I'm looking for my wallet lol.

I agree I went and pre ordered the full physical collectors edition, I wish I could buy that without the base game but oh well. That being said free stuff is always nice, I wouldn't mind a loyalty reward, you know a crown crate here or there or a new pet for staying subbed consecutive months or years (but I'm happy with what we get).

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

My point is, there's a helluva lot worse wrong with this game than a $40 "expansion". Large content does come at a price, whereas un justified increasing price grabs are nothing more than a pile of ***.

Yeah, that pisses me off, they should set a price range now and keep it. Mounts can cost X - X amount of crowns, Pets will cost X - X amount of crowns. Then once they state that, they should never break lower or higher then those values.

Patouf

Iccotak wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Well, let's compare to the other DLCs
1) Imperial City base price is 2,500 Crowns, which is equivalent to about 15.90 EUR (full crown price) or 9.50 EUR (discounted crown price)
2) Orsinium base price is 3000 Crowns, which is 19.10 EUR (full) or 11.45 (discounted)
3) Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood base price is 2000 Crowns which is 12.75 EUR (full) or 7.65 (discounted)
4) Shadows of the Hist is base price is 1500 Crowns 9.55 EUR (full) or 5.75 EUR (discounted)

If Morrowind contains a big overland area (about 2x the size of Wrothgar according to datamining), one trial and a maybe couple of group dungeons, that makes it at least the equivalent of Orsinium + Thieves Guild + Shadows of the Hist. If you add the prices of those together it's 37.60 EUR which is close to 40 EUR. And note that's a preorder pacj that includes other items too. And a completely new class and maybe even a general skill line for Morag Tong. In my opinion the price is quite fair.

THIS

30+ hours of content is for new player
Morrow is 1.6 largest than wrothgarr
Morrow has not this kind of content that you described (no trial or dungeons)
Morrow is close to wrothgarr for questing
New skill line does not impact pve/pvp game (will not appear with this chapter)
It is still expensive
It kills eso+ subs

So, i repeat again, be aware.

SaRuZ

Everything in gaming is being managed with microtransactions now. Rainbow Six Siege you can buy credit packs and $3 skins for your guns.

I figure if I am going to pay for cosmetic items and pay for bite sized DLC and pay for Expansion Packs, I am going to make sure I can truly invest in the game and MMO's are the only genre that allow that.

29 days, 23 hours, 40 minutes, and 18 seconds played so far

Asardes

Patouf wrote: »

Iccotak wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Well, let's compare to the other DLCs
1) Imperial City base price is 2,500 Crowns, which is equivalent to about 15.90 EUR (full crown price) or 9.50 EUR (discounted crown price)
2) Orsinium base price is 3000 Crowns, which is 19.10 EUR (full) or 11.45 (discounted)
3) Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood base price is 2000 Crowns which is 12.75 EUR (full) or 7.65 (discounted)
4) Shadows of the Hist is base price is 1500 Crowns 9.55 EUR (full) or 5.75 EUR (discounted)

If Morrowind contains a big overland area (about 2x the size of Wrothgar according to datamining), one trial and a maybe couple of group dungeons, that makes it at least the equivalent of Orsinium + Thieves Guild + Shadows of the Hist. If you add the prices of those together it's 37.60 EUR which is close to 40 EUR. And note that's a preorder pacj that includes other items too. And a completely new class and maybe even a general skill line for Morag Tong. In my opinion the price is quite fair.

THIS

Morrow is 1.6 largest than wrothgarr
Morrow has not this kind of content that you described (no trial or dungeons)
Morrow is close to wrothgarr for questing
New skill line does not impact pve/pvp game (will not appear with this chapter)
It is still expensive
It kills eso+ subs

So, i repeat again, be aware.

The new trial is quite certain at this point. Most likely location is Tel Fyr. Other speculated location was Red Mountain. It's also possible other things will be released at a later date, even if included in the same area so I'm not hedging my bets yet. I never subbed so I really don't care about this aspect because I don't find much benefit in doing so. However I understand the frustration of subbers and it should at least be made purchasable with crowns.

Patouf

Trial is on morrow map but not with chapter released.

If you are not subs so you can not understand the whole thing.

Panth141

Patouf wrote: »

Iccotak wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Well, let's compare to the other DLCs
1) Imperial City base price is 2,500 Crowns, which is equivalent to about 15.90 EUR (full crown price) or 9.50 EUR (discounted crown price)
2) Orsinium base price is 3000 Crowns, which is 19.10 EUR (full) or 11.45 (discounted)
3) Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood base price is 2000 Crowns which is 12.75 EUR (full) or 7.65 (discounted)
4) Shadows of the Hist is base price is 1500 Crowns 9.55 EUR (full) or 5.75 EUR (discounted)

If Morrowind contains a big overland area (about 2x the size of Wrothgar according to datamining), one trial and a maybe couple of group dungeons, that makes it at least the equivalent of Orsinium + Thieves Guild + Shadows of the Hist. If you add the prices of those together it's 37.60 EUR which is close to 40 EUR. And note that's a preorder pacj that includes other items too. And a completely new class and maybe even a general skill line for Morag Tong. In my opinion the price is quite fair.

THIS

30+ hours of content is for new player
Morrow is 1.6 largest than wrothgarr
Morrow has not this kind of content that you described (no trial or dungeons)
Morrow is close to wrothgarr for questing
New skill line does not impact pve/pvp game (will not appear with this chapter)
It is still expensive
It kills eso+ subs

So, i repeat again, be aware.

What?

I expect that, as with Orsinium, the time is estimated based on playing through the content at a casual pace, not just rushing through it.

Where does this x1.6 come from?

What? Morrowind has a trial.

New class is coming this chapter - how does this not affect PvE/P? It'll take a day or so for people to get a max level warden and start using it in end-game.

I'm a sub, always have been, doesn't kill me. Doesn't kill all of the other subs who are fine with it, either. ESO+ remains good value to me based on the perks and the number of hours I put into the game.

Pops_ND_Irish

Patouf wrote: »

MoTeets wrote: »

Patouf wrote: »

40$ = Morrow a bit content for current players =/= eso+ = haters


EDIT : If you can not understand this is because you are not an old player.

I'm an old player. Ill be 61 this year

Unfortunately, you are too old. RIP

Hehe thanks a lot !
Old in age, young at heart
Been playing since nintendo days. 1986 Dragon Warrior

Asardes

Morrowind also introduces a new Trial and PvP mode for you to check out. Enter the Telvanni tower of Tel Fyr with your strongest allies to battle your way through the Halls of Fabrication, and explore a part of the Clockwork City in a challenging new 12-player Trial. Or, you can head to the Ashlands to take on fellow players in exciting 4v4v4 battles in arena-like environments. These highly competitive fast-paced matches will feature your choice in a variety of game types across three different maps.

elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2017/01/31/the-elder-scrolls-online-morrowind--announcement-and-details

Although it's unclear if Tel Fyr and Halls of Fabrication are one and the same content, there's definitely a trial coming. There is the possibility the former is a dungeon and the latter a trial. Why? Because both locations appear in TES3: Morrowind and the expansion Tribunal. While Tel Fyr is located on the Eastern shore of Vvarnenfel, Clockwork City is more or less buried under Mournhold. So it would make sense to have the former as a dungeon on Vvardenfel itself, and the latter as a trial with an entrance in Deshaan, but accessible only to those who have bought the expansion. This is the same way MoL was introduced. It's located in Reaper's March, but only accessible to those who have TG.

Cously

The hate is normal, Morrowind is a darling and people freak out whenever there is a "remake" or so they think.

Asardes

Cously wrote: »

The hate is normal, Morrowind is a darling and people freak out whenever there is a "remake" or so they think.

If people who complained about bad RNG and dodge had played that game, they would be far more tolerant about those aspects in ESO. Shooting that rat 10 times at point blank range and missing each time was so sweet

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Tryxus

It's easier to hate than to look at the bigger picture

Ch4mpTW

Asardes wrote: »

Yep, 40 EUR is not that expensive. A few packs of cigarettes - I quit that a few years back - or a night at the movies. I've bought the upgrade and I'm totally happy about it. The amount of whining about anything on these forums, and the internet in general is ridiculous. People just allow themselves to become spoiled brats, or worse, trolls, when they're anonymous and have 0 responsibility for their actions.

Hmm... If you put it that way, I suppose $40 USD isn't really too ridiculous for the amount of content you're receiving. I mean here in the states, an average experience at the movies (if buying food and snacks there along with tickets) will run you as high as $60+ (movies have gotten super expensive here in America). So all and all, it's not a bad deal at all.

Kodrac

DMuehlhausen

aslan06 wrote: »

So i just saw comment section on new morrowind dlc trailer,and all it's getting is hate.On IGN channel,gamespot,playstaion,and those hate comments getting like 1k likes.Same of facebook,lots of haters coming on offical page.I mean i could understand why if was getting hate on launch,but what's wrong with them now?

On word answer.... Internet

ricam

Hate seems to get more attention. People are negative to be heard. It's usually not the good kid that gets noticed in a crowd. It's the one throwing a temper tantrum in the middle of the mall because his parents wont buy them a pony that everybody looks at.

sadownik

Asardes wrote: »

Well, let's compare to the other DLCs
1) Imperial City base price is 2,500 Crowns, which is equivalent to about 15.90 EUR (full crown price) or 9.50 EUR (discounted crown price)
2) Orsinium base price is 3000 Crowns, which is 19.10 EUR (full) or 11.45 (discounted)
3) Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood base price is 2000 Crowns which is 12.75 EUR (full) or 7.65 (discounted)
4) Shadows of the Hist is base price is 1500 Crowns 9.55 EUR (full) or 5.75 EUR (discounted)

If Morrowind contains a big overland area (about 2x the size of Wrothgar according to datamining), one trial and a maybe couple of group dungeons, that makes it at least the equivalent of Orsinium + Thieves Guild + Shadows of the Hist. If you add the prices of those together it's 37.60 EUR which is close to 40 EUR. And note that's a preorder pacj that includes other items too. And a completely new class and maybe even a general skill line for Morag Tong. In my opinion the price is quite fair.

Sadly for ESO its not the only MMO there, its even not the only b2p MMO out there and comparison what i can get for 40 $ in other titles expansion (chapter, non crown store dlc, whatever) is quite clear.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

While the movie was better if you watch it impaired in some fasion it does have some good points... and the internet hasnt got any better since then.

https://youtu.be/chav14CScR4

The fun part of it is it captures both parts of the extreme. The internet hater, and the person who massively over reacts because they think it actually means something.

Stopnaggin

To the OP's question. It complicated, there's a general breakdown in society. Both parent having to work, no time for real parenting anymore. So now you have people that have grown up without certain values being taught. These people have been put into positions of power ie govt. Now we have laws in place where it becomes illegal to discipline children. Now these children grow up having almost no consequences for their own actions. Then to go to the other extreme we have decided we need to protect everyone's feelings. Participants trophies and such. Which in turn makes kids feel like they are entitled to the same things as everyone else.

Somewhere in society we have lost our core values, been turned into self entitled cowards. All you have to do is look at the news. Colleges having to be shut down to offer counciling because of an election. Supposedly peaceful protest turning into riots. The word no is no longer accepted. If they hear no then we resort to throwing walleyed fits.

We no longer have debates, where another's opinion was respected even if you didint agree with it. Now we have arguments and mud slinging if you don't share my opinion. This is especially true on the internet, where you can hide behind a screen without fear of consequences. I would guarantee that most of these people would not dare say some of the things they do while in the presence of the other party.

Oh just my opinion

DHale

This happens because there is not enough parents spanking their kids. Kids today are soft and spoiled. they use the anonymity of the internet to be mean and bully people. Society... rip.

Tyrion87

Asardes wrote: »

Yep, 40 EUR is not that expensive. A few packs of cigarettes - I quit that a few years back - or a night at the movies. I've bought the upgrade and I'm totally happy about it. The amount of whining about anything on these forums, and the internet in general is ridiculous. People just allow themselves to become spoiled brats, or worse, trolls, when they're anonymous and have 0 responsibility for their actions.

Totally this If I can get a huge expansion like this every year, I will gladly pay for this.

I'm sure if ZOS continued to provide the subscribers with 4 DLCs per year + one expansion per year requiring an additional fee, people would still complain... and people who complain get the most "agrees"...

And what is the most ironic and ridiculous - these people were the first who bought Morrowind and they still "dare" to play the game they hate sooo much

Balamoor

aslan06 wrote: »

So i just saw comment section on new morrowind dlc trailer,and all it's getting is hate.On IGN channel,gamespot,playstaion,and those hate comments getting like 1k likes.Same of facebook,lots of haters coming on offical page.I mean i could understand why if was getting hate on launch,but what's wrong with them now?

Many of them are fanbois of X competing MMO
Many Of them belive that as long as ESO is around TES6 will never happen
And many of them are the same Butthurt whine boxes that spend 12 to 15 hours a day crying about "something" on these forums.

RinaldoGandolphi

The issue is this:

ESO is not really well liked by the majority of TES single player game fans. If it was, the game would still be subbed based because ZOS would 13-14 million paying subs, but that didn't happen. None of my Skyrim friends that i played on Xbox 360 back in 2011 like ESO..they all HATE it...they tried it at launched, trialed it at Tamriel Unlimited, and tried it again at Dark Brotherhood launch. They simply do not like it. Standard TES fans are not an MMO target audience.

I gave ESO the benefit of the doubt. ESO is a decent MMO(my 1st MMO) as an MMO its fun, as an TES game though its easily the worst of the series when compared to Morriwnd, Oblivion and Skyrim because many of the freedoms that made those games what they are simply are not possible in ESO. ESO "evaluated solely as an MMO" is a good game, but evaluating it against the other TES titles it comes out short.

This is not all ESO fault though. Tod Howard made TES games(single player) what they were...no one captures an environment and make its feel real and such like he does...i mean the detail in Fallout 4 is ridiculous...every little light, ***, etc all come to life...as he said at FO4 E3 announcement(Every little tiny detail is worked on and all the little tiny things all come together into something big"

You can see the differences in lighting, artwork, weather, mood, etc between ESO and Howard's games....

ESO is a great game when compared to other MMO as it should not be compared to Howard's games. ESO had a tough act to follow that was impossible really. Todd Howard is the only game director ever to have back, to back, to back, to back Game of the Year Award Winners(Oblivion, Fallout 3, Skryim Fallout 4) No one in ZOS office is even worthy to carry his shoes to the shower for him. He was elected into the Video Game Hall of Fame for petes sake(A feat no one at ZOS will ever even smell let alone touch)

ESO was a victim of Todd Howard's brilliance with Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim. It failed to deliver what the majority of those players of those games expect from an TES Title( a Do whatever you want highly moddable sandbox game)

What Howard makes is very unique in gaming, and he was the 1st to really master the art of open do whatever you want sandboxes with very fleshed out character advancement systems(schools of magic, etc). He was the 1st to really get it right, and ESO doesn't really capture that.

Here is what Howard had to say about MMO themselves

https://www.engadget.com/2011/08/31/bethesdas-todd-howard-not-interested-in-an-elder-scrolls-mmo/

In talking with our sister site Joystiq at PAX, Bethesda's Todd Howard fields the question with blunt honesty. "I like this kind of game better," he said. "You know, it's what most of us are into. I'm not really an MMO guy. I respect them, I look at them, but I don't play them. It feels more real to me when I'm the hero and it's crafted for that. A community aspect to it, I recognize a lot of people would want that in a game like this, but it changes the flavor for me.

As you see Howard pretty much wanted nothing to do with an TES MMO. He wasn't against someone else doing it, but he wasn't going to be working on it. We all know Bethesda has been working on other stuff, the lack of Howard's creative design, art work, fleshed out world, character growth via skills instead of grinding, are missing from ESO compared to Howards titles.

Long story short, the haters want TES6(I want it badly but don't hate ESO) ESO is a good MMO when evaluated as a standalone spinoff, but many don't see it that way.

Balamoor

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

The issue is this:

ESO is not really well liked by the majority of TES single player game fans. If it was, the game would still be subbed based because ZOS would 13-14 million paying subs, but that didn't happen. None of my Skyrim friends that i played on Xbox 360 back in 2011 like ESO..they all HATE it...they tried it at launched, trialed it at Tamriel Unlimited, and tried it again at Dark Brotherhood launch. They simply do not like it. Standard TES fans are not an MMO target audience.

Snip

That was a very insightful honest and accurate explanation. As I said before I have a neighbor who is convinced if he helps ESO fail TES6 will happen faster...it is ludicrous and untrue but you just can't reason with some folks.

I have been playing MMO since the EQ beta, I love the classic ES games they sorta lost me at Morrowind/Oblivion and Skyrim...well it just seemed to attract this toxic community it's only saving grace was they were SP games.

ESO is by far my favorite MMO ever. In many ways it has the vibe of Daggerfall for me especially the story lines.

I get not everyone is going to like a game and there are those that hate games but to spend your days trying to push a developer off a cliff? It just legitimizes all the negative things the public believes about gamers.

Asardes

Well, I didn't like RPGs in the late 1990s and early 2000s - all had clunky, isometric graphics, and most of them were real grindfests. The only exceptions were FO1&2 which I really liked. And then one day in 2003 one of my friends gave me a CD that he received with his new graphics board. I installed, played, and found myself below the deck of a ship, with a guy calling me "Outlander". I didn't stop since then. Somewhere along the road I was surprised to find Fallout too, reborn in a new form.

I didn't like MMOs either. I tried a few, of which I don't even remember the names, but all of them were boring AF, had ugly graphics, and very little real content. They even felt like they were cloned, with really low variety. Until I applied for ESO Beta in late 2013. I played for a few weekends, didn't really like it either, since the game was still pretty underdeveloped back then, but wasn't instant dislike like I felt for the ones before. I came back shortly in the spring of 2015 during a "free weekend" for those who had joined Beta, when I created my first char on live. But I didn't join until the subscription was removed. I played almost every day since I joined in October 2015

So I love TES in general. and I love ESO even more.

Sengra

What does any of that single player RPG stuff have to do with the issue at hand though? This is not about the game, it's about subs, DLCs, expansions, monetization etc.