Should pvp servers fully reset at campains end?

Shadowasrial

Upon completion of the campaign the imperials rally and take back all thier keeps and claim thier throne again. Pushing all alliances back to the walls and turning all keeps white for us to scramble at reset to claim. Creating a equal fair footing for all 3 servers to start the campaign anew. Forcing the campaign to fully reset would bring more life to the campaign because then people wouldn't be avoiding some of the servers. Some campaigns the leaderboards you see first place players with millions of ap. While some a couple hundred thousand. And azuras star is dead. No body plays in it. When you have an emporer who doesn't let other alliances push the map it creates dead servers so if they aren't deposed at the end that emp and his crew can farm the other alliance gates at reset thus killing the campaign for the duration from start to finish again

Sugaroverdose

It will instantly kill population of loosing alliances 1-2 days before end

Shadowasrial

It wouldn't kill the population. Becuse knowing the whole map would be turning neutral could help bolster players to come back in near end of campaign so they can form groups when it does reset. Who ever is emp would be deposed. No more emps for weeks at a time.

JamieAubrey

Would have to be a test period, I would like this idea, the only keeps you start with is your 2 home keeps but make the NPCs a little harder to kill so a team has to kill and take over a keep and not a 4 man group etc

Wollust

JamieAubrey wrote: »

Would have to be a test period, I would like this idea, the only keeps you start with is your 2 home keeps but make the NPCs a little harder to kill so a team has to kill and take over a keep and not a 4 man group etc

Please no. Not everyone wants to run in silly pug zergs.

JamieAubrey

Wollust wrote: »

JamieAubrey wrote: »

Would have to be a test period, I would like this idea, the only keeps you start with is your 2 home keeps but make the NPCs a little harder to kill so a team has to kill and take over a keep and not a 4 man group etc

Please no. Not everyone wants to run in silly pug zergs.

xD

Shadowasrial

This new balance would cater to all players whether they are pug zergs or solo players. I would like it if imperial white keeps would have far more npcs inside maybe have a wide aoe range for preset siege up too the walls to at least give some sort of resistance. Not that it would stop a veteran player worth thier salt and blood.

Sugaroverdose

Shadowasrial wrote: »

It wouldn't kill the population. Becuse knowing the whole map would be turning neutral could help bolster players to come back in near end of campaign so they can form groups when it does reset. Who ever is emp would be deposed. No more emps for weeks at a time.

There's would be no reason to fight if everything will be dropped, devs predicted that and didn't make such huge mistake as reset

Azura on your platform and megaserver is dead because people don't want to get there, end of story.

Shadowasrial

That's where your wrong. Server reset gives every reason to fight. Because campains are most active at reset everyone wants to be emp. It gives everyone a reason to fight even the winners of the last camp because now instead of facing a couple of people at reset they can face an entire server driven to make the map theirs. Anyone who's thinks resetting camps at the end is detrimental to the campaign is just lazy and doesn't want to go through the effort of making the map theirs again. It's people who always get emp who want to keep it and keep farming for thier 5 stars but it's greedy players like that that cause the campains to die

kevlarto_ESO

Yep I would like to see every campaign be a fresh start and equal footing for everyone.

Qbiken

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Shadowasrial wrote: »

It wouldn't kill the population. Becuse knowing the whole map would be turning neutral could help bolster players to come back in near end of campaign so they can form groups when it does reset. Who ever is emp would be deposed. No more emps for weeks at a time.

There's would be no reason to fight if everything will be dropped, devs predicted that and didn't make such huge mistake as reset

Azura on your platform and megaserver is dead because people don't want to get there, end of story.

Azura is verymuch alive since people enjoy playing non-CP campaigns.

Reverb

When there were strongly held and defended buff servers for each alliance, I was an advocate of resetting the center ring keeps and all scrolls at the end of each campaign cycle. Now I'm not opposed to the idea, but I don't think it's necessary or important.

Shadowasrial

Reverb wrote: »

When there were strongly held and defended buff servers for each alliance, I was an advocate of resetting the center ring keeps and all scrolls at the end of each campaign cycle. Now I'm not opposed to the idea, but I don't think it's necessary or important.

Your right it's not necessary but that doesn't change the fact it would be a good change of pace and make it more of an even start promoting more people to come into the campain. It's also for the fact since keeps don't reset it give an edge to the last winning faction " which isn't important" but it does create a point imbalance when you have an emp who won't give ground.

Jaronking

Qbiken wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Shadowasrial wrote: »

It wouldn't kill the population. Becuse knowing the whole map would be turning neutral could help bolster players to come back in near end of campaign so they can form groups when it does reset. Who ever is emp would be deposed. No more emps for weeks at a time.

There's would be no reason to fight if everything will be dropped, devs predicted that and didn't make such huge mistake as reset

Azura on your platform and megaserver is dead because people don't want to get there, end of story.

Azura is verymuch alive since people enjoy playing non-CP campaigns.

Azura is only alive on PC and more on PCEU than NA.

User_Name

What about players inside a keep when it resets?

Don't you think that people will be organized enough to ensure they got dudes inside each keep they own before the reset, so that they can cap it and make it theirs the instant the reset happens?

Also I think it's true that people will feel inclined to give up the fight towards the end of a campaign.

In theory it's a good idea, but I think in practice it will suck.

Shadowasrial

I would imagine that when reset it will port everyone to the gate. It's not a bad concept and yes you might miss a tick but that's a small price to pay for a fresh start with everyone even.

Shadowasrial

It's the only way I can think of that would prevent spies inside of keeps ( however that might make an interesting new strategy for single players hiding in a keep from multiple alliances fighting to claim a keep)

NoFlash

They really do need to change ANYTHING. Same pvp for 3 years now. Ring around the Rosy

Stovahkiin

Umm.. how do we not already have "equal footing" when the campaigns reset back to their original ownerships? Everyone has the same amount of, well, everything. I'd say that's pretty equal.

Shadowasrial

It's not equal. When campaign resets what ever keeps are kept as they were before the campaign ended. All keeps should be returned to a neutral state

Stovahkiin

Shadowasrial wrote: »

It's not equal. When campaign resets what ever keeps are kept as they were before the campaign ended. All keeps should be returned to a neutral state

Since when do keeps not reset at the end of a campaign right now? They go back to whichever alliance's territory they are in, causing each alliance to start over with the same number of keeps and outposts.

Enodoc

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Shadowasrial wrote: »

It's not equal. When campaign resets what ever keeps are kept as they were before the campaign ended. All keeps should be returned to a neutral state

Since when do keeps not reset at the end of a campaign right now? They go back to whichever alliance's territory they are in, causing each alliance to start over with the same number of keeps and outposts.

That does not happen and has never happened. At the end of a campaign, all scoring is reset, but all keep ownership is retained.

WuffyCerulei

What should happen is that as soon as the campaign resets, all keeps and whatnot reset to default ownership and have all players be kicked simultaneously so this reset can take place. After that, players can return to a fresh campaign with all home keeps and scrolls.

ArchMikem

Shadowasrial wrote: »

It wouldn't kill the population. Becuse knowing the whole map would be turning neutral could help bolster players to come back in near end of campaign so they can form groups when it does reset. Who ever is emp would be deposed. No more emps for weeks at a time.

Yes! YES!!

I've never loved a suggestion more than I love yours now.

Enodoc

Shadowasrial wrote: »

It wouldn't kill the population. Becuse knowing the whole map would be turning neutral could help bolster players to come back in near end of campaign so they can form groups when it does reset. Who ever is emp would be deposed. No more emps for weeks at a time.

I don't agree with that. Knowing the campaign will reset, there would be no motivation for people to work for anything, as they know that all they gain will be lost. Although saying that, that really applies only to an active campaign. When the keeps are changing a lot and people are engaged, any systematic change that upsets the player-created situation would deter participation. But in a dead campaign, it may encourage people to come back. So I think active campaigns should not reset, while dead campaigns should reset.

ItsMeToo

I vote no.

There is enough lag in Cyrodiil without having a mad rush to take all the keeps again at the same time. The time to get into Cyrodiil will increase, long queues, lag as people get ported into the base camps, lag porting to the keeps, lag in the main zones where the fighting will be, lag, lag, lag...

Server and Client crashes, because the load will be too great with the mad rush to get back in.

Let ZOS fix the issues with lag and cheats first. Then they can come back and fix the bugs.

Then make these types of changes, if they think it's a good thing.

Bonzodog01

I think this is a really good idea, and the same thought crossed my mind a few months back about resetting the campaign at end.

It shouldn't kick everyone out of the campaign, but should merely transport everyone in the field back to their home camp, and lock the gates for 2 minutes whilst the reset takes place.

Also, I think the Imperials should have a larger role in the campaign, and can take a fort themselves if its left undefended for more than a set length of time during a campaign. Turn your back, and lose your forts! No more empty forts if there is a risk of a large NPC force attacking them. This would also revive Azura's Star, as there would need to be someone in the fort just to keep them in your alliances hands.

Of course, it would have to be a proper NPC takedown of the fort including breaching walls and fighting off your own alliances NPC's as well, so there would be plenty of warning if the imperials mounted an attack.

Potentially, emperorship could be lost very easily if the Imperials attack centre forts because they are undefended.

Sugaroverdose

Shadowasrial wrote: »

It wouldn't kill the population. Becuse knowing the whole map would be turning neutral could help bolster players to come back in near end of campaign so they can form groups when it does reset. Who ever is emp would be deposed. No more emps for weeks at a time.

noone says that they will not return after reset but it means nothing, because before reset campaign will be dead for couple of days.

Jaronking wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Shadowasrial wrote: »

It wouldn't kill the population. Becuse knowing the whole map would be turning neutral could help bolster players to come back in near end of campaign so they can form groups when it does reset. Who ever is emp would be deposed. No more emps for weeks at a time.

There's would be no reason to fight if everything will be dropped, devs predicted that and didn't make such huge mistake as reset

Azura on your platform and megaserver is dead because people don't want to get there, end of story.

Azura is verymuch alive since people enjoy playing non-CP campaigns.

Azura is only alive on PC and more on PCEU than NA.

Tell it to topic starter, i responded on he's point.

Mako1132

No, but they should reset the guild claims on keeps because half of the keeps are bugged with permanent guild claims at this point.

Shadowasrial

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

I think this is a really good idea, and the same thought crossed my mind a few months back about resetting the campaign at end.

It shouldn't kick everyone out of the campaign, but should merely transport everyone in the field back to their home camp, and lock the gates for 2 minutes whilst the reset takes place.

Also, I think the Imperials should have a larger role in the campaign, and can take a fort themselves if its left undefended for more than a set length of time during a campaign. Turn your back, and lose your forts! No more empty forts if there is a risk of a large NPC force attacking them. This would also revive Azura's Star, as there would need to be someone in the fort just to keep them in your alliances hands.

Of course, it would have to be a proper NPC takedown of the fort including breaching walls and fighting off your own alliances NPC's as well, so there would be plenty of warning if the imperials mounted an attack.

Potentially, emperorship could be lost very easily if the Imperials attack centre forts because they are undefended.

This idea for imperials to target unmanned keeps is a wonderful idea. Especially if these imperials are powerful enough to overwhelm small groups1-4 players as this would help to prevent boosting in small locations far from the eyes of players in actual combat. These imperials would be able to help moderate the servers and add an interesting dynamic to the game because no longer would you be able to just leave a keep alone. Also this would make it so if the campain does go dead it will help to give something to do if you did kill the server and if they gave ap it would be as if we had a 4th alliance to contend with

Cavedog

Shadowasrial wrote: »

Upon completion of the campaign the imperials rally and take back all thier keeps and claim thier throne again. Pushing all alliances back to the walls and turning all keeps white for us to scramble at reset to claim. Creating a equal fair footing for all 3 servers to start the campaign anew. Forcing the campaign to fully reset would bring more life to the campaign because then people wouldn't be avoiding some of the servers. Some campaigns the leaderboards you see first place players with millions of ap. While some a couple hundred thousand. And azuras star is dead. No body plays in it. When you have an emporer who doesn't let other alliances push the map it creates dead servers so if they aren't deposed at the end that emp and his crew can farm the other alliance gates at reset thus killing the campaign for the duration from start to finish again

How about a new campaign with the same parameters as Trueflame, but resets at end of campaign? ......we need any excuse se can get to have a new pvp campaign IMO.