Please reconsider the Sorc Tri-Focus and Frost Staves Change

fr33r4ng3r

My Frost Sorc DPS just got converted into a tank. I have to drop these passives if I still want to be a frost based DPS. I love my frost mage. He is not a TANK.

Tri Focus:

• This passive ability now taunts the enemy after you use a fully-charged Frost Heavy Attack.
• This passive ability now causes your block to drain Magicka (instead of Stamina) and stops your Magicka Recovery (instead of Stamina Recovery) while blocking when you have a Frost Destruction Staff equipped.

Frost Staves: Increases the amount of damage you Block by 10/20%, and reduces the cost of Block by 15/30%.

Seriously???

Please!!!

STEVIL

fr33r4ng3r wrote: »

My Frost Sorc DPS just got converted into a tank. I have to drop these passives if I still want to be a frost based DPS. I love my frost mage. He is not a TANK.

Tri Focus:

• This passive ability now taunts the enemy after you use a fully-charged Frost Heavy Attack.
• This passive ability now causes your block to drain Magicka (instead of Stamina) and stops your Magicka Recovery (instead of Stamina Recovery) while blocking when you have a Frost Destruction Staff equipped.

Frost Staves: Increases the amount of damage you Block by 10/20%, and reduces the cost of Block by 15/30%.

Seriously???

Please!!!

Well, it is interesting and makes them unique... frost staves become the magica sword-n-shield suite.

not sure myself if this syncs well with the few frost/cold sets out there but it certainly does expand the scope of these weapons.

i find it intriguing.

and yeah, as with any significant update, some existing characters/builds wont work the same as before and some people will have to adjust to this and some wont like that change.

Want myself to look from fresh perspective at frost-fire-lightning staves vs say the difference in roles/capabilities between sword-board, dual wield and two hand skill lines.

of course it seems like a medium frost attack wont taunt... so you have control to weave as you see fit.

SanSan

Frost Staves: Increases the amount of damage you Block by 10/20%, and reduces the cost of Block by 15/30%.
This is really stupid for a magicka DD user. I was hoping for a DoT where they take cold damage and are slowed down.

Lokryn

I'm excited to try it out on my magicka tank.

Toc de Malsvi

Frost Staffs: New Meta for destro PVP.

block cost reduction, block damage increase, minor vulnerability, minor maim

ku5h

Worst thing for me is that Velociuos Curse change...from 3.5 sec, now to 6 sec with another explosion after another 6 sec. I mean who the *** thought of that? Was that supposed to be a buff or nerf? Because it sure as hell is a major nerf in my book, but im not sure if ZoS actually purpusefully went with nerf or they actually think their buffing it or something.

Toc de Malsvi

ku5h wrote: »

Worst thing for me is that Velociuos Curse change...from 3.5 sec, now to 6 sec with another explosion after another 6 sec. I mean who the *** thought of that? Was that supposed to be a buff or nerf? Because it sure as hell is a major nerf in my book, but im not sure if ZoS actually purpusefully went with nerf or they actually think their buffing it or something.

Probably trying to increase the overall damage per magicka cost, while making the burst timing harder.

Jaronking

You know how broken this is in pvp its going to be very hard to run a magic build out of stam now.Magica about to be broken.

STEVIL

SanSan wrote: »

Frost Staves: Increases the amount of damage you Block by 10/20%, and reduces the cost of Block by 15/30%.
This is really stupid for a magicka DD user. I was hoping for a DoT where they take cold damage and are slowed down.

yes it is really stupid for a DD magica user - just like say sword and board would be really stupid for a DD stamina char.

Staves now have two damage type (fire/lightning), one tanking option (frost) and one healer option.
Stamina has two damage options (DW and 2h), one tank option (s-n-b) and one ranged option (bow)

That doesn't seem to me to be a crazy setup. Now making it all work is another matter but the core looks sound.

OutLaw_Nynx

This is dumb as heck lol

exeeter702

My frost staff necropotence/lich mNB just got a while lot stronger..

Now i have a stronger reason to slot frost clench than i already had.

Change is awesome

Mettaricana

Lokryn wrote: »

I'm excited to try it out on my magicka tank.

Love this gives me a new take on stuff to do ice heart staff magical frost tank lol hell yeah

Tryxus

exeeter702 wrote: »

My frost staff necropotence/lich mNB just got a while lot stronger..

Now i have a stronger reason to slot frost clench than i already had.

Change is awesome

50k+ Magicka with Necro
Frost Clench
Magicka Blocks
Block Damage and Cost Decrease
...

I'm already cooking up some evil things for my MagBlade

Koolio

exeeter702 wrote: »

My frost staff necropotence/lich mNB just got a while lot stronger..

Now i have a stronger reason to slot frost clench than i already had.

Change is awesome

But anytime you animation cancel with a block you lose the benefits of your regen.

fr33r4ng3r

Mettaricana wrote: »

Lokryn wrote: »

I'm excited to try it out on my magicka tank.

Love this gives me a new take on stuff to do ice heart staff magical frost tank lol hell yeah

Yeah I get that it could be cool, but it should be optional. I only just finished farming Winterborn and Ysgramor and have full purple jewelry and gold gear. I pull upwards of 50K DPS on trash and 17K single target (self buffed - so I'm missing several keys buffs in those numbers). Not too shabby and it's a nice setup of those 2am PST solo vet dungeon gear farms.

Congrats son you're a tank now!

The biggest problem is the heavy attack taunt. Unless I drop the passive I'm gonna be taunting bosses. I can see a few groups having a problem with that. (I use a heavy attack opening and try to weave a heavy attack in now and then, as circumstances allow, for sustain.

[edit: spelling]

Abeille

fr33r4ng3r wrote: »

Mettaricana wrote: »

Lokryn wrote: »

I'm excited to try it out on my magicka tank.

Love this gives me a new take on stuff to do ice heart staff magical frost tank lol hell yeah

Yeah I get that it could be cool, but it should be optional. I only just finished farming Winterborn and Ysgramor and have full purple jewelry and gold gear. I pull upwards of 50K DPS on trash and 17K single target (self buffed - so I'm missing several keys buffs in those numbers). Not too shabby and it's a nice setup of those 2am PST solo vet dungeon gear farms.

Congrats son you're a tank now!

The biggest problem is the heavy attack taunt. Unless I drop the passive I'm gonna be taunting bosses. I can see a few groups having a problem with that. (I use a heavy attack opening and try to weave a heavy attack in now and then, as circumstances allow, for sustain.

[edit: spelling]

Oh yes, I'm on the exact situation as you with what seems to be the exact same build too, and being forced into a different role by a change on a passive is upsetting. I was very concerned at first, but now I'm open to give it a try. Because, really, ice mages were already at a bad place before so I'm just going to turn my "let it go" switch on and see what we got this time.

I will test a few builds tomorrow and see if I like the new style. If not, I will certainly drop the passive, because I really like my Cryomancer right now.

exeeter702

Tryxus wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

My frost staff necropotence/lich mNB just got a while lot stronger..

Now i have a stronger reason to slot frost clench than i already had.

Change is awesome

50k+ Magicka with Necro
Frost Clench
Magicka Blocks
Block Damage and Cost Decrease
...

I'm already cooking up some evil things for my MagBlade

hell yeah brother

exeeter702

Koolio wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

My frost staff necropotence/lich mNB just got a while lot stronger..

Now i have a stronger reason to slot frost clench than i already had.

Change is awesome

But anytime you animation cancel with a block you lose the benefits of your regen.

indeed, just requires a bit of micro management. Hardly a deal breaker imo. I will see how it works out on the PTS.

Elara_Northwind

I would like to think that this might bring a little more balance due to magikca players not using up all of their stamina with 1 break free and a dodgeroll and then being unable to block, but in reality I think its just going to force every non-templar, magicka player into using resto and ice staff with no other option...

DODHitman

I personally believe this is going to be a good change. This is the "option" magic has been asking for in regards to block sustain. You know, the "one" thing we never had....IMHO the theory crafting with this could be a lot of fun as well.

dsalter

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3650913#Comment_3650913

tbh i welcome the change but the taunt on heavy attack defo needs to be moved to a skill when using frost staff, so i suggested the spam beam which is now skill 1, which puts it on the same level as sword and boards taunt.

brandonv516

So frost staves count as 2 pieces now right?

dsalter

brandonv516 wrote: »

So frost staves count as 2 pieces now right?

nope hence why i added some slight change suggestion in my thread to compensate for the lackage

DragonBound

Think about it this the meta complains if anyone uses cc besides the tank right? So since ice staff offers some light cc what better way to for the cc to fit then a tank role going ice staff? Then no one can complain at you.

FriedEggSandwich

I've been using an ice vma staff to pvp with because it's the only sharpened vma staff I've had in over 100 runs. I actually have 2 sharpened vma ice staves. I wasn't too concerned though because the ice staff was actually ok in pvp. What use is a taunt in pvp unless I kit my magsorc out with tremorscale? Cheers zos, now I actually need to keep farming for a pvp staff.

Edit: if zos introduce a magicka version of tremorscale I will eat my words, and my hat.

Calboy

This is my favourite change. Hmm what to do with my mnb. I'm thinking necro/rose/1p monster with max magicka. Hmm or maybe some sort or heavy set to couple with necro or rose.

Zedrian

Frost staff ranged taunt and proc Tremorscale :} I think ZOS is taunting us go try other games.

Have much much trial farming done I was happy on my magsorc dps to have a Sharpened Infaillible Frost Staff, but now it is gonna get deconstructed real fast .

In PVE, it is hard to cast Heavy Attacks as a tank, so it is an unreliable taunt unless it cannot be interrupted like other abilities (Inner fire, Pierce armor). This passive change is just useless seriously.

Faulgor

I'm very disappointed we lost the snare. That was kind of the point of frost, wasn't it?

We'll also lose the damage shield from frost heavy attacks, which was a nice synergy with Ice Heart.

I guess I'll either have to adapt and learn to switch to secondary weapon to block or just not get the passives.

RouDeR

Best change ever , however the block cost reduction is OP , the mitigation is ok but the cost reduction shud not be implated .

Dracane

I can see countless overpowered builds with this.
I doubt we'll enjoy these in pvp. Creative change, but not well thought through. Will be too good

SublimeSparo

Zedrian wrote: »

Frost staff ranged taunt and proc Tremorscale :} I think ZOS is taunting us go try other games.

Have much much trial farming done I was happy on my magsorc dps to have a Sharpened Infaillible Frost Staff, but now it is gonna get deconstructed real fast .

In PVE, it is hard to cast Heavy Attacks as a tank, so it is an unreliable taunt unless it cannot be interrupted like other abilities (Inner fire, Pierce armor). This passive change is just useless seriously.

Solution morph inner fire to the stam version, voila stam taunt, stam regen, magicka blocking