The problem with group finder..

Keep_Door

Idc what level you are but if you're dying over and over wont listen to mechanics or just afk thats when i vote to kick or just drop group.

DMuehlhausen

Riejael wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

What you're showing here is evidence of humanity, not a problem with the group finder. It's just a symptom of sharing the world, even if it's a virtual world, with other people.

As with every slice of society some people will be truly benevolent, some will be complete ***, and most will fall somewhere in between. Game designers have no ability, and no obligation, to design around that.

Its more of a cultural shift. It started in 2000 and progressed 'downhill' for next 5 years to what we see now. When I played MMORPGs back in 2001. People were extremely tolerant of new players. So much so they almost sought them out. I remember playing a lowbie warrior in Everquest and didn't know what the term 'tank' even meant. Group I was in just told me what it basically (and I do mean basically) how to make it work and told me to do my best.

I remember when I first start in EQ. I was a Barb in Halas. I couldn't even find my way out of the city to kill anything. I figured out how to talk in Zone chat and asked for help. in seconds had 5-10 people standing next to me leading me out of the city.

Yeah now I'd probably somehow be labelled and never allowed to join a group again.

yake82

This week i landed atleast in one ignore list. For not carrying low cp. Im cp710+ myself

Queued to vWGT as tank. Had a pledge there.
Party had high cp healer. DDs were cp37 and cp330 or so...
This small convo happens:

Me: How is your dps?
Cp330: How is your skill?
Me: Im fine thank you

(I think asking for dps number was red cloth for the dd...)
I was going to start a votekick the cp37 but healer beat me to it. I vote yes, but it still fails. Apparently cp330 wants to take the cp37 in.
I TY for the party and leave.

Moment later the cp330 whispers me that i suck. I try to reply but he has me blocked.
I do like to help people and normally i don't kick low cp people. But i'm not going to take cp37 to vWGT.
The dude wanted to block me so i blocked him right back.

I'd dare to say that its the medium cp lvl people who are the most toxic in the GF.
Very high cp players simply stay away from it and those who use it are aware of the risks or don't mind the low cp.


I had another happenstance in vCoH:

I queue my best dps, a magplar, for pledge.
Party pops up and healer leaves immediately.
Tank and dd are at final boss.

So what do i do? Leave and take 15min timer or gank the boss? I know he is pushover for me.

I decide to gank the boss.
GF dispenses us a healer and we start the boss.
Tank didn't drag the adds away so they die to my aoe. (jabs, Grothdarr, Blockade etc)
Tank stopped action wanting to wipe and do the hardmode but me and healer just carry on so the hardmode fails.
I really felt that its not my job to carry these people any further and i wanted to get back to my own things.
Im sure they had their chances to complete the hardmode but they couldn't do it.
(They didn't whisper me afterwards though so i don't know how unhappy they were...)


So people, would you have acted differently?

Merlin13KAGL

Sovaso wrote: »

Well no one likes play with noobs. That's the reality.

CP130 is not necessarily a noob, especially since the content is leveled to CP160.

Also, CP's are not an indicator of skilled play, just a lot of XP's.

I've grouped with CP100's that tore things up. I've grouped with CP600+ that couldn't hit the side of a barn or stay on their feet for more than 3 seconds at a time.

(Ran with CP 600 the other day that couldn't break 8K DPS...)

Give the run a chance, you'll know in short order if it will work or not. Don't automatically assume when someone ports in that the run will be sh*t.

Vipstaakki

Glurin wrote: »

"He's only 130cp!" Strike one.
"He's using two handed as a DPS!" Strike two.
"*votekick* *votekick* *votekick* *votekick*" STRIKE THREE! Anonymous whiny guy, you're out!

Seriously, I've had many smooth runs in PUGs filled with guys less than 100cp. It only really becomes an issue in the harder stuff like CoA2 or DLC dungeons.

And the part about two handed dps? WTF!? As long as stuff dies without too much fuss, I don't give a rat's ass what they use. They can use a board with a nail in it for all I care.

But the icing on the cake here is that even if this was in a DLC dungeon and the DPS in question announced to everyone that the only thing he was going to do was spam light attacks, the votekick guy had the wrong attitude.

This exactly.

It is why i don't use group finder anymore. If i want to do group content i always look into my guilds first and if no one is available i'll go do something else for a while and check back later.

Funny how your guildies don't care what you are wielding or how many CP's you have as long as stuff dies.
However, if you go into a PUG... Talos preserve us.

If i really, really have to go do something with a group, i prefer running with low CP people because they are generally nicer.
I do like running dungeons with newbies and giving them their first taste of group content. Heck, i can spend 6 hours in a single dungeon in a day if i have to, unless the newbies don't feel like trying again.

I'm not running out of time anytime soon.

Sinthrax

I don't mind it because I was once new. However, I was in a group once that had a plate wearing, 2-hand dps that had 45k health. What good was he for dps. He got kicked. So to call people elitist for wanting someone to put a little effort in their builds? It not my job to help if I chose not too. There is to much info on the internet to fix yourself. I agree with everything the guy said you blurred out. Including the last word he said.

And what about MY enjoyment. If someone like that is killing my enjoyment? And they do...so save me the sad line of their enjoyment. I have just as much right to enjoy it when I play and they ruin it.

Jeremy

Nathano wrote: »

Well I've not played for about a year and thought I would give it another try yesterday. I decided to go to a normal dungeon that I know well (Spindleclutch) to ease me back into my healing role.

The first group I joined we got a couple of pulls into the dungeon and the tank tried to kick one of the dps because they weren't doing enough damage. I wouldn't accept the kick, as I saw they were active and at least using abilities, so I got a torrent of abuse from the tank and he then left.

We couldn't find replacements so I left and tried another group later. This time I got the vote kick popup as soon as I entered with someone claiming the tank's CP was too low (about 50 from what I can remember). Again I didn't accept and again got abuse for not kicking.

This is the type of behaviour that put me off other MMOs and with the introduction of dps meter addons and assigning a "score" to a player is what mostly causes this type of behaviour. I might give it another go today but if this is commonplace then I can't see me staying around for long. The community used to be one of the main draws for me and it looks like it has gone downhill recently. If new players are not made to feel welcome then the playerbase will just stagnate and updates/expansions will be a rarity.

Sadly this is commonplace now.

They need to hide CP levels from other players. That would help some. Because I agree with you that assigning scores to players encourages this type of behavior. I would also support banning add-ons that have DPS meters. They aren't needed (this game already shows you how much damage you are doing through the interface options) and they cause more problems then they solve.

Dawnblade

yake82 wrote: »

This week i landed atleast in one ignore list. For not carrying low cp. Im cp710+ myself

Queued to vWGT as tank. Had a pledge there.
Party had high cp healer. DDs were cp37 and cp330 or so...
This small convo happens:

Me: How is your dps?
Cp330: How is your skill?
Me: Im fine thank you

(I think asking for dps number was red cloth for the dd...)
I was going to start a votekick the cp37 but healer beat me to it. I vote yes, but it still fails. Apparently cp330 wants to take the cp37 in.
I TY for the party and leave.

Moment later the cp330 whispers me that i suck. I try to reply but he has me blocked.
I do like to help people and normally i don't kick low cp people. But i'm not going to take cp37 to vWGT.
The dude wanted to block me so i blocked him right back.

I'd dare to say that its the medium cp lvl people who are the most toxic in the GF.
Very high cp players simply stay away from it and those who use it are aware of the risks or don't mind the low cp.


I had another happenstance in vCoH:

I queue my best dps, a magplar, for pledge.
Party pops up and healer leaves immediately.
Tank and dd are at final boss.

So what do i do? Leave and take 15min timer or gank the boss? I know he is pushover for me.

I decide to gank the boss.
GF dispenses us a healer and we start the boss.
Tank didn't drag the adds away so they die to my aoe. (jabs, Grothdarr, Blockade etc)
Tank stopped action wanting to wipe and do the hardmode but me and healer just carry on so the hardmode fails.
I really felt that its not my job to carry these people any further and i wanted to get back to my own things.
Im sure they had their chances to complete the hardmode but they couldn't do it.
(They didn't whisper me afterwards though so i don't know how unhappy they were...)


So people, would you have acted differently?

For the first run - you were a jerk, though the player that whispered you afterwards was rude.

IF you queue random, you take what you get and give it a shot - if they players can't perform their role or cause issues, kick them...but kicking people at the start based on a number over their head is a d-bag move.

For the second run, I don't see anything wrong with killing the boss

Again IF you queue for a random, you take what you get and should only expect the others to do something outside the ordinary (like hard mode or achievements) if it is discussed ahead of time and agreed to by the party.

Those that only want to play with high CP players or run the dungeon a certain way (hard mode) have an option - it's called forming your own group with your own requirements with your own stated objectives.

Kuroinu

People need to get this drilled into there skulls, if you teach a player how a boss works and what they can do to counter it. It doesn't matter what amount of CP they have or don't have!

I have completed several Veteran Dungeons with players ranging from 10~50 CP. If they know how to play the game and understand how the boss fight works, there are literally no problems.

However, the one great problem I have is that this game desperately needs an auto-translate function. The language barrier on EU servers can be frustrating at times. This is the only problem I have with other newer players, I can't help them understand if we don't have a way to understand each other.

Myyth

The problem with group finder is that the dungeon difficulties are a complete inconsistent mess and the low level scaling is not sufficient for the harder difficulty dungeons. The difficulty level is all over the place.
You've got the basic dungeons that can be soloed by a healer to the "II "versions which are medium to hard difficulty to the horrible DLC dungeons like ruins of mazzatun and cradle of shadow which are impossible for a level 10 to do no matter how skilled the player is due to insufficient level scaling. So you get players thrown into a dungeon that they cannot complete and the group suffers. This creates the bad attitudes of players you are encountering. If all the dungeons had the same difficulty and could be completed by a group of any level then nobody would care what CP level you are.

salmoncat33

Ok seriously why the 2h hate? What's the difference if I pull 30k single target dps from dw/bow or 2h/bow? It has better ult gen than dw. And I think on a dk it is a much easier rotation and I don't need maelstrom weapons to make it decent.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN

I quit tanking because of elitists like that. Instead of teaching me mechanics on new dungeons that were only a few weeks old they decided to just yell at me and tell me I am bad. I rarely group with pugs now but luckily I haven't had any really bad experiences like that anymore.