Considering a switch to PC

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Dantonian_Rarstiana wrote: »

PC = A better player experience if you take the game even a little bit seriously.

Console = A better player experience if you play 100% casually.

PC = Baseball is only good with steroids

Console = You enjoy playing the game the way it was intended in a fair fight.

Runs

Why does this thread need to turn into an ignorant PC vs Console argument?

The question wasn't a hard one to answer but seems like some would rather avoid it and argue with each other instead.

From the other thread created asking this question...

Runs wrote: »

A little bit faster than currently.

That's it a little bit.

((TotalPoints / (Cap ^ 0.995)) + 0.085) * 400000

Is the formula used for under Cap, there is a slight modification for being over cap which I don't personally have as it has never been a concern for going over.

Here is a spreadsheet I made that for 0-561 CP, I just added a column for the new 600 CP cap. It was accurate at my last check when I switched it to 561 from 531.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yIkVrDEHbtvk7894bENGMWLPcOExBY8I6GdnIcPs5bw

561 cap... At 330 CP the next CP will cost ~276,859 exp and the total of all the CP you have already earned is 51,032,843 exp.
600 cap...At 330 CP the next CP will cost ~261,150 exp and the total of all the CP you have already earned is 48,435,526 exp.

So you will save roughly an hour of enlightened gameplay over the course of 330 CP.

And adding to it, the playtime could also be maximized during the transition Get one character to 50, use up the 4.8m initial enlightenment which will get you to over 80 cp... then build up your alts while the enlightenment builds back up. Any +100% exp events will also help.

Unsent.Soul

Dantonian_Rarstiana wrote: »

PC = A better player experience if you take the game even a little bit seriously.

Console = A better player experience if you play 100% casually.

I would disregard this opinion 100% OP.

FortheloveofKrist

Egonieser wrote: »

Toast_STS wrote: »

Add-ons are just handicaps for plebs. It's like using a GameShark to beat goldeneye. Stick with console.

[SNIp]
Addons do not allow you to do anything that you cannot do yourself. Yet you compare something like a minimap or a more convenient inventory, mail/guild/trade management tools to a blatant cheat/hack? Just shows how greatly educated some console folks really are.

[Edited for bait]

Gotta call BS on this one. At least on console there isn't a NB class-breaking PvP addon that feeds players info about nearby stealthed enemies.

I started on PC, then switched to console. Great move, imo.

The only reason I would want to play on PC is for the PTS. But since I already have a PC account, I can do that already anyways.

TequilaFire

What I do is play on both PC since beta and PS4 since it's launch.
I find I make friends easier and the PvP is better on PS4 because of the always available guild voice chat.
That being said I do also enjoy the better graphics, combat metrics addon and faster character movement on PC.
Best of both worlds, no need to just switch permanently.
Gives me 16 characters! lol

SnubbS

Would love to switch to PC. The performance looks so much better, the addons look amazing -- it just looks great. I've never heard of any stupid glitches either.

Right now on console (and it's been like this since thieves guild) if you run vMA there's almost a guaranteed chance that you're going to lagout while switching stages.

So to not lagout (lagging out makes your times slower, and doesn't allow you to get flawless) you have to do these steps, in this order.

• Abandon every quest you have.
• Empty your inventory, so that there only 10-20 slots taken up. 9/120 for instance.
• Travel to vMA, and pick up the quest
• Dashboard, go to storage, and then hit "Clear local saved games"
• After doing so, quickly load back into your character which was in vMA -- if you did it fast enough, you'll load into the spot in vMA where you left off, and you're free to try for a decent score/flawless.

Somehow I just don't think I'd have to do all that on PC. I don't even think PS4 has to do that.

Aurielle

Egonieser wrote: »

Davor wrote: »

I played on Xbox One, went to PC went back to Xbox One. While the graphics are nicer on PC it all depends on the PC you have. While I never used mods or ad-ons, you might have a lot of slowdowns you might not be aware of from Xbox One. Just wanted to bring that out.

So it really means is it worth for you to have those ad-ons? It will take you a while to get you where you are now. Good thing is, you won't loose your Xbox One character and it will always be there for you when you want to come back.

So question is, how much are you willing to pay to get these ad-ons? Also how much time are you willing to redo everything as well?

For the game to have worse performance and slowdowns than XB1, you really would need to have a 10+ year old tater.
My wife plays on a bogstandard Acer laptop with i5 5200 and GT 840, 8GB RAM and performance is buttery smooth on med-high settings, even in Cyrodiil (except for latency at times), and that's with about 20 addons running.
I don't even think they manufacture PC hardware that would be incapable of running ESO in this day and age, even from the budget range.
Heck, it's even playable with Intel graphics that go with the i5 5200, even though on lower settings, 30 fps is reachable and thus, more than playable.

That wasn't my experience. I started out playing the game on a four year old $699 laptop with 8 gigs of ram, a 2.5 Ghz AMD processor, and a Radeon HD 8650G graphics card. I could get 30-60 FPS on medium with all graphical extras (shadows, anti-aliasing, grass, etc) completely disabled before One Tamriel, but the game became more or less unplayable for me after that point. I had to turn sub-sampling down to medium to get stable FPS, and it was hideous. For CDN $379, I upgraded to a PS4, which offered me a SIGNIFICANTLY better ESO experience, performance- and graphics-wise.

Unless you have the ability to build your own PC (or know someone who can do it for you), the idea that there is a budget PC out there that can run ESO just as well as the latest consoles (and for around the same price) is a myth.

OnThaLoose

I didn't read everyone's comments, but wanted to say: yes do it

I xferred to PC from Xbox, and haven't looked back. I was about 400cp at the time. I'm now maxed on PC.

Reasons for the switch for me was:
It runs 60fps and looks much better
Addons
More mature players
Text chat (console didn't have it at the time)
More stabilized economy. When I switched a elegant lining was 2000 gold on Xbox, it was 200 gold on PC.

Just my thoughts, but it was worth it to me. If you switch, add me and I'll help you get started: @OnThaLoose

GawdSB

I have it for PC but I came right back to Xbox. That grind not just to lvl 50, but all the way to CP 160. Then to the CP you left off and then to max CP is a lot of work to do. I'll probably slowly use the PC one but I'm going to continue on my Xbox.

danno8

Aurielle wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

Davor wrote: »

I played on Xbox One, went to PC went back to Xbox One. While the graphics are nicer on PC it all depends on the PC you have. While I never used mods or ad-ons, you might have a lot of slowdowns you might not be aware of from Xbox One. Just wanted to bring that out.

So it really means is it worth for you to have those ad-ons? It will take you a while to get you where you are now. Good thing is, you won't loose your Xbox One character and it will always be there for you when you want to come back.

So question is, how much are you willing to pay to get these ad-ons? Also how much time are you willing to redo everything as well?

For the game to have worse performance and slowdowns than XB1, you really would need to have a 10+ year old tater.
My wife plays on a bogstandard Acer laptop with i5 5200 and GT 840, 8GB RAM and performance is buttery smooth on med-high settings, even in Cyrodiil (except for latency at times), and that's with about 20 addons running.
I don't even think they manufacture PC hardware that would be incapable of running ESO in this day and age, even from the budget range.
Heck, it's even playable with Intel graphics that go with the i5 5200, even though on lower settings, 30 fps is reachable and thus, more than playable.

That wasn't my experience. I started out playing the game on a four year old $699 laptop with 8 gigs of ram, a 2.5 Ghz AMD processor, and a Radeon HD 8650G graphics card. I could get 30-60 FPS on medium with all graphical extras (shadows, anti-aliasing, grass, etc) completely disabled before One Tamriel, but the game became more or less unplayable for me after that point. I had to turn sub-sampling down to medium to get stable FPS, and it was hideous. For CDN $379, I upgraded to a PS4, which offered me a SIGNIFICANTLY better ESO experience, performance- and graphics-wise.

Unless you have the ability to build your own PC (or know someone who can do it for you), the idea that there is a budget PC out there that can run ESO just as well as the latest consoles (and for around the same price) is a myth.

Honestly, building a PC is not very difficult at all. Since the internet you can look up what you need, buy it, have it delivered to your door and have it all put together in a couple hours. There are less than 10 components in most PC's.

I agree that PC's are more expensive than consoles, but the reason for that is obvious.

DannyLV702

Egonieser wrote: »

Toast_STS wrote: »

Add-ons are just handicaps for plebs. It's like using a GameShark to beat goldeneye. Stick with console.

[SNIp]
Addons do not allow you to do anything that you cannot do yourself. Yet you compare something like a minimap or a more convenient inventory, mail/guild/trade management tools to a blatant cheat/hack? Just shows how greatly educated some console folks really are.

[Edited for bait]

Are you sure about that? You may want to get educated on add ons a bit more...

Banana

Welcome. Better graphics, performance and addons. No point continuing to slum it with the peasants.

LegacyDM

Riejael wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

One word, miat...

That addon was debunked as having the impact some claimed it would have.

How and who debunked it? Did zos make an official statement yet? Other than they are still reviewing it?

The verdict is still out on whether being able to detect enemy attacks occuring from stealth before they hit is cheating. In addition to knowing there are stealthed enemies in the area. Where is the element of surprise for players who sneak up to the backside of a keep to ninja siege? Or how about players buffing themselves knowing enemies are in area and not slotting Magelight because they have an addon?

quake89

Do switch to pc your gaming experience will be 100 times better on the pc than the Xbox I can honestly say that I gave up a 750cp account on xbox to start again on pc and I don't even regret it.

The add ons are a nice touch but what really sets pc apart from Xbox is

1. The graphics
2. Your fps imagine riding around at 100fps even in trials I'm sitting at 40fps which is more than double xbox node farming
3. Load times I don't even think ive encountered this may be anecessary unusually long load screen yet.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

LegacyDM wrote: »

One word, miat...

How would YOU be able to detect an incoming channel or heavy attack occurring from stealth a second or two before it happens? Do you run around every second chugging detect invis pots or have your magelight up every second/minute/hour? Why even use magelight now that you have addons that give you advanced combat notices? or how about detecting a group of people who are currently stealthing in an area, positioning to take a keep? Think you can do this just as easy without an addon? Lol.

OK.

Now ESO sees more players engage with PvP than the industry average, but as that industry average is only about 15% I doubt ESO is at even 50%. PvP in MMORPGs is, and always has been, a minority participation aspect.

However, because of the nature of what PvP is those that do play PvP tend to be the more (even most) competitive players in any game.

Having spent 5 years of my spare time in MMO games actively involved in cheat detection and prevention I am fairly confident that the desire for and origin of most cheats, or even borderline cheat methods, come from that most competitive minority that plays PvP.

I don't PvP in ESO, but I do a lot of reading around on the forums - because I am interested in a healthy game community and a game that meets the consumer needs of all aspects of the game community.

I must confess I am somewhat shocked that Miat's addon has not been banned. In pretty much every MMO game I have played, and especially those where I was engaged in cheat prevention and detection Miat's addon would be considered a full on cheat, and would almost certainly lead to players being banned.

That "how" it does what it does does not break the rules would be irrelevant IMO. Because what it does is give players information on a permanent and automatic basis for which there is no normal in-game method of attainment.

However, the existence of one very, very questionable PvP Addon does not indicate that all addons, PvP or PvE are borderline cheats.

All The Best

HereKittehKitteh

You can always play both. I play both and at first i was concerned when started my pc character about earning all that CP again but literally in a few hours i had already earned 50cp. Super super easy to get it now, you barely have to put any effort in. Over half way to 160 and i feel like the grind to level 50 was actually harder than earning CP. The only thing is I'm a master crafter 9 traits on everything apart from 8 trait blacksmithing and I'm very used to making my own gear, enchants, food ect. so the change is very difficult but if you manage to find a good guild like i did you can find a lot of helpful people who will help you out when need gear and so on, until if you want to max crafting on pc. Be prepared though when you're very used to having CP when levelling lowbies you'll really see how much of a difference they make xD

Shabzilla

I'm pretty sure I'll end up giving PC a try. I built a pretty nice rig two years ago, but didn't have people to play any games with really on the PC. This game has been very addicting to me, which is why I'd consider switching to PC, even though grinding would suck.

If I end up not being lazy, I can probably go get my power cord and accessories from storage and hook my PC back up, and start grinding away.

I was planning to do PvP a lot, as I'm a competitive player, I just didn't think there was something that would completely change it on PC.

EDIT: And thank you to all who have replied, as it shows a bigger community than I thought there was. :P

ZOS_Ragnar

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Aurielle

danno8 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

Davor wrote: »

I played on Xbox One, went to PC went back to Xbox One. While the graphics are nicer on PC it all depends on the PC you have. While I never used mods or ad-ons, you might have a lot of slowdowns you might not be aware of from Xbox One. Just wanted to bring that out.

So it really means is it worth for you to have those ad-ons? It will take you a while to get you where you are now. Good thing is, you won't loose your Xbox One character and it will always be there for you when you want to come back.

So question is, how much are you willing to pay to get these ad-ons? Also how much time are you willing to redo everything as well?

For the game to have worse performance and slowdowns than XB1, you really would need to have a 10+ year old tater.
My wife plays on a bogstandard Acer laptop with i5 5200 and GT 840, 8GB RAM and performance is buttery smooth on med-high settings, even in Cyrodiil (except for latency at times), and that's with about 20 addons running.
I don't even think they manufacture PC hardware that would be incapable of running ESO in this day and age, even from the budget range.
Heck, it's even playable with Intel graphics that go with the i5 5200, even though on lower settings, 30 fps is reachable and thus, more than playable.

That wasn't my experience. I started out playing the game on a four year old $699 laptop with 8 gigs of ram, a 2.5 Ghz AMD processor, and a Radeon HD 8650G graphics card. I could get 30-60 FPS on medium with all graphical extras (shadows, anti-aliasing, grass, etc) completely disabled before One Tamriel, but the game became more or less unplayable for me after that point. I had to turn sub-sampling down to medium to get stable FPS, and it was hideous. For CDN $379, I upgraded to a PS4, which offered me a SIGNIFICANTLY better ESO experience, performance- and graphics-wise.

Unless you have the ability to build your own PC (or know someone who can do it for you), the idea that there is a budget PC out there that can run ESO just as well as the latest consoles (and for around the same price) is a myth.

Honestly, building a PC is not very difficult at all. Since the internet you can look up what you need, buy it, have it delivered to your door and have it all put together in a couple hours. There are less than 10 components in most PC's.

I agree that PC's are more expensive than consoles, but the reason for that is obvious.

Yeah, I'm not going to spend hundreds of potentially wasted dollars on PC components that I may risk accidentally destroying due to lack of experience and training. You may think that it's not difficult at all, but how much experience have you had with building PCs? That would be like me (a health care professional in training) telling you that inserting an IV catheter into a patient's antecubital vein is not very difficult at all, and that there are videos available on the Internet to guide you through the process. I wouldn't know the first thing about troubleshooting a PC build gone-wrong, and based on what I've read, there's quite a lot that can go wrong. It's really frustrating to continually hear the "just build your own" argument from PC-building enthusiasts who just don't seem to get that it's not always an option for everyone. If I want to go into a store and purchase a gaming PC that can max out (or come close to maxing out) graphics without seriously affecting performance, then I will have no choice but to spend 3-4 times what I'd spend on a console. To me, it just isn't worth it.

Anyway, back to the OP: speaking as someone who once relied quite heavily on add-ons, I can honestly say that you're really not missing out on THAT much. Buff timers are absolutely needed for console, but the rest? Meh, haven't missed them even half as much as I thought I would. Not even AUI. Also, I really like the fact that if I ever decide to seriously get into PVP, I don't have to worry about other people running around with game-breaking add-ons that may or may not be publicly available. Given that you want to PVP, I'd encourage you to REALLY think about the latter before you make the switch. All that grinding could end in serious frustration.

Riejael

LegacyDM wrote: »

How and who debunked it? Did zos make an official statement yet? Other than they are still reviewing it?

No Proof was shown of its impact on other players. When such proof is asked for, all that is given is personal attacks. That's called a nontroversy. A polarizing issue with minimal, minuscule, or nonexistent effects, but still used to further a personal agenda.

The addon still works in full functionality on the PTS. You and I both know it doesn't take a month to review an addon. They DID turn on internal gauges and tests to evaluate what impact the addon could actually have, letting them see what the addon could see outside player perception. After a month of doing that, they've decided to do nothing and buried the issue.

But if you'd like, provide evidence of someone else's usage of the addon causing you a detrimental experience. And provide evidence that the devs are taking over a month to evaluate an addon.

As it stands now, the default UI of similar PVP based games does more than the addon.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Riejael wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

How and who debunked it? Did zos make an official statement yet? Other than they are still reviewing it?

No Proof was shown of its impact on other players. When such proof is asked for, all that is given is personal attacks. That's called a nontroversy. A polarizing issue with minimal, minuscule, or nonexistent effects, but still used to further a personal agenda.

The addon still works in full functionality on the PTS. You and I both know it doesn't take a month to review an addon. They DID turn on internal gauges and tests to evaluate what impact the addon could actually have, letting them see what the addon could see outside player perception. After a month of doing that, they've decided to do nothing and buried the issue.

But if you'd like, provide evidence of someone else's usage of the addon causing you a detrimental experience. And provide evidence that the devs are taking over a month to evaluate an addon.

As it stands now, the default UI of similar PVP based games does more than the addon.

Do you know another "nontroversy"?

The nontroversey currently going on over in console land because we don't have this nonsense.

rxhymn

Shabzilla wrote: »

I am currently an Xbox player but I am wanting to switch to PC, mostly due to the add-ons provided. I am currently around 330 CP on the xbox, so I am hesitant to lose that progress. The newest patch notes state that CP is easier to level and I'm curious how much faster it actually is.

Would switching to PC be wise?

I love playing pc in 4k with an elite controller but I wouldn't upgrade unless you are using a more serious rig then xbox specs offer.

Riejael

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Do you know another "nontroversy"?

The nontroversey currently going on over in console land because we don't have this nonsense.

Yeah I really want to run around mashing 5 buttons at 30fps @ 720p

When MMO Mice (with more buttons than your controllers on the thumb and fore-finger alone) and Keyboard works properly, and they can get over 60fps at least at 1080p if not 1440 or 2160, you might somewhat have a point.

I'm sorry but this game looks like crap at medium settings. I run at least 3 levels above ultra, a setting you don't even have access to.

Unsent.Soul

Riejael wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Do you know another "nontroversy"?

The nontroversey currently going on over in console land because we don't have this nonsense.

Yeah I really want to run around mashing 5 buttons at 30fps @ 720p

When MMO Mice (with more buttons than your controllers on the thumb and fore-finger alone) and Keyboard works properly, and they can get over 60fps at least at 1080p if not 1440 or 2160, you might somewhat have a point.

I'm sorry but this game looks like crap at medium settings. I run at least 3 levels above ultra, a setting you don't even have access to.

3 levels above ultra? Omg tell me more, I'm dying to hear about the 3 levels above ultra. Can you taste the air and smell the feces?

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Riejael wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Do you know another "nontroversy"?

The nontroversey currently going on over in console land because we don't have this nonsense.

Yeah I really want to run around mashing 5 buttons at 30fps @ 720p

When MMO Mice (with more buttons than your controllers on the thumb and fore-finger alone) and Keyboard works properly, and they can get over 60fps at least at 1080p if not 1440 or 2160, you might somewhat have a point.

I'm sorry but this game looks like crap at medium settings. I run at least 3 levels above ultra, a setting you don't even have access to.

Um ... not sure what your keyboard and super awesome insano visual settings have to do with me pointing out that the console doesn't have add-ons that allow people to cheat but ... yeah ... cool story!

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Riejael wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Do you know another "nontroversy"?

The nontroversey currently going on over in console land because we don't have this nonsense.

Yeah I really want to run around mashing 5 buttons at 30fps @ 720p

When MMO Mice (with more buttons than your controllers on the thumb and fore-finger alone) and Keyboard works properly, and they can get over 60fps at least at 1080p if not 1440 or 2160, you might somewhat have a point.

I'm sorry but this game looks like crap at medium settings. I run at least 3 levels above ultra, a setting you don't even have access to.

3 levels above ultra? Omg tell me more, I'm dying to hear about the 3 levels above ultra. Can you taste the air and smell the feces?

He is RPing as a dwemer.

Aurielle

Riejael wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Do you know another "nontroversy"?

The nontroversey currently going on over in console land because we don't have this nonsense.

I'm sorry but this game looks like crap at medium settings. I run at least 3 levels above ultra, a setting you don't even have access to.

Are you suggesting that console settings are "medium"? Buddy, I played ESO on my laptop at medium for several months. I know the difference. We may not get water reflections or be able to run the game above 30 FPS, but the game on console looks NOTHING like the steaming pile of guar *** that is ESO on medium PC settings.

Riejael

Aurielle wrote: »

Riejael wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Do you know another "nontroversy"?

The nontroversey currently going on over in console land because we don't have this nonsense.

I'm sorry but this game looks like crap at medium settings. I run at least 3 levels above ultra, a setting you don't even have access to.

Are you suggesting that console settings are "medium"? Buddy, I played ESO on my laptop at medium for several months. I know the difference. We may not get water reflections or be able to run the game above 30 FPS, but the game on console looks NOTHING like the steaming pile of guar *** that is ESO on medium PC settings.

30FPS is garbage, you're not getting around that. Hell my laptop runs 4 times that with a screen that supports it (120hz).

TheHsN

i play the game with Xbox to...

This game is ALL FOR PC...

Aurielle

Riejael wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Riejael wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Do you know another "nontroversy"?

The nontroversey currently going on over in console land because we don't have this nonsense.

I'm sorry but this game looks like crap at medium settings. I run at least 3 levels above ultra, a setting you don't even have access to.

Are you suggesting that console settings are "medium"? Buddy, I played ESO on my laptop at medium for several months. I know the difference. We may not get water reflections or be able to run the game above 30 FPS, but the game on console looks NOTHING like the steaming pile of guar *** that is ESO on medium PC settings.

30FPS is garbage, you're not getting around that. Hell my laptop runs 4 times that with a screen that supports it (120hz).

It's all relative. If you're not used to getting 60+ FPS, 30 FPS looks fine -- great even. After One Tamriel, I was averaging 20 FPS and lower on my laptop. Switching to PS4 and getting stable FPS without having to disable all graphical frills was incredible--as was the fact that I didn't have to spend an exorbitant amount of money to get that experience.