U13 permablock trollplar build

Kutsuu

Thinking something along the lines of Magicka templar using:
5x Black Rose now that it gives health/mag/stam, or another heavy set like Reactive.
5x Magicka regen set on the SnB bar, maybe Magicka Furnace or Desert Rose. Lich would be prone to getting wasted if you have to swap and block on frost staff bar.
2x Engine Guardian for sustain or maybe Troll King for group support.
Frost Staff + SnB. Probably Argonian or Breton, use tri food and mix spell damage with block cost reduction glyphs until you find a happy medium.

Essentially the goal is to double bar BoL and tape down the right mouse button. Always keep enough stam to CC break, swap between SnB and Frost Staff bars to manage resources. Block on SnB when you need to regen magicka, block on frost staff when you need to regen stamina.

EoTS plus SnB ult for fun.

It's going to suck to fight against this kinda build, I think it will be a step up from the current trollplar. Especially since it will be able to support a group with heals, EoTS, and RD you when you are low.

Paneross

Who cares. There's worse to worry about

Kutsuu

Paneross wrote: »

Who cares. There's worse to worry about

No idea what you're whining about. I'm inviting others to theorycraft the ultimate trollplar build with me.

Hatoreehanzo

5 Meridias (Body)
5 Desert Rose (SnB/Jewelry)
2 Swarm Mother
Tristat glyphs

Just walk in front of your zerglings, rip people out of other zergs and have your shooters burn them down.

Kutsuu

Hatoreehanzo wrote: »

5 Meridias (Body)
5 Desert Rose (SnB/Jewelry)
2 Swarm Mother
Tristat glyphs

Just walk in front of your zerglings, rip people out of other zergs and have your shooters burn them down.

Idk about meridia's. That's a dueling/small scale troll set. It only procs on 1 target every 10s.

RazorCaltrops

Surprised that no one still didn't defend this by saying "it won't deal any damage" in the topic.

Calboy

How does Shields, blocking and desert rose interact together?

The_Duke

Calboy wrote: »

How does Shields, blocking and desert rose interact together?

Desert rose returns magicka on damage recieved. Its a 10% chance but if you are perm blocking and zerg surfing it will proc very often. This coupled with black rose provides good sustain. I plan on running 5 black 5 dessert and 2 malu on my sap tank. Im normally against malu but if Zos insists on doing nothing to balance proc sets and EoTS than so be it.

Synozeer

Trollplars are already magicka intensive. Blocking with the Frost Staff is going to drain your magicka for when you need it. You basically can spam your Blazing Shield or block with the staff, but not both. Switching to your 1h/shield bar will give you time to get back magicka unless you're casting your shield, and when you do switch back you will either cast Blazing Shield or block with the Frost Staff, not both.

The current builds are already like this, except the magicka portion is used to cast shields instead of block. By adding a Frost Staff, you're just adding another huge drain of your magicka - blocking and losing magicka regen when on that bar.

I think the Frost Staff and 1h/shield build is better suited to a permablock Templar rather than a Blazing Shield one, IMO.

CatchMeTrolling

I'm surprised no one has realized how stupid this could be for stamina builds lol if there was more theory crafters this would screw the game up even more

Derra

Don´t forget about syrabane. 890 magica on blocking magic attacks.

Kutsuu

Calboy wrote: »

How does Shields, blocking and desert rose interact together?

Desert Rose does not proc while you are shielded. It interacts better with heavy armor and not using shields.

Kutsuu

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

I'm surprised no one has realized how stupid this could be for stamina builds lol if there was more theory crafters this would screw the game up even more

Stam already has cheesy permablock build options - have you not seen all the trolltank DK videos of late? My issue is that these people don't support their team very much unless enemies are dumb enough to attack them.

Kutsuu

Synozeer wrote: »

Trollplars are already magicka intensive. Blocking with the Frost Staff is going to drain your magicka for when you need it. You basically can spam your Blazing Shield or block with the staff, but not both. Switching to your 1h/shield bar will give you time to get back magicka unless you're casting your shield, and when you do switch back you will either cast Blazing Shield or block with the Frost Staff, not both.

The current builds are already like this, except the magicka portion is used to cast shields instead of block. By adding a Frost Staff, you're just adding another huge drain of your magicka - blocking and losing magicka regen when on that bar.

I think the Frost Staff and 1h/shield build is better suited to a permablock Templar rather than a Blazing Shield one, IMO.

Uh yeah it's definitely not a blazing shield build that I'm theorizing here lol. It's a support/healer/troll build. Don't forget the new minor magicka steal stuff. I have a feeling our magicka regen is going to feel very different.

Qbiken

Hatoreehanzo wrote: »

5 Meridias (Body)
5 Desert Rose (SnB/Jewelry)
2 Swarm Mother
Tristat glyphs

Just walk in front of your zerglings, rip people out of other zergs and have your shooters burn them down.

Meridias only work against 1 target at the time. Great for 1v1. Otherwise trash.

Mr_Nobody

2PC Time
5PC Boring
5PC Serra Draconis or whatever that set is called

SneaK

5PC Reactive
5PC Blackrose/Seducer
2PC Malubeth
Unkillable healbot. It's going to be terrible.

White wabbit

Yep have kept my Magplar out of PvP for over 6 weeks time to go full troll and make it as toxic as possible so that Zos finally nerf it

Synozeer

Kutsuu wrote: »

Calboy wrote: »

How does Shields, blocking and desert rose interact together?

Desert Rose does not proc while you are shielded. It interacts better with heavy armor and not using shields.

It definitely procs with shields up. A long time ago it didn't, but they fixed it when they made the changes to sets that weren't proccing when hitting shields.

Kutsuu

Synozeer wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

Calboy wrote: »

How does Shields, blocking and desert rose interact together?

Desert Rose does not proc while you are shielded. It interacts better with heavy armor and not using shields.

It definitely procs with shields up. A long time ago it didn't, but they fixed it when they made the changes to sets that weren't proccing when hitting shields.

This definitely isn't common knowledge if true. I'd think you would see WAY more sorcs running this set.

Synozeer

Kutsuu wrote: »

Synozeer wrote: »

Trollplars are already magicka intensive. Blocking with the Frost Staff is going to drain your magicka for when you need it. You basically can spam your Blazing Shield or block with the staff, but not both. Switching to your 1h/shield bar will give you time to get back magicka unless you're casting your shield, and when you do switch back you will either cast Blazing Shield or block with the Frost Staff, not both.

The current builds are already like this, except the magicka portion is used to cast shields instead of block. By adding a Frost Staff, you're just adding another huge drain of your magicka - blocking and losing magicka regen when on that bar.

I think the Frost Staff and 1h/shield build is better suited to a permablock Templar rather than a Blazing Shield one, IMO.

Uh yeah it's definitely not a blazing shield build that I'm theorizing here lol. It's a support/healer/troll build. Don't forget the new minor magicka steal stuff. I have a feeling our magicka regen is going to feel very different.

Minor magicka is going to be interesting. It requires you to actively be attacking/damaging the person to get the magicka, so it might be better in combat than Restoring Focus, but not as good during those times you're retreating (unless you have a DoT on them). Definitely going to give it a try on my build.

Kutsuu

Synozeer wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

Synozeer wrote: »

Trollplars are already magicka intensive. Blocking with the Frost Staff is going to drain your magicka for when you need it. You basically can spam your Blazing Shield or block with the staff, but not both. Switching to your 1h/shield bar will give you time to get back magicka unless you're casting your shield, and when you do switch back you will either cast Blazing Shield or block with the Frost Staff, not both.

The current builds are already like this, except the magicka portion is used to cast shields instead of block. By adding a Frost Staff, you're just adding another huge drain of your magicka - blocking and losing magicka regen when on that bar.

I think the Frost Staff and 1h/shield build is better suited to a permablock Templar rather than a Blazing Shield one, IMO.

Uh yeah it's definitely not a blazing shield build that I'm theorizing here lol. It's a support/healer/troll build. Don't forget the new minor magicka steal stuff. I have a feeling our magicka regen is going to feel very different.

Minor magicka is going to be interesting. It requires you to actively be attacking/damaging the person to get the magicka, so it might be better in combat than Restoring Focus, but not as good during those times you're retreating (unless you have a DoT on them). Definitely going to give it a try on my build.

I haven't tested it on the PTS yet, but what you're describing doesn't match the patch notes:

Created a new debuff category, Minor Magickasteal. This is a debuff applied to enemies that restores a flat value of Magicka to the attacker every second (400 Magicka every second at CP160).

From what this says, the expectation I have is that you merely need to keep the debuff applied and you will keep getting the magicka.

Lexxypwns

Kutsuu wrote: »

Synozeer wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

Synozeer wrote: »

Trollplars are already magicka intensive. Blocking with the Frost Staff is going to drain your magicka for when you need it. You basically can spam your Blazing Shield or block with the staff, but not both. Switching to your 1h/shield bar will give you time to get back magicka unless you're casting your shield, and when you do switch back you will either cast Blazing Shield or block with the Frost Staff, not both.

The current builds are already like this, except the magicka portion is used to cast shields instead of block. By adding a Frost Staff, you're just adding another huge drain of your magicka - blocking and losing magicka regen when on that bar.

I think the Frost Staff and 1h/shield build is better suited to a permablock Templar rather than a Blazing Shield one, IMO.

Uh yeah it's definitely not a blazing shield build that I'm theorizing here lol. It's a support/healer/troll build. Don't forget the new minor magicka steal stuff. I have a feeling our magicka regen is going to feel very different.

Minor magicka is going to be interesting. It requires you to actively be attacking/damaging the person to get the magicka, so it might be better in combat than Restoring Focus, but not as good during those times you're retreating (unless you have a DoT on them). Definitely going to give it a try on my build.

I haven't tested it on the PTS yet, but what you're describing doesn't match the patch notes:

Created a new debuff category, Minor Magickasteal. This is a debuff applied to enemies that restores a flat value of Magicka to the attacker every second (400 Magicka every second at CP160).

From what this says, the expectation I have is that you merely need to keep the debuff applied and you will keep getting the magicka.

Its been tested, you need to have the debuff active and have a damage tick every 1 second to proc it. All friendly players can proc it on enemies effected by the debuff, but it only procs once per second regardless of how many you debuff/hit.

Kutsuu

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

Synozeer wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

Synozeer wrote: »

Trollplars are already magicka intensive. Blocking with the Frost Staff is going to drain your magicka for when you need it. You basically can spam your Blazing Shield or block with the staff, but not both. Switching to your 1h/shield bar will give you time to get back magicka unless you're casting your shield, and when you do switch back you will either cast Blazing Shield or block with the Frost Staff, not both.

The current builds are already like this, except the magicka portion is used to cast shields instead of block. By adding a Frost Staff, you're just adding another huge drain of your magicka - blocking and losing magicka regen when on that bar.

I think the Frost Staff and 1h/shield build is better suited to a permablock Templar rather than a Blazing Shield one, IMO.

Uh yeah it's definitely not a blazing shield build that I'm theorizing here lol. It's a support/healer/troll build. Don't forget the new minor magicka steal stuff. I have a feeling our magicka regen is going to feel very different.

Minor magicka is going to be interesting. It requires you to actively be attacking/damaging the person to get the magicka, so it might be better in combat than Restoring Focus, but not as good during those times you're retreating (unless you have a DoT on them). Definitely going to give it a try on my build.

I haven't tested it on the PTS yet, but what you're describing doesn't match the patch notes:

Created a new debuff category, Minor Magickasteal. This is a debuff applied to enemies that restores a flat value of Magicka to the attacker every second (400 Magicka every second at CP160).

From what this says, the expectation I have is that you merely need to keep the debuff applied and you will keep getting the magicka.

Its been tested, you need to have the debuff active and have a damage tick every 1 second to proc it. All friendly players can proc it on enemies effected by the debuff, but it only procs once per second regardless of how many you debuff/hit.

Good to know. Gotta love their descriptions lol. I assume this works on multiple targets if they all have the debuff and you damage them all? This builds a strong case for using the AOE damage/snare morph of cleanse, despite it removing less debuffs.

CatchMeTrolling

Kutsuu wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

I'm surprised no one has realized how stupid this could be for stamina builds lol if there was more theory crafters this would screw the game up even more

Stam already has cheesy permablock build options - have you not seen all the trolltank DK videos of late? My issue is that these people don't support their team very much unless enemies are dumb enough to attack them.

I wasn't talking troll set ups..

WillhelmBlack

Lol

Kutsuu

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

I'm surprised no one has realized how stupid this could be for stamina builds lol if there was more theory crafters this would screw the game up even more

Stam already has cheesy permablock build options - have you not seen all the trolltank DK videos of late? My issue is that these people don't support their team very much unless enemies are dumb enough to attack them.

I wasn't talking troll set ups..

Ok so you're giving up your 2h or bow back bar in order to use a frost staff on a non trolltank stamina build. That's a significant tradeoff IMO. Especially the classic SnB+2h or DW+2h build that uses 2h bar for gap closing and executing, and the front bar for brawling/pressure. I don't see it as a worthwhile trade off.

Also considering if you're a DK you want to use that magicka for igneous for the stam sustain and major mending. Stamsorc is going to want it for dark deals and streaks... nightblade for the cloaks and fears. Stamplar, cleanse and focus. It seems like they already have powerful and necessary drains of their small magicka pools.

Go ahead and pitch your idea? I am not yet seeing the huge benefits. Maybe I'm missing something.

CatchMeTrolling

Kutsuu wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

I'm surprised no one has realized how stupid this could be for stamina builds lol if there was more theory crafters this would screw the game up even more

Stam already has cheesy permablock build options - have you not seen all the trolltank DK videos of late? My issue is that these people don't support their team very much unless enemies are dumb enough to attack them.

I wasn't talking troll set ups..

Ok so you're giving up your 2h or bow back bar in order to use a frost staff on a non trolltank stamina build. That's a significant tradeoff IMO. Especially the classic SnB+2h or DW+2h build that uses 2h bar for gap closing and executing, and the front bar for brawling/pressure. I don't see it as a worthwhile trade off.

Also considering if you're a DK you want to use that magicka for igneous for the stam sustain and major mending. Stamsorc is going to want it for dark deals and streaks... nightblade for the cloaks and fears. Stamplar, cleanse and focus. It seems like they already have powerful and necessary drains of their small magicka pools.

Go ahead and pitch your idea? I am not yet seeing the huge benefits. Maybe I'm missing something.

Already know 1vxing hybrid builds , you're definitely missing a lot. I'd never spread builds like that though, I'm just saying this could be way more broken on stamina builds in the right hands.

Kutsuu

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

I'm surprised no one has realized how stupid this could be for stamina builds lol if there was more theory crafters this would screw the game up even more

Stam already has cheesy permablock build options - have you not seen all the trolltank DK videos of late? My issue is that these people don't support their team very much unless enemies are dumb enough to attack them.

I wasn't talking troll set ups..

Ok so you're giving up your 2h or bow back bar in order to use a frost staff on a non trolltank stamina build. That's a significant tradeoff IMO. Especially the classic SnB+2h or DW+2h build that uses 2h bar for gap closing and executing, and the front bar for brawling/pressure. I don't see it as a worthwhile trade off.

Also considering if you're a DK you want to use that magicka for igneous for the stam sustain and major mending. Stamsorc is going to want it for dark deals and streaks... nightblade for the cloaks and fears. Stamplar, cleanse and focus. It seems like they already have powerful and necessary drains of their small magicka pools.

Go ahead and pitch your idea? I am not yet seeing the huge benefits. Maybe I'm missing something.

Already know 1vxing hybrid builds , you're definitely missing a lot. I'd never spread builds like that though, I'm just saying this could be way more broken on stamina builds in the right hands.

I'm familiar with the stam-heavy templar hybrids, and some niche hybrid sorc/DK builds. Pretty neat builds. I suppose you could run 2h+frost staff for it.

But what you seem to be referencing is that being able to block with magicka using a frost staff will be broken on pure stamina builds. I mentioned what you would be giving up by dropping one of two stamina bars for a frost staff. Why don't you post what you're theorycrafting? Otherwise you just come across as the usual "Oh there's a super broken build nobody knows about but I do because I'm a genius" troll post. Obviously I notice your username.

Lokey0024

Run 3 Desert rose jewelry, gloves or waist, shield or sword front bar, frost staff back bar. Turtle till you and 3 other templars in your ball group have destry ults and wipe the population of Cyrodiil to no one. GG

CatchMeTrolling

Kutsuu wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

I'm surprised no one has realized how stupid this could be for stamina builds lol if there was more theory crafters this would screw the game up even more

Stam already has cheesy permablock build options - have you not seen all the trolltank DK videos of late? My issue is that these people don't support their team very much unless enemies are dumb enough to attack them.

I wasn't talking troll set ups..

Ok so you're giving up your 2h or bow back bar in order to use a frost staff on a non trolltank stamina build. That's a significant tradeoff IMO. Especially the classic SnB+2h or DW+2h build that uses 2h bar for gap closing and executing, and the front bar for brawling/pressure. I don't see it as a worthwhile trade off.

Also considering if you're a DK you want to use that magicka for igneous for the stam sustain and major mending. Stamsorc is going to want it for dark deals and streaks... nightblade for the cloaks and fears. Stamplar, cleanse and focus. It seems like they already have powerful and necessary drains of their small magicka pools.

Go ahead and pitch your idea? I am not yet seeing the huge benefits. Maybe I'm missing something.

Already know 1vxing hybrid builds , you're definitely missing a lot. I'd never spread builds like that though, I'm just saying this could be way more broken on stamina builds in the right hands.

I'm familiar with the stam-heavy templar hybrids, and some niche hybrid sorc/DK builds. Pretty neat builds. I suppose you could run 2h+frost staff for it.

But what you seem to be referencing is that being able to block with magicka using a frost staff will be broken on pure stamina builds. I mentioned what you would be giving up by dropping one of two stamina bars for a frost staff. Why don't you post what you're theorycrafting? Otherwise you just come across as the usual "Oh there's a super broken build nobody knows about but I do because I'm a genius" troll post. Obviously I notice your username.

Or I don't believe in spreading cancer like everyone else and what you choose to perceive is on you. If you look at builds in typical/practical sense, you wouldn't see how broken this could be. Same arguments get brought up every time lol people didn't think destro would work on stam then next thing you know there's people showing them how wrong they are.

Not to mention I remember people saying the destro ult would still suck and told people once everyone catch on it's going to be ridiculous. I don't look forward to the frost staff meta but I'm sure someone will put a build out soon enough.