Z you have outdone your self in terms of Greed - I'll never buy a useless Crown Crate!!!!

kamimark

While using my otherwise-useless subscription crowns on gachapon crates, and getting a bunch of cosmetic items I like (and some I don't—Argonian adornments?!), I've also got a bunch of XP scrolls and potions which are useful for levelling alts (they scale with the user, unlike crafted potions), and a bunch more gems.

That said, these scrolls ought to be available for just crowns, but people would complain about that price, too.

Hand_Bacon

I spent quite a bit trying to get one of those atro mounts, but never got one. I still don't see the crates as a waste or victimizing people in any way. I made an informed choice and didn't expect to beat the odds from the beginning.

AlnilamE

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Astrid_V wrote: »

1. You are not forced to buying anything from Crown Store.
2. You can buy XP potions from guild stores.

1. Actually you are forced to buy things as it's the only way to get crown gems.
2. No actually you cannot get the better exp Scrolls for this length any other way

1. But what do you want crown gems for?
2. length doesn't matter, since there is no cooldown. Only the % amount.

idk

Astrid_V wrote: »

1. You are not forced to buying anything from Crown Store.
2. You can buy XP potions from guild stores.

This is the correct answer to the OPs question. Love rage post entertainment.

Danksta

POps75p wrote: »

I just notice today some decent 150 and 100 xp potions for sale and tried to buy them but it said I don't have enough of some stupid something, so I asked a couple of guild friends wtf were they taking about. They said that you only get these type of things when you buy those useless Crates. I not into buying anything that wont help me in battle, especially a bunch of worthsess crates. Sitting with a ton of Crown, and that's where they are going to stay

Well since you won't buy anything that's not P2W, hopefully you never find anything that you'll want to spend your crowns on.

Uriel_Nocturne

If I wanted to gamble with real-world money, I'd go to a casino. I'm not doing that in my games.

I haven't bought even a single Rip-off Scam Crate, and I won't buy one in the future either. The fact that the game hired The Lady to promote and wring cash from people with these Scam Crates is the start of the downfall of ESO and getting actual content made for the game.

Funny circumstance: Look at The Lady's Linkd-in profile. Nothing there but a resume filled with a trail of dead or dying MMO's that she's worked at, that started declining rapidly once she worked her "magic" and implemented Scam Crates in those games as well.

I don't know what makes people think that ESO won't follow along the same ill-fated path now that Scam Crates are here, but just watch. It'll happen.

POps75p

Danksta wrote: »

POps75p wrote: »

I just notice today some decent 150 and 100 xp potions for sale and tried to buy them but it said I don't have enough of some stupid something, so I asked a couple of guild friends wtf were they taking about. They said that you only get these type of things when you buy those useless Crates. I not into buying anything that wont help me in battle, especially a bunch of worthsess crates. Sitting with a ton of Crown, and that's where they are going to stay

Well since you won't buy anything that's not P2W, hopefully you never find anything that you'll want to spend your crowns on.

it's called an inland house

Balamoor

No one really gives a fig about other peoples opinions on crates.

Saying something is bad in your experience doesn't make it universally bad, I understand that in some minds their opinion is like mana from the great oracle, but [snip] if I decide to spend money on something it is my business. [snip]

[edited for baiting]

JKorr

Browiseth wrote: »

if they're so worthless then what's the problem?

Because it appears that they are going to keep more than the "themed" items locked behind the crates. Atronach mounts, atronach clown crates make sense. Red Pit Wolf mount they teased by parking one outside of the stable on the Gold Coast for months before it showed up in the clown crates...not seeing the "atronach" for that one. Or the black mane lion, or the senche leopard that was originally sold outright in the crown store, either.

If they keep the NOT themed items behind the clown crates for a period of time, then allow them to be sold, that would remove a lot of objections to the clown crates, I think. Keep the themed items exclusive. The people who are willing to gamble to be special with exclusive items can do that. People who simply want to buy a specific not themed item at a specific price to continue a collection can do that, too. The next themed clown crates have been datamined. Wonder what non-themed items will be included with those?

Curtdogg47

I finally decide to try a few, nothing really that exciting about them. Probably wont ever buy one again. But to each their own.

Nestor

I bought a few, and while the stuff I got was OK, it was not something I would do again. I even got the Atronach Cat Mount in the 3rd or 4th crate. I still like to know what I am buying and for what price before I buy it.

I have only purchased one of those weapon or armor crates that gives a random item in the game, and that is with in game gold, not real money.

rotaugen454

Snippity snip snip snip.

That's all I got to say about that.

jircris11

POps75p wrote: »

I just notice today some decent 150 and 100 xp potions for sale and tried to buy them but it said I don't have enough of some stupid something, so I asked a couple of guild friends wtf were they taking about. They said that you only get these type of things when you buy those useless Crates. I not into buying anything that wont help me in battle, especially a bunch of worthsess crates. Sitting with a ton of Crown, and that's where they are going to stay

I have horrid luck with RNG. But I tested the boxes out and honestly they are not bad. Most of the consumables give a good amount of gems. I got 3 if the lightning mounts out of 14 boxes. A few costumes 7 150 XP scrolls and other things. Sure it's not 100% but it's not as bad as people say. Most who complain have not even tried them lol

Cpt_Teemo

jircris11 wrote: »

POps75p wrote: »

I just notice today some decent 150 and 100 xp potions for sale and tried to buy them but it said I don't have enough of some stupid something, so I asked a couple of guild friends wtf were they taking about. They said that you only get these type of things when you buy those useless Crates. I not into buying anything that wont help me in battle, especially a bunch of worthsess crates. Sitting with a ton of Crown, and that's where they are going to stay

I have horrid luck with RNG. But I tested the boxes out and honestly they are not bad. Most of the consumables give a good amount of gems. I got 3 if the lightning mounts out of 14 boxes. A few costumes 7 150 XP scrolls and other things. Sure it's not 100% but it's not as bad as people say. Most who complain have not even tried them lol

I'd like to see you say that on some of the Swtor CM packs, and get back to me on that, cause that's where the crates idea came from I believe. Also people could just be lying about how many they truly opened as well so works both ways, no one knows but you if you opened only 14 or not.

Bouldercleave

Recremen wrote: »

Yeah gambling boxes are terrible and a complete betrayal of social contract. No more buying things directly like a normal person, only gambling now! "It's only cosmetic. :-) You aren't forced to buy them. :-)" Yeah okay I guess aesthetics don't matter in the game that prides itself on player customization so much that they got The Onion to do a parody piece on it, totes believeable. You point me to the place in the Crown Store where I can purchase the cool mounts directly and I'll hop right over.

LOL - A complete betrayal of social contract? The drama is strong in you!

As for the cool mounts in the crown store, they are under the mounts section in the "exotic" subsection...

Zinaroth

POps75p wrote: »

I not into buying anything that wont help me in battle

Buying something that helps you in battle is the definition of pay to win.

magnusthorek

If you think this is greed, think again, they can go further down:

Jitterbug

Why would anyone need 900+ CP though? That's the real question here.

Loomis

POps75p wrote: »

I just notice today some decent 150 and 100 xp potions for sale and tried to buy them but it said I don't have enough of some stupid something, so I asked a couple of guild friends wtf were they taking about. They said that you only get these type of things when you buy those useless Crates. I not into buying anything that wont help me in battle, especially a bunch of worthsess crates. Sitting with a ton of Crown, and that's where they are going to stay

I like they offer them ... wish they would offer even more cool things I can't even think of ...

Just because YOU don't like something means nothing ... it's actually quite irrelevant ...

Sorry you don't like capitalism but if they want to offer stuff for sell and there is a market for said item... presto the beauty of free market at work with or without your one opine on the subject ...

If ZOS wanted to offer a pink polka dot teddy bear that followed you around on a magic carpet saying how awesome your were all the time they could offer it ... not really any of your concern other than don't buy it

if they wanted to put an 'invisible friend" on the market that you could never see or interact with in any way but just had to have faith that it was there and they charged 200,000 crowns ... again none of your concern ... free market capitalism would determine if there was a market for invisbale friends at 200k crowns ... it would prolly fail and they would never sale one

TLDR ... no one cares what you think people buy the crates and like them ... so don't buy any ..

FYI I bought one ... didn't get anything interesting prolly will not buy another

POps75p

Zinaroth wrote: »

POps75p wrote: »

I not into buying anything that wont help me in battle

Buying something that helps you in battle is the definition of pay to win.

good, i'll take that anytime vs gambling to win

AFrostWolf

It's far too easy to get consumables and useless *** from the crates. After having bought them once to see if it was worth it, this was my only gripe. I'm not upset that the chance to get things are low, I am upset that the stuff that comes out of them are useless.

Stovahkiin

Are people STILL crying about this? I'm not a fan of crates either, so do you know what I do? I don't buy the damn things; it's that simple. You are NOT forced to buy them in any way, and there have been a lot of other MMOs that introduced gambling boxes way before Zeni did.

Tldr: stop crying and start thinking.

POps75p

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Are people STILL crying about this? I'm not a fan of crates either, so do you know what I do? I don't buy the damn things; it's that simple. You are NOT forced to buy them in any way, and there have been a lot of other MMOs that introduced gambling boxes way before Zeni did.

Tldr: stop crying and start thinking.

a bunch of stuff in the crown is dam good, eg. banker, merchant, repair kits, xp potions etc, but now tying the good items to only those that purchase crown crates is what I object to. making people gamble to try to get something that they would like to have etc. as I said before, i'm not going to the store to buy milk with the hope of getting some tokens to buy bread.

idk

Pops brought the thread back to life.

I'm not buying crown crates. Well, until they out housing into the crown crates, then I'll buy them.

Recremen

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Yeah gambling boxes are terrible and a complete betrayal of social contract. No more buying things directly like a normal person, only gambling now! "It's only cosmetic. :-) You aren't forced to buy them. :-)" Yeah okay I guess aesthetics don't matter in the game that prides itself on player customization so much that they got The Onion to do a parody piece on it, totes believeable. You point me to the place in the Crown Store where I can purchase the cool mounts directly and I'll hop right over.

LOL - A complete betrayal of social contract? The drama is strong in you!

As for the cool mounts in the crown store, they are under the mounts section in the "exotic" subsection...

@Bouldercleave oh I see, call me out and don't even give me an @ shout, I see how it is

Anyway it's not drama, it really is a breach of social contract. The game advertises as being all about customization, then doesn't actually give you a path to full customization by locking up an increasing number of cosmetics behind a gambling system. I don't know how many times I have to go over this with you, but a gambling system necessarily leaves some people out no matter how much money they spend. That's just a fundamental, mathematically provable principle of probability.

ZOS had been offering a game which, while it did end up going B2P and having a cash shop, it at least let people make their own decisions about what they did or didn't want to buy. This is not possible with a gambling system. You don't choose what to buy, you choose how much risk you want to take in pursuit of something. That is not the market dynamic we signed up for, and unlike going B2P there isn't a give-and-take to the transition, it's 100% take. With B2P you lose out on whatever they put into the Crown Store unless you pay extra, but you also don't need to pay a monthly sub unless you want the Crowns and the bonuses. With gambling boxes, we have to gamble on a chance to get something we like, probably won't get it, and also don't get any additional benefit from the transferring to the gambling system.

It's unfortunate that you mistake a well-reasoned position for an emotional response, I would recommend getting educated on these matters so you can actually engage with the topic with some semblance of articulation and dignity.

As for the cool mounts in the Crown Store, just checked the "exotic" section, didn't see any atronach mounts, nor any of the recolored mounts that got put in the gambling boxes. IDK if you honestly never checked or just intentionally misinterpreted my statement, but either way, not there for direct purchase.

jluchau

You understand that sitting on the crowns you already own doesn't hurt the company one bit right? you already paid for those crowns, how you use them is meaningless.

Recremen

jluchau wrote: »

You understand that sitting on the crowns you already own doesn't hurt the company one bit right? you already paid for those crowns, how you use them is meaningless.

I'm pretty sure everyone realizes that, it's more about not having any incentives to buy more Crowns as a result of a dwindling Crown Store offering and the increase in cosmetics relegated to be gambling prizes.

Slurg

jluchau wrote: »

You understand that sitting on the crowns you already own doesn't hurt the company one bit right? you already paid for those crowns, how you use them is meaningless.

You understand sitting on the crowns I already own means I'm not paying the company additional money to buy more crowns, right? If I could buy the things that are hidden in the crates I'd have run out of my discounted crowns by now and probably purchased more at full price. That equals lost sales.

I'm toying with the idea of putting in a support ticket with an offer to purchase some of these non-themed items directly, like the red wolf and chub loon. Just to see what kind of response I get. When explicitly asked, will this company directly turn down my money?

BlazingDynamo

Just buy the xp potions you can craft in game. They provide 150% too

disintegr8

While there are some items you can only buy with the crown gems but the bottom line is you do not need them. NOTHING for sale in the crown store, regardless of what you need to buy it, is required for game progression and completion.

I purchase some of the crates with some crowns I had sitting on my account, just to see what the fuss was about, but all they really did was clutter up my inventory with rubbish that I do not need, so no more for me. I'll stay on my trusty old 10k gold steed that I bought when I could afford nothing better and keep making my own food and potions.