jabs

Syiccal

am I only one the feels like no matter how much dmg I push biting jabs feels like nibbling jabs in pvp.
easily avoided and when it does hit it takes so long to channel 1 ppl heal through it

susmitds

Watch @ColoredScreams 's video. A great stamplar player.

Syiccal

got a link?

susmitds

Syiccal wrote: »

got a link?

Check his profile discussions.

Syiccal

I'm a newbto this forum sorry how?

Kutsuu

Syiccal wrote: »

I'm a newbto this forum sorry how?

Click on the pretty blue underlined link that he gave you, and then click on discussions. You don't need to be experienced with this forum for any of this.

Drdeath20

Depends on how you built your stamplar. How high is your critical multiplier? How high is your crit chance? Jabs is great for crit damage. 3 out of 4 of your jabs can crit for around 5k if built right.

Syiccal

ah right my crit chance is 55% with jabs.
I got 10% increase on crit dmg in passivs + 10% with cp.
starting to think s+s might not be way foward if I wanna do decent dmg
only use it for stun and gap closer.

Gilvoth

you have the trio:
damage dealer
Tank
healer

if your a templar, you suppose to "heal" not be a damage dealer.
damage dealers are sorcerers and nightblades. this is true in every mmo i have ever played.

Syiccal

I don't believe that is the case

Lexxypwns

if you're building for damage from jabs @ColoredScreams probably isn't running the most helpful builds for you, they're using widow to help their burst and most stamplars take a similar route of using proc sets to help with damage while building to benefit from the class medning/purge and relying on procs to do damage. This isn't an indictment of that style of play, just not the answer to your actual question.

Personally, I like 5 Ravager 5 Leviathan 2 Slimecraw for open world 2h/dw stamplar. I'm running shadow+ health/regen food. With this, your jabs are gonna be lethal.

I also liked 5 Spriggans in place of leviathan, if you don't want to farm dungeons, the only downside is that the crit heals from leviathan add soooo much extra healing over spriggans. I only made the switch to leviathan+shadow because I got perfect pieces while farming lich and I would never switch back now.

Syiccal

currently use
5 black rose
5 briarsheart heart
2 bloodspawn

Docmandu

Jabs is indeed not something you can easily spam... also all that crit does nothing versus magicka shielding classes, since you can't crit shields... and versus stamina they'll shuffle, roll dodge and run so fast out of range, that the only time it's effective, is when you can get them down with CC.
vs perma block DKs you'll probably do more damage to yourself due to the hardened armor damage return.. and with their talons you can't jab since the root doesn't allow you to turn your character.

Then there's the snare on the last hit. It is something you don't even notice it's there, totally useless.

but.. when the planets align and you get some free jabs in, it does good damage.

tldr; it's very situational.

Syiccal

my point exactly...
so what's the solution

Lexxypwns

That's the problem, your crit chance isn't nearly high enough to make it worth running briarheart. You won't proc it often enough and you won't get the heal(which is already reduced by battle spirit) reliably.

You could easily keep the black rose and bloodspawn and sub out leviathan, spriggans, ravager for better results with jabs, or sub out viper/widow to get a higher overall burst, if you're not opposed to proc sets.

What's your CP distribution look like?

Syiccal

I don't wanna use procs I have a procblade it's easy and boring.
I found briars does proc alot to be fair

Syiccal

cp is pretty standard for stamplar

Lexxypwns

Syiccal wrote: »

I don't wanna use procs I have a procblade it's easy and boring.
I found briars does proc alot to be fair

Briarheart adds only like 70 more damage than hundings and it requires an RNG proc and has a theoretical maximum uptime of 75%, its a bad bad bad set.

You'll hear about impen and shields as a deterrent to running a higher crit chance, but trust me, the best way to build non-proc burst is by having solid weapon damage with above average crit chance and ideally, shadow stone. That's why I like the ravager setup, its gonna add 150 more damage than Briarheart, procs on all melee damage, and has no cap on uptime.

I'm running like 68% crit on a 4k weapon damage build(with ravager, wrath, and self buffs) with a 1.7+ CHD modifier and 1800 regen.

If you really don't like building crit, or don't want to farm, then run spriggans or draugr with blackrose. It won't be as much RNG as trying to totally rebuild everything.

Syiccal

ok nice

datgladiatah

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

you have the trio:
damage dealer
Tank
healer

if your a templar, you suppose to "heal" not be a damage dealer.
damage dealers are sorcerers and nightblades. this is true in every mmo i have ever played.

wtf is this have you played this game before

Ashamray

datgladiatah wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

you have the trio:
damage dealer
Tank
healer

if your a templar, you suppose to "heal" not be a damage dealer.
damage dealers are sorcerers and nightblades. this is true in every mmo i have ever played.

wtf is this have you played this game before

not teso obviously.

datgladiatah

Just to stay on topic, Jabs isn't the best with consistent damage unless you're fighting someone that can't spam dodge roll/shields. It's fine to melt down DKs if you build armor pen. But you should just be activating it for the savagery buff on one bar then use 2h to kill most people.

Lexxypwns

datgladiatah wrote: »

Just to stay on topic, Jabs isn't the best with consistent damage unless you're fighting someone that can't spam dodge roll/shields. It's fine to melt down DKs if you build armor pen. But you should just be activating it for the savagery buff on one bar then use 2h to kill most people.

That's one way to do it. The other is to run dw and use DoTs + Jabs for your damage, empowering Dawnbreaker and using steel tornado for crazy aoe burst

Brutusmax1mus

I run 2h/dw. Use stampede instead other gap closers for the show and your labs will land a ton. If you're using snb, the skill that debuffs enemies damage by 15%while slowing by 70% will have you connecting more jabs than ever before.

I use spear, stampede, light attack jabs weave. Fyi don't sweat the dots, burning light is way better than any dot and procs off almost every jab. In duels you'll want dots bit not open world.

ColoredScreams

Hey guys, just a few things to note about stamplar, biting jabs, and maximizing your effectiveness with this skill.
Biting jabs is a channeled ability meaning it has a cast time (1.1s) and it will scale off of the CP trees Thaumaturge and Mighty. Having a cast time also means this dps ability will be very predictable and therefore avoidable to any competent enemy player. Fortunately, stamplars are equipped with abilities and passives to help the effectiveness of biting jabs. As a general rule of thumb, you want to only use biting jabs when you can guarantee that all 4 strikes will land. Therefore it is your job to make sure the enemy is immobilized, stunned, rooted, or snared before you hit them with biting jabs. Additionally, the final strike of jabs will snare the enemy by 70% for 2 seconds, long enough to land another set of jabs, meaning casting multiple biting jabs will be decently effective. The 30% snare from the passive sacred ground (extended ritual) can sometimes be enough to help you land your first set of jabs but this is rarely the case.
As I mentioned before, adding some points into Thaumaturge will allow biting jabs to “double dip” from the CP’s bonus damage. You’ll want to add more int Thaumaturge as a DW stamplar than a 2H main stamplar. 2H main stamplars will use dizzying swing as another form of reliable damage and cc, therefore they will spend the majority of their CP in the Mighty and Precise Strike trees and less in the Thaumaturge tree (about 15-25). Personally, as a DW stamplar, I put 43-48 points into Them, 90-95 points into Mighty, 30-40 into Precise strikes, and the rest into Blessed and other efficient CP trees.
In terms of building for damage with armor sets, Clever Alchemist is a very solid choice. Having 4 alchemist on the body and 1 alchemist on your backbar will grant you an extra armor slot which can easily equate to more damage, sustain, or survivability depending on which set bonus you choose. Automaton, Draugr, Hundings Rage, and Spriggans all give about the same amount of damage output [give or take] and are all very decent 5 piece choices. Keep in mind that a stamplars healing abilities scales off of their weapon damage, max stamina, and weapon crit so sets like Spriggans can potentially give you more penetration but will yield smaller vigors/heals. If you decide to go with a DW stamplar with Clever Alchemist, you will have 8 other set slots available. In my current videos, I use 3x agility and 5x widow to to fill those 8 slots. I’ve used a range of different combinations in the past. 3x agility, 2x undaunted, and a 3x damage set is a very solid 8 slot choice that I have uses as well.
I’m going to throw in my youtube channel for educational purposes only, so that you can observe how nearly all biting jabs were casted when the enemy was immobilized, stunned, rooted, or snared.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC80uRaOFR3FWXpVhUFJZFsQ
best of luck! - kiri

Brutusmax1mus

That wall tho...