broken gem extraction from crate items?

DrkHunter86

Could someone please explain how 25 potions worth 1 gem each extract for 4 gems total. I just wasted 5500 crowns on crates. Got 116 gems. Not even close too enough for 1 decent item. Therefore I now hate you yet again zos and will no longer be buying any of your products. Hope losing out on 100's of dollars I would have spent was worth the 50 yo ripped me off on.oh and my now cancelled eso plus sub.

lagrue

Potions exchange 5 to 1. You should have got 5 gems total lol

KingYogi415

that's enough to buy 1 mount. worth 2500

add your other drops in and i'm sure you got a fair deal.

DrkHunter86

KingYogi415 wrote: »

that's enough to buy 1 mount. worth 2500

add your other drops in and i'm sure you got a fair deal.

Except most things at 100 I either already owned or is garbage. And nope I got 4 gems from 25 potions each time. Fair deal nothin. How is 5500 crowns for a few *** costumes and a 2500 mount a fair deal? I assume you must be a used car salesman the way you talk lol.

SquareSausage

The money you spend does not equate to any the right to a good item, what you are buying is a chance at receiving that item.

Thats the problem we are seeing time and time again here, people expecting to get something after spending a set amount of money.

With regard to 4 gems from 25 potions I cannot answer as I dont know the answer sorry.

Toast_STS

DrkHunter86 wrote: »

Could someone please explain how 25 potions worth 1 gem each extract for 4 gems total. I just wasted 5500 crowns on crates. Got 116 gems. Not even close too enough for 1 decent item. Therefore I now hate you yet again zos and will no longer be buying any of your products. Hope losing out on 100's of dollars I would have spent was worth the 50 yo ripped me off on.oh and my now cancelled eso plus sub.

Do you not know how gambling works? Crown crates are a scam. Do not buy them.

DrkHunter86

SquareSausage wrote: »

The money you spend does not equate to any the right to a good item, what you are buying is a chance at receiving that item.

Thats the problem we are seeing time and time again here, people expecting to get something after spending a set amount of money.

With regard to 4 gems from 25 potions I cannot answer as I dont know the answer sorry.

What irritates me is the ridiculously low rng. Zos knowingly sets it super low so people will spend alot too get what they want. Essentially sucking money out of us. After a certain point yes you should get something good. If I go too a high end restaurant and spend 40 dollars on a dinner shouldn't I expect something good? High quality? Versus spending 8 bucks on fast food. Hopefully my points coming across. The more you spend Te more you should get. Not constantly repeating garbage of low quality that exchanges for crap. Its a flawed crate sysem built on screwing people over and sucking money out of us. I for one am done with it this game and zos as a whole. I hope this serious hurts the company both financially and in the reputation.

lagrue

DrkHunter86 wrote: »

SquareSausage wrote: »

The money you spend does not equate to any the right to a good item, what you are buying is a chance at receiving that item.

Thats the problem we are seeing time and time again here, people expecting to get something after spending a set amount of money.

With regard to 4 gems from 25 potions I cannot answer as I dont know the answer sorry.

What irritates me is the ridiculously low rng. Zos knowingly sets it super low so people will spend alot too get what they want. Essentially sucking money out of us. After a certain point yes you should get something good. If I go too a high end restaurant and spend 40 dollars on a dinner shouldn't I expect something good? High quality? Versus spending 8 bucks on fast food. Hopefully my points coming across. The more you spend Te more you should get. Not constantly repeating garbage of low quality that exchanges for crap. Its a flawed crate sysem built on screwing people over and sucking money out of us. I for one am done with it this game and zos as a whole. I hope this serious hurts the company both financially and in the reputation.

The RNG really isn't that bad....

I opened 45 crates and got 3 of the Apex Mounts (plus was able to buy one) - and I also got the 'legendary' pets that drop from it, some duplicates - but if I'm getting duplicates of super rare things, I'm not about to say RNG sucks. Is everybody's luck the same as mine? No. But the reality is that you would normally pay 5000 for a crappy motif book - whereas now you can 15 boxes of items potentially containing awesome rewards.

Pick your poison - spending 5000 on one piece of crap which you can garauntee, or spending 5000 on 15 chances at something great and 60 garaunteed "crap" items (which can also be not crap since atleast 1/4 of my 'garbage' cards actually turned out to be great rewards, I got my Red Wolf Pup and Rosy Netch just through regular, non-bonus cards.)

Even factoring out all those top rewards, I still got mounts normally valued at 1500+ and pets normally valued at 500+ - when we're talking 10s to dozens of these you really are getting more than you spend... I filled up all the rewards tiers in those 45 boxes with the exception of 2 Apex Mounts - that's it, I got everything else - and it cost me $70 during the crown sale - I'm well satisfied.

The problem is that people think this is ONLY for the Apex mounts and that they surely just have to spend all their money for one. They don't seem to realize there's tonnes of other valuable stuff in these crates... hell I have 40 experience scrolls now too - plus a handful of the 100% XP and 150% versions... that's what, 4000 crowns normally?

The value of the crates is phenomenal, it's just you have to be prepared to get some crap along the way. But when compared to other things previously sold in the store, these crates are infinitely better.

SquareSausage

The restaurant analogy is entirely different from what we have here.

You are outright buying goods from them and you know what to expect, where as with a random loot crate you do not know what is inside, you are hoping for something good but you cant ever know unless you buy it and open it.

What would be more exact would be you pay $40 on a munchy box with random food in it, it might be good, it might not be, thats the chance you take.

Yes the odds are probably quite low, but thats part of the deal, you dont buy lottery tickets and win everytime. The rewards need to be edging on exclusive to make some people want them and to keep people coming back for more.

I'm sorry you spent so many crowns and didnt get what you wanted but again thats how these things are designed, and there has been plenty info on the forums here about exactly what to expect.

i wouldnt give up the game, just take it as a lesson and don't buy anymore if thats how you feel.

DrkHunter86

SquareSausage wrote: »

The restaurant analogy is entirely different from what we have here.

You are outright buying goods from them and you know what to expect, where as with a random loot crate you do not know what is inside, you are hoping for something good but you cant ever know unless you buy it and open it.

What would be more exact would be you pay $40 on a munchy box with random food in it, it might be good, it might not be, thats the chance you take.

Yes the odds are probably quite low, but thats part of the deal, you dont buy lottery tickets and win everytime. The rewards need to be edging on exclusive to make some people want them and to keep people coming back for more.

I'm sorry you spent so many crowns and didnt get what you wanted but again thats how these things are designed, and there has been plenty info on the forums here about exactly what to expect.

i wouldnt give up the game, just take it as a lesson and don't buy anymore if thats how you feel.

SquareSausage wrote: »

The restaurant analogy is entirely different from what we have here.

You are outright buying goods from them and you know what to expect, where as with a random loot crate you do not know what is inside, you are hoping for something good but you cant ever know unless you buy it and open it.

What would be more exact would be you pay $40 on a munchy box with random food in it, it might be good, it might not be, thats the chance you take.

Yes the odds are probably quite low, but thats part of the deal, you dont buy lottery tickets and win everytime. The rewards need to be edging on exclusive to make some people want them and to keep people coming back for more.

I'm sorry you spent so many crowns and didnt get what you wanted but again thats how these things are designed, and there has been plenty info on the forums here about exactly what to expect.

i wouldnt give up the game, just take it as a lesson and don't buy anymore if thats how you feel.

Yes my analogy was bad. That said my original point was after spending that much you should at least get enough crowns for an aphex tier item. With rough.math it costs around 150 dollars too even get enough gems from that. Its pathetic. Zos is notorious for milking money out of us. Yes I know its f2p after a box buy or digital but considering the overal lack of what is in my opinion quality content and very poor support for the game since launch. This is just another crappy thing they've done. Heck again i got 4 gems from 25 potions over and over. Potions where 90% of what I got. Even the mimic stones where trash. 1 stone everytime seriously. I'm done pumping money into this game. Two years as a sub buying the dlc and extra crowns on top of which I've spent hundreds on eso and all zos does is throw trash our way. I really hate them.

Phica_Lovic

DrkHunter86 wrote: »

SquareSausage wrote: »

The restaurant analogy is entirely different from what we have here.

You are outright buying goods from them and you know what to expect, where as with a random loot crate you do not know what is inside, you are hoping for something good but you cant ever know unless you buy it and open it.

What would be more exact would be you pay $40 on a munchy box with random food in it, it might be good, it might not be, thats the chance you take.

Yes the odds are probably quite low, but thats part of the deal, you dont buy lottery tickets and win everytime. The rewards need to be edging on exclusive to make some people want them and to keep people coming back for more.

I'm sorry you spent so many crowns and didnt get what you wanted but again thats how these things are designed, and there has been plenty info on the forums here about exactly what to expect.

i wouldnt give up the game, just take it as a lesson and don't buy anymore if thats how you feel.

SquareSausage wrote: »

The restaurant analogy is entirely different from what we have here.

You are outright buying goods from them and you know what to expect, where as with a random loot crate you do not know what is inside, you are hoping for something good but you cant ever know unless you buy it and open it.

What would be more exact would be you pay $40 on a munchy box with random food in it, it might be good, it might not be, thats the chance you take.

Yes the odds are probably quite low, but thats part of the deal, you dont buy lottery tickets and win everytime. The rewards need to be edging on exclusive to make some people want them and to keep people coming back for more.

I'm sorry you spent so many crowns and didnt get what you wanted but again thats how these things are designed, and there has been plenty info on the forums here about exactly what to expect.

i wouldnt give up the game, just take it as a lesson and don't buy anymore if thats how you feel.

Yes my analogy was bad. That said my original point was after spending that much you should at least get enough crowns for an aphex tier item. With rough.math it costs around 150 dollars too even get enough gems from that. Its pathetic. Zos is notorious for milking money out of us. Yes I know its f2p after a box buy or digital but considering the overal lack of what is in my opinion quality content and very poor support for the game since launch. This is just another crappy thing they've done. Heck again i got 4 gems from 25 potions over and over. Potions where 90% of what I got. Even the mimic stones where trash. 1 stone everytime seriously. I'm done pumping money into this game. Two years as a sub buying the dlc and extra crowns on top of which I've spent hundreds on eso and all zos does is throw trash our way. I really hate them.

DrkHunter86 wrote: »

SquareSausage wrote: »

The restaurant analogy is entirely different from what we have here.

You are outright buying goods from them and you know what to expect, where as with a random loot crate you do not know what is inside, you are hoping for something good but you cant ever know unless you buy it and open it.

What would be more exact would be you pay $40 on a munchy box with random food in it, it might be good, it might not be, thats the chance you take.

Yes the odds are probably quite low, but thats part of the deal, you dont buy lottery tickets and win everytime. The rewards need to be edging on exclusive to make some people want them and to keep people coming back for more.

I'm sorry you spent so many crowns and didnt get what you wanted but again thats how these things are designed, and there has been plenty info on the forums here about exactly what to expect.

i wouldnt give up the game, just take it as a lesson and don't buy anymore if thats how you feel.

SquareSausage wrote: »

The restaurant analogy is entirely different from what we have here.

You are outright buying goods from them and you know what to expect, where as with a random loot crate you do not know what is inside, you are hoping for something good but you cant ever know unless you buy it and open it.

What would be more exact would be you pay $40 on a munchy box with random food in it, it might be good, it might not be, thats the chance you take.

Yes the odds are probably quite low, but thats part of the deal, you dont buy lottery tickets and win everytime. The rewards need to be edging on exclusive to make some people want them and to keep people coming back for more.

I'm sorry you spent so many crowns and didnt get what you wanted but again thats how these things are designed, and there has been plenty info on the forums here about exactly what to expect.

i wouldnt give up the game, just take it as a lesson and don't buy anymore if thats how you feel.

Yes my analogy was bad. That said my original point was after spending that much you should at least get enough crowns for an aphex tier item. With rough.math it costs around 150 dollars too even get enough gems from that. Its pathetic. Zos is notorious for milking money out of us. Yes I know its f2p after a box buy or digital but considering the overal lack of what is in my opinion quality content and very poor support for the game since launch. This is just another crappy thing they've done. Heck again i got 4 gems from 25 potions over and over. Potions where 90% of what I got. Even the mimic stones where trash. 1 stone everytime seriously. I'm done pumping money into this game. Two years as a sub buying the dlc and extra crowns on top of which I've spent hundreds on eso and all zos does is throw trash our way. I really hate them.

Foreword: I am not a defender of crown crates, but I am akin to using my brain.

They are gambles. Your risk is potentially getting a mount on the 1st crate, or not getting one until the 100th. (See vMA loot posts, see Witches' Fest mask posts.)

The fact that they give you ANY gems at all is nice and something they did not have to do/implement.

AND the trade value for 1 gem is the equivalent of 1 "card's" worth of loot (roughly). So, sorry dude. But, honestly, you're just crying cuz you spent $7 grand and didn't beat the dealer in Twenty-one.

DrkHunter86

Phica_Lovic wrote: »

DrkHunter86 wrote: »

Phica_Lovic wrote: »

DrkHunter86 wrote: »

SquareSausage wrote: »

The restaurant analogy is entirely different from what we have here.

You are outright buying goods from them and you know what to expect, where as with a random loot crate you do not know what is inside, you are hoping for something good but you cant ever know unless you buy it and open it.

What would be more exact would be you pay $40 on a munchy box with random food in it, it might be good, it might not be, thats the chance you take.

Yes the odds are probably quite low, but thats part of the deal, you dont buy lottery tickets and win everytime. The rewards need to be edging on exclusive to make some people want them and to keep people coming back for more.

I'm sorry you spent so many crowns and didnt get what you wanted but again thats how these things are designed, and there has been plenty info on the forums here about exactly what to expect.

i wouldnt give up the game, just take it as a lesson and don't buy anymore if thats how you feel.

SquareSausage wrote: »

The restaurant analogy is entirely different from what we have here.

You are outright buying goods from them and you know what to expect, where as with a random loot crate you do not know what is inside, you are hoping for something good but you cant ever know unless you buy it and open it.

What would be more exact would be you pay $40 on a munchy box with random food in it, it might be good, it might not be, thats the chance you take.

Yes the odds are probably quite low, but thats part of the deal, you dont buy lottery tickets and win everytime. The rewards need to be edging on exclusive to make some people want them and to keep people coming back for more.

I'm sorry you spent so many crowns and didnt get what you wanted but again thats how these things are designed, and there has been plenty info on the forums here about exactly what to expect.

i wouldnt give up the game, just take it as a lesson and don't buy anymore if thats how you feel.

Yes my analogy was bad. That said my original point was after spending that much you should at least get enough crowns for an aphex tier item. With rough.math it costs around 150 dollars too even get enough gems from that. Its pathetic. Zos is notorious for milking money out of us. Yes I know its f2p after a box buy or digital but considering the overal lack of what is in my opinion quality content and very poor support for the game since launch. This is just another crappy thing they've done. Heck again i got 4 gems from 25 potions over and over. Potions where 90% of what I got. Even the mimic stones where trash. 1 stone everytime seriously. I'm done pumping money into this game. Two years as a sub buying the dlc and extra crowns on top of which I've spent hundreds on eso and all zos does is throw trash our way. I really hate them.

DrkHunter86 wrote: »

SquareSausage wrote: »

The restaurant analogy is entirely different from what we have here.

You are outright buying goods from them and you know what to expect, where as with a random loot crate you do not know what is inside, you are hoping for something good but you cant ever know unless you buy it and open it.

What would be more exact would be you pay $40 on a munchy box with random food in it, it might be good, it might not be, thats the chance you take.

Yes the odds are probably quite low, but thats part of the deal, you dont buy lottery tickets and win everytime. The rewards need to be edging on exclusive to make some people want them and to keep people coming back for more.

I'm sorry you spent so many crowns and didnt get what you wanted but again thats how these things are designed, and there has been plenty info on the forums here about exactly what to expect.

i wouldnt give up the game, just take it as a lesson and don't buy anymore if thats how you feel.

SquareSausage wrote: »

The restaurant analogy is entirely different from what we have here.

You are outright buying goods from them and you know what to expect, where as with a random loot crate you do not know what is inside, you are hoping for something good but you cant ever know unless you buy it and open it.

What would be more exact would be you pay $40 on a munchy box with random food in it, it might be good, it might not be, thats the chance you take.

Yes the odds are probably quite low, but thats part of the deal, you dont buy lottery tickets and win everytime. The rewards need to be edging on exclusive to make some people want them and to keep people coming back for more.

I'm sorry you spent so many crowns and didnt get what you wanted but again thats how these things are designed, and there has been plenty info on the forums here about exactly what to expect.

i wouldnt give up the game, just take it as a lesson and don't buy anymore if thats how you feel.

Yes my analogy was bad. That said my original point was after spending that much you should at least get enough crowns for an aphex tier item. With rough.math it costs around 150 dollars too even get enough gems from that. Its pathetic. Zos is notorious for milking money out of us. Yes I know its f2p after a box buy or digital but considering the overal lack of what is in my opinion quality content and very poor support for the game since launch. This is just another crappy thing they've done. Heck again i got 4 gems from 25 potions over and over. Potions where 90% of what I got. Even the mimic stones where trash. 1 stone everytime seriously. I'm done pumping money into this game. Two years as a sub buying the dlc and extra crowns on top of which I've spent hundreds on eso and all zos does is throw trash our way. I really hate them.

Foreword: I am not a defender of crown crates, but I am akin to using my brain.

They are gambles. Your risk is potentially getting a mount on the 1st crate, or not getting one until the 100th. (See vMA loot posts, see Witches' Fest mask posts.)

The fact that they give you ANY gems at all is nice and something they did not have to do/implement.

AND the trade value for 1 gem is the equivalent of 1 "card's" worth of loot (roughly). So, sorry dude. But, honestly, you're just crying cuz you spent $7 grand and didn't beat the dealer in Twenty-one.

[SNIP]

[SNIP]

Ok then. Aside the fact this post has gone of course its strange too me how most people are jumping too zoses defense. They're ripping people off and yes I know buyer beware and I've learned my lesson that zos will cheat you and are not too be trusted thusly as stated before I will no longer be buying there products and have unsubbed. Those who state this is gambling yes it is too an extent. But its not full fledged online gambling as it would be banned in several states and country's. My original point was the crates are broken based on the gem conversion for potions I converted.but I tire of the almost fanboyism so many people have. And I tire if this post as well. Buy or dont buy there crap.not my care or concern if you do. The rng for boxes are crap just like it I in the real game.

Phica_Lovic

DrkHunter86 wrote: »

Phica_Lovic wrote: »

DrkHunter86 wrote: »

Phica_Lovic wrote: »

DrkHunter86 wrote: »

SquareSausage wrote: »

The restaurant analogy is entirely different from what we have here.

You are outright buying goods from them and you know what to expect, where as with a random loot crate you do not know what is inside, you are hoping for something good but you cant ever know unless you buy it and open it.

What would be more exact would be you pay $40 on a munchy box with random food in it, it might be good, it might not be, thats the chance you take.

Yes the odds are probably quite low, but thats part of the deal, you dont buy lottery tickets and win everytime. The rewards need to be edging on exclusive to make some people want them and to keep people coming back for more.

I'm sorry you spent so many crowns and didnt get what you wanted but again thats how these things are designed, and there has been plenty info on the forums here about exactly what to expect.

i wouldnt give up the game, just take it as a lesson and don't buy anymore if thats how you feel.

SquareSausage wrote: »

The restaurant analogy is entirely different from what we have here.

You are outright buying goods from them and you know what to expect, where as with a random loot crate you do not know what is inside, you are hoping for something good but you cant ever know unless you buy it and open it.

What would be more exact would be you pay $40 on a munchy box with random food in it, it might be good, it might not be, thats the chance you take.

Yes the odds are probably quite low, but thats part of the deal, you dont buy lottery tickets and win everytime. The rewards need to be edging on exclusive to make some people want them and to keep people coming back for more.

I'm sorry you spent so many crowns and didnt get what you wanted but again thats how these things are designed, and there has been plenty info on the forums here about exactly what to expect.

i wouldnt give up the game, just take it as a lesson and don't buy anymore if thats how you feel.

Yes my analogy was bad. That said my original point was after spending that much you should at least get enough crowns for an aphex tier item. With rough.math it costs around 150 dollars too even get enough gems from that. Its pathetic. Zos is notorious for milking money out of us. Yes I know its f2p after a box buy or digital but considering the overal lack of what is in my opinion quality content and very poor support for the game since launch. This is just another crappy thing they've done. Heck again i got 4 gems from 25 potions over and over. Potions where 90% of what I got. Even the mimic stones where trash. 1 stone everytime seriously. I'm done pumping money into this game. Two years as a sub buying the dlc and extra crowns on top of which I've spent hundreds on eso and all zos does is throw trash our way. I really hate them.

DrkHunter86 wrote: »

SquareSausage wrote: »

The restaurant analogy is entirely different from what we have here.

You are outright buying goods from them and you know what to expect, where as with a random loot crate you do not know what is inside, you are hoping for something good but you cant ever know unless you buy it and open it.

What would be more exact would be you pay $40 on a munchy box with random food in it, it might be good, it might not be, thats the chance you take.

Yes the odds are probably quite low, but thats part of the deal, you dont buy lottery tickets and win everytime. The rewards need to be edging on exclusive to make some people want them and to keep people coming back for more.

I'm sorry you spent so many crowns and didnt get what you wanted but again thats how these things are designed, and there has been plenty info on the forums here about exactly what to expect.

i wouldnt give up the game, just take it as a lesson and don't buy anymore if thats how you feel.

SquareSausage wrote: »

The restaurant analogy is entirely different from what we have here.

You are outright buying goods from them and you know what to expect, where as with a random loot crate you do not know what is inside, you are hoping for something good but you cant ever know unless you buy it and open it.

What would be more exact would be you pay $40 on a munchy box with random food in it, it might be good, it might not be, thats the chance you take.

Yes the odds are probably quite low, but thats part of the deal, you dont buy lottery tickets and win everytime. The rewards need to be edging on exclusive to make some people want them and to keep people coming back for more.

I'm sorry you spent so many crowns and didnt get what you wanted but again thats how these things are designed, and there has been plenty info on the forums here about exactly what to expect.

i wouldnt give up the game, just take it as a lesson and don't buy anymore if thats how you feel.

Yes my analogy was bad. That said my original point was after spending that much you should at least get enough crowns for an aphex tier item. With rough.math it costs around 150 dollars too even get enough gems from that. Its pathetic. Zos is notorious for milking money out of us. Yes I know its f2p after a box buy or digital but considering the overal lack of what is in my opinion quality content and very poor support for the game since launch. This is just another crappy thing they've done. Heck again i got 4 gems from 25 potions over and over. Potions where 90% of what I got. Even the mimic stones where trash. 1 stone everytime seriously. I'm done pumping money into this game. Two years as a sub buying the dlc and extra crowns on top of which I've spent hundreds on eso and all zos does is throw trash our way. I really hate them.

Foreword: I am not a defender of crown crates, but I am akin to using my brain.

They are gambles. Your risk is potentially getting a mount on the 1st crate, or not getting one until the 100th. (See vMA loot posts, see Witches' Fest mask posts.)

The fact that they give you ANY gems at all is nice and something they did not have to do/implement.

AND the trade value for 1 gem is the equivalent of 1 "card's" worth of loot (roughly). So, sorry dude. But, honestly, you're just crying cuz you spent $7 grand and didn't beat the dealer in Twenty-one.

And your an idiot

Great counter-point. Good talk, buddy!

Ok then. Aside the fact this post has gone of course its strange too me how most people are jumping too zoses defense. They're ripping people off and yes I know buyer beware and I've learned my lesson that zos will cheat you and are not too be trusted thusly as stated before I will no longer be buying there products and have unsubbed. Those who state this is gambling yes it is too an extent. But its not full fledged online gambling as it would be banned in several states and country's. My original point was the crates are broken based on the gem conversion for potions I converted.but I tire of the almost fanboyism so many people have. And I tire if this post as well. Buy or dont buy there crap.not my care or concern if you do. The rng for boxes are crap just like it I in the real game.

Actually, gambling in video games - in any ratio is absolutely allowed. The only gambling that is illegal is one that can return actual monetary value. So you don't really know what you're talking about. It IS full-fledged*** gambling, read your laws.


Grammar speed round: 1. off course 2. to not too (x 5 or so) 3. Zos' not Zoses 4. To not too again and again and again 5. countries not country's

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I'm also unsure how you can say words like going to the defense of ZoS and "fanboy-ism" and use ZERO (and I really mean zero) evidence for that. I was going to say something about your previous post a few month ago, but I'll leave that alone.

Just please, have a real discussion. Be open to hearing other ppl's words. Don't say ZoS' defense and fanboyz and all this other trigger word junk and not give a real, intelligent reply.

Bryanonymous

Geez, all these white knight heros explaining obvious irrelevant details from their high horse. Shill some more. Maybe they'll throw you a couple gems for your efforts.

DrkHunter86

Phica_Lovic wrote: »

DrkHunter86 wrote: »

Phica_Lovic wrote: »

DrkHunter86 wrote: »

Phica_Lovic wrote: »

DrkHunter86 wrote: »

SquareSausage wrote: »

The restaurant analogy is entirely different from what we have here.

You are outright buying goods from them and you know what to expect, where as with a random loot crate you do not know what is inside, you are hoping for something good but you cant ever know unless you buy it and open it.

What would be more exact would be you pay $40 on a munchy box with random food in it, it might be good, it might not be, thats the chance you take.

Yes the odds are probably quite low, but thats part of the deal, you dont buy lottery tickets and win everytime. The rewards need to be edging on exclusive to make some people want them and to keep people coming back for more.

I'm sorry you spent so many crowns and didnt get what you wanted but again thats how these things are designed, and there has been plenty info on the forums here about exactly what to expect.

i wouldnt give up the game, just take it as a lesson and don't buy anymore if thats how you feel.

SquareSausage wrote: »

The restaurant analogy is entirely different from what we have here.

You are outright buying goods from them and you know what to expect, where as with a random loot crate you do not know what is inside, you are hoping for something good but you cant ever know unless you buy it and open it.

What would be more exact would be you pay $40 on a munchy box with random food in it, it might be good, it might not be, thats the chance you take.

Yes the odds are probably quite low, but thats part of the deal, you dont buy lottery tickets and win everytime. The rewards need to be edging on exclusive to make some people want them and to keep people coming back for more.

I'm sorry you spent so many crowns and didnt get what you wanted but again thats how these things are designed, and there has been plenty info on the forums here about exactly what to expect.

i wouldnt give up the game, just take it as a lesson and don't buy anymore if thats how you feel.

Yes my analogy was bad. That said my original point was after spending that much you should at least get enough crowns for an aphex tier item. With rough.math it costs around 150 dollars too even get enough gems from that. Its pathetic. Zos is notorious for milking money out of us. Yes I know its f2p after a box buy or digital but considering the overal lack of what is in my opinion quality content and very poor support for the game since launch. This is just another crappy thing they've done. Heck again i got 4 gems from 25 potions over and over. Potions where 90% of what I got. Even the mimic stones where trash. 1 stone everytime seriously. I'm done pumping money into this game. Two years as a sub buying the dlc and extra crowns on top of which I've spent hundreds on eso and all zos does is throw trash our way. I really hate them.

DrkHunter86 wrote: »

SquareSausage wrote: »

The restaurant analogy is entirely different from what we have here.

You are outright buying goods from them and you know what to expect, where as with a random loot crate you do not know what is inside, you are hoping for something good but you cant ever know unless you buy it and open it.

What would be more exact would be you pay $40 on a munchy box with random food in it, it might be good, it might not be, thats the chance you take.

Yes the odds are probably quite low, but thats part of the deal, you dont buy lottery tickets and win everytime. The rewards need to be edging on exclusive to make some people want them and to keep people coming back for more.

I'm sorry you spent so many crowns and didnt get what you wanted but again thats how these things are designed, and there has been plenty info on the forums here about exactly what to expect.

i wouldnt give up the game, just take it as a lesson and don't buy anymore if thats how you feel.

SquareSausage wrote: »

The restaurant analogy is entirely different from what we have here.

You are outright buying goods from them and you know what to expect, where as with a random loot crate you do not know what is inside, you are hoping for something good but you cant ever know unless you buy it and open it.

What would be more exact would be you pay $40 on a munchy box with random food in it, it might be good, it might not be, thats the chance you take.

Yes the odds are probably quite low, but thats part of the deal, you dont buy lottery tickets and win everytime. The rewards need to be edging on exclusive to make some people want them and to keep people coming back for more.

I'm sorry you spent so many crowns and didnt get what you wanted but again thats how these things are designed, and there has been plenty info on the forums here about exactly what to expect.

i wouldnt give up the game, just take it as a lesson and don't buy anymore if thats how you feel.

Yes my analogy was bad. That said my original point was after spending that much you should at least get enough crowns for an aphex tier item. With rough.math it costs around 150 dollars too even get enough gems from that. Its pathetic. Zos is notorious for milking money out of us. Yes I know its f2p after a box buy or digital but considering the overal lack of what is in my opinion quality content and very poor support for the game since launch. This is just another crappy thing they've done. Heck again i got 4 gems from 25 potions over and over. Potions where 90% of what I got. Even the mimic stones where trash. 1 stone everytime seriously. I'm done pumping money into this game. Two years as a sub buying the dlc and extra crowns on top of which I've spent hundreds on eso and all zos does is throw trash our way. I really hate them.

Foreword: I am not a defender of crown crates, but I am akin to using my brain.

They are gambles. Your risk is potentially getting a mount on the 1st crate, or not getting one until the 100th. (See vMA loot posts, see Witches' Fest mask posts.)

The fact that they give you ANY gems at all is nice and something they did not have to do/implement.

AND the trade value for 1 gem is the equivalent of 1 "card's" worth of loot (roughly). So, sorry dude. But, honestly, you're just crying cuz you spent $7 grand and didn't beat the dealer in Twenty-one.

And your an idiot

Great counter-point. Good talk, buddy!

Ok then. Aside the fact this post has gone of course its strange too me how most people are jumping too zoses defense. They're ripping people off and yes I know buyer beware and I've learned my lesson that zos will cheat you and are not too be trusted thusly as stated before I will no longer be buying there products and have unsubbed. Those who state this is gambling yes it is too an extent. But its not full fledged online gambling as it would be banned in several states and country's. My original point was the crates are broken based on the gem conversion for potions I converted.but I tire of the almost fanboyism so many people have. And I tire if this post as well. Buy or dont buy there crap.not my care or concern if you do. The rng for boxes are crap just like it I in the real game.

Actually, gambling in video games - in any ratio is absolutely allowed. The only gambling that is illegal is one that can return actual monetary value. So you don't really know what you're talking about. It IS full-fledged*** gambling, read your laws.


Grammar speed round: 1. off course 2. to not too (x 5 or so) 3. Zos' not Zoses 4. To not too again and again and again 5. countries not country's

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I'm also unsure how you can say words like going to the defense of ZoS and "fanboy-ism" and use ZERO (and I really mean zero) evidence for that. I was going to say something about your previous post a few month ago, but I'll leave that alone.

Just please, have a real discussion. Be open to hearing other ppl's words. Don't say ZoS' defense and fanboyz and all this other trigger word junk and not give a real, intelligent reply.

I noticed when you put zos' you forgot es...so much for edumacating me. I'm on a cell phone misspelling happens. Oh and your still using real money thusly your still off. What's this about a few months ago. Oh the fan boy thing here is this. Everyone twisting my post that was 1 asking if I was correct about the gem conversion being broke (it is) 2 stating these crates are a waste of money and zos is just screwing people over with trash rng yet again as they do in the game itself. And then everyone comes in saying I'm wrong and its all a fair deal. I really dont care about the money itself. I do fairly well so 50 odd dollars isn't a big deal. Other people might not be the case. Its stupid how people who haven't seen the crates or bought one think they know anything or the people who bought some and got super lucky. Thats 1 out of dozens of people.

Phica_Lovic

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DrkHunter86

Oh I love how much this page has twisted away from the point I was making. Glad you know how too google lol

Cryptical

Crate defenders are not seeing the forest for the trees.

Imagine if a token system for vet maelstrom was made this way? Except, for an honest comparison since you can't improve anything from a crate then you can't improve your random vMA award. And you can't turn any award into tokens if you don't already have one - just like you can't turn collectibles into gems unless you already had one.

You want that sharpened inferno staff, at least purple. You run it, get a defending bow. Run again, another defending bow - get 1 token. Another 10 times gives a powered resto, precise resto, defending dagger, sharpened bow, infused great sword, and so on - no tokens. Your goal is 300 tokens for the purple, 400 for the gold.

How would that vMA grind feel, knowing you would eventually get to your goal but that guarantee only takes effect once you've gone through so many times that you've gotten most of the combinations, which only laid the groundwork so you start reliably getting tokens for duplicate awards, and THEN you had to build up 400 tokens - because you are not allowed to convert an award that you don't already have.

Just like we are not allowed to convert a collectible that we don't already have.

Crate defenders are forgetting that the vet maelstrom award is also a 'gamble'. They spend their time there, pulling that slot machine lever hoping for a sharpened this-or-that and yell for a token system.

It would be karma for them to get their system, functioning like the crate system, and hear them howl about how it still feels like an endless grind.

kylewwefan

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ZOS_PeterT

Several Posts have been removed from this thread , because they violated our Rules on Flaming and Baiting.

We understand that debates occur however, we ask that everyone keep comments constructive and avoid personal jabs.

This includes calling other users names and off topic banter.

Chrlynsch

Some say the lottery is the idiot tax...

Got 3 storm mounts, and 900 gems saved up for next season's release.

Should there be a way (if not incredibly hard) to obtain these in game? Probably.

Do I feel scammed by the crown crates. (Nope, but see line one)

ItsGlaive

ZOS_PeterT wrote: »

Several Posts have been removed from this thread , because they violated our Rules on Flaming and Baiting.

We understand that debates occur however, we ask that everyone keep comments constructive and avoid personal jabs.

This includes calling other users names and off topic banter.

Thank you. Although as always ZOS, a response to the actual topic at hand might have been more helpful?

SquareSausage

Cryptical wrote: »

Crate defenders are not seeing the forest for the trees.

No-one was defending crates here, merely stating that the OP should have been more careful with his money whilst gambling for online pixels he never won if he is the kind of person who easily gets aggravated when faced with a loss which could have been avoided by reading everyone else's horror stories.

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psychotic13

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

Saw a 'Z' on the thread and got all excited that Zos had taken their time to reply to a post from an unhappy customer. Nope, they only entered the thread to delete a few posts. That sums up their attitude to the customer base now. I wonder how quickly I would get support if I posted it was unable to buy crowns. They would be jumping on the thread acting like my best friend

Haha, I made a thread asking why crowns on Xbox were costing £32 for 5500 and on PS4/PC they were £24 and they locked it

JKorr

DrkHunter86 wrote: »

Could someone please explain how 25 potions worth 1 gem each extract for 4 gems total. I just wasted 5500 crowns on crates. Got 116 gems. Not even close too enough for 1 decent item. Therefore I now hate you yet again zos and will no longer be buying any of your products. Hope losing out on 100's of dollars I would have spent was worth the 50 yo ripped me off on.oh and my now cancelled eso plus sub.

Getting gems doesn't work on a one gem to one potion basis.

Its one to one "card's worth".

If you get a stack of 5 or 25 poisons/potions from one card, those are worth 1 gem.

Do you really think they would give anyone a one to one bottle/scroll/poison trade? The whole point of the clown crates is to keep people buying the clown crates. If they gave out gems on a 1-1 basis, people would be able to buy the item they wanted to much more quickly, thus defeating the purpose of the clown crates, which is to get you to spend as much as possible and buy as many crates as possible.

JKorr

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

Saw a 'Z' on the thread and got all excited that Zos had taken their time to reply to a post from an unhappy customer. Nope, they only entered the thread to delete a few posts. That sums up their attitude to the customer base now. I wonder how quickly I would get support if I posted it was unable to buy crowns. They would be jumping on the thread acting like my best friend

Keep in mind the moderators on the forums can pass along information to the community managers, but they have no control over anything. They can be sending all kinds of messages to the community managers or point out a thread to customer service, there is no way for us to tell how they are monitoring the general feelings on the forums. The moderators don't have any power to do anything more than moderate the forums.

If you look at some of the "I can't buy crowns" or "My character is stuck" or whatever issue it might be threads, its usually one of the community managers who reply that they need the ticket number or that the issue will be escalated to the next level of CS.

alexkdd99

DrkHunter86 wrote: »

SquareSausage wrote: »

The restaurant analogy is entirely different from what we have here.

You are outright buying goods from them and you know what to expect, where as with a random loot crate you do not know what is inside, you are hoping for something good but you cant ever know unless you buy it and open it.

What would be more exact would be you pay $40 on a munchy box with random food in it, it might be good, it might not be, thats the chance you take.

Yes the odds are probably quite low, but thats part of the deal, you dont buy lottery tickets and win everytime. The rewards need to be edging on exclusive to make some people want them and to keep people coming back for more.

I'm sorry you spent so many crowns and didnt get what you wanted but again thats how these things are designed, and there has been plenty info on the forums here about exactly what to expect.

i wouldnt give up the game, just take it as a lesson and don't buy anymore if thats how you feel.

SquareSausage wrote: »

The restaurant analogy is entirely different from what we have here.

You are outright buying goods from them and you know what to expect, where as with a random loot crate you do not know what is inside, you are hoping for something good but you cant ever know unless you buy it and open it.

What would be more exact would be you pay $40 on a munchy box with random food in it, it might be good, it might not be, thats the chance you take.

Yes the odds are probably quite low, but thats part of the deal, you dont buy lottery tickets and win everytime. The rewards need to be edging on exclusive to make some people want them and to keep people coming back for more.

I'm sorry you spent so many crowns and didnt get what you wanted but again thats how these things are designed, and there has been plenty info on the forums here about exactly what to expect.

i wouldnt give up the game, just take it as a lesson and don't buy anymore if thats how you feel.

Yes my analogy was bad. That said my original point was after spending that much you should at least get enough crowns for an aphex tier item. With rough.math it costs around 150 dollars too even get enough gems from that. Its pathetic. Zos is notorious for milking money out of us. Yes I know its f2p after a box buy or digital but considering the overal lack of what is in my opinion quality content and very poor support for the game since launch. This is just another crappy thing they've done. Heck again i got 4 gems from 25 potions over and over. Potions where 90% of what I got. Even the mimic stones where trash. 1 stone everytime seriously. I'm done pumping money into this game. Two years as a sub buying the dlc and extra crowns on top of which I've spent hundreds on eso and all zos does is throw trash our way. I really hate them.

Your math doesn't take everything into account. Like the rate of obtaining gems goes up the more crates you buy. In my own experience the rate of getting gems went up about 500% between the first 15 crates and the 2nd round of 15 crates.

I think it was perfectly clear that these contained random rewards. Doubtful that these will have a negative impact on their finances, probably the exact opposite. Don't enjoy the game anymore? Cool, have fun playing something else you do enjoy.

Btw it is common business practice for businesses to get their customers to spend as much money as possible with them. This is a main reason businesses are formed. Good luck in your adventures, here or not.

bellanca6561n

It is inarguable that this addition to the game has set members of this community against each other.

It has been so toxic in this regard that multiple threads and multiple posts within threads must deleted almost hourly at times, before and since their release.

This alone makes this the worst MMO design decision in the history of this MMO.

lagrue

bellanca6561n wrote: »

It is inarguable that this addition to the game has set members of this community against each other.

It has been so toxic-.

I hardly blame the crates, and would sooner blame the toxic communities that forums tend to breed. In case you've missed the last 2 years around here, we've always had this sort of division about other things. I really do blame the community of the forums. Of all my friends who are not typical forum users, not a single one has complained - they either didn't buy crates or they did, there was no crying and complaints - or threads about how ZOS is responsible for people's addictions and yada yada.

Forums are a place where one person complains, and everybody else follows suit. There is also always going to be more angry people on any forum, than people who are satisfied - because the people who are satisfied are often playing the game instead of praising it - whereas the opposite can be said for the complainers. That is why every game in existence has horrible forum communities.

It's a place for player's to dump all their verbal diarrhea on one another.

ItsGlaive

lagrue wrote: »

bellanca6561n wrote: »

It is inarguable that this addition to the game has set members of this community against each other.

It has been so toxic-.

I hardly blame the crates, and would sooner blame the toxic communities that forums tend to breed. In case you've missed the last 2 years around here, we've always had this sort of division about other things. I really do blame the community of the forums. Of all my friends who are not typical forum users, not a single one has complained - they either didn't buy crates or they did, there was no crying and complaints - or threads about how ZOS is responsible for people's addictions and yada yada.

Forums are a place where one person complains, and everybody else follows suit. There is also always going to be more angry people on any forum, than people who are satisfied - because the people who are satisfied are often playing the game instead of praising it - whereas the opposite can be said for the complainers. That is why every game in existence has horrible forum communities.

It's a place for player's to dump all their verbal diarrhea on one another.

A complete contrast to the typical behaviour on some other MMO forums. Say, FFXIV for example? Yep the attitude here is pretty toxic, but maybe it has been influenced or tipped that way because of the way the community has been treated over the past couple of years?