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Ignorence is bliss, Meta vs Tryhards (same)
Shokasegambit1
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As long as I can remember, there has been a back and forth between players and developers on the subject of game exploits bugs, and true balance. ( Meta )
I’ve seen people defend it, of course, but a lot of those defenses don’t hold a whole lot of weight. Yes, the developers should have fixed exploits, bugs, balance in updates before they went live, but that’s what makes it a mistake instead of a design feature. No, no one should develop game mechanics so tedious that you feel the urge to automate and exploit them, but being meta player doesn’t seem like the proper way of addressing that problem. At the same time, if the developers have left in something that makes the game absurdly easy like finding bugs in sets, or using unbalanced toons then its a go for the tryhard.
And speaking of (Tryhard) thats what i compare these players too. As with many things like this, It's a two pronged issues. The intended use of the insult, and the actual use of the insult.
1) Tryhard as a actual insult is used to reference someone who places the value of being "Good" at a game or activity over the enjoyment of actually doing said activity. For example, we all know that "One guy" who plays games WAY to aggressively cause he just has to win. Being competitive in any game and playing with friends, and you put all your skills, into bugs, exploits, abilities and play unbalanced toons to play look cool and CRUSH PLAYERS BENEATH YOUR IRON FIST. Sure, you won... but nobody enjoyed it, because they are not at your skill level or in fear of looking lika bad player thus being exposed. All you did was shame and embarrass yourself and your friends becuase you and them need the reputation (in game) instead of playing causally (not using exploits meta) and let a few points get scored, showing your better, but not dominating to humiliation.
2) How it gets USED however as with many insults is by people who come into PVP and are upset that they can't preform as well as the people who play more than others and put care into their hobby to be the best they can at it. "Shocker". These people get crushed in the proper context but then try to mock by saying that the person just has no life because they spent the time getting good at the game.
Edited by Shokasegambit1 on November 17, 2016 12:48PM I’ve seen people defend it, of course, but a lot of those defenses don’t hold a whole lot of weight. Yes, the developers should have fixed exploits, bugs, balance in updates before they went live, but that’s what makes it a mistake instead of a design feature. No, no one should develop game mechanics so tedious that you feel the urge to automate and exploit them, but being meta player doesn’t seem like the proper way of addressing that problem. At the same time, if the developers have left in something that makes the game absurdly easy like finding bugs in sets, or using unbalanced toons then its a go for the tryhard.
And speaking of (Tryhard) thats what i compare these players too. As with many things like this, It's a two pronged issues. The intended use of the insult, and the actual use of the insult.
1) Tryhard as a actual insult is used to reference someone who places the value of being "Good" at a game or activity over the enjoyment of actually doing said activity. For example, we all know that "One guy" who plays games WAY to aggressively cause he just has to win. Being competitive in any game and playing with friends, and you put all your skills, into bugs, exploits, abilities and play unbalanced toons to play look cool and CRUSH PLAYERS BENEATH YOUR IRON FIST. Sure, you won... but nobody enjoyed it, because they are not at your skill level or in fear of looking lika bad player thus being exposed. All you did was shame and embarrass yourself and your friends becuase you and them need the reputation (in game) instead of playing causally (not using exploits meta) and let a few points get scored, showing your better, but not dominating to humiliation.
2) How it gets USED however as with many insults is by people who come into PVP and are upset that they can't preform as well as the people who play more than others and put care into their hobby to be the best they can at it. "Shocker". These people get crushed in the proper context but then try to mock by saying that the person just has no life because they spent the time getting good at the game.
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FriedEggSandwich✭✭✭✭✭
✭Tryhard is an insult, casual is an insult. There you have it. Did I contribute to this thread? Who knows.PC | EU
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SublimeSparo✭✭✭✭✭Nerf sorc shields?
Invoke Godwins law quickly this thread might not make it on it's own steam?
#BaffledPS4 EU CP900. PS4 NA CP600,
vAA HM ☆ vHRC HM ☆ vSO HM ☆ vMOL
4th Console vMOL clear,
vMA cleared on all classes stam & magic
My TribeEU
High Sparo - Altmer - mSo DD.
Wood Sparo - Bosmer - sNB DD
Nord Sparo - Nord -sDK DD/Tank.
Bubble Girl - Imperial -sTe DD
Succubus Sue - Breton - mNB Tank.
Andrana Stormlock - Altmer - mTe Healer/ DD
Elvali Marvani - Dunmer - mDK DD.
Venemus Draconem - Redguard - sDK DD
Jayri Leki - Redguard - sSo DD.
Miss Jabsalot - Altmer - mTe PvP DD/ Tank
Mireli Hlaano - Dunmer - mNB DD.
Ms Shanks - Redguard - sNB DD/ le bank
NA
Dilemma Dame - Altmer - mDK DD
Stamsorc Kitty - Redguard - sSor DD
Aia Draconis - Imperial - sDK Tank
Decides-Who-Lives - Argonian - mTe Healer
You wont stop me - Altmer - mSo DD
Stab in the dark - Khajiit - sNB DD
Jabjabjab Beambeambeam - Dunmer - mTe DD
Spatium Auxiliarus - Imperial - hTe Tank&bank
Spectre - Altmer - mNB DD
Can't-Main-Tank -Argonian - sDK offTank -
Woeler✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Deal. With. It. Kappa.
Oh and "ignorance is bliss" is onyl said by the ignorant to justify ignorence. Ignorance is what it is, ignorance.Edited by Woeler on November 17, 2016 6:04AMAuthor of the esoleaderboards.com project | Maintainer of the ESORaidplanner.com project
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Elder_Martin✭✭✭MoeCoastie wrote: »
Stop being ignorant.I am the real Mudcrab Merchant.
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SublimeSparo✭✭✭✭✭MoeCoastie wrote: »
Yes it does.
It's kind of like saying of saying;
"It doesn't matter that you lost, It's not the winning, it's taking part that counts" is only said by losers to justify losing. Losing is what it is, losing.
Which makes sense and is a true statement.
Whether you philosophically agree with the premise is a different matter entirely.
Being ignorant of something might make you happy, but could also cause sadness, but due to being ignorant of the cause you'd never know, therefore being informed is technically the better option as even if something makes you unhappy you are at least aware of it and can take steps to remedy it.
/latenightrandomrantPS4 EU CP900. PS4 NA CP600,
vAA HM ☆ vHRC HM ☆ vSO HM ☆ vMOL
4th Console vMOL clear,
vMA cleared on all classes stam & magic
My TribeEU
High Sparo - Altmer - mSo DD.
Wood Sparo - Bosmer - sNB DD
Nord Sparo - Nord -sDK DD/Tank.
Bubble Girl - Imperial -sTe DD
Succubus Sue - Breton - mNB Tank.
Andrana Stormlock - Altmer - mTe Healer/ DD
Elvali Marvani - Dunmer - mDK DD.
Venemus Draconem - Redguard - sDK DD
Jayri Leki - Redguard - sSo DD.
Miss Jabsalot - Altmer - mTe PvP DD/ Tank
Mireli Hlaano - Dunmer - mNB DD.
Ms Shanks - Redguard - sNB DD/ le bank
NA
Dilemma Dame - Altmer - mDK DD
Stamsorc Kitty - Redguard - sSor DD
Aia Draconis - Imperial - sDK Tank
Decides-Who-Lives - Argonian - mTe Healer
You wont stop me - Altmer - mSo DD
Stab in the dark - Khajiit - sNB DD
Jabjabjab Beambeambeam - Dunmer - mTe DD
Spatium Auxiliarus - Imperial - hTe Tank&bank
Spectre - Altmer - mNB DD
Can't-Main-Tank -Argonian - sDK offTank -
SublimeSparo✭✭✭✭✭So what exactly was the point of this thread again?
Something about Green eggs and ham.
Or metaphysics.
Maybe both, or neither, who really knowsPS4 EU CP900. PS4 NA CP600,
vAA HM ☆ vHRC HM ☆ vSO HM ☆ vMOL
4th Console vMOL clear,
vMA cleared on all classes stam & magic
My TribeEU
High Sparo - Altmer - mSo DD.
Wood Sparo - Bosmer - sNB DD
Nord Sparo - Nord -sDK DD/Tank.
Bubble Girl - Imperial -sTe DD
Succubus Sue - Breton - mNB Tank.
Andrana Stormlock - Altmer - mTe Healer/ DD
Elvali Marvani - Dunmer - mDK DD.
Venemus Draconem - Redguard - sDK DD
Jayri Leki - Redguard - sSo DD.
Miss Jabsalot - Altmer - mTe PvP DD/ Tank
Mireli Hlaano - Dunmer - mNB DD.
Ms Shanks - Redguard - sNB DD/ le bank
NA
Dilemma Dame - Altmer - mDK DD
Stamsorc Kitty - Redguard - sSor DD
Aia Draconis - Imperial - sDK Tank
Decides-Who-Lives - Argonian - mTe Healer
You wont stop me - Altmer - mSo DD
Stab in the dark - Khajiit - sNB DD
Jabjabjab Beambeambeam - Dunmer - mTe DD
Spatium Auxiliarus - Imperial - hTe Tank&bank
Spectre - Altmer - mNB DD
Can't-Main-Tank -Argonian - sDK offTank -
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✭✭✭✭✭Cheeseey Proctatoes . Destro Dorks . Tank Turds or "Floaters" if mist form tank . We have all sorts of great names here . When did Tryhard make a comeback ? -
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I have made a terrible mistake entering this troll's denIf you quote someone, and intend for them to see what you have said, be sure to Mention them with @[insert name]. -
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✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Cheeseey Proctatoes . Destro Dorks . Tank Turds or "Floaters" if mist form tank . We have all sorts of great names here . When did Tryhard make a comeback ?
@Rohamad_Ali This just made me laugh out loud in public!Edited by Jim_Pipp on November 17, 2016 8:38AM#1 tip (Re)check your graphics settings periodically - especially resolution. -
Shokasegambit1✭✭✭✭Psychology 1 Exposed (Cheese) Players 0. Please keep keep making fun of this post. Im excited to see who is next.Edited by Shokasegambit1 on November 17, 2016 12:31PM
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✭✭✭✭✭FriedEggSandwich wrote: »Tryhard is an insult, casual is an insult. There you have it. Did I contribute to this thread? Who knows.
Neither is an insult.
What's insulting is how badly you and so many others missed the point by a mile. -
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✭✭some people play to win, some people play to participate. neither is right or wrong.
some people will tell you the only point of an mmo is pvp. others will tell you the only point is end-game content, raids and such. and others will tell you its about exploring the game world and the things in it. again, none of those is right or wrong.
but it's the internet. so personal opinion is presented as indisputable fact.pc eu eso+
paraphrasing soren kierkegaard.... when we look at the forum all we can do is laugh. -
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✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »Tryhard is an insult, casual is an insult. There you have it. Did I contribute to this thread? Who knows.
Neither is an insult.
What's insulting is how badly you and so many others missed the point by a mile.
So enlighten us. What is the point of this thread?
Because what it looks like to me, is that the OP suddenly came to the obvious realisation that the meaning and use of certain words change over the course of time, followed by him explaining this change specifically concerning the word 'tryhard'.
Now my question ís: Who asked for this knowledge? What does it contribute?
I'm just like:
Edited by Dymence on November 17, 2016 1:21PM
