Soft CCs Discussion

MaxwellC

Can we finally address soft CCs such as Talons, encase, bombard, frost touch, rearming trap, crippling grasp, heck even fossilize (when other soft ccs are on you). I mean it's completely ridiculous, we have gap closer's stun but we also have soft CCs that keep you in place. This has yet to be addressed at all with this patch and I'd really like to see a change with it because my Mag DK can't take much more of it.
I could go vampire to remedy some of this but it still doesn't solve the main issue which is that you can continuously use Soft CCs to keep someone perma-rooted in place. I'm not being biased as I even stated my own class can do the same thing consistently.
@ZOS_RichLambert
Please man just put some sort of immunity upon being rooted by a Soft CC, I hate being kept down especially when you can literally apply a Soft CC + a Hard CC and another Soft CC.

Bakven

They won't. They even reduced the cost for the sorc's cc Encase and it's morphs. Zos doesn't care about PvP problems. They don't listen to the players, they don't know how to balance the classes, they don't know how to do their jobs and fix the game. Every time they try to change anything, something else gets messed up and they refuse to either acknowledge it or fix it for months.

MaxwellC

@Bakven
Yeah I saw that an I was like "What the hell..." I really need them to go ahead and start implementing so sort of change to Soft CCs.

WhiteMage

Just in case they don't get it, we're not asking for the current cc immunity to apply to soft cc and be granted by them, we would be perfectly happy if the current cc immunity became hard cc immunity with the introduction of a soft cc immunity, granted by soft cc.

Ever walk to a resource where they spam and break disorients before you can break free, so you're susceptible to the next disorient because you couldn't break free quick enough, all the while the guards beat you to a pulp? It sucks, and it's no different when a player spams talons such that you CANNOT doge roll away! There is just some brief window where you cannot perform any action when the soft cc is first applied.

And root and snare immunity as part of an active skill is just so OP, especially it only works for stamina. There are magicka melee fighters, too *cough* magplar *cough*!

Lastly, the NPC monsters in the game are stupid. If you root them and they cannot get to their primary target, they just stand there, rather than attack the nearest target within range.

Jaronking

I say removes Snares from the game and fix gap closers do those two things and I won't mind keeping roots as is.Am just so sick and tired of getting snared everywhere I go.

MaxwellC

@WhiteMage
Exactly they just need to make a Soft CC immunity that's specifically affected by it or even make a immunity you get since you already suffered one like if I'm hit by a soft CC I can't just get hit by another one immediately. Maybe make it like 5 seconds or so for the soft immunity to wear off. So if the person spams it on me during that time-frame it'll just say "target is immune".

Alcast

They want to make it easier to use for the newbies so the older players get rekt and quit the game
It is very annoying, especially because you can not turn yourself anymore and attack if the enemy goes behind you.....

thankyourat

I agree that soft CCs are annoying but they are necessary for magic builds to effectively kite. I main a magblade and the soft cc from crippling grasp is one of the only ways I can keep a stamina build off me. With out the constant root it will make it alot more difficult to kite. It's the same with sorc mines it allows you to somewhat counter melee builds. And dks talons keep you in place because they don't have a gap closer so it allows them to somewhat stop you from just kiting them the whole fight. So whle they are annoying adding soft cc immunity will just tip the scale more in staminas favor for open world PvP. They only idea I can think of to fix the soft cc problem in cyrodiil is make a soft cc immunity potion

GreenSoup2HoT

Gap closer snare is a stone cold killer. Combat may actually feel fluid if i wasn't snared from every gap closer and tons of abilities. I say remove the snare from mass hysteria just because its used so frequently as well.

leepalmer95

I've never had a problem with melee ranged soft cc's such as talons because even if i am caught i can still attack whoever used it on me.

Now ranged cc's are so annoying because if i'm a melee character and someone is spamming ranged cc's on me i can't do anything, i lose the ability to attack them while they can't range me and root me permanently.

MaxwellC

@leepalmer95
That may be true but man when it happens to me I can't move and have to dodge as they go behind you since you cannot turn. They keep spamming it on you over and over again, now when another person joins the fray then it's all over since they both for the soft ccs down.
I literally had a random non mag DK spam talons on me while a sorc use that daderic frag that appears on the ground on me consistently and even with shuffle I had to keep dodging.

thankyourat

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I've never had a problem with melee ranged soft cc's such as talons because even if i am caught i can still attack whoever used it on me.

Now ranged cc's are so annoying because if i'm a melee character and someone is spamming ranged cc's on me i can't do anything, i lose the ability to attack them while they can't range me and root me permanently.

I think that's the design though. ranged builds have soft CCs and melee builds have gap closers if you remove soft CCs that's a huge advantage for builds who use gap closers. It will force everyone into melee combat at all times

MaxwellC

@thankyourat
There's plenty of soft ccs with range builds a example would be frost touch,bombard,crippling grasp,etc.

thankyourat

MaxwellC wrote: »

@thankyourat
There's plenty of soft ccs with range builds a example would be frost touch,bombard,crippling grasp,etc.

Yea I was saying that they are needed and if you put cool downs on certain soft cc's it would make playing a ranged build less desirable, because soft cc's are what a ranged build uses to effectively kite

Liofa

I think if something were being done about soft CCs , there should be some changes to gap closers too . A ranged player cannot kite any opponent without roots . Enemy will keep spamming gap closer . Put cooldown to both of them or they should stay like this . There are counters to roots (Shuffle , Immovable potions , Mist Form , Ritual , Purge) but nothing against gap closers .

Note 2 : I spend 99% of my time with PvE but I did lots of PvP in other (Not in ESO because ESO PvP is cancerous) MMORPGs . This is just how I think things should work like .

Jaronking

Leave most soft CC alone expect for Snares fix snares.

austinwalter87ub17_ESO

Attempting to nerf the Soft CC's directly will be bad. Crowd control is necessary in a PVP orientated game. Without CC, it becomes a matter of numbers. There needs to be better skills and passives for negating soft CC's, and getting out of them.

The purge skill under Support? Make it a lot better and viable.

SodanTok

Well, they could kill all soft CC the same way they killed bombard. Immunity when snared.

MaxwellC

I have no problem from getting away from those who gap close without the use of soft CCs. I rely on my hard cc fossilize to that and I'm a DK which has the mobility of a rock.

Soft CCs if anything shouldn't be allowed to be applied by more than one person and even still for you to be able to spam bombard or any other soft cc to no end is completely ridiculous IMO.

fred4

Soft CC immunity exists. It's called Forward Momentum. 8s is not long, but it helps. As Fengrush pointed out in a recent video, it doesn't help with gap closer spam however.

BlackMadara

Soft cc immunity, if implemented, should not be anywhere near 5s, like many people suggest. That would make roots essentially useless, unless you massively increase the cost to escape them. An immunity would have to be 1-2s so a player could repostion, while still keeping roots effective.

ku5h

Tremorscale snare is cancer!