so will the Elemental ring change help combat zergs?

Wing

•Elemental Ring (Impulse morph): This morph no longer adds a small Damage over Time component to the ability. Instead, it allows you to cast the ability at a ground-targeted location up to 28 meters away.

spamming this into zergs could be fun no?

Saturn

It's more likely this will be yet another tool for zergs to capitalise on, just like all the previous attempts to combat zergs have turned into weapons for them to use against small groups.

DHale

No.... DK has eruption/ash cloud very few people use it. Why.... it does little damage.

The Uninvited

DHale wrote: »

No.... DK has eruption/ash cloud very few people use it. Why.... it does little damage.

Yes, but Eruption is a dot. Elemental Ring now becomes a spammable from 28 meters away.

Wing

The Uninvited wrote: »

DHale wrote: »

No.... DK has eruption/ash cloud very few people use it. Why.... it does little damage.

Yes, but Eruption is a dot. Elemental Ring now becomes a spammable from 28 meters away.

this, combined with things like inevitable det lets you spam AOE into a zerg from 28+m away

Cronopoly

I always wanted an AOE Spammable on my Sorc. But that dream died with the summer of Stamina Domination. My focus became staying alive with all the ghosts popping out of nowhere trying to gib me...well not trying...they were largely successful.

Defensive rune seems to be the most important preemptive spell.

Fast forward to the next patch. I can already see it. Destro is already slotted so why not have 10 people in the ball Spam Frost/Lightning/Flame ranged AOE, weaving LA to charge Ultimate then bring forth the Apocolypse with the Destro Ulti.

"Should have taken the money tombs..."

Stealthers will also complain about the constant spamming of the AOE all over. No where will be safe lol. I'll spam it for no reason in a circle...bound to uncover someone trying to gib me lol. j/k but maybe not really...lol

Xvorg

Wing wrote: »

•Elemental Ring (Impulse morph): This morph no longer adds a small Damage over Time component to the ability. Instead, it allows you to cast the ability at a ground-targeted location up to 28 meters away.

spamming this into zergs could be fun no?

Everything done to stop zergs ends up being a zerg tool.

Wing

Xvorg wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

•Elemental Ring (Impulse morph): This morph no longer adds a small Damage over Time component to the ability. Instead, it allows you to cast the ability at a ground-targeted location up to 28 meters away.

spamming this into zergs could be fun no?

Everything done to stop zergs ends up being a zerg tool.

yes but previous zerg combating tools were self cast, thus, to get a lot of them into a zerg at the same time you had to stack up, and bombs were born.

but individuals spread out being able to cast inevitable det, elemental ring, and meteors, into a group for massive AOE damage whilst being spread out by themselves is pretty massive.

you will end up with a blob running around trying to squash and zerg down 1 person at a time while every individual in the area is spamming AOE's (now with less damage reduction) into said zerg.

this could be massive, we have needed an instant source of spamable ranged AOE damage forever when all we were getting was dots that just didn't work for obvious reasons.

I only wish it had its same radius as it used too.

Cinbri

It seems will be like templar Shards. Shards are awesome against large group and so probably will be with this skill.

Cronopoly

Damage seems so low....Will need others to comment, or we'll see when it goes live.

dsalter

Saturn wrote: »

It's more likely this will be yet another tool for zergs to capitalise on, just like all the previous attempts to combat zergs have turned into weapons for them to use against small groups.

it's gunna be tricky for a zerg to use due to being a target based AoE, point blank is how ball groups work

Recremen

Wing wrote: »

The Uninvited wrote: »

DHale wrote: »

No.... DK has eruption/ash cloud very few people use it. Why.... it does little damage.

Yes, but Eruption is a dot. Elemental Ring now becomes a spammable from 28 meters away.

this, combined with things like inevitable det lets you spam AOE into a zerg from 28+m away

This lets you deal a tiny amount of damage to a group of enemies from 28 meters away. Unless you're saying that you're going to zerg around with other people spamming this in an effort to counter those evil zergers, this changes exactly nothing other than being a neat new tool to play with.

Recremen

dsalter wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

It's more likely this will be yet another tool for zergs to capitalise on, just like all the previous attempts to combat zergs have turned into weapons for them to use against small groups.

it's gunna be tricky for a zerg to use due to being a target based AoE, point blank is how ball groups work

There haven't been any ball groups in literally months, I don't know what a 5-meter AoE is going to do. Even proxy bombers aren't hitting as many people anymore because folks are spread slightly farther out on average. "Ball groups" are the biggest non-issue of PvP. The only remaining problem is the incentive to sending multiple raids to the same objective. Beyond that, "ball groups" are a thing of the past.

dsalter

Recremen wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

It's more likely this will be yet another tool for zergs to capitalise on, just like all the previous attempts to combat zergs have turned into weapons for them to use against small groups.

it's gunna be tricky for a zerg to use due to being a target based AoE, point blank is how ball groups work

There haven't been any ball groups in literally months, I don't know what a 5-meter AoE is going to do. Even proxy bombers aren't hitting as many people anymore because folks are spread slightly farther out on average. "Ball groups" are the biggest non-issue of PvP. The only remaining problem is the incentive to sending multiple raids to the same objective. Beyond that, "ball groups" are a thing of the past.

ball groups stopped happening as often because numbers in cyro started dropping, to the point it became a slower income of points than just playing objectives