Burning Spellweave vs Silks of the Sun - Help inside!

teladoy

Hello everyone,

i need some help with my experiment, i want to to make my Dunmer Dragon Knight very oriented to do Flame Damage, I would like to do something for pve and something else for pvp. I was thinking in some of the sets above in the title and combine them with skoria or Grothdarr, but i'm not sure if it is the right decision. I put also some other sets that sounds interesting as well.

Maybe you can not recommend me any of these sets, so i'm open to hear other opinions.

Thanks for your help guys!



Burning Spellweave Set
LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160
(2 items) Adds 967 Max Magicka
(3 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(4 items) Adds 688 Spell Critical
(5 items) When you deal damage with a Flame Damage ability, you have a 20% chance to apply the burning status effect to the enemy and gain 600 Spell Damage for 8 seconds. This effect can occur once every 12 seconds.

Silks of the Sun
(2 items) Adds 1064 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 967 Max Magicka
(4 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(5 items) Adds 400 Spell Damage to your Flame Damage abilities.

Elf Bane
(2 items) Adds 967 Max Magicka
(3 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(4 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(5 items) Increases duration of your Flame Damage abilities by 2 seconds.

Vicious Death
(2 Items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(3 Items) Adds 967 Maximum Magicka
(4 Items) Adds 688 Spell Critical
(5 items) When you kill a player they violently explode for 16605 Flame Damage to all other enemies in a 4 meter radius.

Mojmir

TBS and spellweaver for pve.

Prabooo

I am experimenting with using burning spellweave&silks of the sun 5/5 with Valkyn Skoria in 1st dual wield bar for pvp (2nd bar destro staff precise), I am waiting for all impen but could only farm 2 items with that trait so far. It makes very good dps, good sustain while using elemental drain as return mag skill, all enchants spell dmg, swords dual wield (in my case 1 precise (burning) and one powered (silks). It kicks ass nicely.

Vaoh

Let me help you out here

Here is the BiS (Best in Slot) PvE DPS build for Magicka Dragonknights in One Tamriel:

2x Grothdarr
• Heavy Helm
• Medium Shoulders
• Divines traits, Max Magicka glyphs

5x Burning Spellweave
• Light Robe
• Light Gloves
• Light Belt
• Light Pants
• Light Shoes
• Divines traits, Max Magicka glyphs

4x Infallible Aether/Moondancer
• Necklace
• Ring 1
• Ring 2
• Inferno Staff
• Arcane jewelry traits, Spell Damage glyphs
• Sharpened weapon traits, Increase Spell Power enchant

1x The Maelstrom's Inferno Staff
• Inferno Staff
• Sharpened trait, Crushing Wall enchant

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Here are the alternative sets to run for PvE DPS:

2x Valkyn Skoria
• Heavy Helm
• Medium Shoulders
• Divines traits, Max Magicka glyphs

5x Twice-Born Star/Julianos/Mother's Sorrow
• Light Robe
• Light Gloves
• Light Belt
• Light Pants
• Light Shoes
• Divines traits, Max Magicka glyphs

3x Willpower
• Necklace
• Ring 1
• Ring 2
• Arcane jewelry traits, Spell Damage glyphs

1x Non-set Inferno Staff
• Inferno Staff
• Sharpened trait, Spell Power enchant

1x Non-set Inferno Staff
• Inferno Staff
• Sharpened trait, Spell Power enchant

---

Notes:
- Grothdarr outperforms Valkyn Skoria, though Valkyn Skoria's health bonus is nice
- Simply put, Burning Spellweave is BiS for Magicka DK. Beats everything else.
- 4x Infallible Aether/Moondancer with 1x Maelstrom Inferno Detro is BiS on all Magicka builds. The best replacement is to use 3x Willpower jewelry and random staves until you get what you need.

For PvP you have much more flexibility! Even here, Burning Spellweave is a clear successor to Silks of the Sun. Remember that PvP is all about burst, and Mag DKs fight by pressuring via DoTs then blasting opponents with a bursty attack like Meteor+Fossilize. Not only will Burning Spellweave inflict a status effect (unique "Burning" effect) on your enemy - it will also increase your Spell Damage to tremedous numbers for your Meteor drops/Whips.

If you PvP on Mag DK, you should absolutely slot this set as it's stronger than Silks of the Sun.

Sharee

Vaoh wrote: »

For PvP you have much more flexibility! Even here, Burning Spellweave is a clear successor to Silks of the Sun. Remember that PvP is all about burst, and Mag DKs fight by pressuring via DoTs then blasting opponents with a bursty attack like Meteor+Fossilize. Not only will Burning Spellweave inflict a status effect (unique "Burning" effect) on your enemy - it will also increase your Spell Damage to tremedous numbers for your Meteor drops/Whips.

So it's different than the "normal" burning status effect that sometimes procs from doing regular fire damage? Interesting.

Prabooo

Sharee wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

For PvP you have much more flexibility! Even here, Burning Spellweave is a clear successor to Silks of the Sun. Remember that PvP is all about burst, and Mag DKs fight by pressuring via DoTs then blasting opponents with a bursty attack like Meteor+Fossilize. Not only will Burning Spellweave inflict a status effect (unique "Burning" effect) on your enemy - it will also increase your Spell Damage to tremedous numbers for your Meteor drops/Whips.

So it's different than the "normal" burning status effect that sometimes procs from doing regular fire damage? Interesting.

It is that same status as regular fire damage. Also, combining silks of the sun jewelry (3) and 2 armor pieces, with 3 burning spellweave armor pieces and dual wield swords (for the extra 5% spell damage) in the first bar (5) to proc, buff and rebuff your fire attacks.

Prabooo

Vaoh wrote: »

Notes:
- Grothdarr outperforms Valkyn Skoria, though Valkyn Skoria's health bonus is nice

I agree to this for PvE, not for PvP (specially 1v1)

Prabooo

Prabooo wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

For PvP you have much more flexibility! Even here, Burning Spellweave is a clear successor to Silks of the Sun. Remember that PvP is all about burst, and Mag DKs fight by pressuring via DoTs then blasting opponents with a bursty attack like Meteor+Fossilize. Not only will Burning Spellweave inflict a status effect (unique "Burning" effect) on your enemy - it will also increase your Spell Damage to tremedous numbers for your Meteor drops/Whips.

So it's different than the "normal" burning status effect that sometimes procs from doing regular fire damage? Interesting.

It is that same status as regular fire damage. Also, consider combining silks of the sun jewelry (3) and 2 armor pieces, with 3 burning spellweave armor pieces and dual wield swords (for the extra 5% spell damage) in the first bar (5) to proc, buff and rebuff your fire attacks.

agegarton

I think the answer, as is so often that he case, depends on your play style. My own view is that Silks of the Sun is easiest to play, as you get that buff on every flame skill, which if you're going for a fire-based build, is pretty fantastic. Given the DK's poor self heal options when compared to other classes, the health buff is very helpful too.

Im currently using Silks with Valkyn head and shoulders. This seems to work really well. I'm using "any other" set for mag buffs - currently 4pc Phoenix (just because I had it) but I am considering switching to Vicious Death so that I only have to swap out one pc to go between PVE and PVP. I'd potentially drop the Valkyn shoulder for a Vicious shoulder in pvp - I do sometching similar with my mag sorc and that works well. If so, I might just swap the Valkyn head for a Molag for PVP - so, ok, maybe 2 swaps!

It's not a well tested build yet, for me, but I'm pretty new to the Mag DK, so I'm playing with stuff to try it out. One thing I would say is that if you're going to play with your build to get it right & get comfortable, go with options that aren't too difficult to grind or buy.

And always remember, it's a game. Don't take it too seriously.

Derra

@Vaoh

You might want to add 5bsw jewelry + swords (backbar); 5 tbs; 2 grothdarr to the pve department of your post - as that´s atleast in theory bis (i have not met any DK who has farmed sharpened + precise bsw swords).

Prabooo

precise BSW swords are a very rare drop, I almost cried when my powered one dropped

teladoy

Prabooo wrote: »

I am experimenting with using burning spellweave&silks of the sun 5/5 with Valkyn Skoria in 1st dual wield bar for pvp (2nd bar destro staff precise), I am waiting for all impen but could only farm 2 items with that trait so far. It makes very good dps, good sustain while using elemental drain as return mag skill, all enchants spell dmg, swords dual wield (in my case 1 precise (burning) and one powered (silks). It kicks ass nicely.

I was thinking in this combination, but then i tought that I may lose regen or something if i go to extreme in flame damage.

Vaoh

Derra wrote: »

@Vaoh

You might want to add 5bsw jewelry + swords (backbar); 5 tbs; 2 grothdarr to the pve department of your post - as that´s atleast in theory bis (i have not met any DK who has farmed sharpened + precise bsw swords).

@Derra

I'd rather not.... it might give someone incentive to farm those swords. I'm not a cruel person

The RNG is probably worse than if you intended to get double sharpened vMA Inferno staves.

Lexxypwns

For PVP BSW jewels + waist and glove + heavy grothdarr + 3 heavy seducer w/ snb. Good damage and sustain, but you're still missing out on effective native healing so you probably have to run resto for healing ward.

edit: Its worth noting that BSW is about 270 spell damage more than sun because its damage gets buffed by major sorcery while sun doesn't

Derra

Vaoh wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

@Vaoh

You might want to add 5bsw jewelry + swords (backbar); 5 tbs; 2 grothdarr to the pve department of your post - as that´s atleast in theory bis (i have not met any DK who has farmed sharpened + precise bsw swords).

@Derra

I'd rather not.... it might give someone incentive to farm those swords. I'm not a cruel person

The RNG is probably worse than if you intended to get double sharpened vMA Inferno staves.

I´ve gotten two sharpened swords while farming the sharpened inferno staff of that set. Sadly i´ll probably never use them and our lovely developers decided that for some reason it would be smart to have dungeon gear be bop.

Nidro

How you guys manage to get 65%+ crit Chance? i only get that with a precise weapon..

dont wanna run around on my mag dk with just 59% crit, using tbs, 3x aether ,grothdarr right now. vmsa staffs sharpened

P3ZZL3

Derra wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

@Vaoh

You might want to add 5bsw jewelry + swords (backbar); 5 tbs; 2 grothdarr to the pve department of your post - as that´s atleast in theory bis (i have not met any DK who has farmed sharpened + precise bsw swords).

@Derra

I'd rather not.... it might give someone incentive to farm those swords. I'm not a cruel person

The RNG is probably worse than if you intended to get double sharpened vMA Inferno staves.

I´ve gotten two sharpened swords while farming the sharpened inferno staff of that set. Sadly i´ll probably never use them and our lovely developers decided that for some reason it would be smart to have dungeon gear be bop.

@Derra - what toon where you running with to get those sharpened swords?

Adenoma

I spent about a day and got a sharpened inferno staff and a sharpened mace, so I'm set in the 1h category.

Jjitsuboy98

Why not both burning spell weave and Sun set?

Rohamad_Ali

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

Why not both burning spell weave and Sun set?

Contrary to popular belief , not all the Majic attacks are fire based from DK , so base Majic damage with a monster set is just as good if not better .

logiikz214

So I keep reading for a AOE/DOT dps you have to equip heavy helm, medium shoulder and 5 light armor pieces why is that?

logiikz214

Vaoh wrote: »

Let me help you out here

Here is the BiS (Best in Slot) PvE DPS build for Magicka Dragonknights in One Tamriel:

2x Grothdarr
• Heavy Helm
• Medium Shoulders
• Divines traits, Max Magicka glyphs

5x Burning Spellweave
• Light Robe
• Light Gloves
• Light Belt
• Light Pants
• Light Shoes
• Divines traits, Max Magicka glyphs

4x Infallible Aether/Moondancer
• Necklace
• Ring 1
• Ring 2
• Inferno Staff
• Arcane jewelry traits, Spell Damage glyphs
• Sharpened weapon traits, Increase Spell Power enchant

1x The Maelstrom's Inferno Staff
• Inferno Staff
• Sharpened trait, Crushing Wall enchant

---

Here are the alternative sets to run for PvE DPS:

2x Valkyn Skoria
• Heavy Helm
• Medium Shoulders
• Divines traits, Max Magicka glyphs

5x Twice-Born Star/Julianos/Mother's Sorrow
• Light Robe
• Light Gloves
• Light Belt
• Light Pants
• Light Shoes
• Divines traits, Max Magicka glyphs

3x Willpower
• Necklace
• Ring 1
• Ring 2
• Arcane jewelry traits, Spell Damage glyphs

1x Non-set Inferno Staff
• Inferno Staff
• Sharpened trait, Spell Power enchant

1x Non-set Inferno Staff
• Inferno Staff
• Sharpened trait, Spell Power enchant

why is it that we need a heavy helm and medium shoulders and the rest light armor?

Tryxus

logiikz214 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Let me help you out here

Here is the BiS (Best in Slot) PvE DPS build for Magicka Dragonknights in One Tamriel:

2x Grothdarr
• Heavy Helm
• Medium Shoulders
• Divines traits, Max Magicka glyphs

5x Burning Spellweave
• Light Robe
• Light Gloves
• Light Belt
• Light Pants
• Light Shoes
• Divines traits, Max Magicka glyphs

4x Infallible Aether/Moondancer
• Necklace
• Ring 1
• Ring 2
• Inferno Staff
• Arcane jewelry traits, Spell Damage glyphs
• Sharpened weapon traits, Increase Spell Power enchant

1x The Maelstrom's Inferno Staff
• Inferno Staff
• Sharpened trait, Crushing Wall enchant

---

Here are the alternative sets to run for PvE DPS:

2x Valkyn Skoria
• Heavy Helm
• Medium Shoulders
• Divines traits, Max Magicka glyphs

5x Twice-Born Star/Julianos/Mother's Sorrow
• Light Robe
• Light Gloves
• Light Belt
• Light Pants
• Light Shoes
• Divines traits, Max Magicka glyphs

3x Willpower
• Necklace
• Ring 1
• Ring 2
• Arcane jewelry traits, Spell Damage glyphs

1x Non-set Inferno Staff
• Inferno Staff
• Sharpened trait, Spell Power enchant

1x Non-set Inferno Staff
• Inferno Staff
• Sharpened trait, Spell Power enchant

why is it that we need a heavy helm and medium shoulders and the rest light armor?

For the Undaunted Passive, Undaunted Mettle, which increases our Magicka, HP and Stam by 2% for each armor type we wear.

So if we wear a 5pc Light Armor Set, we get the full bonus from the Light Armor Passives. And with 1 piece of the other armors, Heavy and Medium, we get 6% extra resources

xblackroxe

Tryxus wrote: »

logiikz214 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Let me help you out here

Here is the BiS (Best in Slot) PvE DPS build for Magicka Dragonknights in One Tamriel:

2x Grothdarr
• Heavy Helm
• Medium Shoulders
• Divines traits, Max Magicka glyphs

5x Burning Spellweave
• Light Robe
• Light Gloves
• Light Belt
• Light Pants
• Light Shoes
• Divines traits, Max Magicka glyphs

4x Infallible Aether/Moondancer
• Necklace
• Ring 1
• Ring 2
• Inferno Staff
• Arcane jewelry traits, Spell Damage glyphs
• Sharpened weapon traits, Increase Spell Power enchant

1x The Maelstrom's Inferno Staff
• Inferno Staff
• Sharpened trait, Crushing Wall enchant

---

Here are the alternative sets to run for PvE DPS:

2x Valkyn Skoria
• Heavy Helm
• Medium Shoulders
• Divines traits, Max Magicka glyphs

5x Twice-Born Star/Julianos/Mother's Sorrow
• Light Robe
• Light Gloves
• Light Belt
• Light Pants
• Light Shoes
• Divines traits, Max Magicka glyphs

3x Willpower
• Necklace
• Ring 1
• Ring 2
• Arcane jewelry traits, Spell Damage glyphs

1x Non-set Inferno Staff
• Inferno Staff
• Sharpened trait, Spell Power enchant

1x Non-set Inferno Staff
• Inferno Staff
• Sharpened trait, Spell Power enchant

why is it that we need a heavy helm and medium shoulders and the rest light armor?

For the Undaunted Passive, Undaunted Mettle, which increases our Magicka, HP and Stam by 2% for each armor type we wear.

So if we wear a 5pc Light Armor Set, we get the full bonus from the Light Armor Passives. And with 1 piece of the other armors, Heavy and Medium, we get 6% extra resources

4% extra as you get 2% at least anyways

Armitas

Elf Born would have to be hard tested. The extra dot timer wouldn't give you more damage directly, but it does mean you can get more whips in before you have to recast your dots. So your dot dps stays the same but your whip dps will increase.

Jaronking

Lexxypwns wrote: »

For PVP BSW jewels + waist and glove + heavy grothdarr + 3 heavy seducer w/ snb. Good damage and sustain, but you're still missing out on effective native healing so you probably have to run resto for healing ward.

edit: Its worth noting that BSW is about 270 spell damage more than sun because its damage gets buffed by major sorcery while sun doesn't

I always wondered this but wasn't sure if someone purge the burning affect off of them would you lose the spell damage bonus @Lexxypwns ?Am making a DK and have spell weave but not sure if it be worth it be easier to just get silk.

mb10

Do whatever you're comfortable with and what suits your play style.

I've seen people claim "BiS" but BiS for what? Because it looks like nothing but damage to me.

Little to no sustain of resources or survivability.

Izaki

Vaoh wrote: »

Let me help you out here

Here is the BiS (Best in Slot) PvE DPS build for Magicka Dragonknights in One Tamriel:

2x Grothdarr
• Heavy Helm
• Medium Shoulders
• Divines traits, Max Magicka glyphs

5x Burning Spellweave
• Light Robe
• Light Gloves
• Light Belt
• Light Pants
• Light Shoes
• Divines traits, Max Magicka glyphs

4x Infallible Aether/Moondancer
• Necklace
• Ring 1
• Ring 2
• Inferno Staff
• Arcane jewelry traits, Spell Damage glyphs
• Sharpened weapon traits, Increase Spell Power enchant

1x The Maelstrom's Inferno Staff
• Inferno Staff
• Sharpened trait, Crushing Wall enchant

---

Here are the alternative sets to run for PvE DPS:

2x Valkyn Skoria
• Heavy Helm
• Medium Shoulders
• Divines traits, Max Magicka glyphs

5x Twice-Born Star/Julianos/Mother's Sorrow
• Light Robe
• Light Gloves
• Light Belt
• Light Pants
• Light Shoes
• Divines traits, Max Magicka glyphs

3x Willpower
• Necklace
• Ring 1
• Ring 2
• Arcane jewelry traits, Spell Damage glyphs

1x Non-set Inferno Staff
• Inferno Staff
• Sharpened trait, Spell Power enchant

1x Non-set Inferno Staff
• Inferno Staff
• Sharpened trait, Spell Power enchant

---

Notes:
- Grothdarr outperforms Valkyn Skoria, though Valkyn Skoria's health bonus is nice
- Simply put, Burning Spellweave is BiS for Magicka DK. Beats everything else.
- 4x Infallible Aether/Moondancer with 1x Maelstrom Inferno Detro is BiS on all Magicka builds. The best replacement is to use 3x Willpower jewelry and random staves until you get what you need.

For PvP you have much more flexibility! Even here, Burning Spellweave is a clear successor to Silks of the Sun. Remember that PvP is all about burst, and Mag DKs fight by pressuring via DoTs then blasting opponents with a bursty attack like Meteor+Fossilize. Not only will Burning Spellweave inflict a status effect (unique "Burning" effect) on your enemy - it will also increase your Spell Damage to tremedous numbers for your Meteor drops/Whips.

If you PvP on Mag DK, you should absolutely slot this set as it's stronger than Silks of the Sun.

Just adding on to this, burning spellweave is best in slot for magicka sorcs too.

xblackroxe

Jaronking wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

For PVP BSW jewels + waist and glove + heavy grothdarr + 3 heavy seducer w/ snb. Good damage and sustain, but you're still missing out on effective native healing so you probably have to run resto for healing ward.

edit: Its worth noting that BSW is about 270 spell damage more than sun because its damage gets buffed by major sorcery while sun doesn't

I always wondered this but wasn't sure if someone purge the burning affect off of them would you lose the spell damage bonus @Lexxypwns ?Am making a DK and have spell weave but not sure if it be worth it be easier to just get silk.

No the damage increase is not bound to the burning proc. The 5-pc proc just guarantees you the burning to apply in addition to the sd increase.

xblackroxe

mb10 wrote: »

Do whatever you're comfortable with and what suits your play style.

I've seen people claim "BiS" but BiS for what? Because it looks like nothing but damage to me.

Little to no sustain of resources or survivability.

Thx for that comment. Really helpful to what the op wanted to know.

Most people even gave information about for what content which gear is bis.

For pve for example you dont need to build for sustain cause you have a healer for that. Thats why you can go full damage without having to worry about your sustain.
For pvp thats not true ofc so pvp builds are a completely different topic.

logiikz214

For the Undaunted Passive, Undaunted Mettle, which increases our Magicka, HP and Stam by 2% for each armor type we wear.

So if we wear a 5pc Light Armor Set, we get the full bonus from the Light Armor Passives. And with 1 piece of the other armors, Heavy and Medium, we get 6% extra resources

Ah ok yeah I figured why not go full light if you are magick dps. Thanks for clarifying that because Deltia made a video about a fire dps and said to use a heavy helm, medium shoulders and everything else light but I don't think he said why.