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Imagine the Dragonborn Class
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✭✭✭✭✭WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »What's actually kind of surprising is that there aren't more Dragonborn wandering the setting. Given Alessia managed to produce enough decedents to keep the bloodline going into the 4th Era. Usually, in the real world, when something like that happens, you'd end up with half the continent being dragonborn and not even realizing it. Even if it was only splintering off into the general population from illegitimate offspring, you should still be seeing loads of them wandering around.
They did mention that there were emperors in the Alessian empire that weren't related to one another, so it might not all be her. My pet theory is that you don't have to be specifically DRAGONBORN to wear the Amulet, you have to share blood with one or more gods--but Akatosh being a god, of course Dragonborn count. (This is why I brought up the Reman dynasty in my earlier post and not the Alessian one--the Tsaesci Akaviri instantly recognized Reman as being Dragonborn, when what little we know of them states they'd followed the Dragonborn back in their homeland; presumably they'd be able to recognize someone who was Dragonborn specifically, rather than a descendant of say, Zenithar. There is no secondary check on the Alessian emperors as far as I know.) But I don't have any proof of that one way or another so I'll leave that as speculation for now.
Personally, I suspect that the Dragonborn are a byproduct of becoming a Chosen of Akatosh (and possibly Talos in the 3rd and 4th eras.)WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »Talos and IIRC some of the other Nine did it in Morrowind.
As I recall, all of the Nine Divines show up in Morrowind, though I've only ever found Mara and Talos. (And never resorted to using a guide for finding the rest.)WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »So our Skyrim character doesn't have to be descended from any of the pre-existing Dragonborn bloodlines at all; they may have all been wiped out, and then Talos or Akatosh could have shown up more recently to get someone knocked up with their offspring and then gone back to holding together the Mundus and/or keeping out Daedric princes.
Yeah, I find it plausible that the Dragonborn in Skyrim is a chosen of Talos, and that's how they became one. Alternately, it's possible they're one of the last surviving descendants of the Septim dynasty.WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »There may also be plain old genetics to consider; if being 'Dragonborn' is a gene, and only one parent has that gene, then there's a real possibility that it won't be passed on to the offspring. In which case it may be that half the continent IS descended from Alessia, but none of them have that quirk of DNA they need to eat souls, so it doesn't matter.
If this were the case, I'd suspect we'd have evidence in the form of Imperial heirs who failed to be dragonborn.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭DigitalShibby wrote: »Doesn't all the dragonborn shenanigans take place far in the future compared to where eso's current timeline is? I could be wrong..not a big lore guy.
The Dragonborn is a Mortal born with "the blood of Dragons", meaning they are capable of mastering the Way of the Voice, (which is basically speaking Dragonish), and absorbing a Dragon's soul when one is killed by the Dragonborn. Funnily enough, the ancient law is that only the Dragonborn may sit upon the Ruby Throne and be Emperor of Cyrodiil, so the MC of Skyrim is technically the Heir to the Empire.
However Dragonborn can never be a class, they're few and finite.
^^^^
Exactly why Varen was tricked as well. He did not want to rule "illegitimately", as he was not a Dragonborn, so he believed Mannimarco's lies in hopes he could become one. That's when Mannimarco basically ruined everything and Molag Bal was able to begin his invasion of Tamriel.
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JarlUlfric✭✭✭✭DigitalShibby wrote: »Doesn't all the dragonborn shenanigans take place far in the future compared to where eso's current timeline is? I could be wrong..not a big lore guy.
The Dragonborn is a Mortal born with "the blood of Dragons", meaning they are capable of mastering the Way of the Voice, (which is basically speaking Dragonish), and absorbing a Dragon's soul when one is killed by the Dragonborn. Funnily enough, the ancient law is that only the Dragonborn may sit upon the Ruby Throne and be Emperor of Cyrodiil, so the MC of Skyrim is technically the Heir to the Empire.
However Dragonborn can never be a class, they're few and finite.
No he is not technically heir to the empire. It is not an ancient law the only the Dragonborn may sit upon the Ruby Throne, you are wholly mistaken. The Chim-el Adabal, or the Amulet of Kings as it is known is the item that you've mistaken the Ruby Throne for, only Dragonborns are capable of wearing the amulet which is the symbol of the Office of Emperor of Cyrodiil. The reason why is that only a Dragonborn may convene and light the dragonfires underneath the Imperial City, which creates a barrier between nirn and oblivion, making it impossible for Daedra to invade like Mehrunes did. Unfortunately, after the Oblivion crisis the Amulet of Kings was destroyed in order to send Mehrunes Dagon back to Oblivion. However this made the dragonfires lit permanently, so the need for a Dragonborn emperor is obsolete. In Skyrim, you would have no claim to the Ruby Throne on the basis that you were Dragonborn.True High King
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✭✭✭✭✭JarlUlfric wrote: »In Skyrim, you would have no claim to the Ruby Throne on the basis that you were Dragonborn.
That's not completely true. The character has no direct claim. But, by tradition, they might be viewed the only legitimate claimant, if they chose to try to claim the throne for themselves. This could get really squirrely if the player character is one of races aligned with the Dominion, or from any of the provinces that have broken away. (IE: most of the rest, including the Nords.)0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »There may also be plain old genetics to consider; if being 'Dragonborn' is a gene, and only one parent has that gene, then there's a real possibility that it won't be passed on to the offspring. In which case it may be that half the continent IS descended from Alessia, but none of them have that quirk of DNA they need to eat souls, so it doesn't matter.
If this were the case, I'd suspect we'd have evidence in the form of Imperial heirs who failed to be dragonborn.
You mean like..."The Cyrodiil line is dead,” announced the Potentate to the crowd gathered beneath the Speaker's Balcony of the Imperial Palace. “But the Empire lives. The distant relatives of our beloved Emperor have been judged unworthy of the throne by the trusted nobility who advised his Imperial Majesty throughout his long and illustrious reign.
Now, 'judged unworthy' could just mean 'they didn't have the political connections to be Emperor'...but given that the Dragonguard is still around even in ESO trying to find a new Dragonborn, and they keep it up clear into the end of the Era until they find Talos, it seems likely to me that 'they couldn't wear the Amulet of Kings' is a valid reason also. It's at least ambiguous enough to be a possibility.#proud2BAStarObsessedLoony
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✭✭✭✭✭One of the major problems Tamriel has at this point is that there are no dragonborns around right now. Because if there was one... all they'd need was grab the amulet of kings to relight the dragonfires, and bye-bye easy oblivion incursions, and after that, they'd likely get offered the ruby throne by the grateful and traditionally-minded imperials (though still would have to fight for actual control). Which won't happen until quite a bit later (cough, Talos, cough).
Besides... "dragonborn" was the TES:Skyrim shtick. Just like "nerevarine" was the TES:Morrowind shtick. And "vestige" is the ESO shtick.
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...I kinda wish people would stop asking for ESO to be turned into "Skyrim-online" you know...
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QUEZ420✭✭✭✭MidknightWolf wrote: »A class that uses shouts to buff the party, self buff, CC, and DPS/Heal depending on the trees and skills/morphs you take. Im thinking like a shout barb from D2 lol. That would be cool.
This seems so right in a perfect world!!! ZOS I hope ur taking notes. 0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MidknightWolf wrote: »A class that uses shouts to buff the party, self buff, CC, and DPS/Heal depending on the trees and skills/morphs you take. Im thinking like a shout barb from D2 lol. That would be cool.
This seems so right in a perfect world!!! ZOS I hope ur taking notes.
I'm sorry to tell you that a "Dragonborn Class" is the last thing ZOS could add to this game, for the reasons presented in this thread.
But if you want that kind of skill line, they could make a Bard skill line that is focused on buffs, debuffs and the like. It is lore-friendly and it could be open to everybody, regardless of class. Bards guild DLC, anyone? Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
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Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
DeadlyPhoenix✭✭✭✭✭Off topic, I apologize.
It's very refreshing to see a thread like this! Debating lore and in a civil manner! It's actually nice to see instead of your usual forum fun haha...
Back on subject.
It's entirely possible for there to be thousands of Dragonborn running around at any given time. I also believe though that it's not very likely there are too many of them with the right criteria to be a demi-God. Look at people like your companions throughout the main story of ESO. All incredibly powerful for a normal human. So throw in the right mix of genes and you have yourself a truly gifted and powerful Dragonborn, outside of any other reasons there might be preventing them from living, reproducing, etc, etc...
All in all though as far as gaming goes and lore goes. Allowing everyone to be Dragonborn, no. Allowing people to learn certain words using the Voice or "Thu'um" is entirely acceptable if they do it right. Look at the Greybeards. None of them are descendents of Dragonborn blood, yet they dedicated their life to learning the ways of the Voice and mastering it. I think it's entirely possible that the Vestige could pick up on this easier than most considering how powerful we already are and how quickly we learn and adapt compared to normal people.
As long as they balanced it right and made it available to all classes as a skill line expansion, rather than a brand new individual class, since there isn't much to support bad*** masters of the Voice other than the Greybeards which are few in number.2 -
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✭✭So we would have hundreds, if not thousands of dragonborn running around?
No... just, no.
But, but, but, imagine it~
No one said it had to be feasible or be actually in the game. OP literally said "imagine". Read.Edited by HatchetHaro on January 2, 2017 11:19PMBest Argonian NA and I will fight anyone for it
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✭starkerealm wrote: »There can only be one dragonborn at a time and it can only be an Argonian*. Did you mean the Greybeard skill line?
*Let's be real here: Dragonborn, born from a reptilian creature, argonians are the closest to that. Logic, people!
Probably worth pointing out, The Elder Scrolls version of Dragons are more like a kind of sentient Aedric Attronach than a magical, fire breathing, flying, murder lizard.
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sneakymitchell✭✭✭✭DigitalShibby wrote: »Doesn't all the dragonborn shenanigans take place far in the future compared to where eso's current timeline is? I could be wrong..not a big lore guy.
Graybeards still live. But they still learn and teach other novice ones to keep doing the way of the voice. It's just that we can't have access in climbing the throat of the world right now.NA-Xbox one- Ebonheart Pact- Nord Tank DK
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✭Dragonborn isn't really a class or even a skill line. Is just something that inherit it.
Tho, I'm totally for a thu'um skill line and it's totally lorewise to have it.“Kings of the land and the sky we are; proud gryphons.” Stalker stands, the epitome of pride. Naked and muscular, his wings widen and his feet dig in as if he alone holds down the earth and supports the heavens, keeping the two ever separate.”
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✭✭✭Imagine the GTA invincible and all weapons class.
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✭✭HatchetHaro wrote: »
That's a pretty mechanical description (in the OP) for something that is never intended to hit the servers.
But yes, by all means, continue to hold in your head the idea of this class...
... just don't let it anywhere near the game itself.0 -
AuldWolf✭✭✭✭✭This is what I meant when I said -- a while back, regarding the complaints about negativity in idea threads -- that not every idea is a good idea. This is a patently bad one. ZOS's hands are tied when it comes to the lore, so they can't just have a dragonborn sucker-punching reality with a tiid-ahraan to show up in the past, many multiples of times. All the same dragonborn. My head hurts, let's not examine that further. Anyway, it's just silly.
Worse? There are those who like to pester enough in the game already. So how about we don't give them the ability to gather together and fus do rah as a chorus, eh? I'm sure everyone would love fifty people yelling shouts at the bank. I have a headache just thinking about it, on top of the one I got thinking about the ludicrousness of this in the first place.
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✭✭✭✭✭Worse? There are those who like to pester enough in the game already. So how about we don't give them the ability to gather together and fus do rah as a chorus, eh? I'm sure everyone would love fifty people yelling shouts at the bank. I have a headache just thinking about it, on top of the one I got thinking about the ludicrousness of this in the first place.
All of them using the Draugr polymorph for a real Skyrim experience!
Chambers full of shouting Draugr is the one thing I hate more in Skyrim than Dwemer ruins.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
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✭✭TheShadowScout wrote: »One of the major problems Tamriel has at this point is that there are no dragonborns around right now. Because if there was one... all they'd need was grab the amulet of kings to relight the dragonfires, and bye-bye easy oblivion incursions, and after that, they'd likely get offered the ruby throne by the grateful and traditionally-minded imperials (though still would have to fight for actual control). Which won't happen until quite a bit later (cough, Talos, cough).
Besides... "dragonborn" was the TES:Skyrim shtick. Just like "nerevarine" was the TES:Morrowind shtick. And "vestige" is the ESO shtick.
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...I kinda wish people would stop asking for ESO to be turned into "Skyrim-online" you know...
B-but how will I pass time until Skyrim 2 comes out
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✭✭Astanphaeus wrote: »This game has far too many Skyrim fanboys.
At least the morrowind fans (and even fans of the entries before morrowind) are here to combat the "Skydim" ideas that pop up here and there :PEdited by Stovahkiin on January 3, 2017 5:06AMBeware the battle cattle, but don't *fear* the battle cattle!1 -
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✭✭✭You'd think that Skyrim fans would have the slightest idea what a dragonborn is and why it wouldn't fit in ESO, but no.
False. All legitimate Cyrodiil emperors were Dragonborn, at the very least.wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »"Dragonborn", which there have been only 5 in the whole history of Mundas[/i]starkerealm wrote: »wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »The skill lines of the DK are the from the teachings of the Akavari Martial Arts, and have nothing to do with being "Dragonborn", which there have been only 5 in the whole history of Mundas, and only 3 at time of ESO, Miraak, Alessia, and Remen Cyrodiil.
So no. No Dragonborn Class!!
Huzzah!!
Well, that was a premature, "Huzzah."
Uh, no. There've been a lot of them. There's pretty strong evidence that Oblivion alone has three as NPCs in game.
What's actually kind of surprising is that there aren't more Dragonborn wandering the setting. Given Alessia managed to produce enough decedents to keep the bloodline going into the 4th Era. Usually, in the real world, when something like that happens, you'd end up with half the continent being dragonborn and not even realizing it. Even if it was only splintering off into the general population from illegitimate offspring, you should still be seeing loads of them wandering around.
You must be a descendant of Alessia to wear the Amulet of Kings. Dragon Born are created by the touch of Akatosh, not by being of Allesias blood line:
Dragonborn scarcely exist, and it is rare for more than one to appear at the same time.[2] They can belong to any race or gender, since dragons have no inherent concept of gender, and the dragon blood (transliterated from DOVAhSOS to Dovah Sos) is a gift bestowed to certain mortals favored by Akatosh.
As far as the few in history, & if you count you in Skyrim, are:
Miraak – Former Dragon Priest dating back to the Merethic Era and purportedly the first Dragonborn individual.
Alessia – Slave queen of Cyrodiil in the First Era who made a covenant with Akatosh.
Reman Cyrodiil – Famed ruler of Cyrodiil who thwarted the Akaviri Invasion during the First Era.
Tiber Septim – Legendary ruler who united Tamriel under his banner in the Second Era.
Septim Bloodline – The lineage of Tiber Septim's successors. These include Martin Septim and Uriel Septim VII.
Last Dragonborn – Legendary hero of prophecy who appeared in Tamriel during the Fourth Era. Also known as the Dovahkiin and the last recorded individual to be granted the dragon blood. Renowned for defeating Alduin, as well as Harkon and Miraak.
My point is that Alessia's bloodline does not make "Dragonborn", and that they are "As rare as Mythic Cipher", and not viable as a playable class..
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✭✭✭✭✭wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »Note* My go to lore sites are
http://www.uesp.net/
https://www.imperial-library.info/ - This one is my favorite and has tracked TES lore since "Arena".
That's not how citations work. Without seeing the actual pages, I suspect the list you provided is confirmed Dragonborn, not a comprehensive list.wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »As far as the few in history, & if you count you in Skyrim, are:
Miraak – Former Dragon Priest dating back to the Merethic Era and purportedly the first Dragonborn individual.
Alessia – Slave queen of Cyrodiil in the First Era who made a covenant with Akatosh.
Reman Cyrodiil – Famed ruler of Cyrodiil who thwarted the Akaviri Invasion during the First Era.
Tiber Septim – Legendary ruler who united Tamriel under his banner in the Second Era.
Septim Bloodline – The lineage of Tiber Septim's successors. These include Martin Septim and Uriel Septim VII.
Last Dragonborn – Legendary hero of prophecy who appeared in Tamriel during the Fourth Era. Also known as the Dovahkiin and the last recorded individual to be granted the dragon blood. Renowned for defeating Alduin, as well as Harkon and Miraak.[/i]
Yeah, at best, this list is woefully incomplete.wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »My point is that Alessia's bloodline does not make "Dragonborn", and that they are "As rare as Mythic Cipher", and not viable as a playable class..
Huzzah and Good Will!
For example:The Dragon God imbued Alessia's line with blood from his own heart, initiating a sacred compact which kept the Dragonfires lit and Oblivion's influence barred from Mundus...
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starkerealm wrote: »EnglishNorwegian wrote: »There can only be one dragonborn at a time and it can only be an Argonian*. Did you mean the Greybeard skill line?
*Let's be real here: Dragonborn, born from a reptilian creature, argonians are the closest to that. Logic, people!
Um no. All the dragonborns of past and future are usually Nords (like Talos or "canon" Nord player in Skyrim) or Imperials (given most of the Dragonborn Emperors in the Septim Dynasty are Imperials like Uriel and Martin). Really if you want to talk about closet race it would actually be the Akavir race of snakeskin people. Oh and it's not proven only one Dragonborn can be alive at a time and I protest this because, "Akatosh does what the f*** Akatosh wants to do!" ~Aragon Demigod. Speaking of Akatosh, he can be shown as human(oid) or dragon or both (at the same time) like in Oblivion when he appeared a golden fiery avatar to defeat Dagon.
The "only one at a time" restriction is explicitly false. Dragonborn are like any other bloodline. And all offspring from that bloodline are also Dragonborn. During the events of Oblivion, Martin was alive, and a Dragonborn the entire time, even before Uriel Septim or his other sons (who, yes, were also Dragonborn) were assassinated.
What's unusual with the Dragonborn in Skyrim, and the reason players seem to think they're automatically able to shout is, that character gets to do something that no Dragonborn had been able to do for thousands of years; slaying dragons and absorbing their power. Nothing would have prevented Martin from traveling to Skyrim, studying the word walls, and learning the dragon's language. But, he also wouldn't have had the ability to actually shout without either the assistance of the Greybeards or by finding dragons to snuff, and empower him.
Now, here's the hard question. Because you're bound at the beginning of Skyrim, this is a little unclear. Throughout the events of the game, the player character is shown to be extremely powerful, to the point of being a near demigod at times. (Even ignoring the interpretation that console commands, quick saving, and mods are actually part of the character's power set. (Yes, the character, not the player's.)) This lines up with Tiber Septum as well. The stuff written about him borders on a demigod on par with characters like The Tribunal. So, it's not clear if Dragonborn are also superhumanly strong, tough, and intelligent, or if the return of the dragons somehow empowered the player character. There's some suggestion that this is part of being a Dragonborn. Martin was able to survive a daedric assault force sent to kill him personally, which was sufficient to wreck Kvatch. Tiber Septum was a hero of legend. Of course we've also got Mirrak, but he's had time to level up a bit.
Also worth remembering, the player character in Skyrim is not the only Dragonborn in the Fourth Era, just the only one that is known to The Blades, and (probably) the only one actually slaying Dragons. It seems likely they're the only one in the province of Skyrim, but there are, almost certainly, more out there.
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✭✭✭✭✭andreasranasen wrote: »@Abeille Isn't this basically what Guild Wars 2 did with the Elementalist with the secondary profession?
I don't know, I left GW2 almost a year ago
I was thinking of the Bard/Dancer from Ragnarök Online to be honest. They were two sides of the same thing: Music classes that focused on buffs/debuffs respectively.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭EnglishNorwegian wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »EnglishNorwegian wrote: »There can only be one dragonborn at a time and it can only be an Argonian*. Did you mean the Greybeard skill line?
*Let's be real here: Dragonborn, born from a reptilian creature, argonians are the closest to that. Logic, people!
Um no. All the dragonborns of past and future are usually Nords (like Talos or "canon" Nord player in Skyrim) or Imperials (given most of the Dragonborn Emperors in the Septim Dynasty are Imperials like Uriel and Martin). Really if you want to talk about closet race it would actually be the Akavir race of snakeskin people. Oh and it's not proven only one Dragonborn can be alive at a time and I protest this because, "Akatosh does what the f*** Akatosh wants to do!" ~Aragon Demigod. Speaking of Akatosh, he can be shown as human(oid) or dragon or both (at the same time) like in Oblivion when he appeared a golden fiery avatar to defeat Dagon.
The "only one at a time" restriction is explicitly false. Dragonborn are like any other bloodline. And all offspring from that bloodline are also Dragonborn. During the events of Oblivion, Martin was alive, and a Dragonborn the entire time, even before Uriel Septim or his other sons (who, yes, were also Dragonborn) were assassinated.
What's unusual with the Dragonborn in Skyrim, and the reason players seem to think they're automatically able to shout is, that character gets to do something that no Dragonborn had been able to do for thousands of years; slaying dragons and absorbing their power. Nothing would have prevented Martin from traveling to Skyrim, studying the word walls, and learning the dragon's language. But, he also wouldn't have had the ability to actually shout without either the assistance of the Greybeards or by finding dragons to snuff, and empower him.
Now, here's the hard question. Because you're bound at the beginning of Skyrim, this is a little unclear. Throughout the events of the game, the player character is shown to be extremely powerful, to the point of being a near demigod at times. (Even ignoring the interpretation that console commands, quick saving, and mods are actually part of the character's power set. (Yes, the character, not the player's.)) This lines up with Tiber Septum as well. The stuff written about him borders on a demigod on par with characters like The Tribunal. So, it's not clear if Dragonborn are also superhumanly strong, tough, and intelligent, or if the return of the dragons somehow empowered the player character. There's some suggestion that this is part of being a Dragonborn. Martin was able to survive a daedric assault force sent to kill him personally, which was sufficient to wreck Kvatch. Tiber Septum was a hero of legend. Of course we've also got Mirrak, but he's had time to level up a bit.
Also worth remembering, the player character in Skyrim is not the only Dragonborn in the Fourth Era, just the only one that is known to The Blades, and (probably) the only one actually slaying Dragons. It seems likely they're the only one in the province of Skyrim, but there are, almost certainly, more out there.
So we agree?
Yeah, we agree that @Dracindo is wrong.0
