Crown Prices Of All Houses Revealed

Cyrediath

https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/5okll7/house_detail_racial_styles_zone_outdoor_space/

Edit; Just saw that this is not official. Just estimated value of all items in that house with crowns.

paulsimonps

That is not what they will cost thou, the OP just took all the furniture in the prefurnished versions and looked at what they cost on the PTS crown store, that is in no way shape or form the actual cost of the houses.

NewBlacksmurf

That would be the best way to kill off a few customers.

If any house is over 1500 crowns it'll be outside of my consideration. I'm sure others are willing to spend more

Anything over 4,000 crowns tho.....now you're talking about exceeding the price of the base game for something that isn't dlc and is questionable influencing the ingame gold economy.

Dare I say the homes shouldve been lots for small amounts of gold and allowed crafting to build them.

Crown store should've been lots only and small bundles of things later to help build but not like this.

It's like adding motif in the game and placing the books in the crown store day 1

JWKe

"Furnished crown value should not be mistaken for an approximation of how much the furnished version of a house will cost. It is simply taking the furniture found in those houses and seeing how much those items are indiviually in the Crown Store on the PTS."

Max I'll pay even for the manors is 5000.

davey1107

That would be the best way to kill off a few customers.

The challenge for a game like this is to make it profitable enough to keep it running. If they don't get a revenue stream from optional items like housing, costumes, mounts, etc, then they will be forced to pass the cost off as a monthly subscription. And a monthly subscription would reduce the player base, so instead of the average player needing to spend 500 crowns a month to sustain the game, now they need to spend like $25 per month.

If ESO can support itself by being a free-to-play mmo that's packed with players who occasionally buy frivolous vanity items...more power to them.

nickg420

Let's not forget they did charge 4500 Crowns for an ugly large antlered elk...

So for a house?? You can bet on it crossing the 5000 Crown Mark.

Cyrediath

nickg420 wrote: »

Let's not forget they did charge 4500 Crowns for an ugly large antlered elk...

So for a house?? You can bet on it crossing the 5000 Crown Mark.

And they will end up with low sales again just like elk mount and banker

Glurin

Somehow I doubt that ZOS would actually charge over $354 for Hunding's Palatial Hall or $475 for Earthtear Cavern, just to name a couple examples.

NewBlacksmurf

davey1107 wrote: »

That would be the best way to kill off a few customers.

The challenge for a game like this is to make it profitable enough to keep it running. If they don't get a revenue stream from optional items like housing, costumes, mounts, etc, then they will be forced to pass the cost off as a monthly subscription. And a monthly subscription would reduce the player base, so instead of the average player needing to spend 500 crowns a month to sustain the game, now they need to spend like $25 per month.

If ESO can support itself by being a free-to-play mmo that's packed with players who occasionally buy frivolous vanity items...more power to them.

@davey1107

They are making enough money. Ppl need to get this out of their heads literally as it's frustrating to have discussions where ppl decide to pull the assumption that's ZOS is having funding issues.

The reality is the opposite. They are well funded so muchso that they no longer need to release paid dlc every quarter. Instead they can literally rely on cosmetic purchases and ESO plus subscribers and not release dlc for over 9 months in a row.

If you review your comment the average player is spending much more than $25/month if they use and keep ESO plus for only 6 months and buy crowns during each sale.

That touches a lot of active players. I'm describing active as players who log in at least 3-4 times a week.

Me personally and the handful of real life friends spent over a minimum of $200 last year alone and we don't buy the 4-5k mounts or motif. We are casuals. And they may only play November and December and then late June to early August.

It's occasional ESO plus, buying all dlc via crowns and some cosmetic stuff here and there. That's basically more than the sub and on Xbox one we can't buy ESO plus outside of one month at a time.

Profit isn't the issue .....

Qyrk

Keep in mind that the Crown Prices is DEPENDENT on the furniture of each furnished house based on crown store prices.

The crown store prices will NOT reflect the actual crown value when it goes live.

Remag_Div

They sell motif's for 5,000 Crowns so expect housing and furniture to be absurd pricing.

davey1107

@NewBlacksmurf You're actually just making up random numbers and assuming the game is profitable. You actually don't know this...since Zenimax is a privately held company and does not release sales figures or financials. For all we know, the game could be anywhere ranging from landslide profits to a financial loss.

Any speculation about the game's financials is nothing more than talking out one's rear. You don't have any data. You don't know how many people are playing, how often, how many subscribe to ESO plus, how many buy crowns, what the cost of the servers and maintenance are, what the staff costs are, or how new content gets designed, developed and distributed.

I work in the design industry, and I've worked on video games. (Most recently we did UI/UX work for the STO port). In my experience, there aren't miracle profits that allow studios to offer free ongoing play and ultra-cheap in-game purchases. Companies do really try to offer their customers a decent deal, and right now they are really trying to make in-app purchases work so that the end cost is up to the customer.

That said, my original point stands. I buy plus one month in three, making my monthly cost $5. I am thrilled to get unlimited play for five bucks a month, and if that can be sustained because ZOS sells 25,000 crown vanity housing, then hoo-effing-ray.

NewBlacksmurf

davey1107 wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf You're actually just making up random numbers and assuming the game is profitable. You actually don't know this...since Zenimax is a privately held company and does not release sales figures or financials. For all we know, the game could be anywhere ranging from landslide profits to a financial loss.

Any speculation about the game's financials is nothing more than talking out one's rear. You don't have any data. You don't know how many people are playing, how often, how many subscribe to ESO plus, how many buy crowns, what the cost of the servers and maintenance are, what the staff costs are, or how new content gets designed, developed and distributed.

I work in the design industry, and I've worked on video games. (Most recently we did UI/UX work for the STO port). In my experience, there aren't miracle profits that allow studios to offer free ongoing play and ultra-cheap in-game purchases. Companies do really try to offer their customers a decent deal, and right now they are really trying to make in-app purchases work so that the end cost is up to the customer.

That said, my original point stands. I buy plus one month in three, making my monthly cost $5. I am thrilled to get unlimited play for five bucks a month, and if that can be sustained because ZOS sells 25,000 crown vanity housing, then hoo-effing-ray.

@davey1107

Am I talking out of my rear or am I just accepting what ZOS is telling us. Why would anyone argue that they are in financial trouble?

Maybe you should look around
http://m.hoovers.com/company-information/cs/company-profile.zenimax_media_inc.fe73bdc28670dd7a.html

http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=128690684


http://www.plunkettresearch.com/company-profile/zenimax-media-inc/

Everyone can't be lying right?

aisriyth_ESO

I mean, i've literally bought everything outside of motifs on the crown store. I have everything out of the storm crates and i WILL buy houses so long as they are reasonable. I see many, many cosmetic items around and i hear a lot of people comment on having a sub for the crafting bag.

All anecdotal but i cannot imagine ZoS is hurting, and again, if houses are reasonable my wallet will open.

Perhaps i am a sheep? Who knows.

davey1107

@NewBlacksmurf ah...random links that give you Zenimax's address with no financial info whatsoever. Very compelling. Well...you found links to something, so C+ for effort.

Zenimax is almost certainly a profitable company. Unit sales for Fallout 4, Skyrim, etc indicate this. But this doesn't mean that ESO is profitable right now. It also doesn't mean that it isn't. We don't know...Zenimax is a private corporation.

None of that affects my original point - the game costs money to run, and they can make it back either through monthly subscriptions or in-app purchases. I personally like the in-app purchase model, because I don't personally care if my high elf has a fluted tri-corner nightcap with canary accoutrement.

If you spend $200+ a year on things like the aforementioned canary hat, then I earnestly applaud you. It's allowing me to play the game for nearly free, and I appreciate that a lot.

NewBlacksmurf

davey1107 wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf ah...random links that give you Zenimax's address with no financial info whatsoever. Very compelling. Well...you found links to something, so C+ for effort.

Zenimax is almost certainly a profitable company. Unit sales for Fallout 4, Skyrim, etc indicate this. But this doesn't mean that ESO is profitable right now. It also doesn't mean that it isn't. We don't know...Zenimax is a private corporation.

None of that affects my original point - the game costs money to run, and they can make it back either through monthly subscriptions or in-app purchases. I personally like the in-app purchase model, because I don't personally care if my high elf has a fluted tri-corner nightcap with canary accoutrement.

If you spend $200+ a year on things like the aforementioned canary hat, then I earnestly applaud you. It's allowing me to play the game for nearly free, and I appreciate that a lot.

@davey1107

Please don't make accusations like ur doing as there is actual reputable financial info about zenimax out there and they are listed respectably high in terms of their financial stability and their annual profits.

Regardless of opinions, those guys are not in financial trouble at all and some reports suggest their close to $89 mil In sales revenue and their risk is low.

The point of it is when discussing opinions, throwing these ZOS needs more money into discussions is out of place because they aren't in financial trouble.

What no one knows are their financial goals and how the are performing in terms of their own investments and goals but making money. Yes....financial trouble, No. those things we do know so don't say to ppl that their pulling stuff out of their tails just because you may not be aware

Cyrediath

davey1107 wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf ah...random links that give you Zenimax's address with no financial info whatsoever. Very compelling. Well...you found links to something, so C+ for effort.

Zenimax is almost certainly a profitable company. Unit sales for Fallout 4, Skyrim, etc indicate this. But this doesn't mean that ESO is profitable right now. It also doesn't mean that it isn't. We don't know...Zenimax is a private corporation.

None of that affects my original point - the game costs money to run, and they can make it back either through monthly subscriptions or in-app purchases. I personally like the in-app purchase model, because I don't personally care if my high elf has a fluted tri-corner nightcap with canary accoutrement.

If you spend $200+ a year on things like the aforementioned canary hat, then I earnestly applaud you. It's allowing me to play the game for nearly free, and I appreciate that a lot.

I tought fallout and skyrim was bethesda not zenimax o.o

Remag_Div

aisriyth_ESO wrote: »

Perhaps i am a sheep? Who knows.

Completely.

How much money have you spent in the store so far?

nodulo

Minor de-rail then back on the tracks...

I truly believe they knew the Elk mount would only sell to a tiny fraction of the community. They will then dangle it in the crown crate down the road, you see where my theory is going with this one.

I think the crown houses will be affordable because they will milk far, far more money when you realize you have a gigantic empty home that will require a 100 or more furnishings to look remotely home-like.

These furnishings individually will be cheap only 400 crowns for that sleigh bed and 200 for that limited time Tiffany lamp so on cumulatively gouging the player base in a less obvious fashion.

Danikat

Cyrediath wrote: »

davey1107 wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf ah...random links that give you Zenimax's address with no financial info whatsoever. Very compelling. Well...you found links to something, so C+ for effort.

Zenimax is almost certainly a profitable company. Unit sales for Fallout 4, Skyrim, etc indicate this. But this doesn't mean that ESO is profitable right now. It also doesn't mean that it isn't. We don't know...Zenimax is a private corporation.

None of that affects my original point - the game costs money to run, and they can make it back either through monthly subscriptions or in-app purchases. I personally like the in-app purchase model, because I don't personally care if my high elf has a fluted tri-corner nightcap with canary accoutrement.

If you spend $200+ a year on things like the aforementioned canary hat, then I earnestly applaud you. It's allowing me to play the game for nearly free, and I appreciate that a lot.

I tought fallout and skyrim was bethesda not zenimax o.o

It depends on what you mean by Zenimax. Elder Scrolls Online is developed by a company called Zenimax Online Studios (ZOS). It is their only game.

But ZOS is a subsidiary of Zenimax Media, who acts as their publisher and is also the publisher/parent company for Bethesda, id Software and a number of other studios. (To further complicate matters Zenimax Media was created by Bethesda, for the purpose of being their parent company and then went on to purchase or create the other subsidiary companies. I don't know why you'd do that, but then I have very little experience with that type of business.)

What this means in terms of finances is complicated, and not entirely clear since none of these companies are publicly traded (you cannot buy stocks in them) so they don't need to release full financial information. ZOS won't profit directly from games Bethesda create, but Zenimax Media will and then they can choose to reinvest that money in games by another studio.

So for example (all numbers here are random examples) lets say Bethesda gets a 'loan' of $100,000 from Zenimax Media to develop Skyrim - this money goes to pay the developers during the time when the studio is not making much money because they haven't released a game in a few years. When the game is released they pay that back, plus some extra. Since Skyrim did really well lets say Zenimax Media get $200,000. Then they give $100,000 of that to ZOS to develop Elder Scrolls Online and when that game starts selling they pay the money back, plus extra and some of that goes to Bethesda to fund development of Fallout 4...and so on. As long as all the games are successful this is a great system - everyone gets money when they need it, pays it back when they can and everyone gets to keep making games. If one game fails there should be enough money in the system to cover it and carry on. But if too many games fail, or if a game like ESO with on-going development costs stats to be too expensive it can fall apart.

If ESO isn't making a profit Zenimax Media could choose to give ZOS the money to cover it, from their other games. But then they don't have that money to invest into future games. If they think it's just a short-term problem or the cost is low enough it could be worth doing. But if it gets to the point where it's going to hurt other areas of the business (e.g. they have to say to Bethesda "Sorry, we can only give you $50,000 toward TES VI because the rest is going on ESO") they need to do something else - either find a new approach to make ESO profitable or stop spending as much on it.

I'm not suggesting that's what's happening now. I have no idea. But that's the danger. Just because Zenimax Media has a lot of money from publishing lots of successful games doesn't mean they're willing to able to spend it all on supporting ESO. At some point/s ESO needs to pay it's own way too.

aisriyth_ESO wrote: »

I mean, i've literally bought everything outside of motifs on the crown store. I have everything out of the storm crates and i WILL buy houses so long as they are reasonable. I see many, many cosmetic items around and i hear a lot of people comment on having a sub for the crafting bag.

All anecdotal but i cannot imagine ZoS is hurting, and again, if houses are reasonable my wallet will open.

Perhaps i am a sheep? Who knows.

I don't think you're a sheep but I do think you're probably at the high end of the spectrum. At the other end are people who have never paid anything beyond the cost of the game. And in the middle are people like me who have bought some crown packs, or subscribe but never buy crowns and overall spend a lot less than the $25 a month someone used as an example of 'average' spending. (If everything I've spent on ESO, including buying the game, was spread over the time I've been playing it works out at about £3.50 a month.)

It would be interesting to know what the average spend is (and whether it's a mean, median or modal average), but I doubt ZOS would ever tell us that.