Unchained is nerf uncalled for

silky_soft

The Lady
Unchained: This ability now reduces the cost of a single Stamina ability by 80% for 5 seconds instead of reducing the cost of all Stamina abilities used within 3 seconds by 80%.

Not like it's op like shield ulti

Izaki

Its on par with the magicka one.

silky_soft

You also block, breakfree, dodge, sneak and sprint with stamina.

SanTii.92

Uncalled? Really? It was amazingly overpowered, free shuffle on mag chars. Good change.

Paraflex

It's a good change

silky_soft

Still allows mag to do that

Blackfyre20

silky_soft wrote: »

You also block, breakfree, dodge, sneak and sprint with stamina.

And all your stamina skills are also significantly cheaper than magicka skills

silky_soft

Because of that reason

Yuke

How do you know which ability will cost less for 5 seconds?

The first one i use after breakfree?

silky_soft

Yuke wrote: »

How do you know which ability will cost less for 5 seconds?

The first one i use after breakfree?

yea first stam. Within 5s

Yuke

which probably will be vigor in 75% of the cases....[SNIP] change.

[edited for profanity]

Blackfyre20

silky_soft wrote: »

Because of that reason

Right, so whats the issue? Unchained was unbalanced vs the magicka potion CP passives. What do you want, free stam abilities so you only have to use stam to block, roll, and sprint?

silky_soft

Or you could buff magika

ostrapz

As a stam main I honestly agree with this change and I think unchained was a small part of the inability to run characters out of resources. That being said there were a few other stam nerf but magicka got buffs in various places and I think magicka will take over this patch

LeifErickson

Unchained was overpowered. This is a good change balance wise.

Ishammael

LeifErickson wrote: »

Unchained was overpowered. This is a good change balance wise.

agreed.

Yuke

Fact is:

You get burst Damage after hard CC -> Your first Stamina-Skill will be Vigor -> A five seconds hot -> Wasted Change PvP-Wise.

ostrapz

@yuke I disagree, other than vma cc is a nonexistent threat in pve so it's definitely geared to pvp. Also after a cc with previous unchained you typically cast vigor, shuffle ,Rally which is roughly 6-7k stam and is brought down in cost to about 2k total in cost. In comparison now performing those moves after cc in whichever order will now take you from a total of 6-7k stam spent down to 4-5k stam total which is an extra 2-3k spent now after being cc-ed compared to now

alephthiago

Uncalled for?
Several people already agreed unchained was too powerful in the past, just check the forums.

WillhelmBlack

wot

Yuke

In theory maybe. I studied my recorded fights the last couple of week in a very intense way (you can ask all Noricum members). And in a typical fight situation vs. 3-4 Enemies you dont have time to do something else but Dodgeroll after casting Vigor - the burst damage is simply to high atm.

But yeah, things probably work differently on the US servers. I made this observation many times watching PvP videos from US where 90% of the enemies dont deal any dmg and spam light attacks in melee.

I think its just a change without any effect in a typical pvp situation (2 proc blades + x). Nothing really to discuss, it just shows that the person who had that idea never was in PvP.

dsalter

wouldn't halving the cost reduction to 40% have been a better middle ground change?

silky_soft

ostrapz wrote: »

@yuke I disagree, other than vma cc is a nonexistent threat in pve so it's definitely geared to pvp. Also after a cc with previous unchained you typically cast vigor, shuffle ,Rally which is roughly 6-7k stam and is brought down in cost to about 2k total in cost. In comparison now performing those moves after cc in whichever order will now take you from a total of 6-7k stam spent down to 4-5k stam total which is an extra 2-3k spent now after being cc-ed compared to now

Yeop, exactly. This with evasion nerf, might as well become vamp, slot 2H, 7H, 75 in tumble and use brute.

Toast_STS

Well it's a buff to my mDK since my only stam skill is retreating maneuvers. 2 extra seconds give me more breathing room to swap weapons when it's lagging.

Malamar1229

lol this was the most Called for nerf in the entire notes

SnubbS

Stamina has to slot two damage sets to be on par with Magclasses who have to slot a sustain set. Think about that. Stam is getting it's sustain nerfed -- and it's survivability nerfed. This is a hundred times more damaging than VCurse being changed.

GreenSoup2HoT

100% justified. Why should a heavy armour user with under 800 regen be able to cast shuffle, vigor and rally each time they are cc'd for 80% reduced cost on all of it?

Its about time cc'ing stamina builds actually harmed them instead of benefiting them. I play stamina and only stamina. This change is great. This is a buff to regen builds like myself. Stacking all into maximum stats is now going to be harder then ever (sustain wise).

This is actually a huge nerf to RedGuard stam sorc/dks. They crutched so hard on this passive it wasn't even funny.

silky_soft

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

100% justified. Why should a heavy armour user with under 800 regen be able to cast shuffle, vigor and rally each time they are cc'd for 80% reduced cost on all of it?

Its about time cc'ing stamina builds actually harmed them instead of benefiting them. I play stamina and only stamina. This change is great. This is a buff to regen builds like myself. Stacking all into maximum stats is now going to be harder then ever (sustain wise).

This is actually a huge nerf to RedGuard stam sorc/dks. They crutched so hard on this passive it wasn't even funny.

"Why should heavy armour users with unmitigated free stat return be able to cast shuffle." Fixed that for you.

It's actually a massive nerf to any race that's not redguard. Redguards passive is still op even after it's nerf, should be a new medium armour 7p trait.

Sanct16

@Yuke

I'm pretty sure what they mean is that the first skill you use will be 80% cheaper the first time you use it. If you repeatedly use that ability, the following activations will have the "normal" cost.

And tbh I think this is a good change. The amount of sustain you got as a Stambuild just from this CP passive was a bit over the top compared to other CP passives.

OdinForge

Good change, one of the few good changes in fact.

Yuke

Wow, really. Magicka Temps and DKs can play with Infinite-Rose and people still complain about Unchained passive. Well, whatever, im out of here...

Let me just tell you that there is a reason why i stack 100% mag cost increase poison on top of 60% mag cost increase poison atm.