Imagine the Dragonborn Class

MidknightWolf

A class that uses shouts to buff the party, self buff, CC, and DPS/Heal depending on the trees and skills/morphs you take. Im thinking like a shout barb from D2 lol. That would be cool.

DigitalShibby

Doesn't all the dragonborn shenanigans take place far in the future compared to where eso's current timeline is? I could be wrong..not a big lore guy.

starkerealm

Going by Skyrim's logic, a Dragonborn class would simply be able to purchase any ability they wanted, including ones that are explicitly NPC only.

Dracindo

There can only be one dragonborn at a time and it can only be an Argonian*. Did you mean the Greybeard skill line?

*Let's be real here: Dragonborn, born from a reptilian creature, argonians are the closest to that. Logic, people!

Iluvrien

So we would have hundreds, if not thousands of dragonborn running around?

No... just, no.

ArchMikem

DigitalShibby wrote: »

Doesn't all the dragonborn shenanigans take place far in the future compared to where eso's current timeline is? I could be wrong..not a big lore guy.

The Dragonborn is a Mortal born with "the blood of Dragons", meaning they are capable of mastering the Way of the Voice, (which is basically speaking Dragonish), and absorbing a Dragon's soul when one is killed by the Dragonborn. Funnily enough, the ancient law is that only the Dragonborn may sit upon the Ruby Throne and be Emperor of Cyrodiil, so the MC of Skyrim is technically the Heir to the Empire.

However Dragonborn can never be a class, they're few and finite.

starkerealm

DigitalShibby wrote: »

Doesn't all the dragonborn shenanigans take place far in the future compared to where eso's current timeline is? I could be wrong..not a big lore guy.

Skyrim takes place 1k years after ESO. Dragonborn already exist, though none are currently known. The planemeld was the result of Varen trying to turn himself into one, after all.

The fact that there is no dragonborn to sit on the ruby throne is a huge plot point for ESO, and a major part of the Second Era as a whole.

Any Dragonborn who did become Emperor, even in PvP would be, by default, The Legitimate Heir to Allesia, ending the game. Which will happen in about 400 years (IIRC).

EDIT: Also, you'd be able to equip and wear The Amulet of Kings, so that's a neat perk.

starkerealm

ArchMikem wrote: »

DigitalShibby wrote: »

Doesn't all the dragonborn shenanigans take place far in the future compared to where eso's current timeline is? I could be wrong..not a big lore guy.

The Dragonborn is a Mortal born with "the blood of Dragons", meaning they are capable of mastering the Way of the Voice, (which is basically speaking Dragonish), and absorbing a Dragon's soul when one is killed by the Dragonborn. Funnily enough, the ancient law is that only the Dragonborn may sit upon the Ruby Throne and be Emperor of Cyrodiil, so the MC of Skyrim is technically the Heir to the Empire.

However Dragonborn can never be a class, they're few and finite.

It's a little more than that. They're descendants of Allessia, and are a living embodiment of a covenant with Akatosh that protects Nirn from Daedric invasion.

pureskills101

I like the idea! But as people have stated above lore wise it's just not there and they shouldn't be a class.

Pssstt, if they were I would play one!

EnglishNorwegian

Dracindo wrote: »

There can only be one dragonborn at a time and it can only be an Argonian*. Did you mean the Greybeard skill line?

*Let's be real here: Dragonborn, born from a reptilian creature, argonians are the closest to that. Logic, people!

Um no. All the dragonborns of past and future are usually Nords (like Talos or "canon" Nord player in Skyrim) or Imperials (given most of the Dragonborn Emperors in the Septim Dynasty are Imperials like Uriel and Martin). Really if you want to talk about closet race it would actually be the Akavir race of snakeskin people. Oh and it's not proven only one Dragonborn can be alive at a time and I protest this because, "Akatosh does what the f*** Akatosh wants to do!" ~Aragon Demigod. Speaking of Akatosh, he can be shown as human(oid) or dragon or both (at the same time) like in Oblivion when he appeared a golden fiery avatar to defeat Dagon.

EnglishNorwegian

MidknightWolf wrote: »

A class that uses shouts to buff the party, self buff, CC, and DPS/Heal depending on the trees and skills/morphs you take. Im thinking like a shout barb from D2 lol. That would be cool.

I mean Dragonknights. Get the wings, spikes, and you can breath mothertruckin' fire! Like a Dov's breath shout.

starkerealm

EnglishNorwegian wrote: »

Dracindo wrote: »

There can only be one dragonborn at a time and it can only be an Argonian*. Did you mean the Greybeard skill line?

*Let's be real here: Dragonborn, born from a reptilian creature, argonians are the closest to that. Logic, people!

Um no. All the dragonborns of past and future are usually Nords (like Talos or "canon" Nord player in Skyrim) or Imperials (given most of the Dragonborn Emperors in the Septim Dynasty are Imperials like Uriel and Martin). Really if you want to talk about closet race it would actually be the Akavir race of snakeskin people. Oh and it's not proven only one Dragonborn can be alive at a time and I protest this because, "Akatosh does what the f*** Akatosh wants to do!" ~Aragon Demigod. Speaking of Akatosh, he can be shown as human(oid) or dragon or both (at the same time) like in Oblivion when he appeared a golden fiery avatar to defeat Dagon.

The "only one at a time" restriction is explicitly false. Dragonborn are like any other bloodline. And all offspring from that bloodline are also Dragonborn. During the events of Oblivion, Martin was alive, and a Dragonborn the entire time, even before Uriel Septim or his other sons (who, yes, were also Dragonborn) were assassinated.

What's unusual with the Dragonborn in Skyrim, and the reason players seem to think they're automatically able to shout is, that character gets to do something that no Dragonborn had been able to do for thousands of years; slaying dragons and absorbing their power. Nothing would have prevented Martin from traveling to Skyrim, studying the word walls, and learning the dragon's language. But, he also wouldn't have had the ability to actually shout without either the assistance of the Greybeards or by finding dragons to snuff, and empower him.

Now, here's the hard question. Because you're bound at the beginning of Skyrim, this is a little unclear. Throughout the events of the game, the player character is shown to be extremely powerful, to the point of being a near demigod at times. (Even ignoring the interpretation that console commands, quick saving, and mods are actually part of the character's power set. (Yes, the character, not the player's.)) This lines up with Tiber Septum as well. The stuff written about him borders on a demigod on par with characters like The Tribunal. So, it's not clear if Dragonborn are also superhumanly strong, tough, and intelligent, or if the return of the dragons somehow empowered the player character. There's some suggestion that this is part of being a Dragonborn. Martin was able to survive a daedric assault force sent to kill him personally, which was sufficient to wreck Kvatch. Tiber Septum was a hero of legend. Of course we've also got Mirrak, but he's had time to level up a bit.

Also worth remembering, the player character in Skyrim is not the only Dragonborn in the Fourth Era, just the only one that is known to The Blades, and (probably) the only one actually slaying Dragons. It seems likely they're the only one in the province of Skyrim, but there are, almost certainly, more out there.

raidentenshu_ESO

I can see it now....

Dragonborn playable class only in the crown crate store.... under super apex category with having 2 percent of chance of getting it.

starkerealm

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

I can see it now....

Dragonborn playable class only in the crown crate store.... under super apex category with having 2 percent of chance of getting it.

If this was Cryptic, it'd be a racial option available at character creation if you spent $300 for the lifetime subscription.

Actually, it still kinda bums me out that ZOS never offered an LTS. I much prefer to spend 240 or 300 bucks up front on an MMO and never have to worry about billing again. Maybe I'm just weird. Maybe this is going way off topic.

Tryxus

A Dragonborn isn't something you choose to be, it's something you're born as

starkerealm

Dracindo wrote: »

There can only be one dragonborn at a time and it can only be an Argonian*. Did you mean the Greybeard skill line?

*Let's be real here: Dragonborn, born from a reptilian creature, argonians are the closest to that. Logic, people!

Probably worth pointing out, The Elder Scrolls version of Dragons are more like a kind of sentient Aedric Attronach than a magical, fire breathing, flying, murder lizard.

Bigevilpeter

We got dragonknight, enough for dragon classes

WhiteCoatSyndrome

The Dragon Knights already use the thu'um, so there would be nothing useful gameplay-wise to be gained by being a Dragonborn on top of that--the soul-eating is useful in Skyrim, but that's because there are dragons swooping around to eat, which aren't around in ESO. You can be crowned emperor in PvP regardless of not being a Dragonborn. Being able to use the Amulet of Kings to drive off the Daedra might be nice, but given that the capitol is swarming with mortal Daedric cultists you'd end up with a knife in your eye in under a week. (Also, it would screw up the plotline so...not going to happen.)

Stovahkiin

*facepalms*

No... just get out please

wenchmore420b14_ESO

It should be noted. "Dragonknights" and "Dragonborn" are not related.
Dragon Knights in 2E583 (ESO) are the remnants of the Akavari DragonGuard who swore loyalty to Reman I after the Akavari innovation in 1E2703, who in later years became the blades. The skill lines of the DK are the from the teachings of the Akavari Martial Arts, and have nothing to do with being "Dragonborn", which there have been only 5 in the whole history of Mundas, and only 3 at time of ESO, Miraak, Alessia, and Remen Cyrodiil.
So no. No Dragonborn Class!!
Huzzah!!

Rosveen

You'd think that Skyrim fans would have the slightest idea what a dragonborn is and why it wouldn't fit in ESO, but no.

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

"Dragonborn", which there have been only 5 in the whole history of Mundas[/i]

False. All legitimate Cyrodiil emperors were Dragonborn, at the very least.

JD2013

The Vestige isn't a Dragonborn.

Abeille

starkerealm wrote: »

The fact that there is no dragonborn to sit on the ruby throne is a huge plot point for ESO, and a major part of the Second Era as a whole.

This is the biggest deal of it all and the biggest reason why a "Dragonborn Class" can't happen.

I'm all for "adding new lore" when the existing lore doesn't directly contradicts it. It is why I am fine with Dire Wolf mounts although I have a suspicion that Game of Thrones had more of an influence on the addition of them than TES World Building. When there is no lore saying it is possible, but also nothing saying it isn't, it's fine for it to happen (although a good explanation is always appreciated, like the book on taming Dire Wolves added with the mounts).

This isn't the case with a "Dragonborn Class". The very foundation of the game, the reason why the main story is happening, it is all because there is no known Dragonborn to sit on the Ruby Throne. This is explained on one of the first quests with the Prophet, the one where you walk through his memories.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

It should be noted. "Dragonknights" and "Dragonborn" are not related.
Dragon Knights in 2E583 (ESO) are the remnants of the Akavari DragonGuard who swore loyalty to Reman I after the Akavari innovation in 1E2703, who in later years became the blades. The skill lines of the DK are the from the teachings of the Akavari Martial Arts, and have nothing to do with being "Dragonborn", which there have been only 5 in the whole history of Mundas, and only 3 at time of ESO, Miraak, Alessia, and Remen Cyrodiil.

You're simplifying to the point of being incorrect: you have to be Dragonborn to wear the Amulet of Kings, and there were more than just Alessia and Reman wearing it even before ESO - at the very least you're discounting all of the rest of the Reman Dynasty besides Reman I.

Also, the Dragon Knights do Shout, they just don't call it that: source and source:

The power of a Nord can be articulated into a shout, like the kiai of an Akaviri swordsman.

And this was, he asserted, because a dragonknight used actual dragon magic handed down from those mighty warriors who fought and won a war with the dragons back before the First Era.

Naturally being able to Shout doesn't make them Dragonborn any more than it does for the Greybeards, but to say they're completely unrelated is, again, simplifying to the point of being wrong.

Faulgor

MidknightWolf wrote: »

A class that uses shouts to buff the party, self buff, CC, and DPS/Heal depending on the trees and skills/morphs you take. Im thinking like a shout barb from D2 lol. That would be cool.

I could see a Thu'um skill line becoming available eventually, but not a "Dragonborn" class for the reasons already given.
Anyone can learn shouts given enough dedication, don't have to be Dragonborn for that.

starkerealm wrote: »

Dracindo wrote: »

There can only be one dragonborn at a time and it can only be an Argonian*. Did you mean the Greybeard skill line?

*Let's be real here: Dragonborn, born from a reptilian creature, argonians are the closest to that. Logic, people!

Probably worth pointing out, The Elder Scrolls version of Dragons are more like a kind of sentient Aedric Attronach than a magical, fire breathing, flying, murder lizard.

Personally I like the description of "biological time machines".

starkerealm

Faulgor wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Dracindo wrote: »

There can only be one dragonborn at a time and it can only be an Argonian*. Did you mean the Greybeard skill line?

*Let's be real here: Dragonborn, born from a reptilian creature, argonians are the closest to that. Logic, people!

Probably worth pointing out, The Elder Scrolls version of Dragons are more like a kind of sentient Aedric Attronach than a magical, fire breathing, flying, murder lizard.

Personally I like the description of "biological time machines".

Okay... "Probably worth pointing out, the biological time machines version of Dragons are more like a kind of sentient Aedric Attronach than an angry, winged, reptile of doom."

Browiseth

doesn't this game have enough fanservice already?

starkerealm

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

The skill lines of the DK are the from the teachings of the Akavari Martial Arts, and have nothing to do with being "Dragonborn", which there have been only 5 in the whole history of Mundas, and only 3 at time of ESO, Miraak, Alessia, and Remen Cyrodiil.
So no. No Dragonborn Class!!
Huzzah!!

Well, that was a premature, "Huzzah."

Uh, no. There've been a lot of them. There's pretty strong evidence that Oblivion alone has three as NPCs in game.

What's actually kind of surprising is that there aren't more Dragonborn wandering the setting. Given Alessia managed to produce enough decedents to keep the bloodline going into the 4th Era. Usually, in the real world, when something like that happens, you'd end up with half the continent being dragonborn and not even realizing it. Even if it was only splintering off into the general population from illegitimate offspring, you should still be seeing loads of them wandering around.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

starkerealm wrote: »

What's actually kind of surprising is that there aren't more Dragonborn wandering the setting. Given Alessia managed to produce enough decedents to keep the bloodline going into the 4th Era. Usually, in the real world, when something like that happens, you'd end up with half the continent being dragonborn and not even realizing it. Even if it was only splintering off into the general population from illegitimate offspring, you should still be seeing loads of them wandering around.

They did mention that there were emperors in the Alessian empire that weren't related to one another, so it might not all be her. My pet theory is that you don't have to be specifically DRAGONBORN to wear the Amulet, you have to share blood with one or more gods--but Akatosh being a god, of course Dragonborn count. (This is why I brought up the Reman dynasty in my earlier post and not the Alessian one--the Tsaesci Akaviri instantly recognized Reman as being Dragonborn, when what little we know of them states they'd followed the Dragonborn back in their homeland; presumably they'd be able to recognize someone who was Dragonborn specifically, rather than a descendant of say, Zenithar. There is no secondary check on the Alessian emperors as far as I know.) But I don't have any proof of that one way or another so I'll leave that as speculation for now.

For the things we do know for fact--

We have the Daedric princes, who are severely inconvenienced when there is a Dragonborn wearing the Amulet. They therefore have a vested interest in preventing the bloodline from spreading. So having their cultists arrange 'accidents' for illegitimate children, assassinations, etc, is going to keep the numbers down.

We know that Dragonborn tend to be power-hungry. Power-hungry individuals tend to get into trouble all on their own, all they need to do is lose one fight against whoever they were trying to conquer and they're dead. Look at Potema! How many Dragonborn died because she wanted more power?

We very rarely have the gods show up in mortal form--the Celestials did it in Craglorn, Talos and IIRC some of the other Nine did it in Morrowind. So our Skyrim character doesn't have to be descended from any of the pre-existing Dragonborn bloodlines at all; they may have all been wiped out, and then Talos or Akatosh could have shown up more recently to get someone knocked up with their offspring and then gone back to holding together the Mundus and/or keeping out Daedric princes.

There may also be plain old genetics to consider; if being 'Dragonborn' is a gene, and only one parent has that gene, then there's a real possibility that it won't be passed on to the offspring. In which case it may be that half the continent IS descended from Alessia, but none of them have that quirk of DNA they need to eat souls, so it doesn't matter.

lihentian

it shouldn't be a class, but a skill line.. though i doubt they allow us to be dragonborn

Abeille

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

We very rarely have the gods show up in mortal form--the Celestials did it in Craglorn, Talos and IIRC some of the other Nine did it in Morrowind. So our Skyrim character doesn't have to be descended from any of the pre-existing Dragonborn bloodlines at all; they may have all been wiped out, and then Talos or Akatosh could have shown up more recently to get someone knocked up with their offspring and then gone back to holding together the Mundus and/or keeping out Daedric princes.

My pet theory regarding Skyrim's main character is also something along these lines, although I didn't think of gods other than Akatosh choosing a dragonborn.
I imagine that it wouldn't be unthinkable that Akatosh would choose someone completely unrelated to Alessia to be Dragonborn, and it would stand to reason that this is exactly what would happen if the gods needed someone to stop Alduin but there is no heir of Alessia available at the time.