TBS for trials after homestead changes

rafaelcsmaia

Hey guys, any of you that have access to PTS have tested it to know how much of a nerf the new warhorn will be to tbs?

j_s

What's the nerf exactly? Please do explain

Asmael

Shadow provides 18.3% critical damage to abilities. The old warhorn acted as a 1.3 multiplier, so for as long as Major Force is up, you'd actually get 23.79% critical damage (or 5.49% less than previously).

best way to compare would be to consider your total critical damage instead. For the sake of simplicity, let's say Shadow provides 18%, minor force 12%, 10% from CPs and you're a NB / templar (so 10% extra crit). All of these would provide you with 50 (base) + 18 (Shadow) + 12 (Minor force, usually Rearming trap) + 10 (CPs) + 10 (temp / NB), for a total of 100% critical damage, so all your critical hits are doubled (no Major Force).

On live, you get 100 * 1.3 = 130% critical potency as long as Major Force is up (100% uptime).
On PTS, you get 100 + 15 = 115% critical potency as long as Major Force is up (100% uptime).

In a more realistic situation (heavily dependent on group and warhorn rotations, here are your actual average crit potencies for 35 and 50% uptime:

On live with 35% uptime: (100 * 1.3 * 0.35) + 100 * ( 1 - 0.35 ) = 110.5% critical potency.
On PTS with 35% uptime: (100 + 15 ) * 0.35 + 100 * ( 1 - 0.35 ) = 105.25% critical potency.

A 4.75% difference.

On live with 50% uptime: (100 * 1.3 * 0.5) + 100 * ( 1 - 0.5 ) = 115% critical potency.
On PTS with 50% uptime: (100 + 15 ) * 0.5 + 100 * ( 1 - 0.5 ) = 107.5% critical potency.

A 7.5% difference.

Those results are then multiplicative with your critical chance.

Supposing all events being even, you'd have for a few critical chance values (assuming same setup otherwise):

Live / 35% uptime / 50% critical chance: 55.25% DPS increase from critical hits
Live / 35% uptime / 70% critical chance: 77.35% DPS increase from critical hits
Live / 35% uptime / 80% critical chance: 88.4% DPS increase from critical hits

PTS / 35% uptime / 50% critical chance: 52.625% DPS increase from critical hits
PTS / 35% uptime / 70% critical chance: 73.625% DPS increase from critical hits
PTS / 35% uptime / 80% critical chance: 84.2% DPS increase from critical hits

Live / 50% uptime / 50% critical chance: 57.5% DPS increase from critical hits
Live / 50% uptime / 70% critical chance: 80.5% DPS increase from critical hits
Live / 50% uptime / 80% critical chance: 92% DPS increase from critical hits

PTS / 50% uptime / 50% critical chance: 53.75% DPS increase from critical hits
PTS / 50% uptime / 70% critical chance: 75.25% DPS increase from critical hits
PTS / 50% uptime / 80% critical chance: 86% DPS increase from critical hits

Interesting point: the lower your crit damage, the lower the difference between PTS and live. Some builds (mag sorc for instance) don't run minor force and don't have a passive 10% crit bonus.*

* NB: those calculations are still considered with 18% from Shadow, not 18.3%, altho the difference is insignificant.

Lashiing

tbs is screwed
stamina builds wont be viable for trials

gonna have to go magicka with ilam/groth, bsw, moon/ia

Bandit1215

Lashiing wrote: »

tbs is screwed
stamina builds wont be viable for trials

gonna have to go magicka with ilam/groth, bsw, moon/ia

Lol, k

Thrasher91604

Good luck with that...

STEVIL

So the answer to like 90% of the build dps style questions wont be "TBS-thief-shadow and the rest"?

Sounds like progress if true.

Lord-Otto

STEVIL wrote: »

So the answer to like 90% of the build dps style questions wont be "TBS-thief-shadow and the rest"?

Sounds like progress if true.

Was only the case in organized trials.
Without Warhorns, Scath and Julianos were stronger. BSW on ceratin builds, as well.
At least for magicka.

Bobby_V_Rockit

So it'll just be thief+warrior

Siliziumdioxid

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

So it'll just be thief+warrior

Not the best Idea, since Hunding's give more Weaponpower than Warrior Mundus stone.

Rev Rielle

Siliziumdioxid wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

So it'll just be thief+warrior

Not the best Idea, since Hunding's give more Weaponpower than Warrior Mundus stone.

Which is a little bit crazy when you think about.
It would be nice if development did a pass through mundus stones and re-balanced them a touch at some point.