Monster Sets/Proc Sets - Do you rely on them?

Massive_Stain · January 2017

To make my opinion clear: I do not use them. Well, that's not entirely true, now, is it? I normally run with TBS and infallible mage. My staffs are usually sharpened (I carry three fully upgraded lightning staffs with three different traits).

When in Vma, I carry enough to be able to create the overload build just in case, but even then, its under powered compared to my 5/5/2 build with no monster set or proc set. Which brings me to my point: the only proc/monster set I find useful, is Molag Kena. And that's even if I use it!

Please, I would like to understand why folks are using underwhelming sets like (these are only examples -- that I have tested in Vma) Ilambris, Grothdar etc, when they could just be nuking groups twice as fast while not using monster sets?

Qbiken · January 2017

Do I rely on them??? No, I rely on my gameplay and skills (gear is a big part of it tho). I use monster sets to push that "Little extra" out of my build in pve

Milvan · January 2017

Massive_Stain wrote: »

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Please, I would like to understand why folks are using underwhelming sets like (these are only examples -- that I have tested in Vma) Ilambris, Grothdar etc, when they could just be nuking groups twice as fast while not using monster sets?

Vrienda · January 2017

Kra'gh gives me a 4K DPS increase, so I'd say yes for that particular set. I prefer twice born star and agility for my other set pieces though.

Prof_Bawbag · January 2017

About time they were changed. Makes no sense that armour can proc or crit. Armour should be defence based and weapons should be for proc and crits (offence). All damage should originate from weapons and because it's a fantasy game, jewellery at a push.

itehache · January 2017

Yes, I rely on mine. I know there are many builds that don't use monster sets/proc sets that still work, but I like what I use now. I am currently using Selene's monster set, the physical damage is nice and the bear looks cool af. I use also NMG, which is not a proc, stamina jewels and I am still dealing with the other few pieces I can get. As per now, I will not change the monster set

DannyLV702 · January 2017

I run 5x hundings/eternal, 5xhulk/spriggan and 1 piece bloodspawn. All medium all impen.

Massive_Stain · January 2017

Milvan wrote: »

Massive_Stain wrote: »

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Please, I would like to understand why folks are using underwhelming sets like (these are only examples -- that I have tested in Vma) Ilambris, Grothdar etc, when they could just be nuking groups twice as fast while not using monster sets?

Got something other than a meme to say? I lose dps using anything but what I'm wearing. I get 13k critical damage ticks from my staff alone, not counting my two area of effect spells and the crushing shock weave in between.

TrueGreenSmoker · January 2017

Yes and no

Massive_Stain · January 2017

Just to be clear, I have every monster set in tbe game so far in infused and divines. I have done testing only in Vma though, as I view this as a great place to test builds.

This isnt intended to be a troll thread, where I and others tell people that use these that they are wrong. I am just curious. And with the new update coming, we are all going to be affected in one way or another.

Wizball1987 · January 2017

I know this is still monster sets...but its not proc sets...and the difference is marginal

https://youtu.be/T3zPI69PuTY

OutLaw_Nynx · January 2017

Don't really rely on skoria but it is always nice to see it proc

KochDerDamonen · January 2017

I wish I could. As a healer, I'm upset that all the procs I can use look dead boring, suck, or both.
idek what troll king looks like v.s. a meteor shower
useless healing totem v.s. crab limbs sprouting from one's back
etc.

kevlarto_ESO · January 2017

Do not wear or own any, I prefer game play over cheese play, and have a good time and more satisfying game play as a result for me any way. I play the game as about vanilla as you can and when I play hard for a campaign in cyrodiil I am always in the top 2% at the end, with out exploits cheats, procs, intrusive add-ons, just old fashioned game play.

sneakymitchell · January 2017

Troll king really helps out survivability even in solo play. I just need to be hooting mobs and not get hit with almost one shot mechanics.

hedna123b14_ESO · January 2017

Massive_Stain wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

Massive_Stain wrote: »

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Please, I would like to understand why folks are using underwhelming sets like (these are only examples -- that I have tested in Vma) Ilambris, Grothdar etc, when they could just be nuking groups twice as fast while not using monster sets?

Got something other than a meme to say? I lose dps using anything but what I'm wearing. I get 13k critical damage ticks from my staff alone, not counting my two area of effect spells and the crushing shock weave in between.

If you dont find Grothdar or Ilambris to be a massive DPS increase, then you are doing it wrong... 8-11% of my damage on a 40-60k parse.

andreasranasen · January 2017

Anyone running viper+veli or grothdarr+EOTS relies on their proc sets and deserves a tbag

SnubbS · January 2017

Regardless of PVE or PVP no one 'Relies' on Proc sets. 'Rely' would mean that they're your only means of success -- that's ridiculous. It's a clear DPS loss in PVE -- however if someone is getting 45k Parses consistently, their DPS wouldn't be at 20k without procs. If you get 1vXd in PvP by someone wearing proc sets -- and you blame the sets -- there's literally no hope left for you, you're not even lucid at that point.

Faulgor · January 2017

Massive_Stain wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

Massive_Stain wrote: »

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Please, I would like to understand why folks are using underwhelming sets like (these are only examples -- that I have tested in Vma) Ilambris, Grothdar etc, when they could just be nuking groups twice as fast while not using monster sets?

Got something other than a meme to say? I lose dps using anything but what I'm wearing. I get 13k critical damage ticks from my staff alone, not counting my two area of effect spells and the crushing shock weave in between.

So what you're really saying is you want to get lightning staff builds nerfed?

Because this is how you get lightning staff builds nerfed =(

Aletheion · January 2017

Special armor (single piece or set pieces) that causes lightning to emanate from you, or fire to fall from the sky, or a spectral weapon or creature to fight at your side is totally consistent with the fantasy genre going back to the 70's and earlier. Maybe the 1700's.

Increasing power, or specific elemental damage, or causing an explosion.. all of these are normal for just about any fantasy game.

Some games, like Diablo 3, are designed to function with significantly overpowered sets - and more specifically, the synergy of multiple sets performing together for an even stronger boost of power.

It seems to me that PVP is where the real issue lies, so the simple solution (in my mind) is similar to the Vicious Death (and other PVP specific sets that only proc's on players, make certain sets only proc on monsters. No need to nerf their power or ability, just remove the player proc.

If Zeni split the sets that proc on players and the sets that proc on monsters, then balancing those sets would not affect the other side of the game.

-Aletheion

Jeremy · January 2017

Massive_Stain wrote: »

To make my opinion clear: I do not use them. Well, that's not entirely true, now, is it? I normally run with TBS and infallible mage. My staffs are usually sharpened (I carry three fully upgraded lightning staffs with three different traits).

When in Vma, I carry enough to be able to create the overload build just in case, but even then, its under powered compared to my 5/5/2 build with no monster set or proc set. Which brings me to my point: the only proc/monster set I find useful, is Molag Kena. And that's even if I use it!

Please, I would like to understand why folks are using underwhelming sets like (these are only examples -- that I have tested in Vma) Ilambris, Grothdar etc, when they could just be nuking groups twice as fast while not using monster sets?

Because they aren't underwhelming. They are a significant source of damage all on their own - which helps builds that are not oriented around doing damage do some damage.

They probably seem underwhelming to you because you are a DPS class already built to do lots of damage. But not all of us can get 13k critical hits from our regular staff ticks. That kind of damage takes a lot of investment into doing damage.

For example: when I'm playing a healer and using a restoration staff and my character is built to be high in healing % and magicka recovery - being able to throw two pieces of armor on for a decent AoE attack is very useful.

Massive_Stain · January 2017

Faulgor wrote: »

Massive_Stain wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

Massive_Stain wrote: »

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Please, I would like to understand why folks are using underwhelming sets like (these are only examples -- that I have tested in Vma) Ilambris, Grothdar etc, when they could just be nuking groups twice as fast while not using monster sets?

Got something other than a meme to say? I lose dps using anything but what I'm wearing. I get 13k critical damage ticks from my staff alone, not counting my two area of effect spells and the crushing shock weave in between.

So what you're really saying is you want to get lightning staff builds nerfed?

Because this is how you get lightning staff builds nerfed =(

How so? I have revealed next to nothing about my personal build except for my damage ticks -- FYI, they recently buffed the l staff.

akl77 · January 2017

I don't use monster helmet for my healer, but I do rely on worm set for reduced mag costs.
Then I do want the Spell power cure set to proc for my team.

MalakithAlamahdi · January 2017

What do you mean underwhelming? Seems a bit odd to call them that when i regulary get hit by gankers in which their Veli proc hits 500-1k more than their incap strike. They do a lot of damage, perhaps a bit to much for that matter. Though, i doubt anyone relies on them with the exeption of people who wear 3 proc sets.

Most of my characters don't use any proc sets. I prefer raw stats and i don't like running cheese sets. I don't like RNG in combat either, with the exeption of crits.

Tremors · January 2017

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Massive_Stain wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

Massive_Stain wrote: »

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Please, I would like to understand why folks are using underwhelming sets like (these are only examples -- that I have tested in Vma) Ilambris, Grothdar etc, when they could just be nuking groups twice as fast while not using monster sets?

Got something other than a meme to say? I lose dps using anything but what I'm wearing. I get 13k critical damage ticks from my staff alone, not counting my two area of effect spells and the crushing shock weave in between.

If you dont find Grothdar or Ilambris to be a massive DPS increase, then you are doing it wrong... 8-11% of my damage on a 40-60k parse.

Beat me to it haha

PurifedBladez · January 2017

I was wearing velidreth for the first time in pvp yesterday.. imo it sucks. Way to unreliable.

nordsavage · January 2017

Everyone uses undaunted sets and everyone relies on them to some extent. They are an abilities worth of Dps. Not an execute per say but a reasonable damage ability.

I do have one build where I rely on the damage proc more and that is my stamplar. I use Leviathan and Alkosh with Selenes/vMA bow. The super high crit and the two proc sets supplement the fairly simple and limited abilities available to that class and type. Alkosh shores up the lacking areas of a Jabs based AoE and Selenes picks up the slack for no execute on single target DPS. Now with these sets not crit'ing that unique build is heading for the dumpster and that alt to the shelf. But hey it only took months to get those sets best in all slot traits and weapons.

SnubbS · January 2017

PurifedBladez wrote: »

I was wearing velidreth for the first time in pvp yesterday.. imo it sucks. Way to unreliable.

Velidreth is a joke unless you're a StamNB ganking people.

Massive_Stain · January 2017

RedVyperOfDorne wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Massive_Stain wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

Massive_Stain wrote: »

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Please, I would like to understand why folks are using underwhelming sets like (these are only examples -- that I have tested in Vma) Ilambris, Grothdar etc, when they could just be nuking groups twice as fast while not using monster sets?

Got something other than a meme to say? I lose dps using anything but what I'm wearing. I get 13k critical damage ticks from my staff alone, not counting my two area of effect spells and the crushing shock weave in between.

If you dont find Grothdar or Ilambris to be a massive DPS increase, then you are doing it wrong... 8-11% of my damage on a 40-60k parse.

Beat me to it haha

It is quite underwhelming for my mag sorc. As I said, my dps suffered noticeably in Vma. And trust me, Im not "doing it wrong". Infallible mage adds way more on both the three piece, and five piece than Ilambris could dream of. Thats my opinion. I might as well point out that Im Console as well, so no fancy dps calculator addon.

My basic eyes on view is liquid lightning gives 6k per sec, wall of elements gives 5k, crushing shock gives 15 k every two sec, and staff gives 3x 13k ticks and a final 17k tick. I rotate every 4 sec velocious curse for 18k. And that's if I'm not running my overload.

I'm not doing it wrong.

Asmael · January 2017

The right tool for the right job.

Not the same setup for vMA, dungeons and trials. Grothdarr and Ilambris are "meh" in vMA, specifically because mobs die fast and DoTs are mostly precast (LL & Blockade for magicka sorc) to start dealing damage to mobs as soon as they pop.

In a trial or dungeon situation, they can both provide an extremely significant DPS increase due to their AoE potency, and they'll have time to reach their full damage since mobs (usually) don't die in less than 5 seconds.

So yes, 2x Kena for an Overload sorc in vMA absolutely makes sense, but not in a 12-men trial at this time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7J9la9bhQ8

mr_wazzabi · January 2017

Massive_Stain wrote: »

RedVyperOfDorne wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Massive_Stain wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

Massive_Stain wrote: »

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Please, I would like to understand why folks are using underwhelming sets like (these are only examples -- that I have tested in Vma) Ilambris, Grothdar etc, when they could just be nuking groups twice as fast while not using monster sets?

Got something other than a meme to say? I lose dps using anything but what I'm wearing. I get 13k critical damage ticks from my staff alone, not counting my two area of effect spells and the crushing shock weave in between.

If you dont find Grothdar or Ilambris to be a massive DPS increase, then you are doing it wrong... 8-11% of my damage on a 40-60k parse.

Beat me to it haha

It is quite underwhelming for my mag sorc. As I said, my dps suffered noticeably in Vma. And trust me, Im not "doing it wrong". Infallible mage adds way more on both the three piece, and five piece than Ilambris could dream of. Thats my opinion. I might as well point out that Im Console as well, so no fancy dps calculator addon.

My basic eyes on view is liquid lightning gives 6k per sec, wall of elements gives 5k, crushing shock gives 15 k every two sec, and staff gives 3x 13k ticks and a final 17k tick. I rotate every 4 sec velocious curse for 18k. And that's if I'm not running my overload.

I'm not doing it wrong.

How can you even say your dps goes down if you're on console and have no parse? You sure it's not bias?

Where's your data? If you have no numbers everything you say is based on opinion and not fact.