What about racial ultimate?

ArchMikem

ESO: Night Eye: For 10 seconds, gives +30% spell critical and weapon critical values and +50% critical strike damage.

I use my Ultimates for damage, not temporary buffs. Then again, I can already see that being incredibly abused by Khajiit Nightblade Gankers.

bellanca6561n

I enjoy Dunmers and could easily imagine something like...

Air of Ludicrous Superiority

All n'wah within 8 meters suffer 842 flame damage per second for 6 seconds, doubling every 0.5 seconds....to their ears.

Ghettokid

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Ghettokid wrote: »

I totally agree that there should be racial ultis. But everytime I see someone saying that it would be cool to add them into game, there comes some people who start whining "then some race is better than other"

I mean seriously who the **** cares if some race is little bit better than other.

Not to mention, you have to give up your Ultimate slot to even use these "Advantage". Who would give up their Meteor/Dawnbreaker for magic/stamina regen in a competitive setting?

Oh sorry. I forgot that everyone wants to follow meta and nobody likes to do unique builds.

glavius

My god so many bad ideas here. 50% crit dmg (gankers are quite powerful already) , and blocking all dungeon progress if no high elf in group. No, just NO!!!!

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Ghettokid wrote: »

I totally agree that there should be racial ultis. But everytime I see someone saying that it would be cool to add them into game, there comes some people who start whining "then some race is better than other"

I mean seriously who the **** cares if some race is little bit better than other.

Not to mention, you have to give up your Ultimate slot to even use these "Advantage". Who would give up their Meteor/Dawnbreaker for magic/stamina regen in a competitive setting?

This. Unless the top half dozen ultimates were nerfed no one would use them in Cyrodiil (can't speak for trials and such) unless these too became super powered as well.

For example, should I stop using my 20k meteor that also increases my total magic pool, or my 70k soul assault that I use to magic shotgun proc set users ... to summon a bear?

If it's a bear that does 10k damage a second to anyone within 20 meters for 20 seconds and also has 250k HP then I'd consider it.

Alucardo

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

When Argonians find out Nords can shoot ice, Dark Elves summon spirit ancestors, Bretons absorb magic spells, and they get access to water breathing when you can't swim in ESO

Argonians had a Health Regen Ultimate
Bretons had a shield akin to Annualment
Khajiit had a REALLY crappy Nighteye ultimate that did absolutely nothing (probably why they scrapped racial ultimates honestly)
Altmer had Magic regen
Redguard had Stamina regen
Dunmer could summon an Ancestral Spirit
Bosmer could summon a bear

Nords and Orcs ultimate I can't remember
Imperial weren't around for Racial Ultimates.

These would actually make pretty decent racial ultimates. I'd maybe give Khajiit a bonus to melee damage for a short period of time or something. Something tells me Night Eye would not be very useful in ESO.

Silver_Strider

Ghettokid wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Ghettokid wrote: »

I totally agree that there should be racial ultis. But everytime I see someone saying that it would be cool to add them into game, there comes some people who start whining "then some race is better than other"

I mean seriously who the **** cares if some race is little bit better than other.

Not to mention, you have to give up your Ultimate slot to even use these "Advantage". Who would give up their Meteor/Dawnbreaker for magic/stamina regen in a competitive setting?

Oh sorry. I forgot that everyone wants to follow meta and nobody likes to do unique builds.

Oh yeah, put words in my mouth. If I cared about competitiveness, I wouldn't be an Argonian. Try harder kid.

I am merely stating that giving up your Ultimate slot for a super charged passive doesn't seem like the smartest thing to do when infinitely better Ultimates exist.

Asardes

I think that racial powers should not actually be part of the general play, but more like a personality:
- Altmer adopts an air of superiority, sneering at PCs and NPCs of other races
- Bosmer enrage when PCs around them pick flowers because they break the Green Pact
- Orsimer pound their chests and flex their muscles, to make Moloch proud
- Dunmer look down on Argonian PCs and NPC, and show them the cotton saltrice fields
- Bretons start crying and whining for no apparent reason
- Khajiit lift their paws in surrender and rock their heads from side to side whenever a guard is nearby
- Argonians erect a random spine, depending on the situation
- Imperials nostalgically look down on their former subjects, remembering the good old days
- Nords look nauseated after all that cheap mead drinking (drunk personality + strange meat)

CaptainVenom

glavius wrote: »

My god so many bad ideas here. 50% crit dmg (gankers are quite powerful already) , and blocking all dungeon progress if no high elf in group. No, just NO!!!!

Those were merely an example for a possible racial ultimate, not asking for an overpowered ultimate, just giving ideas for new ultimate abilities in the future. It's quite obvious it would need balancing.

Ghettokid

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Ghettokid wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Ghettokid wrote: »

I totally agree that there should be racial ultis. But everytime I see someone saying that it would be cool to add them into game, there comes some people who start whining "then some race is better than other"

I mean seriously who the **** cares if some race is little bit better than other.

Not to mention, you have to give up your Ultimate slot to even use these "Advantage". Who would give up their Meteor/Dawnbreaker for magic/stamina regen in a competitive setting?

Oh sorry. I forgot that everyone wants to follow meta and nobody likes to do unique builds.

Oh yeah, put words in my mouth. If I cared about competitiveness, I wouldn't be an Argonian. Try harder kid.

I am merely stating that giving up your Ultimate slot for a super charged passive doesn't seem like the smartest thing to do when infinitely better Ultimates exist.

I didnt try to be offensive...

Just said how the things are.

SickDuck

Ghettokid wrote: »

I mean seriously who the **** cares if some race is little bit better than other.

Like all who are playing trials or any end-game pve/pvp? And that little difference is already not that little.

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Not to mention, you have to give up your Ultimate slot to even use these "Advantage". Who would give up their Meteor/Dawnbreaker for magic/stamina regen in a competitive setting?

So the reasoning is to have something that noone wants/uses in the end anyway?

Silver_Strider

SickDuck wrote: »

Ghettokid wrote: »

I mean seriously who the **** cares if some race is little bit better than other.

Like all who are playing trials or any end-game pve/pvp? And that little difference is already not that little.

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Not to mention, you have to give up your Ultimate slot to even use these "Advantage". Who would give up their Meteor/Dawnbreaker for magic/stamina regen in a competitive setting?

So the reasoning is to have something that noone wants/uses in the end anyway?

It's more that they wouldn't negatively impact the game if they were reintroduced than anything. They are largely useless for most everything but more options never hurt anyone either.

Silver_Strider

Ghettokid wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Ghettokid wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Ghettokid wrote: »

I totally agree that there should be racial ultis. But everytime I see someone saying that it would be cool to add them into game, there comes some people who start whining "then some race is better than other"

I mean seriously who the **** cares if some race is little bit better than other.

Not to mention, you have to give up your Ultimate slot to even use these "Advantage". Who would give up their Meteor/Dawnbreaker for magic/stamina regen in a competitive setting?

Oh sorry. I forgot that everyone wants to follow meta and nobody likes to do unique builds.

Oh yeah, put words in my mouth. If I cared about competitiveness, I wouldn't be an Argonian. Try harder kid.

I am merely stating that giving up your Ultimate slot for a super charged passive doesn't seem like the smartest thing to do when infinitely better Ultimates exist.

I didnt try to be offensive...

Just said how the things are.

Alright, my mistake.

Pirhana7_ESO

Kinda a bad idea because who ever has the best ultimate would be the race everyone uses. They would have to made very situational and for specific builds

DaveMoeDee

SickDuck wrote: »

Please no. If anything make race choice less important apart from appearance and RP. Race change costs irl money and already quite expensive.

Agreed. I am not a fan of the suggestion.

Anti_Virus

For orcs how about:

Berserker rage: gain major berserk and major protection for 10 secs.

[Edit]

Argonians, Hist skin: gain major vitality, and increases HP regen by 200% for ten secs

Redguard, Adrenaline rush: increases stam regen by 50% reduces the cost of break free by 60%

Breton, dragon skin: increases spell reistance by 18K for ten seconds, while active magicka dmg abilities restore magicka equal to 3% of your max magicka can only proc one every 3 seconds. Lasts 10 secs

Khajiit, Nights eye: grants major expedition( plus minor expedition if in stealth) and major force for ten seconds.

Altmer, Highborn: increases magicka recovery by 100%, reduces the cost of spells by 10%

Bosmer, Command animal: summon and animal to aid you in battle for 10 secs, both you and your pet gain minor berserk for 10 secs.

Nord, Battle cry: roar with ferocity, causing all enemies around you to flee in fear, feared ememies ( after recovering) take 20% addtional dmg and gain major maim for 10 secs.

Dunmer, ancestral wrath: Summon and flame shield around you, you take 50% less dmg from flame dmg ( 10% against all other magical dmg) and heal your self every 3 sec for 2% of your max stat ( which ever is higher) while active you deal x amount of flame dmg every 2 secs.

Imperial, voice of the emperor: call upon akatosh as a septim would and grant you and your allies, major force, savagery, prophecy and mending for 10 secs.
The caster gains less threat.

PS4_ZeColmeia

Code2501 wrote: »

Not keen on racial "ultimate" but it would be interesting to see racial passives that morph to enable more lore friendly variety. E.g. orc could spec as either forge master or berserker but not both. The former providing some craft related passive and the latter a combat passive to 2h.

I really like this idea. I like the idea of having an "ultimate" in the sense it specs your character more. It could be simple as a carebear spec, and a combat spec, but maybe improves the CP gain on that stat with some other little bonus that benefits both. My example would be with Khajiit:

If you had a khajiit at 50, you could choose to be a "shade walker" (random thought on name) which would give a 10% higher return on magicka and stamina per CP than previously returned, and this opens up a level 1-10 shade walker skill line which grants a passive that would allow 1-10% of stamina regen rate to be regened while moving in stealth or could be all regen while in stealth is increased by 20%.

Nothing game breaking, but would be fun and good improvements to racial picks. Like your forge master could be improves your chances to upgrade material by 1-12.5% less upgrade resource as a carebear upgrade.

AzuraKin

no on having racial ultimates, and no active racials have not always been a part of elder scrolls, active racials were introduced in chapter 3, not chapter 1.

KimoBitz

These Ults need to be implemented into the game

Enslaved

Necro ultimate?

Milvan

Racial ultimate makes no sense. No race in Tamriel have inherit special combat abilities that make use for a ultimate.

Hand_Bacon

I can appreciate the idea, but I can't say I'm in favor of more ultimates atm.

I'd much rather see something like "personal attributes" added. Where you choose 3 or so from a list. They could be anything from personality traits to general backstory. They could give a 1% bonus to this or that, maybe a passive similar to "treasure hunter" in the CP tree. Just something for more diversity.

idk

Jamini wrote: »

Before we even think about racial ultimates there needs to be some alternatives so races aren't locked into specific play-styles.

There needs to be a reason someone would want to play Magicka user as Khajiit or stamina as Breton.

@Jamini

I've seen a wood elf play as magika DD in one of the top guilds on my server.

Is it their best character, probably not but they can pull the required dps.

Strider_Roshin

The more ZOS creates, the more ZOS breaks. And if they try to bring in anything remotely similar to Skyrim, Orcs are going to be incredibly OP.

Jamini

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Jamini wrote: »

Before we even think about racial ultimates there needs to be some alternatives so races aren't locked into specific play-styles.

There needs to be a reason someone would want to play Magicka user as Khajiit or stamina as Breton.

@Jamini

I've seen a wood elf play as magika DD in one of the top guilds on my server.

Is it their best character, probably not but they can pull the required dps.

@Giles.floydub17_ESO

Fair point. Such an attitude isn't terribly common however.

theher0not

I don't like it. IMO the game already have way too imoactfull racials, this would only worsen the situation and I see no benefit from it.

mvffins

I would be up for more unique racial passives like they added in a previous patch,

- Bosmer could half fall damage
- Dunmer could half lava damage
- Argonians could half slaughterfish damage
- Khajiit could cut down enemy line of sight

Imperials/Altmer/Bretons/Nords get something crappy cause they already are slightly stronger

starkerealm

Silver_Strider wrote: »

I recall that there was Racial Ultimates back in the early stages Beta but were removed for balancing issues of some sort.

I only recall the Bosmer Ultimate as a 100 costing Ultimate that would summon a Bear companion to fight alongside you.

The Khajjiti one was a version of Eye of Terror, as I recall.

Leandor

I don't like the idea of racial passives. So far, you have 4 classes with 3 ultimates each. They have gotten this mostly right.

Now imagine racial passives. They would need to balance 3×4×10=120 unique combinations that depend on the initial choice of character.

It may have worked if it would have been in from release, but to do this now, is just a cash grab on race change tokens. Also, I must admit that I doubt that this could be successfully balanced.

ArgonianAustin

Huh? Argonians racial is health recovery, see my post about argonians needing 20% health recovery makes sense. The ultimate would scale nicely.