Can a wizard heal with resto staff as good as a templar can

BossXV

Like the question above, I have a friend rocking a wizard, trying to figure out what he wants his back bar to be. So 2 questions, can he use a restoration staff and be a great healer,

and what would you rec emend for a wizard back bar

thanks

KochDerDamonen

It's called a sorcerer, for one.

You can heal pretty much anything as any class so long as you put together a good kit for it. Some people might complain because you don't have shards(spell with a synergy that restores stamina, but really it's not necessary unless their sustain is bad. The actual healing part is easy enough with Restoration Staff spells.

Resto staff is a good off-bar for a magicka sorcerer in solo play and pvp, and reasonable in group pve though they'd probably be better off with two destruction staves or dualwield for spell damage in that situation.

Really if the answer to this question was a mystery, you and your friend are in a position where y'all should just play the game and have fun til you get higher up in levels and such.

redspecter23

Can a sorc heal as well as a Templar? It's comparable. However, there is very little that can replace the functionality of repentance and shards. A sorc can heal all day long, possibly even with more sustain than a templar and that part is fine, but when the time comes to help with party resources, they will be lacking. It's up to you whether your current group composition can work without that utility.

Eiagra

I'm a Templar, but I'll sometimes add Restoration skills to my lineup if I'm playing pure healer.

As I understand it, you can layer Grand Healing and its morphs. It's short (3-4 seconds depending on morph), but if you can sustain some layering, you'll have a number of pulses going out for good overall healing-per-second.

I'm guessing Mutagen can serve in a clutch as a quasi-Breath-of-Life. In my case, I stick to BoL for emergencies and use Mutagen for more passive healing.

I'm rather fond of the Panacea morph Life Giver, though your mileage may vary.

The key is juggling sustain/recharging Magicka with heavy attacks with keeping up the heals. That's what I've learned so far anyway.

Don't worry if it's not THE most effective thing. Just do your best. Experiment and see what works for you. If anyone gives you grief over it, tell them to pike off. You're figuring things out. :P

Jsmalls

If you can keep your twilight alive and build your character correctly, you can very much heal as well as a Templar.

Shards for stamina recovery is nice though which we have no answer for.

Loc2262

Can he use a resto staff? Sure. Can he be a healer? Of course. Would that be a "great" healer? Depends on your definition.

Opinions differ, but in my opinion, in a trinity group setup, it's the healer's task to also give stamina and magicka resources back to the tank and DDs, and buff them and debuff the bosses. Especially the DDs would otherwise have to sacrifice a good deal of damage to improve sustain.

And that means a templar is the best overall class. They can use a resto staff (springs, mutagen, combat), destro staff (elemental drain), have a great "oh sh*t" heal (Breath of Life) and HoT improvement (Extended Ritual), they give back stamina (shards, repentance) and magicka (orbs).

Patouf

Not really, because no major mending and no utility skill like shard, repent, breath of life and light power. Moreover, Sorc needs pet in each bar and there is a lot of skills to cast as a healer : spirit siph', elemental drain, orbs, healing spring, combat prayer, etc...

JKith

I'm not familiar with Sorc skill line,.. but if there isn't a Sorc equivalent to the below list, then utility for the group will be severely hindered healing as a Sorc.

1: Rez players at full stats: Yes, it's not ideal to most people, but Healers do have to rez sometimes and it's way better to have one come back with full stats.

2: Stamina on demand: I give the Tank and stamina DPS shards every 6-10sec when I heal (part of my rotation), and giving them the opportunity to gain resources.... in demanding content is really really really helpful.

3: Cleansing on demand: For fights that require cleansing/purify (Cradle of Shadows comes to mind), it's such a huge help... HUGE!

4: Free heal/stamina On trash mobs or when there are adds, repentance is amazing... FREE no resource heal plus gives boatload of stamina to group.

runagate

It's a little disconcerting to see people posting here as if "Orbs" was a Templar skill.

It is an Undaunted skill. Anyone can have it.

Also, DKs have major mending. Ask anyone who has fought one

In fact, I ran a Trinimac group damage shielding build with Replenishing Barrier on my DK. Don't need to heal as much when there's a crapload of damage shield coating all the characters. Lets them not worry about one-shot mechanics as much. Inhale for magicka management and self-heal standing right in the middle of the fight, using Talons to hold em all still and chains to group them.

There are other ways to compose a group. The important part is making the pieces fit and be powerful. Shards are largely irrelevant when the tank has high sustain and the DDs are magicka.

idk

BossXV wrote: »

Like the question above, I have a friend rocking a wizard, trying to figure out what he wants his back bar to be. So 2 questions, can he use a restoration staff and be a great healer,

and what would you rec emend for a wizard back bar

thanks

Assuming you mean a Sorc. Sorcs can heal pretty good. All 4 classes can. A twilight morph can heal 2 people with solid heals similar to BoL, as long as the twilight has not died. The main drawback is the sorc cannot provide sizable stamina to the tank and stam dps which is the main reason the Templar is desired with more challenging content. The Sorc can still be viable in trials as the second healer, though they will probably need to deliver more support in other areas.

Basically, healers are not simply healing just as a tank is not simply taunting. Both classes provide additional support in a good group via buffs and debuffs.

MornaBaine

My Sorc is Destro/Resto staff. I find in dungeons that Resto staff can come in damn handy for a few reasons:

If you, like me, tend to stand in stupid.

If you, like me, tend to get too far away from the healer who needs to be keeping the tank up and the big scary boss off squishy you.

If, as sometimes happens, your group's healer is just bad. Fights take longer if you're healing along with dishing the DPS but at least you can get through with a less than perfect healer that way.

Then there are the odd times it comes in handy... like the dungeon where the final bosses are 3 big ol Dwemer constructs in red blue and green... and you have to take down greenie (I believe) first but Big Red is also chasing everyone around and one shotting you. So I pop my Resto staff and lure Big Red out away from the party and just make him chase me, constantly healing myself so the real healer can keep the tank and the other DPS on Greenie, THEN come slaughter Big Red before we all then move on to Blue Boy. Without a Resto staff no way could I have done that.

In short, you'll find PLENTY of occasions where you will be damn glad to have a Resto Staff as a Sorc... and your party probably will too.

Xoelarasizerer

For random normal dungeons, it can work.

But if you wanna roll on Veteran dungeons or Trials, you'll be more accepted if you can bring everything with you to the table as a healer. And simply put, the Templar Healer can bring everything. The Sorcerer Healer can bring some things, usually enough for normal. But probably not enough for Veteran.

WillhelmBlack

Wizards don't die.

SHADOW2KK

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Wizards don't die.

KochDerDamonen

Xoelarasizerer wrote: »

For random normal dungeons, it can work.

But if you wanna roll on Veteran dungeons or Trials, you'll be more accepted if you can bring everything with you to the table as a healer. And simply put, the Templar Healer can bring everything. The Sorcerer Healer can bring some things, usually enough for normal. But probably not enough for Veteran.

Plenty for veteran, most people I encounter while healing don't even use my shards. sometimes I stop using repentance just to see if they have sustain issues (well, the stamina dps mostly)
Plus now the Master resto staff is cp160 and the Rkugamz sets exist if someone really cries about their stamina. I've even worn Hircine before as a half-solution half-pissoff.

Trials is the real animal, like someone said above another class would probably slide as the secondary healer but one's always gonna be templar.

Rev Rielle

Restoration Staff has Major Mending buff upon completion of a heavy attack. Siphon Spirit is also very useful. Combat Prayer: Wonderful. Wards are loosely your 'Breath of Life' like oh my god skill; protecting someone that really needs it, in turn giving you time to Combat Prayer them or the like. Healing Springs/Illustrious Healing are both wonderful. Regeneration (and it's morphs) are really the only skill that isn't that great, and even so it can be still very useful to use in some situations/builds.

Yes, you can be an excellent healer, playing a class that is not a templar. And that's just using Restoration Staff skills, not taking into account any class support skills, builds etc etc.

The time Templars really shine, is when you're in a group that jumps about/moves all over the place and/or is otherwise spread out and needs a lot of immediate healing ((like when some PvPers play PvE and still move about like nutters unnecessarily)). And if players are dependent upon your for their stamina (e.g. repentance/shards) that's their own fault for the most part for not being prepared well enough for a random group.

So, hardly anyone will think twice about it if you're a non-templar healer. And if they do it's a reflection of their inability to think outside the square.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

This far into a healing discussion about non-templars and no one has brought up the Master restoration Staff or the sentinel of rekugums set, both of which provide stam back to the group, giving they are competent enough to stay in your healing springs or move to where the dwarves spider happens to spawn at.

Now are either of these replacements for shards or repentance? No. But they did a great job, better then nothing at least.

Now as a primary healer, you need to have SPC. You can match the aforementioned Master resto with the sentinel of rekugums set and willpower, you will be a great healer then.

RAGUNAnoOne

Resto is more for sustained heals but can be viable for trials since it is mostly healing springs and the shield can help save your arse. for smaller groups you may have issues and will need to rely on the twilight. the tough part is the mending buff Templars get major mending easily through ritual skills and for sorcs they will have to heavy attack to get it for 3 seconds so that skews viability a bit...

Tasear

You mention the sentinel of rekugums set and the master restoration staff, but you have forgotten a few things. First we are the only class giving 10% regain with empowered ward which means if you are a mage or magicka user you really are wasting yourself with a Templar as support.

Also we don't die ... we rez the rest of the group while bird jesus distracts the boss for a moment. Why because that shield though not as strong of the other is super powerful at 15k. Now only that you get 8% increase in health, but using it.

*Special note to our healing ult that also takes care of bad stuff negate magicka.

Is it it unconventional sure, but is any less than the templar class no, but the templar ego is so much stronger so be warned.

*For veteran 4 man content the split at this moment goes like this out ever 10 healer you see 5 Templars 4 sorcs and 1 nightblade... I know you exist dk healers but I seen 2 of you in 12 months (fight harder for your existence).

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Tasear wrote: »

You mention the sentinel of rekugums set and the master restoration staff, but you have forgotten a few things. First we are the only class giving 10% regain with empowered ward which means if you are a mage or magicka user you really are wasting yourself with a Templar as support.

Also we don't die ... we rez the rest of the group while bird jesus distracts the boss for a moment. Why because that shield though not as strong of the other is super powerful at 15k. Now only that you get 8% increase in health, but using it.

*Special note to our healing ult that also takes care of bad stuff negate magicka.

Is it it unconventional sure, but is any less than the templar class no, but the templar ego is so much stronger so be warned.

*For veteran 4 man content the split at this moment goes like this out ever 10 healer you see 5 Templars 4 sorcs and 1 nightblade... I know you exist dk healers but I seen 2 of you in 12 months (fight harder for your existence).

I did not forget about them, I simply was not taking about magic, just stam regen, which is 95% of the reason people prefer templars. The magic regen you speak of is nothing. Most magic dps are only running with like 800 to 1k regen. They will not really notice the extra regen. The best ways to give magic back to the group, those being eledrain, spirit syphon and, my favorite, mystic orbs, are available to everyone and every healer needs to be running them or at least have them available for use.

The major mending that some people have mentioned, while nice, is simply not needed. With cp and a properly build toon, with the sets I have mentioned, the heals will be big enough. Especially if you use the matriarch or the bird Jesus as you put it. Without major mending, my mutagen hits for around 3k crits on my sorc. The matriarch hits for around 13k non crits, more then enough.

newtinmpls

Twilight matriarch - the healing morph.

Heckuva healer and really good at irritating the heck out of bosses.

Tasear

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

You mention the sentinel of rekugums set and the master restoration staff, but you have forgotten a few things. First we are the only class giving 10% regain with empowered ward which means if you are a mage or magicka user you really are wasting yourself with a Templar as support.

Also we don't die ... we rez the rest of the group while bird jesus distracts the boss for a moment. Why because that shield though not as strong of the other is super powerful at 15k. Now only that you get 8% increase in health, but using it.

*Special note to our healing ult that also takes care of bad stuff negate magicka.

Is it it unconventional sure, but is any less than the templar class no, but the templar ego is so much stronger so be warned.

*For veteran 4 man content the split at this moment goes like this out ever 10 healer you see 5 Templars 4 sorcs and 1 nightblade... I know you exist dk healers but I seen 2 of you in 12 months (fight harder for your existence).

I did not forget about them, I simply was not taking about magic, just stam regen, which is 95% of the reason people prefer templars. The magic regen you speak of is nothing. Most magic dps are only running with like 800 to 1k regen. They will not really notice the extra regen. The best ways to give magic back to the group, those being eledrain, spirit syphon and, my favorite, mystic orbs, are available to everyone and every healer needs to be running them or at least have them available for use.

The major mending that some people have mentioned, while nice, is simply not needed. With cp and a properly build toon, with the sets I have mentioned, the heals will be big enough. Especially if you use the matriarch or the bird Jesus as you put it. Without major mending, my mutagen hits for around 3k crits on my sorc. The matriarch hits for around 13k non crits, more then enough.

I see the light!

Dear developers make changes to empowered ward . How about make it 30%?

KochDerDamonen

[SNIp]

Seriously it still makes me scream internally when I see "tank" used interchangeably for "Dragonknight", and "healer" for "Templar". Wizard for Sorcerer is a new one, but at least it's not the name of a role

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newtinmpls

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Seriously it still makes me scream internally when I see "tank" used interchangeably for "Dragonknight"

Weird.

Both my DK's are magika based dunmer and do DDS not taking. Love to take one out with my spouse's DK dunmer. Between AoE, lockdowns and proc'ing Valkyn Scoria, it's pretty fun

xaraan

Players used to love Templar because Breath of Life was like an easy heal for standing in red, but Sorc actually has the pet heal which is arguably better now that Templar's breath has been nerfed.

Now however, the biggest thing that gives templar the edge isn't healing health, but stamina with shards and repentance. With the nerfs to how stam regen/blocking is handled and how many dd's are stam now it's hard to replace that and you can notice a huge difference not having a templar in a group if you are used to having access to those abilities.

Dubhliam

NEW CLASS WIZARD CONFIRMED!

THE HYPE!!!

OT: Sorcerer is IMO the worst healer.
Templar is by far the best healing class.
The second choice would be Nightblade, followed by a Dragonknight.

Sorcerer has no Class skills that will help you heal apart from a healing Ultimate and a subpar healing pet.
Imagine the situation: Hey guys, can you stop DPSing the boss, he's just about to enrage, but my Ultimate is not up yet, and my pet only seems to heal one person in three second intervals.

FoolishHuman

The problem is that people who play random dungeons look at builds made for organized trial groups, where the best thing to do is give up all your stamina regeneration for those few percent extra damage. And now so many people are totally dependant on shards, even though they could just as well take care of their own regen.
Shards is the one thing other healers can't give, everything else it doesn't matter which class you heal with if you have a good build.
Of course if you get a magicka tank and/or magicka damage dealers, it won't matter at all what class you heal with.

IlCanis_LupuslI

redspecter23 wrote: »

Can a sorc heal as well as a Templar? It's comparable. However, there is very little that can replace the functionality of repentance and shards. A sorc can heal all day long, possibly even with more sustain than a templar and that part is fine, but when the time comes to help with party resources, they will be lacking. It's up to you whether your current group composition can work without that utility.

Not to mention 25% less healing becausw sorcs lack rune fokus or extended rirual and the passives it comes with....

IlCanis_LupuslI

xaraan wrote: »

Players used to love Templar because Breath of Life was like an easy heal for standing in red, but Sorc actually has the pet heal which is arguably better now that Templar's breath has been nerfed.

Now however, the biggest thing that gives templar the edge isn't healing health, but stamina with shards and repentance. With the nerfs to how stam regen/blocking is handled and how many dd's are stam now it's hard to replace that and you can notice a huge difference not having a templar in a group if you are used to having access to those abilities.

On my templar healer Ive had 35k bol crits against low health tanks.... I really doubt pet heals can beat that.....

Iselin

You can heal any normal dungeon at any level with any magicka-built class and just 3 resto staff skills. Will you be the best healer? No, Templars are.

Vet dungeons and trials are a different thing altogether and if you're not a Templar you're going to need the right gear and some harder to get skills (PVP, Undaunted, etc.) to try to compensate for what you're missing. Even then your healing will be less per second.

IlCanis_LupuslI

redspecter23 wrote: »

Can a sorc heal as well as a Templar? It's comparable. However, there is very little that can replace the functionality of repentance and shards. A sorc can heal all day long, possibly even with more sustain than a templar and that part is fine, but when the time comes to help with party resources, they will be lacking. It's up to you whether your current group composition can work without that utility.

Substain= yeahsssno( rune focus lacking), 25% less heals unless you do a heavy attack after every 1.5 seks, no healing ultimate, no shards, no repentance, also with rune focus lacking a sorc is very vounerable unless he keeps shielding( and in higher content there a no time for that as a healer),

Why does someone want to abuse a awesome range dps class as a healer anyway????