What will be the new PvP Meta

NBrookus

Biro123 wrote: »

But yeah, since 1T, I'm seeing a resurgence in magicka builds now... of all classes. So I think Magicka will be much more common - but I have a sneaking suspicion that they will make hybrids much more viable too. Perhaps the future could be magicka builds with a decent amount of stam - allowing for the odd stam skill and more resources for dodge/breakfree etc.. Or stam builds with more use of magicka utility abilities..

Because destro ult, negate and proc sets being so powerful you need more healers. Magicka is king in zergs.

My magicka DKs already run ~18k stam. My redguard magplar doesn't seem nearly as goofy when I'm having to repeatedly CC break. Ultimately tho, if you invest in stamina as a magicka user you are gimping your damage and heals, while stam builds do not need to invest in magicka.

I think if every class/spec had to make tradeoffs it would be a good thing, but the same dev team that gave us RNG proc sets that do more damage than active abilities doesn't seem to be the one that is going to make that happen.

Wreuntzylla

Didaco wrote: »

I say Magicka DKs, since they will be getting "looked at" which is usually ZOS code for "OMG BUFF THEM TILL THEY CAN ROOT AND MELT THE ACTUAL SERVER!!!"

You obviously weren't around for the two years of Templar "buffs."

The most OP class is usually the one that nobody asked ZoS to buff...

Volrion

Mag blades bombing Zergs with eye of storm/sap essence/vicious death/prox det...

I saved a video of a guy dropping 10+ people in about 6 seconds last night.

I'm either going to run; Alchemist/willpower/VD

Or Alchemist/VD/Grothdarr

Zinaroth

Stamina Templars because I have faith that ZOS will finally bring them up to par...

Kappa

WillhelmBlack

Bigger zergs.

Snit

When Wrobel says they're "Looking at" something, that is Godzilla rising from the sea. The TESO Combat Team does not tweak, they destroy. We know that they're looking at magicka/ stam balance and proc sets.

Once we sort through the wreckage, the meta will be very different. My bet is on magicka and DoT's, rather than stamina and proc-based burst. My hope is that we get away from stamina-dominance, proc-set dominance and the heavy armor meta, with more variety as the endgoal. But the only thing we know for sure is that now is a good time to hoard tempers.

Jaiden

I'm thinking there's gonna be a large shift over to raw stat builds. Heavy emphasis on main stat or weapon/spell damage increase. Gear sets like trainee, necropetance, draugr hulk will see high demand. There will still be a place for black rose as well. Damage increase sets such as stacking hundings with stuff like automaton or sword singer will probably become popular as well. I can see spinner and spriggans being highly used as well, with kragh helm or shoulder pieces. Sharpened trait will still stay on top.

cpuScientist

Jaiden wrote: »

I'm thinking there's gonna be a large shift over to raw stat builds. Heavy emphasis on main stat or weapon/spell damage increase. Gear sets like trainee, necropetance, draugr hulk will see high demand. There will still be a place for black rose as well. Damage increase sets such as stacking hundings with stuff like automaton or sword singer will probably become popular as well. I can see spinner and spriggans being highly used as well, with kragh helm or shoulder pieces. Sharpened trait will still stay on top.

Unless they either buff the other traits or nerf sharpened. But yes I see spinner and spriggan being popular, but I think it will actually be the worst choice, as if the meta does shift to magic then expect tons of shields meaning pen will be a lot less useful. I'd say go damage sets like spellweave automaton and the like....

Sallington

Their fix for Stam proc sets will be the addition of magicka procs sets to "balance" it out.

kaithuzar

I got 10 bucks on mag sorc

omgiztim

hugocbp wrote: »

I bet Spriggan's and Spinner will be the de facto "must have" sets for PvP once the active damage proc sets gets nerfed to the ground. Reducing resistances and penetration will be the biggest damage modifiers after U13.

MagPlar will be strong, specially since everyone has forgotten about Jesus Beam for a while now. They will probably forget to nerf it.

I made this change now and love it.

Metemsycosis

Hybrid dot builds.
Echoing vigor.
High aoe-damage tanks.

psychotic13

Just bin the proc sets, I don't want anything to drastic that will make all the gear I've farmed and golded out become sub-par

Qbiken

QQ and ranting will be the new meta......

oh wait......it already is

Lord-Otto

Nightblades, Wrobel's favourite child.
Can't beat instagib burst and infinite invisibility in a game which is about burst damage and re-positioning. We might see a shift from stamblade to magblade, but the Nightblade class will always be the king until fundamental game mechanics get tweaked. Always.

Sureshawt

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Nightblades, Wrobel's favourite child.
Can't beat instagib burst and infinite invisibility in a game which is about burst damage and re-positioning. We might see a shift from stamblade to magblade, but the Nightblade class will always be the king until fundamental game mechanics get tweaked. Always.

LOL...if you are losing due to 'infinite invisibility' you are doing it wrong.

There are over 15 different counters to prevent this 'infinite invisibility' you speak of, however, I will not list them to help you as you don't deserve it or any more of my time.

On topic:

There is no such thing as a meta. There is only FOTM (Flavor of the Month) which is what a most players chase because they perceive it as the most powerful. The rest of us stick with our favorite builds/playstyles and tweak/adapt as needed.

Lord-Otto

Sureshawt wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Nightblades, Wrobel's favourite child.
Can't beat instagib burst and infinite invisibility in a game which is about burst damage and re-positioning. We might see a shift from stamblade to magblade, but the Nightblade class will always be the king until fundamental game mechanics get tweaked. Always.

LOL...if you are losing due to 'infinite invisibility' you are doing it wrong.

There are over 15 different counters to prevent this 'infinite invisibility' you speak of, however, I will not list them to help you as you don't deserve it or any more of my time.

On topic:

There is no such thing as a meta. There is only FOTM (Flavor of the Month) which is what a most players chase because they perceive it as the most powerful. The rest of us stick with our favorite builds/playstyles and tweak/adapt as needed.

Yupyup, proc sets and EotS are just so fancy, not overpowered in any way. Please enlighten us a bit more, master! Tell us why we see so many Bogdan's in PvP! If we are worthy of your infinite wisdom, that is.
*facepalm*

cpuScientist

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Nightblades, Wrobel's favourite child.
Can't beat instagib burst and infinite invisibility in a game which is about burst damage and re-positioning. We might see a shift from stamblade to magblade, but the Nightblade class will always be the king until fundamental game mechanics get tweaked. Always.

There are many ways to counter these guys... WHEN you know to expect it lol. But at the end of the day I agree. They are the best gankers and they can bomb a zerg if they have the right gear skills etc, but they are usually dead in the water if they fail in their first hit. But then I'm the hands of the initiated they are fantastic even if caught. It is just safe and strong to play a NB. I think they are a problem that need to be looked at in some way, but currently they are not the biggest problem IMO.

Sureshawt

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Sureshawt wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Nightblades, Wrobel's favourite child.
Can't beat instagib burst and infinite invisibility in a game which is about burst damage and re-positioning. We might see a shift from stamblade to magblade, but the Nightblade class will always be the king until fundamental game mechanics get tweaked. Always.

LOL...if you are losing due to 'infinite invisibility' you are doing it wrong.

There are over 15 different counters to prevent this 'infinite invisibility' you speak of, however, I will not list them to help you as you don't deserve it or any more of my time.

On topic:

There is no such thing as a meta. There is only FOTM (Flavor of the Month) which is what a most players chase because they perceive it as the most powerful. The rest of us stick with our favorite builds/playstyles and tweak/adapt as needed.

Yupyup, proc sets and EotS are just so fancy, not overpowered in any way. Please enlighten us a bit more, master! Tell us why we see so many Bogdan's in PvP! If we are worthy of your infinite wisdom, that is.
*facepalm*

You mention and I even quote what you said which is 'infinite invisibility' and then you switch to Proc sets and EOTS which I didn't address and actually agree is out of control.
*facepalm*

Lord-Otto

Sureshawt wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Sureshawt wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Nightblades, Wrobel's favourite child.
Can't beat instagib burst and infinite invisibility in a game which is about burst damage and re-positioning. We might see a shift from stamblade to magblade, but the Nightblade class will always be the king until fundamental game mechanics get tweaked. Always.

LOL...if you are losing due to 'infinite invisibility' you are doing it wrong.

There are over 15 different counters to prevent this 'infinite invisibility' you speak of, however, I will not list them to help you as you don't deserve it or any more of my time.

On topic:

There is no such thing as a meta. There is only FOTM (Flavor of the Month) which is what a most players chase because they perceive it as the most powerful. The rest of us stick with our favorite builds/playstyles and tweak/adapt as needed.

Yupyup, proc sets and EotS are just so fancy, not overpowered in any way. Please enlighten us a bit more, master! Tell us why we see so many Bogdan's in PvP! If we are worthy of your infinite wisdom, that is.
*facepalm*

You mention and I even quote what you said which is 'infinite invisibility' and then you switch to Proc sets and EOTS which I didn't address and actually agree is out of control.
*facepalm*

You said there is no overpowered stuff and it's just people's perception. God, please stop embarassing yourself even more!

Lord-Otto

cpuScientist wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Nightblades, Wrobel's favourite child.
Can't beat instagib burst and infinite invisibility in a game which is about burst damage and re-positioning. We might see a shift from stamblade to magblade, but the Nightblade class will always be the king until fundamental game mechanics get tweaked. Always.

There are many ways to counter these guys... WHEN you know to expect it lol. But at the end of the day I agree. They are the best gankers and they can bomb a zerg if they have the right gear skills etc, but they are usually dead in the water if they fail in their first hit. But then I'm the hands of the initiated they are fantastic even if caught. It is just safe and strong to play a NB. I think they are a problem that need to be looked at in some way, but currently they are not the biggest problem IMO.

The way cloak doesn't punish them is unfair, I think. You can pull them out, but that is usually something done by weakening your build or time-limited/unreliable. If I compare that to Streak which ZOS just don't stop nerfing, I feel sour. However, I think breaking cloak with snipe or gapclosers is BS.

I suggest cloak either stopping your regen, becoming more expensive with consecutive casts, or not working in LoS.
I prefer the last one. I always found it odd that NBs can escape in open field. If they had to break LoS first, it would make them re-consider engaging. It makes more sense, is fairer, and it doesn't cripple them that much, as they should be sticking to obstacles, anyway.

Crom_CCCXVI

META is already a Magika DK with a destro.

Which makes me sad, because I played that class for well over a year- now every copy cat fool is running around Cyrodil with a Destro build.


I don't know why anyone is theory crafting, 95% of the people in Cyrodil have one of like 3 builds.
As long as Viper procs every 4 sec's, that isn't going anywhere- and as long as a Fire Destro hits for 10K per second, that is going anywhere either.