Does anybody know if ZOS even have firewalls?

AlexTech0x

DDos attacks every 4-5 days... i mean come on, you can do better than this... can you?

bubbygink

You don't know how a DDoS attack work, do you?

Palidon

This crap is getting old. Boils down to incompetence on the part of the ZOS staff.

dday3six

A DDOS isn't something that's stopped by a firewall. It's not like typical malware or anything like that. It's done in many ways, but one of the most common is thousands of bots posing as legit users, all trying to login at the same time, and clogging the server. That's not something a firewall can protect against.

Fly666monkey

Palidon wrote: »

This crap is getting old. Boils down to incompetence on the part of the ZOS staff.

There's basically nothing they can do if it's a DDoS attack. They can try offloading all the incoming junk data to a dummy server, but that only goes so far.

Phinix1

It's not just ESO. The whole USA west of the Rockies is getting hammered right now.

ZOS might not even have a problem as they are east coast. It's just everything in between that's having "technical difficulties."

gard

Phinix1 wrote: »

It's not just ESO. The whole USA west of the Rockies is getting hammered right now.

ZOS might not even have a problem as they are east coast. It's just everything in between that's having "technical difficulties."

Dallas is east coast?

wenchmore420b14_ESO

I'm just really curious if this sudden Ddos attacks on Zos is related to Zenimax suing Facebook..???

Alpheu5

AlexTech0x wrote: »

DDos attacks every 4-5 days... i mean come on, you can do better than this... can you?

They need to download more RAM, reinforce the firewall with 720p, and for all that is holy and good ENHANCE!

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Lauranae

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

A DDOS isn't something that's stopped by a firewall. It's not like typical malware or anything like that. It's done in many ways, but one of the most common is thousands of bots posing as legit users, all trying to login at the same time, and clogging the server. That's not something a firewall can protect against.

Almost all big websites and games get hit by ddos each day, yet they manage to avoid keep going down like this game does.

BLizzard and EA-Bioaware were both under DDOS attack in August 2016 and they could do nothing. I was playing starwars at this time and we had almost 24 hours of game as the login was shut down by the ddos

So no, unfortunatly there is nothing they can do.Each time they will find a way to stop the DDOS, the hacker will also find a new way to go on ....

The only dream possible is to get the whole hacking team in jail for long long years .... but we are not in a movie unfortunatly .....

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Solid_Metal

holy crap people idiocracy here throwing false statement and insult without even knowing what "DDoS" is, how it work and why company can do nothing about it including lot of game server is astonishing

ignorance is indeed a bliss

Volrion

dday3six wrote: »

A DDOS isn't something that's stopped by a firewall. It's not like typical malware or anything like that. It's done in many ways, but one of the most common is thousands of bots posing as legit users, all trying to login at the same time, and clogging the server. That's not something a firewall can protect against.

This must be where they get their "One million players" data from

FriedEggSandwich

Do they even own the na server? I'm pretty sure they rent the eu server.

dreddurius

(firewalls do not prevent DDoS attacks, nor can it distinguish between malicious and legit activity)

ArchMikem

Distributed Denial of Service, DDoS

"The intentional paralyzing of a computer network by flooding it with data sent simultaneously from many individual computers."

Unfortunately we live in a world where any John Doe can get a simple program that carries out the attack for them, and the victim can't do much of anything besides try and weather the storm and or somehow aid authorities in tracking down the source. I'm no tech genius but at least I know enough to not blame ZOS for this.

dday3six

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

A DDOS isn't something that's stopped by a firewall. It's not like typical malware or anything like that. It's done in many ways, but one of the most common is thousands of bots posing as legit users, all trying to login at the same time, and clogging the server. That's not something a firewall can protect against.

Almost all big websites and games get hit by ddos each day, yet they manage to avoid keep going down like this game does.

Scope is to be considered, as attacks vary in scale and effectiveness. However beyond that, no it's not the case that it is happening everyday with other games and websites. As a hacker or group of hackers, you're not likely to favor being caught, and continuely attacking the same target/s without taking time to rearrange your methods of hiding your identity is going to wind up with you being caught.

Likely ESO issues has more to do with poor server and network infrastructure rather than outside interference via constant
DDOS.

Sigtric

Phinix1 wrote: »

It's not just ESO. The whole USA west of the Rockies is getting hammered right now.

ZOS might not even have a problem as they are east coast. It's just everything in between that's having "technical difficulties."

There's been numerous times during the last few days where I am affected (Arizona, West) and my friends I'm actively grouped with on the east coast are not.

Even last night when nearly everyone was lagged out, my buddy in Australia was unaffected.

Internet routing across the nation and across the world can be affected by many things. We know ZOS was either directly targeted or indirectly affected by DDoS over the weekend and these continued problems are exactly the same.

Sigtric

I typed affected way too many times

Emmagoldman

Are you trying to tell me they just dont need to run a virus check . In all seriousness i've seen ddos attacks have serious effects on other games before. The last game I played had horrible lag for two months before the attack was resolved. I dont understand why people make posts when they have no clue whats going on. Get that firewall up! Its not hardened ward..

Cmon, if you really dont understand running servers or ddos attacks you need to be quiet. I dont fully understand it myself, so I sit back and listen to people who know more than me. Its speculation as well because we are not zos.....

I guarentee zos has people trying to figure it out. But a best solution might not be instant. Someone could have spent a lot of time figuring out how to most effectively mess with them. So, be patient. I know you think you are at mcdonalds and you want you 3 cheeseburgers and milkshakes but you [snip] need to wait.

Which sucks because instead of working on game content, they have to deal with this and other b.s.

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Nickernator

AlexTech0x wrote: »

DDos attacks every 4-5 days... i mean come on, you can do better than this... can you?

They hired a few mages to cast the " firewall " spell, so far it has worked.

Turelus

I remember sitting in a CCP Security presentation at EVE Fanfest once where CCP explained how they stop DDoS attacks against the EVE cluster. Pretty interesting stuff (beyond my understandings).

So it's possible for them to put something in place, I guess it just depends on their IT people and the money ZOS is willing to invest in their systems and defences.

Kodrac

gard wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

It's not just ESO. The whole USA west of the Rockies is getting hammered right now.

ZOS might not even have a problem as they are east coast. It's just everything in between that's having "technical difficulties."

Dallas is east coast?

About ZeniMax Media

Headquartered just north of Washington, D.C., with offices in North America, Europe, Australia and Asia, ZeniMax Media is a video game publisher, managed by an experienced group of executives, which has assembled a strong creative team of world-class game developers, graphic artists and designers, sound engineers, producers and programmers to create and sell premium video game titles to a growing worldwide market.

https://www.zenimax.com/about

AlwaysOnFire

Here's the plan. I, and all the other magicka DKs will stand in a circle around the ESO servers. Then we'll cast blockade of fire repeatedly until the DDoS attacks stop.

Bouldercleave

Kodrac wrote: »

gard wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

It's not just ESO. The whole USA west of the Rockies is getting hammered right now.

ZOS might not even have a problem as they are east coast. It's just everything in between that's having "technical difficulties."

Dallas is east coast?

About ZeniMax Media

Headquartered just north of Washington, D.C., with offices in North America, Europe, Australia and Asia, ZeniMax Media is a video game publisher, managed by an experienced group of executives, which has assembled a strong creative team of world-class game developers, graphic artists and designers, sound engineers, producers and programmers to create and sell premium video game titles to a growing worldwide market.

https://www.zenimax.com/about

Why did this make me LOL?

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Sigtric

Zenimax Online Studios (a subsidiary of Zeni Media mentioned above) is in Maryland.

The datacenter where the game is actually hosted (in NA) is in Texas, unless something is changed. I believe the login servers and patch servers are in Baltimore.

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/6421/kw/megaserver/session/L3RpbWUvMTQyODkzMDg1MC9zaWQvTmdEOTJNam0=

Regardless of where they are located, internet routing generally takes the fastest path between two points, which geographically might not make sense at all, but any service interruptions along the route can cause issues elsewhere.


Have a look at this from just a couple minutes ago:



There's a lot of internet attacks going on, and heavily where they are located and still bad where the data center is. ZOS can't stop this and even if they aren't the actual target, depending on what services ARE the target, it can cause interruptions.


Also if you want to watch something scary about internet attacks, watch this real time map for a little bit: http://map.norsecorp.com/#/



What does this all mean?

If you're going to throw blame around and you think ZOS should be included in that, just be quiet.

DMuehlhausen

Palidon wrote: »

This crap is getting old. Boils down to incompetence on the part of the ZOS staff.

See response from @bubbygink

DMuehlhausen

What they need to do is tweak their PRAM and reglaze the sub routine.

Then have to people on the same keyboard to stop the hacking DDoS attacks....

PurifedBladez

Yeah we can all act like it's all of a sudden ddos attacks and not just gross neglect of the server over the years that's progressively gotten worse to lead us to the point were at now. I wonder if the servers will continue to deteriorate till its just basically unplayable..