Least favorite / most ill-fitting crafting style?

RealLifeRedguard

A lot of the armor in ESO is not only aesthetically pleasing, but fits the race in question perfectly. However, I think we can all agree that some are better than others.

Which ones would you like to see changed? What do you dislike about them? What would you improve?

For me, I absolutely despise the altmer light and medium styles:




I honestly for the life of me can't figure out what ZOS was thinking. Why did they consciously add the clumsy, ugly stitching all over the armor? What's the rationale for this? Is it meant to imply that the altmer are poor tailors or don't care for aesthetics?

To be fair we have almost no reference for what altmer clothing is supposed to look like, aside from three previous examples, the first of which has likely been retconned with most of the PGE1 era lore:






I was also completely disappointed with the dunmer armor styles:





It looks completely inconsistent from everything we've ever seen from the dunmer. What happened to netch leather, bonemold, and chitin? What happened to the organic shapes and bizarre helmets? The goggles and scarves and gems?









Only the heavy armor resembles anything close to the armor styles seen in Morrowind and Skyrim, and even that looks ugly as all hell. I still dont understand why they decided to make the ordinator face-masks square and chunky as opposed to the original design.




I can totally live without the cluttered, layered look of the artwork shown above (that would take a lot of physics and processing power, and even morrowind toned it down a bit) but I'm honestly not sure why ZOS decided to make the dunmer armor so fundamentally different from what we've seen in previous games, not to mention fundamentally dull and boring.

So what crafting style do you dislike the most? How would you improve upon it?

LadyNalcarya

I agree! I really loved Ordinator armor design in Morrowind... Especially Hand of Almalexia style, it was very intricate and stylish, despite low res textures. In ESO, Ordinators look quite underwhelming.

And those horrible giant stitches or Altmer armor... Like, what the hell? It looks like whoever made those outfits never tried to sew anything before.
I also dont like Redguard light armor redesign. It looks bland, and also kinda impractical: who would wear that leather apron thingy in a desert? I still miss my old redguard robe, imo it was the most elegant of the old designs... And now its basically a leather apron+T-shirt.

RealLifeRedguard

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

I agree! I really loved Ordinator armor design in Morrowind... Especially Hand of Almalexia style, it was very intricate and stylish, despite low res textures. In ESO, Ordinators look quite underwhelming.

And those horrible giant stitches or Altmer armor... Like, what the hell? It looks like whoever made those outfits never tried to sew anything before.
I also dont like Redguard light armor redesign. It looks bland, and also kinda impractical: who would wear that leather apron thingy in a desert? I still miss my old redguard robe, imo it was the most elegant of the old designs... And now its basically a leather apron+T-shirt.

Did they ever explain what the hell that redesign was about? Was an announced thing or was it completely random?

LadyNalcarya

RealLifeRedguard wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

I agree! I really loved Ordinator armor design in Morrowind... Especially Hand of Almalexia style, it was very intricate and stylish, despite low res textures. In ESO, Ordinators look quite underwhelming.

And those horrible giant stitches or Altmer armor... Like, what the hell? It looks like whoever made those outfits never tried to sew anything before.
I also dont like Redguard light armor redesign. It looks bland, and also kinda impractical: who would wear that leather apron thingy in a desert? I still miss my old redguard robe, imo it was the most elegant of the old designs... And now its basically a leather apron+T-shirt.

Did they ever explain what the hell that redesign was about? Was an announced thing or was it completely random?

Well it was included in 1.6 (I think?) patch and was still pushed despite lots of negative feedback.
Presumably it was "too sexy" since orc heavy armor's boob window was removed in the same patch.

Dracindo

Every female style that doesn't show enough skin.
#MMOLogics

LadyNalcarya

Googled for a few pics of the old redguard style and found something that makes me cringe every time. The "revamped" Seadrake costume!
Just look at that:

And a few more before/after pics, found in google images:

I hate this change so much. Even though I dont wear any redguard style items, seeing npcs wearing "revamped" clothes is cringeworthy.

Cadbury

It's not on one particular style, but in general I really dislike the floating shoulder and hip pads seen on many armor types and costumes.

RealLifeRedguard

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Googled for a few pics of the old redguard style and found something that makes me cringe every time. The "revamped" Seadrake costume!
Just look at that:

And a few more before/after pics, found in google images:

I hate this change so much. Even though I dont wear any redguard style items, seeing npcs wearing "revamped" clothes is cringeworthy.

Really though, has ZOS ever addressed this change? Was it random or was it announced? I honestly don't understand why they did this. Does anyone have an idea?

Cloudless

RealLifeRedguard wrote: »

A lot of the armor in ESO is not only aesthetically pleasing, but fits the race in question perfectly. However, I think we can all agree that some are better than others.

Which ones would you like to see changed? What do you dislike about them? What would you improve?

For me, I absolutely despise the altmer light and medium styles:




I honestly for the life of me can't figure out what ZOS was thinking. Why did they consciously add the clumsy, ugly stitching all over the armor? What's the rationale for this? Is it meant to imply that the altmer are poor tailors or don't care for aesthetics?

To be fair we have almost no reference for what altmer clothing is supposed to look like, aside from three previous examples, the first of which has likely been retconned with most of the PGE1 era lore:






I was also completely disappointed with the dunmer armor styles:





It looks completely inconsistent from everything we've ever seen from the dunmer. What happened to netch leather, bonemold, and chitin? What happened to the organic shapes and bizarre helmets? The goggles and scarves and gems?









Only the heavy armor resembles anything close to the armor styles seen in Morrowind and Skyrim, and even that looks ugly as all hell. I still dont understand why they decided to make the ordinator face-masks square and chunky as opposed to the original design.




I can totally live without the cluttered, layered look of the artwork shown above (that would take a lot of physics and processing power, and even morrowind toned it down a bit) but I'm honestly not sure why ZOS decided to make the dunmer armor so fundamentally different from what we've seen in previous games, not to mention fundamentally dull and boring.

So what crafting style do you dislike the most? How would you improve upon it?

This. So much of this.

KochDerDamonen

Hallowjack/Dro'mathra. Personal miff with glowing armor.

Racial-wise? I think I dislike Nord the most, the pointy bits ended up a bit too... exaggerated, imo.

Enslaved

About lack of organic Dunmer styles - I do hope we see these in Vvardenfell DLC, since these styles were much more tied to that island afaik. Also, many armor sets in game look as utter bs if your char is lean and of fragile constitution. I guess you need to pump some iron to these twigs you call arms, lol.

Faulgor

I think all base race styles are lackluster. They are from a time in the development of ESO when armor wasn't that great to begin with. As ZOS in general doesn't really like replacing old things (and some people might actually like the base styles), I think the best solution would be to add a advanced / premium style for each race. They could be added as world boss drops in the respective zones, or as a reward for a new arena type gameplay in upcoming DLC, for example.
Just go at the base races with a fresh look and all that the art team has learned since the release of the game. I think they could do something great here, especially when they take the sources the OP posted into consideration.

RealLifeRedguard

Enslaved wrote: »

About lack of organic Dunmer styles - I do hope we see these in Vvardenfell DLC, since these styles were much more tied to that island afaik. Also, many armor sets in game look as utter bs if your char is lean and of fragile constitution. I guess you need to pump some iron to these twigs you call arms, lol.

Except they weren't tied to the island at all. They were tied to the respective houses and the general dunmer style. I fully accept not having a seperate house style at launch, but what we got honestly looks nothing like anything

WuffyCerulei

The Stalhrim Frostcaller style had so much potential to be as awesome as the Skyrim version, which is:


But instead we got some dinky armor style that only have the weapons look cools, and that's it.

ArchMikem

Hate to say it, but the Khajiit style. The elbow guards, shoulders, thigh guards and knee guards are ATROCIOUS.

Tyrion87

I'm not sure whether it's my least favourite style but definitely it's the one I was disappointed the most: Dro-m'Athra.
It just looks so cheap and trashy... As much as I love glowing/animated things, this style is miserable.

altemriel

worst is the daedric motif, compared to the one in Skyrim or previous TES games, I rather will not post the screenshots

Asardes

Well, there are premium styles for some races:
- Ancient Elf, as ancestors of both Dark Elves and High Elves (possible Maormer too, since they seem to wear mostly that style)
- Yokudan and Ra Gaga as ancient Redguard
- Ancient Orc
- Xyvkin as a more refine Daedric, though the former is actually closer to the Daedric in previous ESO games
- Draugr as ancient Nord
- Dro-m'Athra as "corrupted" Khajiit
- Mazzatun as "primitive" Argonian

Phinix1

RealLifeRedguard wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Googled for a few pics of the old redguard style and found something that makes me cringe every time. The "revamped" Seadrake costume!
Just look at that:

And a few more before/after pics, found in google images:

I hate this change so much. Even though I dont wear any redguard style items, seeing npcs wearing "revamped" clothes is cringeworthy.

Really though, has ZOS ever addressed this change? Was it random or was it announced? I honestly don't understand why they did this. Does anyone have an idea?

I think ZOS fell into the trap of chasing the current Political Correctness fads and were afraid that sexy = offensive.

It really is past time we all MOVE THE HECK ON and revert this terrible trend of boxy bland and boring female armor.

Functional is one thing. Walking refrigerator is another.

Case in point, my answer to the OP: Light armor Pact:



THAT is supposed to be FEMALE?!? I am disgusted every time I see this travesty.

RealLifeRedguard

Phinix1 wrote: »

RealLifeRedguard wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Googled for a few pics of the old redguard style and found something that makes me cringe every time. The "revamped" Seadrake costume!
Just look at that:

And a few more before/after pics, found in google images:

I hate this change so much. Even though I dont wear any redguard style items, seeing npcs wearing "revamped" clothes is cringeworthy.

Really though, has ZOS ever addressed this change? Was it random or was it announced? I honestly don't understand why they did this. Does anyone have an idea?

I think ZOS fell into the trap of chasing the current Political Correctness fads and were afraid that sexy = offensive.

It really is past time we all MOVE THE HECK ON and revert this terrible trend of boxy bland and boring female armor.

Functional is one thing. Walking refrigerator is another.

Except argonian clothing is still skimpy, and have you seen the crown store lately?

LuminaLilly

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Googled for a few pics of the old redguard style and found something that makes me cringe every time. The "revamped" Seadrake costume!
Just look at that:

And a few more before/after pics, found in google images:

I hate this change so much. Even though I dont wear any redguard style items, seeing npcs wearing "revamped" clothes is cringeworthy.

Lol I loved it too, sadly [snip] demanded a change saying it's too revealing

[Edit for Politics]

KochDerDamonen

Phinix1 wrote: »

RealLifeRedguard wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Googled for a few pics of the old redguard style and found something that makes me cringe every time. The "revamped" Seadrake costume!
Just look at that:

And a few more before/after pics, found in google images:

I hate this change so much. Even though I dont wear any redguard style items, seeing npcs wearing "revamped" clothes is cringeworthy.

Really though, has ZOS ever addressed this change? Was it random or was it announced? I honestly don't understand why they did this. Does anyone have an idea?

I think ZOS fell into the trap of chasing the current Political Correctness fads and were afraid that sexy = offensive.

It really is past time we all MOVE THE HECK ON and revert this terrible trend of boxy bland and boring female armor.

Functional is one thing. Walking refrigerator is another.

THAT is supposed to be FEMALE?!? I am disgusted every time I see this travesty.

They absolutely should fix the grossly ill-fitting armors, but I'm also quite happy that they removed boob windows from HEAVY armor. Dead does not equal sexy.

Cadbury

RealLifeRedguard wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

RealLifeRedguard wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Googled for a few pics of the old redguard style and found something that makes me cringe every time. The "revamped" Seadrake costume!
Just look at that:

And a few more before/after pics, found in google images:

I hate this change so much. Even though I dont wear any redguard style items, seeing npcs wearing "revamped" clothes is cringeworthy.

Really though, has ZOS ever addressed this change? Was it random or was it announced? I honestly don't understand why they did this. Does anyone have an idea?

I think ZOS fell into the trap of chasing the current Political Correctness fads and were afraid that sexy = offensive.

It really is past time we all MOVE THE HECK ON and revert this terrible trend of boxy bland and boring female armor.

Functional is one thing. Walking refrigerator is another.

Except argonian clothing is still skimpy, and have you seen the crown store lately?

To be fair, Argonian clothes being skimpy is probably due to the fact that female Argonians are known to be lusty.

Phinix1

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

RealLifeRedguard wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Googled for a few pics of the old redguard style and found something that makes me cringe every time. The "revamped" Seadrake costume!
Just look at that:

And a few more before/after pics, found in google images:

I hate this change so much. Even though I dont wear any redguard style items, seeing npcs wearing "revamped" clothes is cringeworthy.

Really though, has ZOS ever addressed this change? Was it random or was it announced? I honestly don't understand why they did this. Does anyone have an idea?

I think ZOS fell into the trap of chasing the current Political Correctness fads and were afraid that sexy = offensive.

It really is past time we all MOVE THE HECK ON and revert this terrible trend of boxy bland and boring female armor.

Functional is one thing. Walking refrigerator is another.

THAT is supposed to be FEMALE?!? I am disgusted every time I see this travesty.

They absolutely should fix the grossly ill-fitting armors, but I'm also quite happy that they removed boob windows from HEAVY armor. Dead does not equal sexy.

Female pact was release what, a YEAR ago?

There was a lot of talk at the time about fixing it due to the outrage but I guess "No ETA" equals NEVER.

KochDerDamonen

Phinix1 wrote: »

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

RealLifeRedguard wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Googled for a few pics of the old redguard style and found something that makes me cringe every time. The "revamped" Seadrake costume!
Just look at that:

And a few more before/after pics, found in google images:

I hate this change so much. Even though I dont wear any redguard style items, seeing npcs wearing "revamped" clothes is cringeworthy.

Really though, has ZOS ever addressed this change? Was it random or was it announced? I honestly don't understand why they did this. Does anyone have an idea?

I think ZOS fell into the trap of chasing the current Political Correctness fads and were afraid that sexy = offensive.

It really is past time we all MOVE THE HECK ON and revert this terrible trend of boxy bland and boring female armor.

Functional is one thing. Walking refrigerator is another.

THAT is supposed to be FEMALE?!? I am disgusted every time I see this travesty.

They absolutely should fix the grossly ill-fitting armors, but I'm also quite happy that they removed boob windows from HEAVY armor. Dead does not equal sexy.

Female pact was release what, a YEAR ago?

There was a lot of talk at the time about fixing it due to the outrage but I guess "No ETA" equals NEVER.

No ETA is a good way to summarize anything that's not crown store related

unjulationb16_ESO

I'm redguard and I absolutely hate their armour style

Asardes

Armor in games would be completely non-functional IRL. Real medieval and early modern armor, even if richly decorated, like the surviving examples that were used by kings and nobles of that period are very sturdy and lack ornaments that could snag or deflect enemy blows towards the vulnerable parts, like the neck and joints. And "windows" would be a total no-no since it would make the whole plating useless.

Phinix1

Asardes wrote: »

Armor in games would be completely non-functional IRL. Real medieval and early modern armor, even if richly decorated, like the surviving examples that were used by kings and nobles of that period are very sturdy and lack ornaments that could snag or deflect enemy blows towards the vulnerable parts, like the neck and joints. And "windows" would be a total no-no since it would make the whole plating useless.

It's people like you that are the reason we now have refrigerator female armor! :P

No offense intended, but it's a game. It is supposed to be FANTASY. Show me a real life mage hurling magical lightning from their fingers and then I'll listen to this argument for realism in a fantasy world.

Otherwise let me keep my good looking armor and keep your drab refrigerator shaped blarney at Renn Faire!

(Note to moderators: This was said in a humorous and friendly tone).

Enslaved

unjulationb16_ESO wrote: »

I'm redguard and I absolutely hate their armour style

Im sorry, mate, but that is 100% an Altmer lol.

NewBlacksmurf

The new Redguard light armor chest

makeyurself

I don't like the faction armor at all. I was really excited for them too. Also FLAPS on everything, FLAPS everywhere. Exaggerated FLAPS for FLAPPINGS SAKE! Hide flaps options please.