Lets not stop there.. Helra exploit revealed

OrphanHelgen

Since apparently fixing chair bugs in housing are prioritised in this game, I don't know if this will make things happening or not, but lets give it a shot.
First of all, I havent tried this myself, so I cant confirm it works, but it makes sense after I heard about it.

On the right side of veteran helra, the 2nd boss:
The boss make these copy clones of itself. These clones take increased dmg, and after a few hits you will be able to tell which one is real or not.
Usually the dps is insane on this boss because of this, but it is fake dps since its from the clones. Numbers like 200-300k dps are common, and I have seen peek of 600k.

Anyway, this is not the exploit. The exploit starts the moment you stack them all together with the real boss, and heavy attack the clones with a lightning staff.
For those not familiar with what happends when you do that, the passive from heavy attacking a mob with the lightning staff, makes an explotion that does 100% of the dmg delt in aoe.
This aoe will be an insane number since the clones already take increase dmg in the first place, making the main boss take the increased dmg as well.

This wont affect score this much, since you have to wait for the left side anyway. This exploit, together with double mundus, vmol out of map, guild store eploit, infinite ultimate etc are just sad to hear about. I personally have never used any exploit in this game, and would like to add I pull more dps then the losers who have to get an additional mundus without TBS to pull some decent numbers. I also have better score in trials compared to those casual-newbies-refuse-to-l2p-complains-about-animation-cancel-and-rng-breaking-the-game losers who exploit stuff like this.


To the developers:
I understand looking at the money income from crown store are too good to be true, and to make end game content work doesnt give you as much. I understand that the casual gamers are just too many in this game, where logging in for social, writs and a non dlc pledge for fun because slotting destro ult on mobs with increase spell dmg from group tool are fun to watch. I do understand that by releasing housing can make you go wild on the crown store market, without being blamed to use pay to win, since this has nothing to do with leaderboards or pvp. But is it worth ruining a good name and reputation for this? Is it so hard to fix and reprogram those silly stuff?

I know many thinks we should just report it and shut up, but there is people filling up the report lists with unnecessary crap, and I believe they dont see them anyway. My latest report got an automessage as answer, and the next day when the final answer came, it was exact copy paste of the autoanswer.

Bring server down and hotfix piece of *** like this, and I will personal recommend this game to a few very loyal gamers friends of mine, and I will personally buy crown crates for 100 euro as a support from me.

New dragon blood is broken combined with igneous shield, there you go. Have a nice day

Lukums1

EDIT: for incriminating evidence

Really...

Jeez.

UrQuan

Hmm, I would say that I'm on the fence as to whether that should be considered an exploit or a smart tactic... Except that it wouldn't have been possible when Hel Ra was introduced because I'm fairly sure lightning staves didn't do that then (someone can correct me if I'm wrong - I actually never used to use lightning staves), so it's something they couldn't have foreseen at the time, let alone intended. And I'm fairly sure that there isn't any other fight in the game where this would work, so I highly doubt it was something they considered when balancing the lightning staff version of that passive.

So yeah, sounds like an exploit to me.

Lukums1

It's an exploit... it's a very clever one at that... still because this exists (score runs) can't really be taken seriously...however last boss hm is no joke so credit where it's due I suppose?

DKsUnite

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

New dragon blood is broken combined with igneous shield, there you go. Have a nice day

Dont you dare talk about dragon blood when we finally get a working heal.... from the numbers I am hearing it's like breath of life but only for you.

hedna123b14_ESO

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Since apparently fixing chair bugs in housing are prioritised in this game, I don't know if this will make things happening or not, but lets give it a shot.
First of all, I havent tried this myself, so I cant confirm it works, but it makes sense after I heard about it.

On the right side of veteran helra, the 2nd boss:
The boss make these copy clones of itself. These clones take increased dmg, and after a few hits you will be able to tell which one is real or not.
Usually the dps is insane on this boss because of this, but it is fake dps since its from the clones. Numbers like 200-300k dps are common, and I have seen peek of 600k.

Anyway, this is not the exploit. The exploit starts the moment you stack them all together with the real boss, and heavy attack the clones with a lightning staff.
For those not familiar with what happends when you do that, the passive from heavy attacking a mob with the lightning staff, makes an explotion that does 100% of the dmg delt in aoe.
This aoe will be an insane number since the clones already take increase dmg in the first place, making the main boss take the increased dmg as well.

This wont affect score this much, since you have to wait for the left side anyway. This exploit, together with double mundus, vmol out of map, guild store eploit, infinite ultimate etc are just sad to hear about. I personally have never used any exploit in this game, and would like to add I pull more dps then the losers who have to get an additional mundus without TBS to pull some decent numbers. I also have better score in trials compared to those casual-newbies-refuse-to-l2p-complains-about-animation-cancel-and-rng-breaking-the-game losers who exploit stuff like this.


To the developers:
I understand looking at the money income from crown store are too good to be true, and to make end game content work doesnt give you as much. I understand that the casual gamers are just too many in this game, where logging in for social, writs and a non dlc pledge for fun because slotting destro ult on mobs with increase spell dmg from group tool are fun to watch. I do understand that by releasing housing can make you go wild on the crown store market, without being blamed to use pay to win, since this has nothing to do with leaderboards or pvp. But is it worth ruining a good name and reputation for this? Is it so hard to fix and reprogram those silly stuff?

I know many thinks we should just report it and shut up, but there is people filling up the report lists with unnecessary crap, and I believe they dont see them anyway. My latest report got an automessage as answer, and the next day when the final answer came, it was exact copy paste of the autoanswer.

Bring server down and hotfix piece of *** like this, and I will personal recommend this game to a few very loyal gamers friends of mine, and I will personally buy crown crates for 100 euro as a support from me.

New dragon blood is broken combined with igneous shield, there you go. Have a nice day

Not an exploit...

Riejael

I'm going to have to quote Daybreak/SOE/Verant/989 Studios on this one:

"Clever use of game mechanics."

Should it be patched? Sure if it trivializes the boss.. It doesn't sound intended for that boss either. But definitely not a bannable offense. Extra damage + 100% AOE effect damage sounds like a decent plan.

hedna123b14_ESO

Riejael wrote: »

I'm going to have to quote Daybreak/SOE/Verant/989 Studios on this one:

"Clever use of game mechanics."

Should it be patched? Sure if it trivializes the boss.. It doesn't sound intended for that boss either. But definitely not a bannable offense. Extra damage + 100% AOE effect damage sounds like a decent plan.

Agree 100% it definitely should be patched, but an unintended use of game mechanics is definitely not an explot in my mind...

Turelus

Generally exploits are making use of mechanics/bugs which are not working as intended.

This seems kind of like it's an edge case of mechanics working as intended but a monster's special ability making it better than it should be. I guess it's up to ZOS where the call it on this one.

I would imagine they might want to patch it just to bring the boss back into the gameplay they intended for it.

TARAFRAKA

That is literally a clever strat...not an exploit. Double mundus without twice born IS an exploit.
But using a lightning staff...to do increased damage as intended as an AOE...in a boss fight with adds....nope not an exploit. Requires positioning and coordination as well as execution from you tank and team like any other strat. You arent glitching the boss so he doesnt fight back or the grouo cant take damage etc.
That is literally using an aoe effect to...dun duh dun...DO AOE.
Move along, nothing to see here...

GeneralPardon

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

That is literally a clever strat...not an exploit. Double mundus without twice born IS an exploit.
But using a lightning staff...to do increased damage as intended as an AOE...in a boss fight with adds....nope not an exploit. Requires positioning and coordination as well as execution from you tank and team like any other strat. You arent glitching the boss so he doesnt fight back or the grouo cant take damage etc.
That is literally using an aoe effect to...dun duh dun...DO AOE.
Move along, nothing to see here...

It might not be directly an exploit, it is for sure an unintended/unwanted side effect from the passive. And therefor needs to be fixed

bitels

Stacking everything for better DPS int an exploit, but from what i understand you can kill main boss at the same time the first spawn of clones dies? Just by heavy attacking ads and letting real boss take insane amount of dmg from splash?
Then i say it is an exploit and should be fixed ASAP

pattyLtd

Off-topic: Is the bug of the not respawning boss on left side fixed yet btw?

Woeler

This needs to be fixed. But it's a very clever one, I'll give em that.

FloppyTouch

DKsUnite wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

New dragon blood is broken combined with igneous shield, there you go. Have a nice day

Dont you dare talk about dragon blood when we finally get a working heal.... from the numbers I am hearing it's like breath of life but only for you.

This is now a nerf dragon blood thread! Ready set go

DRXHarbinger

Can't be an exploit as there is no way to stop it. My magdk sits at the gate behind and does the deep breath+woe and heavy attack spam with a lit staff and it lights them all up. Given they can't be chained and you have no tank up there it's quite tricky to actually work and get it 100% everytime.

Shad0wfire99

That's not an exploit. An exploit would be if you maybe took off all your gear and got killed so fast that she ended up stuck in her animation, and no longer summoned any clones at all. Just sayin'.

Wolfkeks

Mmh didn't hear about that one. I'm not sure if this an exploit but ZOS should have a look at it.

The only exploit I know about in vet HelRa is where you can skip the second boss left hand side due to a bug and a not working wall. Similar to the MoL bug that was fixed yesterday.

But again, best thing ZOS can do right now is to have a look at it and decide if it's an exploit or not and patch it up.

SolarCat02

Both the left and right bosses are bugged.

Left/Downstairs, if you wipe, the boss doesn't respond for another go.
Right/Upstairs, the boss sometimes gets stuck on the floor and no longer does any mechanics or attacks, and can just be taken out with no fear of retaliation.

The first is easy to reproduce. Just wipe.

The second... I have seen it happen five times so far, in different parts of the room, but always by accident and after several wipes. No idea if it's possible to glitch on purpose, or what sets it off to begin with. It's happened in groups of all magicka, and also groups where my healer was the only one who wasn't stamina (and I was too busy healing to do attacks at the time), so not related to weapon types.


Oh, then the issue where if someone in the right/upstairs group logs off or disconnects while upstairs and the group kicks them, they continue to count towards the group so the door will close after five people. If you disconnect while upstairs and log back in as soon as you can you load in upstairs, while you load in outside of Hel Ra Citadel if you disconnect from anywhere else in the Trial, so I am sure those are related.