Best Sorc Tank race?

Vaoh

I'm stuck between Imperial, Nord, and Orc right now for my Sorcerer tank.

Imperial
• 12% Max Health
• 10% Max Stamina
• 10% chance for melee attacks to heal for 6% Max Health

Nord
• 9% Max Health
• 6% Max Stamina
• 2078 Cold Resistance
• 6% Damage Reduction
• 20% Health Recovery

Orc
• 6% Max Health
• 6% Max Stamina
• 5% Healing Recieved
• 4% Melee Attack Damage
• 12% Reduced Sprint cost
• 10% Increased Sprint Speed
• 20% Health Recovery

This would be for both PvP and PvE. Also I will become a Vampire.

I am leaning toward Nord atm because of that damage reduction, but the benefits of being an Imperial (high max stats) or Orc (lots of other bonuses and better damage for Flurry if I backbar it) make it tough to decide.

What do you all think?

Enslaved

I might not be objective, but as a tank, you will spend most of the time blocking, so I would pick Nord. I just adore 6% damage mitigation.

dday3six

The Nord DR doesn't amount to much, it's barely noticeable. The way it's stuck in the damage formula it's not the flat 6% as you'd think it should be.

If you're going to PVP I'd say Orc, their sprint passives are very good there. Otherwise Imp is a solid choice as well.

I'd also throw Redguard in for consideration. AR is still very useful.

Curragraigue

I assume you are just looking for a Stam Sorc Tank based on your post. Keep in mind this re Nord Damage Reduction https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/247387/nord-racial-bugged

I went Orc for my most recent Stam Sorc and it works well for DPS or Tanking. The only other race you might want to consider would be Redguard.

Liofa

Nord damage mitigation bonus is lower than it seems due to diminished returns . Imperial is simply the best for every class . More resources = easier and more effective tanking .

KochDerDamonen

Khajiit :^)

byrdmanwes

I made mine a redgaurd, and by doing so I was able eliminate the need for dark deal

andreasranasen

@Vaoh Is this your mag sorc ur changing or another sorc? I have another sorc on EP I wanna make a tank out of. We could duo and be real annoying to people

Savos_Saren

I actually prefer Khajiit for the higher crit... which equals more heals.

However, from your choices- I'd go with Orc. Also... he'd be hella fast. Pop major expedition with hurricane's minor and Orc's passive...

Vaoh

andreasranasen wrote: »

@Vaoh Is this your mag sorc ur changing or another sorc? I have another sorc on EP I wanna make a tank out of. We could duo and be real annoying to people

Nah not my Mag Sorc. My goal is to have three characters (all Sorcs) to play, with my Mag Sorc being my main.

Atm I have two Sorcs: my main Altmer Mag Sorc I always use and an Imperial Sorc. The Imperial Sorc used to my tank but looked ugly asf since that's what Vampirism does to you, so I converted her into a Stam Sorc.

Now I need to create my third character which will be a true Sorc Tank. Already deleted a Lvl 50 Stamplar so there's no going back lol.

Also I'm a Daggerfall Covenant player on all characters so yeah idk about doing that. Still you may find me negating for a group of AP farmers to get my Vigor/Caltrops in the future

andreasranasen

Vaoh wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

@Vaoh Is this your mag sorc ur changing or another sorc? I have another sorc on EP I wanna make a tank out of. We could duo and be real annoying to people

Nah not my Mag Sorc. My goal is to have three characters (all Sorcs) to play, with my Mag Sorc being my main.

Atm I have two Sorcs: my main Altmer Mag Sorc I always use and an Imperial Sorc. The Imperial Sorc used to my tank but looked ugly asf since that's what Vampirism does to you, so I converted her into a Stam Sorc.

Now I need to create my third character which will be a true Sorc Tank. Already deleted a Lvl 50 Stamplar so there's no going back lol.

Also I'm a Daggerfall Covenant player on all characters so yeah idk about doing that. Still you may find me negating for a group of AP farmers to get my Vigor/Caltrops in the future

Boo u! They need to add alliance change already

Vaoh

dday3six wrote: »

The Nord DR doesn't amount to much, it's barely noticeable. The way it's stuck in the damage formula it's not the flat 6% as you'd think it should be.

If you're going to PVP I'd say Orc, their sprint passives are very good there. Otherwise Imp is a solid choice as well.

I'd also throw Redguard in for consideration. AR is still very useful.

Liofa wrote: »

Nord damage mitigation bonus is lower than it seems due to diminished returns . Imperial is simply the best for every class . More resources = easier and more effective tanking .

This is unfortunate to hear Tyvm for bringing this to my attention before I made a mistake!

Still I can't help but feel a bit sad that I'll miss out on the 20% Health Recovery.... normally that'd be totally useless but I was thinking about using Troll King to provide DPS in trials with a powerful HoT via Echoing Vigor. A 20% Health Recovery buff would be noticeable on my own character when Troll King is applied.

Now I gotta choose between Imperial and Orc.... Imperial may be the better choice as it'll be mainly for PvE. This is a tough decision lol.

Fodore

Orc!

Vaoh

andreasranasen wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

@Vaoh Is this your mag sorc ur changing or another sorc? I have another sorc on EP I wanna make a tank out of. We could duo and be real annoying to people

Nah not my Mag Sorc. My goal is to have three characters (all Sorcs) to play, with my Mag Sorc being my main.

Atm I have two Sorcs: my main Altmer Mag Sorc I always use and an Imperial Sorc. The Imperial Sorc used to my tank but looked ugly asf since that's what Vampirism does to you, so I converted her into a Stam Sorc.

Now I need to create my third character which will be a true Sorc Tank. Already deleted a Lvl 50 Stamplar so there's no going back lol.

Also I'm a Daggerfall Covenant player on all characters so yeah idk about doing that. Still you may find me negating for a group of AP farmers to get my Vigor/Caltrops in the future

Boo u! They need to add alliance change already

Join DC! We have the best Manor

Liofa

Vaoh wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

The Nord DR doesn't amount to much, it's barely noticeable. The way it's stuck in the damage formula it's not the flat 6% as you'd think it should be.

If you're going to PVP I'd say Orc, their sprint passives are very good there. Otherwise Imp is a solid choice as well.

I'd also throw Redguard in for consideration. AR is still very useful.

Liofa wrote: »

Nord damage mitigation bonus is lower than it seems due to diminished returns . Imperial is simply the best for every class . More resources = easier and more effective tanking .

This is unfortunate to hear Tyvm for bringing this to my attention before I made a mistake!

Still I can't help but feel a bit sad that I'll miss out on the 20% Health Recovery.... normally that'd be totally useless but I was thinking about using Troll King to provide DPS in trials with a powerful HoT via Echoing Vigor. A 20% Health Recovery buff would be noticeable on my own character when Troll King is applied.

Now I gotta choose between Imperial and Orc.... Imperial may be the better choice as it'll be mainly for PvE. This is a tough decision lol.

You probably want to be a Vampire though . 10% Magicka Recovery is nice and Undeath passive is amazing . Saved me lots of times even though it gets it's share from diminishing returns as well .

Vaoh

Liofa wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

The Nord DR doesn't amount to much, it's barely noticeable. The way it's stuck in the damage formula it's not the flat 6% as you'd think it should be.

If you're going to PVP I'd say Orc, their sprint passives are very good there. Otherwise Imp is a solid choice as well.

I'd also throw Redguard in for consideration. AR is still very useful.

Liofa wrote: »

Nord damage mitigation bonus is lower than it seems due to diminished returns . Imperial is simply the best for every class . More resources = easier and more effective tanking .

This is unfortunate to hear Tyvm for bringing this to my attention before I made a mistake!

Still I can't help but feel a bit sad that I'll miss out on the 20% Health Recovery.... normally that'd be totally useless but I was thinking about using Troll King to provide DPS in trials with a powerful HoT via Echoing Vigor. A 20% Health Recovery buff would be noticeable on my own character when Troll King is applied.

Now I gotta choose between Imperial and Orc.... Imperial may be the better choice as it'll be mainly for PvE. This is a tough decision lol.

You probably want to be a Vampire though . 10% Magicka Recovery is nice and Undeath passive is amazing . Saved me lots of times even though it gets it's share from diminishing returns as well .

Oh I will lol. No worries there. My build will be very unorthodox. It is essentially a PvP Negate Tank like Fengrush's.

I adopted his build because it was highly effective and then turned it into a PvE build. Move around sets, a couple skills, and just like that vDSA is very easy to tank.

Orginially I used his build for small group PvP, but after quitting that style of play (and mostly PvP in general) I couldn't help but want to make it work in PvE with a few adjustments.

Vaoh

@Woeler gotta tag you cause you PROBABLY know how to tank a bit

Woeler

Imperial is the best choice. Orc health recovery is useless as tanks should be vampires.

Enslaved

Woeler wrote: »

tanks should be vampires.

Even stamina sorc tanks? Do you keep it at stage 3?

Vaoh

Woeler wrote: »

Imperial is the best choice. Orc health recovery is useless as tanks should be vampires.

Wow. How did I forget about that Vamp debuff -_-

Ty for the feedback. I'm def going Imperial now. The extra resources will be very helpful.

Katinas

You cannot go wrong with an Imperial.
And don't listen to bad tanks who say Nord damage reduction passive is useless. Zero is useless, nothing is useless, none is useless. Not having a skillpoint invested in a passive is useless, not having a skill slotted is useless. 6 % is not useless, 3% is not useless, 0% however is truly useless.

xRIVALENx

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Khajiit :^)

Always go with the Khajiit! Critical chance coupled with hurricane and critical surge is excellent for sustaining health.

cbaudersub17_ESO

Even as stamina-based sorcerer tank, magica (via recovery) can fuel a stamina making engine. On top of the vampire passives, Altmer is another nice bump to magica recovery.

Sovaso

Sorc tank? U must be joking right?

Vaoh

Sovaso wrote: »

Sorc tank? U must be joking right?

Not really Sorc tanks are OP in PvP as Negate builds and easy to use for all PvE content except maybe Vet trials, which I have only ever DPSed.

You don't sound like you're very knowledgeable about this game.

Tonturri

For my stam sorc tank I went Khajiit. Magicka - I used Altmer.

psychotic13

Vaoh wrote: »

Sovaso wrote: »

Sorc tank? U must be joking right?

Not really Sorc tanks are OP in PvP as Negate builds and easy to use for all PvE content except maybe Vet trials, which I have only ever DPSed.

You don't sound like you're very knowledgeable about this game.

Sorc tanks are very good if in the right hands, and with @Vaoh being able to solo vet ICP, WGT and CoS I think he'll be more than capable.

Sigtric

Vaoh wrote: »

I'm stuck between Imperial, Nord, and Orc right now for my Sorcerer tank.

Imperial
• 12% Max Health
• 10% Max Stamina
• 10% chance for melee attacks to heal for 6% Max Health

Nord
• 9% Max Health
• 6% Max Stamina
• 2078 Cold Resistance
• 6% Damage Reduction
• 20% Health Recovery

Orc
• 6% Max Health
• 6% Max Stamina
• 5% Healing Recieved
• 4% Melee Attack Damage
• 12% Reduced Sprint cost
• 10% Increased Sprint Speed
• 20% Health Recovery

This would be for both PvP and PvE. Also I will become a Vampire.

I am leaning toward Nord atm because of that damage reduction, but the benefits of being an Imperial (high max stats) or Orc (lots of other bonuses and better damage for Flurry if I backbar it) make it tough to decide.

What do you all think?

My Stamsorc is a nord and is pretty much complete beast. The damage reduction paired with the health recovery is awesome.

Vaoh

psychotic13 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Sovaso wrote: »

Sorc tank? U must be joking right?

Not really Sorc tanks are OP in PvP as Negate builds and easy to use for all PvE content except maybe Vet trials, which I have only ever DPSed.

You don't sound like you're very knowledgeable about this game.

Sorc tanks are very good if in the right hands, and with @Vaoh being able to solo vet ICP, WGT and CoS I think he'll be more than capable.

Ty!

Vaoh

Sigtric wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

I'm stuck between Imperial, Nord, and Orc right now for my Sorcerer tank.

Imperial
• 12% Max Health
• 10% Max Stamina
• 10% chance for melee attacks to heal for 6% Max Health

Nord
• 9% Max Health
• 6% Max Stamina
• 2078 Cold Resistance
• 6% Damage Reduction
• 20% Health Recovery

Orc
• 6% Max Health
• 6% Max Stamina
• 5% Healing Recieved
• 4% Melee Attack Damage
• 12% Reduced Sprint cost
• 10% Increased Sprint Speed
• 20% Health Recovery

This would be for both PvP and PvE. Also I will become a Vampire.

I am leaning toward Nord atm because of that damage reduction, but the benefits of being an Imperial (high max stats) or Orc (lots of other bonuses and better damage for Flurry if I backbar it) make it tough to decide.

What do you all think?

My Stamsorc is a nord and is pretty much complete beast. The damage reduction paired with the health recovery is awesome.

I'm hearing the Nord 6% damage reduction sums up to a bit above 3% though when the game calculates it.

Definitely a good tanking race, but I have to weigh the benefits of Orcs and Imperials in as well.

Truthfully no matter which of the three races I choose I won't be going too wrong.

dday3six

Katinas wrote: »

You cannot go wrong with an Imperial.
And don't listen to bad tanks who say Nord damage reduction passive is useless. Zero is useless, nothing is useless, none is useless. Not having a skillpoint invested in a passive is useless, not having a skill slotted is useless. 6 % is not useless, 3% is not useless, 0% however is truly useless.

Obviously it is not useless. It is simply not as good in practice as it is on paper.