So what exact happen between Molag bal and the Vestige?

RinaldoGandolphi

Aeula wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

Aeula wrote: »

The vestige is immortal, doesn't matter how many daedra or assassins he sends after them, their body will reform. Same as any daedra.

At best he can capture and torture them for eternity, but he has bigger concerns than trying that.

Thats debatable actually.

For Molag Bal to dislike the Vestige, the events of the main quest must have already passed. If thats the case, the vestige has their soul back making them mortal.

They're immortal even with their soul returned. The body they inhabit is made out of 'azure plasm', which is the same material Daedra are made out of. Even with their soul back they can't die... unless every wayshrine and soul gem is destroyed and even that could be circumvented by going to coldharbour.

True, but had Tharn defeated the Vestige in the Far Shores the Vestige would have been dead Permantly as the Azure Plasm would have been cut off from Oblivion and died.

The Vestige is only able to manifest himself long term on Nirn because the Dragonfires are not lit. Once the Dragonfires are lit again the Vestige will not be able to maintain his form on Nirn because the barrier will sever his tie to Oblivion much like how the Vestige ties to Oblivion were cut off in the Far Shores (a part of Aetherius)

Enodoc

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Vythri wrote: »

So technically, the Vestige should even still be alive during the events of Skyrim? Since he's immortal and all?

An interesting idea that. All soul shriven are supposed to decay eventually, but that's supposedly due to their bodies being imperfect copies, and we are pretty certain that the Vestige is an unflawed copy.

I thought the soul shriven wand up getting a new replacement body once the one that they have fully decay?

Yeah it's an odd one that. More of the famous "unreliable narrator" effect.

From Chaotic Creatia: The Azure Plasm, by Doctor Rhythandius:
But they are not native to Oblivion, so a Soul Shriven's body is a sad imitation of the body worn in life, suffering rapid wear and decay until it dies—a death that is no liberation, for its vestige only forms a body once again, over and over, ad infinitum...
it certainly says that the vestige will reform the body forever.

But from On Soul Shriven, by Mannimarco:
However, the Soul Shriven were not invulnerable; the eventual death of the Soul Shriven subject resulted in its complete annihilation, so utterly final that not even a trace of its essence could escape to Aetherius.
it sounds like there is an eventual final death, as there would be nothing for the vestige to reform if the essence is completely annihilated.

Integral1900

Basically it boils down as follows.... spoilers obviously, everything below comes from in game lore and character dialogue

1 your soul, you need this back because as the prophet tells you early on, you are a temporary thing, an echo, you will not long endure, essentially you need your soul back to avoid fading away just like an echo

2 even once your soul is back you can still resurrect which means you are effctively an aedra, a being that arose in the first place because the world itself needed you to in the same way a body makes defences against bugs and viruses. You are litteraly a part of the world and not mortal. Even though you now have a soul you can no more die than a deadra can. In time you will fade away, but that could take centuries. However, remember that you are not indestructible, if you loose to much power to often you can end up unable to reform, just like a daedra.

3 the end of the main plot breaks the anchors, so any anchor you encounter is effectively happening before the plane meld was stopped. The best way to think of them is as memories, in reality they are now silent as the dark engines that powered them have been destroyed. All molag bal says takes place in that context. The main plot concludes with you effectively breaking his power. He may recover given long enough but it will be a long wait, the plot to come may include him but it is unlikely he will be the main antagonist given the titbits we got from orsinium.