Why were Colovian furnishings removed? Now Imperial homes have no furniture

MLGProPlayer

UPDATE: As of PTS patch 2.7.2 all Colovian furnishings have been removed from the game, meaning that the Imperial homes don't have a native furniture style anymore (you need to mix and match using other racial styles).

I just realized that there are no imperial furnishings in the crown store.

There are "Nibenese" furnishings, but these are "Roman" in style. The style of the imperial houses in the game is not Roman. Moreover, if you buy an imperial home pre-furnished, it comes with all sorts of imperial furnishings (which are completely different from the Nibenese ones). But I can't find those anywhere in the actual store to buy.

All other racial furnishings appear there.

Is this an oversight, or have they just not been added into the PTS yet? It would suck to buy an imperial home, and then have to decorate it with furnishings that don't match the style.

old_mufasa

"The style of the imperial houses in the game is not Roman"

well its Greco-Roman... also the imperials are based on a Roman theme.. doesn't mean they are Roman in everything.

Granted I've only seen screen shots but the house looked to me like the same style in Anvil and that is Greco-Roman

Recremen

Nibenese is Imperial is Cyrodiilic. Well, Nibenese culture is a specific subset of Cyrod culture, but you get the idea. It is heavy influenced by "Roman" styles but it is not truly Roman, same as many Orsimer aesthetics are reminiscent of Mongolian objects, but is not actually Mongolian.

MLGProPlayer

old_mufasa wrote: »

"The style of the imperial houses in the game is not Roman"

well its Greco-Roman... also the imperials are based on a Roman theme.. doesn't mean they are Roman in everything.

Granted I've only seen screen shots but the house looked to me like the same style in Anvil and that is Greco-Roman

The houses available in the game look more Gothic than Greco-Roman. They're definitely not the same style as Gold Coast or Hollowed City. See below:



But my point is that there are two imperial styles in the game:

"Imperial" and "Nibenese". They look completely different. The Nibenese furnishings don't match the imperial homes at all.

You can't actually buy the "Imperial" style in the crown store though. It's only available if you buy a pre-furnished Imperial home. I'm asking ZOS why they aren't selling individual pieces of the "Imperial" style in the store.

Totes-Bode

Bananas require 10 nickel. That kinda makes them Imperial. shrug

MLGProPlayer

Recremen wrote: »

Nibenese is Imperial is Cyrodiilic. Well, Nibenese culture is a specific subset of Cyrod culture, but you get the idea. It is heavy influenced by "Roman" styles but it is not truly Roman, same as many Orsimer aesthetics are reminiscent of Mongolian objects, but is not actually Mongolian.

My point is that they're treated as different styles in the game. There is "Imperial" and there is "Nibenese".

"Imperial" is distinctly Gothic while "Nibenese" is Greco-Roman. But the only way you can get Imperial furnishings is if you buy a pre-furnished imperial house. They don't sell individual pieces of the "imperial" style.

Here is an example of the light posts:



The one on the left is "Nibenese", right is "Imperial".

If I want another imperial light post, I have no way of obtaining it (unless it's available through crafting).

Paging @ZOS_GinaBruno‌. Can you confirm that Imperial style will be added to the crown store in a later build?

old_mufasa

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

old_mufasa wrote: »

"The style of the imperial houses in the game is not Roman"

well its Greco-Roman... also the imperials are based on a Roman theme.. doesn't mean they are Roman in everything.

Granted I've only seen screen shots but the house looked to me like the same style in Anvil and that is Greco-Roman

The houses available in the game look more Gothic than Greco-Roman. They're definitely not the same style as Gold Coast or Hollowed City. See below:



But my point is that there are two imperial styles in the game:

"Imperial" and "Nibenese". They look completely different. The Nibenese furnishings don't match the imperial homes at all.

You can't actually buy the "Imperial" style in the crown store though. It's only available if you buy a pre-furnished Imperial home. I'm asking ZOS why they aren't selling individual pieces of the "Imperial" style in the store.

Odd the screen shots I saw look nothing like that.. I wonder if the site took shots of other houses guessing they would look like that..

You right those house do not look Imperial... that's to bad.. I liked the fake Greco-Roman screen shots of the Imperial houses more then that gothic style..

ixie

I'm no expert on the lore side of things, however, it's not possible on the current version of PTS to craft Nibenese furniture or Imperial furniture, also I think I saw Cyrodiilic furniture datamined somewhere.

With the other races able to craft in their racial style, you would think the Imperial furniture would also be available to craft, possibly restricted to those with the Imperial Edition of the game.

Danikat

There seems to be at least a few items which are only available by buying a house pre-furnished. The 'Firelogs, Ashen' and the display sets of books are the ones I've noticed. (At least I can't find any other way to get them.)

But I'm surprised that an entire racial style would be included in this list.

Hopefully it's because when this update went on the PTS it wasn't completely finished, just functional enough for us to try it out, and they've got more stuff to add. But it wouldn't surprise me if it's deliberately being kept back for some reason.

baratron

Cyrodiil is split into two regions, Nibenay and Colovia. The Gold Coast is part of Colovia, as is Chorrol. Cheydinhal and Bruma are part of Nibenay. Skingrad, Bravil and Leyawiin are not yet in ESO.

Since there are Nibenese items for sale in the PTS Crown Store, I was expecting to also find Colovian items, but as yet there are none. Also there is no explicitly "Imperial" furniture so far. I'm curious about this, as well as why the three "Imperial" houses are furnished with a mix of Nibenese and Breton furniture. I hadn't noticed any items in them named as Imperial, but I'll believe you that the lamp posts are - I'm too tired to go back into the PTS now to check.

Certainly there are furniture items missing from the PTS Crown Store. There isn't a Redguard single bed, for instance, even though these exist in Alik'r (e.g. in the devastated inn in Kozanset). I don't know whether ZOS is planning to add Colovian-style furniture. I'm also unsure of how Imperial-style items/houses are going to be limited to people who own the Imperial Edition of the game, as they have suggested will be the case. I hope that more will become clear before release.

MLGProPlayer

Interesting development this patch.

All the "imperial" (or Colovian style) furniture has been removed from the game and replaced with Nibenese furniture (which is now called "imperial"). As a result, all of the pre-furnished imperial homes have been re-designed with the Nibenese furnishings.

I don't like this since, as mentioned earlier, the Nibenese style clashes with the style of the actual home.

Look at the new lamp posts (completely different stone style and colour):



I'm guessing there weren't enough Colovian furniture assets to cover every furniture category so they scrapped the entire style. That's unfortunate because the new Imperial furniture doesn't match the house house style at all.

For anyone planning on getting an imperial home, I've found that most of the Dark Elf stuff, as well as some of the Orc and Breton furnishings fit nicely with the house's style.

ixie

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Interesting development this patch.

All the "imperial" (or Colovian style) furniture has been removed from the game and replaced with Nibenese furniture (which is now called "imperial"). As a result, all of the pre-furnished imperial homes have been re-designed with the Nibenese furnishings.

I don't like this since, as mentioned earlier, the Nibenese style clashes with the style of the actual home.

Look at the new lamp posts (completely different stone style and colour):



I'm guessing there weren't enough Colovian furniture assets to cover every furniture category so they scrapped the entire style. That's unfortunate because the new Imperial furniture doesn't match the house house style at all.

For anyone planning on getting an imperial home, I've found that most of the Dark Elf stuff, as well as some of the Orc and Breton furnishings fit nicely with the house's style.

I reported this in game today, I certainly won't be buying any of the Imperial houses with crowns if it stays like this

MLGProPlayer

tribbsb16_ESO wrote: »

I reported this in game today, I certainly won't be buying any of the Imperial houses with crowns if it stays like this

The unfurnished versions of the houses come with a few free furnishings (like lightposts). These will just be an extra expense now since I'll need to re-craft them. The Nibenese ones are such an eye sore.

If they didn't have enough furniture assets for the Colovian homes, then they should have given us Nibenese style homes. Clearly they didn't think this through.

MLGProPlayer

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Houses are going to cost people a lot of money (whether in-game money or real money). Imperial homes especially since they are tied to a crown store upgrade.

So let's not half ass this and do it right!

Danikat

This topic was the first thing I thought of when I saw the line in the patch notes. The way it's written makes it sound like it's a simple renaming - some Imperial style stuff was called Nibenese, some Colovian, some Imperial and now it's all Imperial. But as shown there are (or were) distinctly different styles within these categories which are now gone.

As a first step I think it's good to make it consistent - that an Imperial home comes with Imperial style furnishings which are the same as Imperial style furnishings available elsewhere. But they should also match the houses.

It would also be nice if the removed items were made available as well so people can get them if they want them.

ixie

A video from ESO Fashion of how it used to look

https://youtu.be/sJAWB5z_6l4?t=36

MLGProPlayer

So I did some snooping around Vile Manse and Kvatch today to try and see what assets they removed from the game. Here a few of the more prominent ones:

In the current PTS, only the Nibenese version of these assets is present.

I really hope this was a mistake and not intended...

If their intention was to remove one of the imperial styles in order to simplify things, then they removed the wrong style since all the player homes are Colovian.

For reference, this is what a Nibenese home looks like:

This is what the Imperial furnishings currently available on the PTS are designed to match (instead of the actual player houses).

Enodoc

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

For reference, this is what Nibenese homes look like:

Is that Anvil? Anvil shouldn't be Nibenese.

Definitely agree with the comments here that any "Imperial" furnishings should be Colovian rather than Nibenese, since all the "Imperial" houses are Colovian. It would be better to have just kept the names as they were though, as Colovian and Nibenese styles are very different.

@Dominoid are you able to confirm from your spreadsheet the changes that have been made to Imperial/Colovian/Nibenese furnishings?

Yuls

Slightly off-topic: Last time I checked, even Cheydinhal was in colovian style. Someone should tell those poor folks still living there that they did have the wrong lamp posts for all those years. (Edit: Nevermind. Just watched a newer video, and actually they did change the lamp posts...or some of them.)

I would love to have both styles around, with the furnished version fitting the house, and the possibility to buy the other style too.

Dominoid

Enodoc wrote: »

Is that Anvil? Anvil shouldn't be Nibenese.

Definitely agree with the comments here that any "Imperial" furnishings should be Colovian rather than Nibenese, since all the "Imperial" houses are Colovian. It would be better to have just kept the names as they were though, as Colovian and Nibenese styles are very different.

@Dominoid are you able to confirm from your spreadsheet the changes that have been made to Imperial/Colovian/Nibenese furnishings?

@Enodoc, I can not confirm. I didn't grab item IDs in 2.7.1. I did add the column to 2.7.2 though. So I can't see what IDs from 2.7.1 became Imperial in 2.7.2. ;-(

Enodoc

Dominoid wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

@Dominoid are you able to confirm from your spreadsheet the changes that have been made to Imperial/Colovian/Nibenese furnishings?

@Enodoc, I can not confirm. I didn't grab item IDs in 2.7.1. I did add the column to 2.7.2 though. So I can't see what IDs from 2.7.1 became Imperial in 2.7.2. ;-(

Ah, fair enough. I can always try to work it out from the UESP database (which I think is 2.7.0).
http://esoitem.uesp.net/dumpMinedItems.php?type=61&output=html&version=13pts&fields=itemId,icon,name,description,style,bindType,value,quality,setBonusDesc4,setBonusDesc5

Dominoid

@Enodoc, Using the UESP link, the "Nibenese" furniture from 2.7.0 became "Imperial" in 2.7.2. Their was never any "Colovian" items in the code for furniture.

ixie

Dominoid wrote: »

@Enodoc, Using the UESP link, the "Nibenese" furniture from 2.7.0 became "Imperial" in 2.7.2. Their was never any "Colovian" items in the code for furniture.

I think the Colovian style items were named Imperial in the previous patch

MLGProPlayer

tribbsb16_ESO wrote: »

Dominoid wrote: »

@Enodoc, Using the UESP link, the "Nibenese" furniture from 2.7.0 became "Imperial" in 2.7.2. Their was never any "Colovian" items in the code for furniture.

I think the Colovian style items were named Imperial in the previous patch

This. Except you weren't able to buy or craft it. You could only acquire it if you purchased a pre-furnished Imperial home.

Instead of making that style available for purchase or crafting, ZOS just completely removed it from the game this patch. Then they renamed Nibenese to Imperial. The pre-furnished houses have all been redecorated in the Nibenese style. They seem to have done a mass replace of the assets since there is occasional clipping/floating where the new asset is a different size from the old one. As noted earlier, they also don't match the house's style.

The best showcaae of the Colovian furniture style would be if you looked at footage of the imperial homes from the last patch on Youtube. You can also see it in-game in the Vile Manse and Kvatch.

ixie

If only we could right click and convert to Imperial and it be back to the correct style. I love the Imperial houses, it's like having a piece of Cyrodiil to make your own, I hope this gets sorted out

willlienellson

Imperial package subscriber. Loved the look for Imperial Homes. Was excited to buy one.

Not now. What a shame.

Incognitius

I've also compared the current Strident Springs Demesme with the one from the video, and indeed, you can clearly see the difference. The furniture has a different shade of wood than the rest of the house, and items that use stone (such as the lantern) has a different stone colour as well.

Also the motif on the furniture is different. In the woodworkings of the house itself you can see the use of meanders. This was also used in the old furniture. The new furniture has a floral motif.

Shame, I guess no imperial home for me.

bellatrixed

This is really upsetting since I was planning on getting both the large and medium Imperial houses...

Please address this ZOS!

JarlUlfric

@Enodoc Even though it appears to be Nibenese, the reasoning was that it appeared true to what it looked like in Oblivion. When the Gold Coast came out I made an album comparing all the noticeable buildings in this album.

http://imgur.com/a/2SE95

Enodoc

JarlUlfric wrote: »

@Enodoc Even though it appears to be Nibenese, the reasoning was that it appeared true to what it looked like in Oblivion. When the Gold Coast came out I made an album comparing all the noticeable buildings in this album.

http://imgur.com/a/2SE95

Yeah sure, I remember that comparison. So is it actually the same as the true Nibenese architecture found elsewhere, or is it something else?

Shadowshire

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

old_mufasa wrote: »

"The style of the imperial houses in the game is not Roman"

well its Greco-Roman... also the imperials are based on a Roman theme.. doesn't mean they are Roman in everything.

Granted I've only seen screen shots but the house looked to me like the same style in Anvil and that is Greco-Roman

The houses available in the game look more Gothic than Greco-Roman. They're definitely not the same style as Gold Coast or Hollowed City. See below:



But my point is that there are two imperial styles in the game:

"Imperial" and "Nibenese". They look completely different. The Nibenese furnishings don't match the imperial homes at all.

You can't actually buy the "Imperial" style in the crown store though. It's only available if you buy a pre-furnished Imperial home. I'm asking ZOS why they aren't selling individual pieces of the "Imperial" style in the store.

Perhaps the development team plans to offer a Nibenese Imperial Manor in the future, and they have the furnishings ready for purchase in the Crown Store. But they forgot to create additional Colovian furnishings for the current offering. Perhaps they did create additional Colovian furnishings, but omitted them from the Crown Store. Why does this situation not surprise me?

Regardless, in the current PTS, Strident Springs Demesne is the only Imperial manor. When I previewed it furnished, the items were more-or-less what I expected to see. If those haven't changed, fine, but you are right that there should be additional Colovian furnishings that the player can buy from the Crown Store.

So, I haven't decided whether to buy that Colovian Imperial estate, but, if I do, then I suppose that I would have to buy it with Crowns, furnished without any options -- at least initially, if ever -- to change much, if anything, or to add Colovian furnishings.

Paying 1,280,000 GP for Strident Springs Demesne without any Colovian furnishings available from the Crown store is a really sour note. Frankly, though, I am disinclined to spend Crowns for the initial purchase, since my characters have enough GP to buy it. So, whether I buy the manor depends upon how much time and trouble crafting the furnishings will prove to be and/or how much they would cost in GP from Guild Stores.

For that matter, I don't know yet whether Colovian furnishings can be crafted in the game. Then again, from everything I've read about furniture crafting, it is such a time-consuming and resource-intensive endeavor, a player must be a truly dedicated crafter whose characters don't do much of anything else. What a crock!

The more I think about the way that Homesteads have been implemented in the game, the more inclined I am to simply ignore the feature entirely. There are just too many problems, too many costs in time, effort and Crowns, and too few meaningful benefits.