Worlds Unknown

Inhuman003

What are World's In Elder Scrolls games or lore that are unknown that can be in a zone. Like underworlds, floating island and portals to other dimensions.

starkerealm

The various planes of Oblivion. Which, we're already getting one of those.

There are also a couple other continents on Tamriel, which are either lost, uninhabitable, or unbelievably hostile. We probably won't be seeing any of those, though.

Publius_Scipio

Black Marsh, The lands directly south of Cyrodiil, Summerset Isles.

Even if ZOS adds the exact area from Skyrim (the games) into ESO, I'd imagine there will still be a nice chunk of the north that has never been seen.

starkerealm

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Even if ZOS adds the exact area from Skyrim (the games) into ESO, I'd imagine there will still be a nice chunk of the north that has never been seen.

I'd have to check, but I don't think so. With Wrothgar included, we've seen the entire north coast, between Skyrim and ESO. Now, Winterhold should look vastly different in this era, since it hasn't been dragged into the sea yet (and the north coast is kinda weird on the map as is). But, in general, not so much. Still doesn't mean there wouldn't be cool things to find in Dawnstar or someplace.

JD2013

I would love to see Umbriel in an ES game, but it is way too in the past for that to happen in ESO given that it happened after the Oblivion crisis.

ArchMikem

Lets see, lemme get up a map.

We've got the other 7 Holds of Skyrim, the entirety of South and East Hammerfell, Eastern Morrowind that I think is under the control of the Telvanni, almost all of Argonia, South Cyrodiil around the Nibenay River, almost all of Elsweyr which is the kingdoms of Anequina and Pellitine, the High Elf "mainland" of Summerset, and a butt load of unimportant islands, including where the Maormer are from. :P

Map spoilered below.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

JD2013 wrote: »

I would love to see Umbriel in an ES game, but it is way too in the past for that to happen in ESO given that it happened after the Oblivion crisis.

@JD2013 We could kind of see it if we go to Clavicus Vile's realm, since it was originally part of that...it wouldn't be quite the same of course. Maybe we could be involved with putting Umbra in the sword?

KochDerDamonen

A big fat pile of Daedric Realms. We see quite a lot of Quagmire (Mephala, if you're in a weird place full of spiders you might be visiting here), the Shivering Isles (Sheogorath, see it a lot during the Mage's Guild), Coldharbour (Molag Bal, kind of a lot. literally the tutorial and the last PvE zone in the main story). There's domains like these for all daedric princes, and infinitely more minor areas for lesser daedra. They can be all sorts of strange, so we'll see what we can see.


EDIT: I don't expect us to see it, but some speculate that the "Aether" is accessible and may have been reached by the Dwemer in the past, and may be like a mysterious spacey magicy plane of who-knows-what.

JD2013

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

I would love to see Umbriel in an ES game, but it is way too in the past for that to happen in ESO given that it happened after the Oblivion crisis.

@JD2013 We could kind of see it if we go to Clavicus Vile's realm, since it was originally part of that...it wouldn't be quite the same of course. Maybe we could be involved with putting Umbra in the sword?

You are right, it would kind of be like Umbriel in a roundabout way as it is, as you say, part of Clavicus Vile's realm of Oblivion.

That would make for a good quest actually!

I would love to see more Clavicus Vile and indeed Barbas in this game.

wenchmore420b14_ESO

As far as Nirn Geography goes, we also have:
Atmora~  also known as Altmora or Elder Wood in Ehlnofex.
Aldmeris~ (Old Ehlonfey)
Yokuda~but it sank
Summer Set Isles~ (Alinor)
Pyandoea~ Home of the Maormer Elves
Artaeum~ Home of the Psijic Order. Disappeared 2E230, Returned 2E730 approx.
Akavir~ also known as Dragon Land, is a continental landmass east of Tamriel. The two continents have a history of animosity towards each other, with Akavir invading Tamriel several times in the past and Tamriel invading Akavir at least once. Much of what is known about it in Tamriel is acknowledged to be incomplete or inaccurate.
Tang Mo~ is home to a race of monkey-folk (not to be confused with the monkey-folk known as the Imga) who are being oppressed on a constant basis by the three other races of Akavir. 
Tsacsei~  is the largest, and presumably the most powerful, of the kingdoms on Akavir. It was the first region on Akavir to attempt a Tamrielic invasion, with moderate success. According to legend, Tsaesci is the homeland of immortal vampiric serpent-men. The men that used to exist in Akavir were all eaten by this race. The Tsaesci also enslaved goblins that they used for labor and blood.
Perhaps the most well-known Tsaesci from this region was Potentate Versidue Shaie, who ruled the Cyrodiilic Empire after the death of King Reman III. His bloodline ruled for four hundred years, before being assassinated by the Morag Tong.
Ka'Po'Tun'~ Formerly Po Tun, Tiger Empire, Ka Po' Tun is the homeland of the tiger people. After the serpent-men ate all the men of Akavir, they also attempted to eat all the dragons. The red dragons were eaten, but the black dragons fled to what was then known as Po Tun. A great war on Akavir followed, leaving all remaining dragons dead and both serpent and tiger peoples weak. The tiger people have since attempted to become dragons. Their leader, Tosh Raka, has already accomplished this and is the largest dragon in the world.
Kamal~ is inhabited by primal demons that thaw out once a year and attack Tang Mo, but the monkey-folk always manage to drive them back.

Thras Islands~
Roscrea~
Esoniet~
Issgard~
Ynslea~
Cathnoquey~
Wyrmstooth~
Lyg~ (Known in Lore Books as “The Adjacent Place”).

WhiteCoatSyndrome

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

Wyrmstooth~

Err, isn't Wyrmstooth from a player-made mod?

Skinzz

Akavir

ArchMikem

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

Wyrmstooth~

Err, isn't Wyrmstooth from a player-made mod?

I was about to say that as well, I remember playing it.

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

Cathnoquey~

Eyy another beast race homeland.

starkerealm

ArchMikem wrote: »

Lets see, lemme get up a map.

We've got the other 7 Holds of Skyrim, the entirety of South and East Hammerfell, Eastern Morrowind that I think is under the control of the Telvanni, almost all of Argonia, South Cyrodiil around the Nibenay River, almost all of Elsweyr which is the kingdoms of Anequina and Pellitine, the High Elf "mainland" of Summerset, and a butt load of unimportant islands, including where the Maormer are from. :P

Map spoilered below.

There's at least five more zones in Cyrodiil, the West Weald (with Skingrad), the Imperial Reserve (north of the Gold Coast), the Nibenay Valley and Nibenay Basin. Depending on how you measure it, a large chunk of The Colovian Highlands is missing as well, and the Valus Mountains are inaccessible from the Cyrodiil side (though this could be rolled into the Nibenay Basin, depending on where the map is drawn.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

@ArchMikem Where's that map from, BTW?

wenchmore420b14_ESO

ArchMikem wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

Wyrmstooth~

Err, isn't Wyrmstooth from a player-made mod?

I was about to say that as well, I remember playing it.

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

Cathnoquey~

Eyy another beast race homeland.

Yup! Thank you both for the keen in-sight! Fixed.. Didn't check my research close enough.
Huzzah!

runagate

I'm pretty sure that Lyg wouldn't exist as a place you can go per se. I was reading about this about 2 weeks ago:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Lyg

"According to the teachings of Mankar Camoran, Lyg was the name of a continent that existed when Nirn was ruled by the dreugh in the Dawn Era.

The tyrannical dreugh-kings enslaved the "nineteen and nine and nine" oceans of Lyg and fought constant border wars amongst themselves.[1] This correlates with the teachings of the Tribunal Temple, which state that Molag Bal had served as the chief of the dreughs in a form that was "spiny and armored and made for the sea", the after-image of which was reborn in Tamriel and known as the Ruddy Man.

Mehrunes Dagon is said to have been created and imbued with hope by the Magna Ge in the bowels of Lyg. Dagon then rose a "red legion" in rebellion and destroyed the Towers of CHIM-EL GHARJYG, casting down its cities and destroying the continent. In this way, Dagon "freed" Nirn from Creation.[1] Replicating this mythic event was the main goal of Camoran's Oblivion Crisis in 3E 433, when he succeeded in temporarily breaking Akatosh's covenant and bringing Dagon to Tamriel"




http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Lyg

Lyg, also known as the Adjacent Place,[1][OOG 1] is a parallel version of Tamriel which can only be reached by sliding sideways in some unusual manner,[1][OOG 1] only being entered through its "non-cardinal" directions. The realm was said to have been created during a strange occurrence in which Nirn was folded up, with Tamriel leaving a klecksographic imprint of itself in some unknown location, that being Lyg.[OOG 2] Everything vaguely associated with Tamriel is, in turn, related to Lyg in some way.[OOG 3] Lyg is said by Vivec to be an illusion of "the vocal or the middle realms of thought."

The Grabbers:

"In the 36 Lessons, Lyg is said to be populated by a strange race of beings known as the Grabbers which are said to have "never made a city of their own." In their admiration of Vivec's City, the Grabbers took his monster/child, Ha-Note, and built their tower-hope on it, turning him into City-Face.

It is possible that the mythical Grabbers of Lyg were, in actuality, the Magna Ge, and that Vivec's child, City-Face, may be an allegorical reference towards Mehrunes Dagon. This finds its basis in the legend that Mehrunes Dagon was formed by the Magna Ge, within the deepest bowels of Lyg, in which they installed with a Oblivion's most precious and scarce asset; "hope.""




http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2014/06/20/loremasters-archive-inexplicable-patron

"Good morning, I'm a soldier in the army of the Ebonheart Pact, and there's Nord calling himself Bruhn Crimson Fur. He is very dumb and can't even get the basics of Four Corners of the House of Troubles, but he asked me to write this question to you. I apologize in advance, but here it is: "Hey, Dark Elf. I battled a Dremora a couple of months ago and he called his master Malog Bear, Keeper of Coldharbour since the fall of Lyg. I don’t give a damn about that Lyg, but ask that magic-pagic guy of yours if that means Molag Bear wasn't such a huge *** before, but started out as a lowly Dremora." - Teryn Redoran

Divayth says: “Your attempts at humor are both feeble and dim. Therefore I predict a great future for you as a comedian in the cornerclubs, as you will surely appeal to the masses.”"

wenchmore420b14_ESO

runagate wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that Lyg wouldn't exist as a place you can go per se. I was reading about this about 2 weeks ago:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Lyg

"According to the teachings of Mankar Camoran, Lyg was the name of a continent that existed when Nirn was ruled by the dreugh in the Dawn Era.

The tyrannical dreugh-kings enslaved the "nineteen and nine and nine" oceans of Lyg and fought constant border wars amongst themselves.[1] This correlates with the teachings of the Tribunal Temple, which state that Molag Bal had served as the chief of the dreughs in a form that was "spiny and armored and made for the sea", the after-image of which was reborn in Tamriel and known as the Ruddy Man.

Mehrunes Dagon is said to have been created and imbued with hope by the Magna Ge in the bowels of Lyg. Dagon then rose a "red legion" in rebellion and destroyed the Towers of CHIM-EL GHARJYG, casting down its cities and destroying the continent. In this way, Dagon "freed" Nirn from Creation.[1] Replicating this mythic event was the main goal of Camoran's Oblivion Crisis in 3E 433, when he succeeded in temporarily breaking Akatosh's covenant and bringing Dagon to Tamriel"




http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Lyg

Lyg, also known as the Adjacent Place,[1][OOG 1] is a parallel version of Tamriel which can only be reached by sliding sideways in some unusual manner,[1][OOG 1] only being entered through its "non-cardinal" directions. The realm was said to have been created during a strange occurrence in which Nirn was folded up, with Tamriel leaving a klecksographic imprint of itself in some unknown location, that being Lyg.[OOG 2] Everything vaguely associated with Tamriel is, in turn, related to Lyg in some way.[OOG 3] Lyg is said by Vivec to be an illusion of "the vocal or the middle realms of thought."

The Grabbers:

"In the 36 Lessons, Lyg is said to be populated by a strange race of beings known as the Grabbers which are said to have "never made a city of their own." In their admiration of Vivec's City, the Grabbers took his monster/child, Ha-Note, and built their tower-hope on it, turning him into City-Face.

It is possible that the mythical Grabbers of Lyg were, in actuality, the Magna Ge, and that Vivec's child, City-Face, may be an allegorical reference towards Mehrunes Dagon. This finds its basis in the legend that Mehrunes Dagon was formed by the Magna Ge, within the deepest bowels of Lyg, in which they installed with a Oblivion's most precious and scarce asset; "hope.""




http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2014/06/20/loremasters-archive-inexplicable-patron

"Good morning, I'm a soldier in the army of the Ebonheart Pact, and there's Nord calling himself Bruhn Crimson Fur. He is very dumb and can't even get the basics of Four Corners of the House of Troubles, but he asked me to write this question to you. I apologize in advance, but here it is: "Hey, Dark Elf. I battled a Dremora a couple of months ago and he called his master Malog Bear, Keeper of Coldharbour since the fall of Lyg. I don’t give a damn about that Lyg, but ask that magic-pagic guy of yours if that means Molag Bear wasn't such a huge *** before, but started out as a lowly Dremora." - Teryn Redoran

Divayth says: “Your attempts at humor are both feeble and dim. Therefore I predict a great future for you as a comedian in the cornerclubs, as you will surely appeal to the masses.”"

This was awesome.Thank you for this. I get all my lore info from https://www.imperial-library.info/
They have been around for 20+ years. And from what I gather Lyg is a anomaly. It might exist, it might not. But it is a creation of Kirkbride, so I see it as canon and who knows, it might be a great DLC in the future??

tinythinker

Inhuman003 wrote: »

What are World's In Elder Scrolls games or lore that are unknown that can be in a zone. Like underworlds, floating island and portals to other dimensions.

So a good summary in terms of other land masses on Nirn (the world) other than Tamriel (the continent/empire in which the game takes place) is:

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

As far as Nirn Geography goes, we also have:
Atmora~  also known as Altmora or Elder Wood in Ehlnofex.
Aldmeris~ (Old Ehlonfey)
Yokuda~but it sank
Summer Set Isles~ (Alinor)
Pyandoea~ Home of the Maormer Elves
Artaeum~ Home of the Psijic Order. Disappeared 2E230, Returned 2E730 approx.
Akavir~ also known as Dragon Land, is a continental landmass east of Tamriel. The two continents have a history of animosity towards each other, with Akavir invading Tamriel several times in the past and Tamriel invading Akavir at least once.

Thras Islands~
Roscrea~
Esoniet~
Issgard~
Ynslea~
Cathnoquey~
Wyrmstooth~
Lyg~ (Known in Lore Books as “The Adjacent Place”).

Now, for underworlds there are the realms of the Dwemer and Falmer, some of which have appeared. Anything with mechanical creatures in a delve or dungeon was of the Dwemer, but we could always find a bigger, deeper example.

For floating islands (in the sky), one of the lost continents (Aldmeris, if it was real; Yokuda) could work as remnants of their destruction. Also possibly some other location as yet uncharted or which was deemed insignificant but given (temporary) significance during this era (an example of an as yet unnamed/unknown location speculated about below).

Floating islands could also work in another plane or dimension, of which the Planes of Oblivion (particularly the realms of Daedric Princes) feature most prominently. Finally events in some known but not yet added location in Tamriel may have created such an anomaly in this period.

Apocrypha (Hermaeus Mora)
Attribution's Share or Snake Mount (Boethia)
Coldharbour (Molag Bal)
Evergloam (Nocturnal)
Moonshadow (Azura)
Quagmire (Vaermina)
The Ashpit (Malacath)
The Deadlands (Mehrunes Dagon)
The Colored Rooms (Meridia)
The Hunting Grounds (Hircine)
The Myriad Realms of Revelry (Sanguine)
The Pits (Peryite)
The Scuttling Void (Namira)
The Shivering Isles (Sheogorath)
The Spiral Skein (Mephala)
Unnamed (Clavicus Vile)

Then there as yet unnamed/unknown locations that could be added later.

starkerealm

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

This was awesome.Thank you for this. I get all my lore info from https://www.imperial-library.info/
They have been around for 20+ years. And from what I gather Lyg is a anomaly. It might exist, it might not. But it is a creation of Kirkbride, so I see it as canon and who knows, it might be a great DLC in the future??

I suspect that Lyg is, literally, a coffee stain on a map of Tamriel owned by one of the developers. Probably Kirkbride.

KimberlyannKitsuragi

I feel we should see more of the shivering isles and eevya

TheShadowScout

Inhuman003 wrote: »

What are World's In Elder Scrolls games or lore that are unknown that can be in a zone. Like underworlds, floating island and portals to other dimensions.

Underworlds?
There are TONS of dwemer cities, both small (like the ones we found so far) and large... they could easily add some, or add a newly uncovered door into deeper regions to others we already explored. There once were whole cities larger then the imperial city underground, presumably with extensive attached cavern systems for farming and mining... some may be buried in rubble, many may be overrun by falmer, but they could easily open up one for player exploration as DLC. And of course... there is Clockwork City, which we know we shall get.

Floating Islands?
The only ones that comes to mind for Tamriel is Baar-Dau, the "Ministry of Truth" floating above the city of Vivec... I presume that one already exists in this era, though I cannot recall ever reading something in the lore as to when it was put there by Vivec of the tribunal...
Of course, there are lots of "floating islands" over in oblivion...

...which brings us to Other Dimensions
There are innumerable pocklet universes in what the people of Nirn consider "Oblivion" - each daedric prince has theirs, more powerful daedric lords may have a small one themselves, and there are also many, many unclaimed ones. We have been getting some glimpses, besides Coldharbour... Shivering Islands of course, and a few excurstions to the Deadlands or one scene in the Colored Rooms... Mephalas realm is also promised to come, someday... but there are many, many more they could always explore.
And that's not all. There are other planes between Mundus and Oblivion as well... Battlespire comes to mind...

Of course, that are only those options. For other zone possibilitiey, look at all the empty regions on the continent of Tamriel as well, and many more places on the map of Nirn besides, from Pyandonea to the remains of sunken Youkuda and frozen Atmora, to the continent of Akavir and some islands in the various oceans...