How many Crowns should manors cost? [Poll]

MythicEmperor

I have been reading the PTS forums non-stop since it dropped hoemstead, and people's ideas of what manors should be worth in crowns have been all over the place. I am interested in your opiniom of what they should cost, not what ZO$ will charge for them. The main point of this, however, is to voice our opinions so that ZO$ will hopefully price accordingly.

Flaminir

~10k

Remembering that there are furnished and unfurnished versions...

I'd say that an unfurnished manor should be 5k, with the fully furnished version no more than 10k.

Remembering that the furnishing grind is HUGE in the update, and also many people will want to get multiple houses for a variety of reasons... the more they hook people into buying the houses themselves, the more money they will make by people buying the individual fluff items to go with them.

There's value in buying it fully furnished, but I can't see how they can offer the unfurnished manor at any less than 5k, hence why I'm saying 10k would seem sensible for the furnished version.

idk

15k or more

I think it's reasonably expected that Zos will price unfurnished majors at 10k minimum based on their other pricing of other items. Probably more. Add another 5k to 10k crowns for a fully furnished manor.

And thing less would make the good pricing a joke and pointless.

Pangnirtung

What we say has little effect on what is finally done with regards to housing costs.

Someone at ZOS has probably got it charted out if the costs are outrageous there won't be sales and if the costs are minimal they won't make money which is their reason for existence.

willlienellson

5.5k or less

I wonder if the 33% saying over 15k confused the word "should" in the title with the word "will" and are making a prediction.

At least I hope so. The furnishing cost/grind of these homes is profoundly overwhelming.

If you have to see a $150 credit card charge to get one of these manors, just for the privilege of beginning a never ending grind fest, why bother?

Flaminir

~10k

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

I think it's reasonably expected that Zos will price unfurnished majors at 10k minimum based on their other pricing of other items. Probably more. Add another 5k to 10k crowns for a fully furnished manor.

And thing less would make the good pricing a joke and pointless.

TBH... there are 5 manors... you need 3 to get the title...

If you are saying they should be 10k each, plus another 10k as furnished then that is the equivalent to approx £100 EACH!

£100... just for a virtual house with zero functionality (As they are on PTS now) and where they will still expect to entice people to buy all the other crown store fluff to go with them.

So £500 for the set!!!

That's the very epitome of 'joke' pricing in my opinion.

In fact... for that money I would be able to fly all the way from the UK to see ZoS in America in person to tell them how insane their prices were.... Which would likely be more entertaining!

willlienellson

5.5k or less

Flaminir wrote: »

Remembering that there are furnished and unfurnished versions...

I'd say that an unfurnished manor should be 5k, with the fully furnished version no more than 10k.

Remembering that the furnishing grind is HUGE in the update, and also many people will want to get multiple houses for a variety of reasons... the more they hook people into buying the houses themselves, the more money they will make by people buying the individual fluff items to go with them.

There's value in buying it fully furnished, but I can't see how they can offer the unfurnished manor at any less than 5k, hence why I'm saying 10k would seem sensible for the furnished version.

I wonder if items in a furnished home will be bound or can be sold, because with the current inventory system, there will be tremendous pressure to simply throw away a bunch of stuff or leave it in stock condition as purchased because there is no space to move all these items.

If I could sell unwanted furnishings on a trader and keep the ones I like, that would make the furnished crown price more attractive.

Otherwise, buying a furnished house is almost certainly going to be a waste if you have any plans for unique design.

Elsonso

~10k

Possible questions to make this poll more meaningful...

1. Number of ESO players online right now, per megaserver.
2. Average weight, in pounds, of Molag Bal
3. Cost, in Crowns, of a pewter goblet decoration


EDIT: To be clear, this was a post in the "Duplicate" poll thread. The one that had answers but no question.

MythicEmperor

5.5k or less

willlienellson wrote: »

I wonder if the 33% saying over 15k confused the word "should" in the title with the word "will" and are making a prediction.

At least I hope so. The furnishing cost/grind of these homes is profoundly overwhelming.

If you have to see a $150 credit card charge to get one of these manors, just for the privilege of beginning a never ending grind fest, why bother?

Hopefully so, otherwise I fear for the worst.

MythicEmperor

5.5k or less

Here is my opinion on the matter, not that it will matter to ZO$: Why would anyone pay $100 for something with no function? At least the joke-mount elk had that. You can ride it. What can you do in a house? Stand in it. What can you do in any location in the game? Stand in it. Why should I buy a house when I could just "live" in an empty building of my choice? It has been what us RPers have been doing since the beginning. What can housing do to make my character want to move? I can move a goblet to a different table, and that's about it, and if I want a goblet, its 400 crowns. Housing should not be expensive unless there was storage. Until that is added, they should be no more than 5.5k crowns.

willlienellson

5.5k or less

Flaminir wrote: »

In fact... for that money I would be able to fly all the way from the UK to see ZoS in America in person to tell them how insane their prices were.... Which would likely be more entertaining!

Time to crowd fund that.

Make a youtube video of you taking a vacation including a flight to another continent all for the price of 3 furnished manors just to arrive at Zos and get them on video justifying the real world cost of these houses pixels.

Forztr

Its's a trade off. Make money on the house or make it on the furnishings. If they price houses too high then they have a smaller audience for furnishings. In the real world gaming consoles were typically sold at a loss but the games were real money makers same goes for printers, sell the printer for buttons and the ink for gold.

I expect them to sell the houses for a lot because their pricing strategy as always been dumb. I would also like to work at Zenimax since they seen to have a strange world view on the value of money which makes me think that the salaries are really good there.

Totes-Bode

The Elk was 4500 crowns, so I don't think a manor will be any less than 15k crowns.

Ra'Shtar

5.5k or less

Totes-Bode wrote: »

The Elk was 4500 crowns, so I don't think a manor will be any less than 15k crowns.

I don't know anyone so crazy to spend 15k crowns for an ingame house especially because there is more than one so total would be over 100k crowns furnished, i know well over 300 people on the game. Also gaming websites would mock ZoS on their articles.

Elsonso

~10k

Furnished or unfurnished?

MythicEmperor

5.5k or less

Totes-Bode wrote: »

The Elk was 4500 crowns, so I don't think a manor will be any less than 15k crowns.

The elk was simply testing the waters. I have seen very few players actually riding one, so hopefully it is safe to assume that it didn't do terribly well.

MythicEmperor

5.5k or less

lordrichter wrote: »

Furnished or unfurnished?

Unfurnished

Elsonso

~10k

MythicEmperor wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Furnished or unfurnished?

Unfurnished

Ok. My thought was furnished for something in the neighborhood of 10k Crowns, the lower end of the neighborhood. For one of the 3 million gold manors. The exclusive furnished island will be in that same neighborhood, but at the upper part.

I have no idea how much value they place on "furnished" but figure it will be somewhere in the 1k-5k range for all of the properties, just based on Crown furniture prices. The furnished houses will be at a discount, compared to ala carte, just to get people to spend the extra up-front.

Recremen

5.5k or less

I'm not personally expecting them to be more than a typical DLC price. 5.5 is already more Crowns than you'd pay for... I think literally anything in the history of the Crown Store, and it's not even something that goes on your character so naturally it would go for less than you'd expect. Closer to 5k keeps them Very Expensive, but accessible. The prices also need to be competitive with the gold prices, and beyond a few outliers who've "never had more than 20k on them" (I still can't believe I actually read that), I think most people are confident that they could eventually scrape together the 3 million for a manor.

SanTii.92

5.5k or less

Considering how the houses itself are just the gate of the actual content that is collecting furniture and decorating i don't expect unfurnish version of any manor cost more than 5k, and that's overpricing them comparing with other dlcs.

Six0

~10k

I'd just like to say that someone did the maths in another thread and depending on which manor you buy, if were to buy all the furnishing individually that comes in the fully furnished packages, it would be around 20000-60000 crowns.

So personally I see furnished version being 2/3x more expensive than unfurnished.

Jim_Pipp

5.5k or less

I know a bit about marketting and zos should not sell the unfurnished manors AND crown store exclusives for more than the largest pack of crowns. It is in their interests not to for these reasons.

The real money is not going to be made off of house's but off the furnishings. The more houses players buy, the more furnishings they need now and may want in the future. The reason we get a free house is the same reason drug dealer's famously say "the first one is free"

Players want more than one house, even if they don't realise it yet. If they are too expensive we will only buy one, BUT if they are surprisingly good value we will buy more - zos needs this if they want to sell better houses in the Crown store later (dwemer/ayleid/daedric).

Manors are aspirational products, but pricing them beyond casual players is a mistake. People will buy ONE pack of crowns for a house, and they may buy more houses over a period of months or years, but there is a psychological hurdle in buying TWO or more packs for one item. The 'whales' will still be harpooned into collecting all houses and all the superior crown store exclusives that ZOS will churn out (instead of content).

The Crown store exclusives (topal hideaway and eartheater cavern) should cost the same as the manors. They have the same space allotment BUT they don't give the titles, so people choose between exclusivity or the tittle.... or if they are more affordable than people expected then people will buy both. More houses equals more furnishings...

Zos is trying to encourage making small crown purchases regularly, rather than big purchases occasionally, and the crown store exclusive furnishings will be the big money maker IF people have enough houses to decorate.

As a final thought, the furnished versions can be much more expensive AS LONG AS the combined value of the included furnishings feel worth it. Topal island comes with over 300 furnishings, and it is hard to estimate how much they would be worth in game. By making furnishings hard to get in-game and easy to get in the Crown store, zos has created the conditions for a culture of micro-transactions in a crown store which has been dominated by large one off purchases.

I think zos risks offending and alienating players by overcharging. Players who complain about this are not necessarily feeling entitled, and perhaps should be thanked for caring enough about the game to come to the official forums to share their feedback (no matter how inelegantly).

BlackSparrow

~10k

This is still my guess. I'm hoping it will be less, but I'm bracing for more. So, I've settled on this middle-ground number as what I'd be willing to pay for a manor.

I do think people who insist that they shouldn't go over the price of a Crown pack (5.5k) have a good point... but that still strikes me as a pretty low price for essentially your own instance to play around in. Given that mounts are hitting 4.5k now? I would be very surprised (albeit pleasantly so!) if the top-tier houses were only 1k over that.

So I'm thinking two crown packs (~10k) for a furnished manor. Not so ridiculously overpriced that no one is going to get them ever, but high enough that not as many people will take the easy way out of paying the prohibitive in-game prices.

MythicEmperor

5.5k or less

BlackSparrow wrote: »

This is still my guess. I'm hoping it will be less, but I'm bracing for more. So, I've settled on this middle-ground number as what I'd be willing to pay for a manor.

I do think people who insist that they shouldn't go over the price of a Crown pack (5.5k) have a good point... but that still strikes me as a pretty low price for essentially your own instance to play around in. Given that mounts are hitting 4.5k now? I would be very surprised (albeit pleasantly so!) if the top-tier houses were only 1k over that.

So I'm thinking two crown packs (~10k) for a furnished manor. Not so ridiculously overpriced that no one is going to get them ever, but high enough that not as many people will take the easy way out of paying the prohibitive in-game prices.

In my opinion, the sole purpose of the ridiculous gold cost is to push players towards the crown store. Furthermore, mounts have utility. You can ride them to get anywhere faster, whereas houses are lacking in function.

idk

15k or more

Pangnirtung wrote: »

What we say has little effect on what is finally done with regards to housing costs.

Someone at ZOS has probably got it charted out if the costs are outrageous there won't be sales and if the costs are minimal they won't make money which is their reason for existence.

And Zos does have business people making pricing decisions. The forum will have zero affect on crown pricing.

DeadlyRecluse

I am expecting/hoping for 5.5 for unfurnished, and double that for furnished.

MythicEmperor

5.5k or less

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Pangnirtung wrote: »

What we say has little effect on what is finally done with regards to housing costs.

Someone at ZOS has probably got it charted out if the costs are outrageous there won't be sales and if the costs are minimal they won't make money which is their reason for existence.

And Zos does have business people making pricing decisions. The forum will have zero affect on crown pricing.

While this may be true, one can still hope. Why else would they not release the crown prices on the PTS? IMHO, the player's thoughts at least have some impact, otherwise the prices would be known. One could also argue that it is to prevent the hype from being killed, but I like to think that it is the former.

Danikat

5.5k or less

I wouldn't like to guess. I've read, and been involved in, a lot of the debates on price and honestly I could see it going either way. There are benefits and risks to ZOS for charging a lot or making them relatively affordable or going somewhere in the middle and I have no way of knowing which of those factors are their priority.

Flaminir wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

I think it's reasonably expected that Zos will price unfurnished majors at 10k minimum based on their other pricing of other items. Probably more. Add another 5k to 10k crowns for a fully furnished manor.

And thing less would make the good pricing a joke and pointless.

TBH... there are 5 manors... you need 3 to get the title...

If you are saying they should be 10k each, plus another 10k as furnished then that is the equivalent to approx £100 EACH!

£100... just for a virtual house with zero functionality (As they are on PTS now) and where they will still expect to entice people to buy all the other crown store fluff to go with them.

So £500 for the set!!!

That's the very epitome of 'joke' pricing in my opinion.

In fact... for that money I would be able to fly all the way from the UK to see ZoS in America in person to tell them how insane their prices were.... Which would likely be more entertaining!

Minor correction here: There are 3 manors - each gives their own title and you need all 3 to get the 4th title. Those are Serenity Falls Estate (AD), Daggerfall Overlook (DC) and Ebonheart Chateau (EP). They're the ones which cost 3,775,000 - 3,785,000 gold.

Somewhat confusingly the two houses with manor in their name (Old Mistveil Manor and Mathiisen Manor) are classed as 'large houses' - the ones which cost around 1 million gold.

(Which doesn't make the idea of charging £100 each for them any less crazy in my opinion.)

BlackSparrow

~10k

MythicEmperor wrote: »

BlackSparrow wrote: »

This is still my guess. I'm hoping it will be less, but I'm bracing for more. So, I've settled on this middle-ground number as what I'd be willing to pay for a manor.

I do think people who insist that they shouldn't go over the price of a Crown pack (5.5k) have a good point... but that still strikes me as a pretty low price for essentially your own instance to play around in. Given that mounts are hitting 4.5k now? I would be very surprised (albeit pleasantly so!) if the top-tier houses were only 1k over that.

So I'm thinking two crown packs (~10k) for a furnished manor. Not so ridiculously overpriced that no one is going to get them ever, but high enough that not as many people will take the easy way out of paying the prohibitive in-game prices.

In my opinion, the sole purpose of the ridiculous gold cost is to push players towards the crown store. Furthermore, mounts have utility. You can ride them to get anywhere faster, whereas houses are lacking in function.

And if everyone bought things for function alone, no one would buy any mounts but the cheapest ones, for the sole purpose of riding them. Same principle applies here... I fully expect the small houses to be priced at 1k or less. But for the manors, which come with a title? 10k doesn't sound nuts to me. I'm not going to protest if it's less, but ~10k is what I'm willing to accept.

I also protest to the idea that houses lack in function. It's not direct, but there is a function to housing, and that is to add gameplay through the use of the furnishing system. And for that, it's the same as the mounts... the lower cost mounts do the exact same thing that the higher cost ones do, but the higher cost ones are (usually) more desirable from a cosmetic standpoint. Same goes for the houses.

But to each their own. I'm an RPer who expects to spend a lot of time playing around inside my houses, so I'm willing to pay for that gameplay. Other people aren't, because it doesn't serve much purpose for their in-game activities. And if that's the case? I don't really see why they feel compelled to buy the priciest houses in the first place, other than for a sense of completion at having the achievements.

Elsonso

~10k

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Considering how the houses itself are just the gate of the actual content that is collecting furniture and decorating i don't expect unfurnish version of any manor cost more than 5k, and that's overpricing them comparing with other dlcs.

The 3 million gold manor is a grind that they do not want people to do. They want people to buy Crowns and use them to buy that manor. Therefore, an unfurnished manor will be priced such that people would be "crazy" to pay gold.

What really matters is getting people to use Crowns instead of Gold.

I still think that Furnished will be ~10k, though.

Flaminir

~10k

Danikat wrote: »

I wouldn't like to guess. I've read, and been involved in, a lot of the debates on price and honestly I could see it going either way. There are benefits and risks to ZOS for charging a lot or making them relatively affordable or going somewhere in the middle and I have no way of knowing which of those factors are their priority.

Flaminir wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

I think it's reasonably expected that Zos will price unfurnished majors at 10k minimum based on their other pricing of other items. Probably more. Add another 5k to 10k crowns for a fully furnished manor.

And thing less would make the good pricing a joke and pointless.

TBH... there are 5 manors... you need 3 to get the title...

If you are saying they should be 10k each, plus another 10k as furnished then that is the equivalent to approx £100 EACH!

£100... just for a virtual house with zero functionality (As they are on PTS now) and where they will still expect to entice people to buy all the other crown store fluff to go with them.

So £500 for the set!!!

That's the very epitome of 'joke' pricing in my opinion.

In fact... for that money I would be able to fly all the way from the UK to see ZoS in America in person to tell them how insane their prices were.... Which would likely be more entertaining!

Minor correction here: There are 3 manors - each gives their own title and you need all 3 to get the 4th title. Those are Serenity Falls Estate (AD), Daggerfall Overlook (DC) and Ebonheart Chateau (EP). They're the ones which cost 3,775,000 - 3,785,000 gold.

Somewhat confusingly the two houses with manor in their name (Old Mistveil Manor and Mathiisen Manor) are classed as 'large houses' - the ones which cost around 1 million gold.

(Which doesn't make the idea of charging £100 each for them any less crazy in my opinion.)

@Danikat I was referring to the Island and cavern, which are classed as manors but are crown store exclusive.

As you say, they aren't connected to the title, but are still in that Manor category in the crown store.

Seriously tempted to not buy one and instead fly out to the USA on the money saved... if they are THAT expensive ;o)