Define: "Casual"

Sigtric

I'm casually hardcore.


/shrug

maxetro

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Really, show some parses or achievements on your alleged stamsorc or other dds who are capable of pulling 20 odd k dps, cos I dont buy it.

Here you go. I dont really have time or will for doing parses, but achievments should be enough, I think.

SHADOW2KK

maxetro wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Really, show some parses or achievements on your alleged stamsorc or other dds who are capable of pulling 20 odd k dps, cos I dont buy it.

Here you go. I dont really have time or will for doing parses, but achievments should be enough, I think.

Respects

Mush55

Any one with a wife and kids.......................

newtinmpls

lordrichter wrote: »

Right now, I am reveling in an activity that is blessed by the creators of the game: mindlessly farming bosses for world sets.

But are you having fun doing it?

If so - yippie

If not - (for me) then I go do something else.

newtinmpls

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Question if you dont mind.
Woudl you rather spend all your time repeatedly farming one set (with no time to do any other content)....or
Spend all your time experimenting with 100s of different set combinations (while still playing all content) until you found one you like and played well with ?

I'll take option 2 please!!

Jeremy

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Afafrenferr wrote: »

This should be fun! Define what you think a casual player is... as in... what content you have to complete to not be a casual, amount of time in game daily/weekly, player ability, or whatever arbitrary standards you set for "casuals".

Also, let us know whether you think you are casual or not. Try not to be rude! Stick with forum rules!

There is no need to be arbitrary. These words are already defined.

To do something casually in the context of playing an MMORPG means that you do it irregularly. Casual players are not players who stay committed long-term to the game - but take frequent or long breaks. This is why companies often do away with subscription fees (which require a commitment) when trying to appeal to more casual players.

Player skill or their own individual ability as a gamer has nothing to do with it.

Just because you make up a definition on the fly does not mean it's a universally accepted definition. Sorry, But I've been playing since Beta, I am a casual and I don't do vet content or trials and only rarely pvp. I play for enjoyment not competition.

I did not make up this definition on the fly...

When used as a noun a casual is (according Webster not me):

NOUN

1.a person who does something irregularly:

"a number of casuals became regular customers"

Even the most hardcore of gamers are not always playing the game to be competitive. Sometimes they play just to have fun as well. The difference is that a hardcore gamer is more active and committed to the game where as casual players aren't.

For example: if someone plays this game 10 hours a day every day they aren't casual ESO gamers no matter how badly they play their characters or avoid veteran content.

jedtb16_ESO

Jeremy wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Afafrenferr wrote: »

This should be fun! Define what you think a casual player is... as in... what content you have to complete to not be a casual, amount of time in game daily/weekly, player ability, or whatever arbitrary standards you set for "casuals".

Also, let us know whether you think you are casual or not. Try not to be rude! Stick with forum rules!

There is no need to be arbitrary. These words are already defined.

To do something casually in the context of playing an MMORPG means that you do it irregularly. Casual players are not players who stay committed long-term to the game - but take frequent or long breaks. This is why companies often do away with subscription fees (which require a commitment) when trying to appeal to more casual players.

Player skill or their own individual ability as a gamer has nothing to do with it.

Just because you make up a definition on the fly does not mean it's a universally accepted definition. Sorry, But I've been playing since Beta, I am a casual and I don't do vet content or trials and only rarely pvp. I play for enjoyment not competition.

I did not make up this definition on the fly...

When used as a noun a casual is (according Webster not me):

NOUN

1.a person who does something irregularly:

"a number of casuals became regular customers"

Even the most hardcore of gamers are not always playing the game to be competitive. Sometimes they play just to have fun as well. The difference is that a hardcore gamer is more active and committed to the game where as casual players aren't.

For example: if someone plays this game 10 hours a day every day they aren't casual ESO gamers no matter how badly they play their characters or avoid veteran content.

isn't it more about attitude?

i have come across players dedicated to hitting the leader boards that play less than i do. they consider themselves hardcore and i am sure i am casual in that i could not give a flying **** about leader boards.

Jeremy

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Afafrenferr wrote: »

This should be fun! Define what you think a casual player is... as in... what content you have to complete to not be a casual, amount of time in game daily/weekly, player ability, or whatever arbitrary standards you set for "casuals".

Also, let us know whether you think you are casual or not. Try not to be rude! Stick with forum rules!

There is no need to be arbitrary. These words are already defined.

To do something casually in the context of playing an MMORPG means that you do it irregularly. Casual players are not players who stay committed long-term to the game - but take frequent or long breaks. This is why companies often do away with subscription fees (which require a commitment) when trying to appeal to more casual players.

Player skill or their own individual ability as a gamer has nothing to do with it.

Just because you make up a definition on the fly does not mean it's a universally accepted definition. Sorry, But I've been playing since Beta, I am a casual and I don't do vet content or trials and only rarely pvp. I play for enjoyment not competition.

I did not make up this definition on the fly...

When used as a noun a casual is (according Webster not me):

NOUN

1.a person who does something irregularly:

"a number of casuals became regular customers"

Even the most hardcore of gamers are not always playing the game to be competitive. Sometimes they play just to have fun as well. The difference is that a hardcore gamer is more active and committed to the game where as casual players aren't.

For example: if someone plays this game 10 hours a day every day they aren't casual ESO gamers no matter how badly they play their characters or avoid veteran content.

isn't it more about attitude?

i have come across players dedicated to hitting the leader boards that play less than i do. they consider themselves hardcore and i am sure i am casual in that i could not give a flying **** about leader boards.

I guess you can use the word casual as an adjective to describe certain attitudes if you want - such as players who are more relaxed and not as competitive. But that is separate from what it means to play a game casually or hardcore.

IrishGirlGamer

I started a couple of responses to this thread, then backed away. My current thoughts are the same as my first reaction: why? Why does it even matter?

Does the term "casual" have a definition within the gaming community? Sure. Words and images do mean something. The term casual has a very definite meaning to some people who game. Did it really start with Dark Souls, as someone in this thread suggested? That's interesting. I've played Dark Souls II and III. Does that make me something other than a casual? I don't know, I really don't.

Casual isn't a term people often apply to themselves; rather, it's a term applied to them by other players. It's a judgement term, like some other words I know that are inappropriate for this forum. It is often - but not always - used in the context of distinguishing the user from another player who they feel is inferior. Don't think so? Read this thread. Yeah.

Like most judgment terms, "casual" can be used to elicit an emotional response. "Elitist" is another term used for the same reason. Honestly, I have rarely seen either term used on this or any other forum where it wasn't meant to either hurt someone or reference that hurt in some way.

Am I casual? I don't really know.

I mean I play computer games. I do other things as well, but I do enjoy playing games. I'm better than some other players (or seem to be), but not as good as others. I also work at a museum, I'm finishing graduate school, I have friends and family, I own a cat. I read books, I watch movies, and - obviously - participate in forum discussions.

I don't define myself as a "gamer." I just don't really define myself with tags at all. I just seem myself as a person and I really try to see others the same way (not perfect at this but I try).

I own a bit of gaming paraphernalia, mostly t-shirts. I have a Dark Souls t-shirt I won in a contest and it's always fun when I wear it. Some people just stare at the words, not understanding. Then I'll meet someone who is like "Nice shirt" and we'll talk - two complete strangers - about how often we died in the game or that moment that we liked the best. I like those moments.

Is there an hourly requirement? Whatever it is, I'm sure I don't meet it. I played about 16 hours over the weekend, but before that, I didn't play at all for a week. Just too busy. On average, I play about ... oh God, I don't know. Hours. When I can. When I want to. And I like a lot of games, not just this one. If I want to play them, I'll play them. I just will. Because at the end of the day, this is just another game I play and it's a source of enjoyment - not an end in itself.

And so I think this is the thing that most makes me a casual. You see, this spring I finished my dissertation. I defended it over the summer. I have some things to wrap up this winter, but it will be published and in May I will walk across the stage with my father and brother watching from the audience and receive a Ph.D in Art History from Georgetown University. It took me three years but I did it. That is a goal that means something to me. In fact, it means A LOT to me. And if I play this game for the rest of my life, I will NEVER ever do anything in this game that will mean more to me than that moment. Never. Never. Never.

So yeah I guess I'm a casual.

SnubbS

Generally, people who aren't invested into whatever game they're playing -- just trying to have fun and not caring whether or not they're good at it. I don't think you can define a player as one or the other in every case -- because a lot of the time people play multiple games, and display varying degrees of 'care' in each of them.

Saucy_Jack

Hardcore players are those who beat Ninja Gaiden on the NES. Casuals are everyone else.

newtinmpls

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

isn't it more about attitude?

i have come across players dedicated to hitting the leader boards that play less than i do. they consider themselves hardcore and i am sure i am casual in that i could not give a flying **** about leader boards.

I was just thinking the same thing.

I see "casual" as I enjoy what I am doing in game.

I see "hardcore" as someone who rages about what others are doing in game. (and "should be" and "should not be"and OMG such and so is just soooo wrong).

ParaNostram

I'm pretty well casual in my eyes, and here is how I define it.

I do whatever sounds fun that day, and play only as long as I am having fun. Do I want to RP? Sure! I'll do that today, maybe PvP tomorrow, or do a few dungeons. I theory craft my own builds, never striving for a mastery of my character and stats but more for a unique and interesting play. This is partially due to how I am good enough at games to accomplish most of what I want. but not dedicated enough to be on top of my game. It's like the kid who never does homework but passes the class through test scores alone.

BlackPhillip

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Easy:

Casual plays the game for fun.

Hardcore plays the game to get the best stuff and the best numbers and to be the best.



No need for long-winded explanation here.

I consider myself a casual player. I play the game to have fun. I grind, I quest and do everything the "hardcore" player does, but I won't cry on the forums about RNG, PVP, etc

Isellskooma wrote: »

Casuals want everything handed to them.
(Easy content)

Elsonso

newtinmpls wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Right now, I am reveling in an activity that is blessed by the creators of the game: mindlessly farming bosses for world sets.

But are you having fun doing it?

If so - yippie

If not - (for me) then I go do something else.

When it gets to not be fun, I will do that. Right now, it is different enough to be fun. It gets boring very fast, though. I spent today terrorizing butterflies for bait. Thinking of going fishing after this.


P.S. - Kidding. Fishing is probably the only thing in the game that is more boring than waiting for a boss to spawn.

Barlthump

Afafrenferr wrote: »

This should be fun! Define what you think a casual player is... as in... what content you have to complete to not be a casual, amount of time in game daily/weekly, player ability, or whatever arbitrary standards you set for "casuals".

Also, let us know whether you think you are casual or not. Try not to be rude! Stick with forum rules!

Casual is when you lose so much hope in the game that you log on just to do crafting dailies cause you have a sub.

Doctordarkspawn

The real question is, is the hardcore audience big enough to be worth making content for over the casual audience?

Inb4 hate train.

Azuramoonstar

smacx250 wrote: »

Is "winning" the most important part of the game for you? If no, casual.

you can be hardcore and not make winning the most importent part of the game.

that is why i said it is a can of worms there is no definite definition for the gamer label of casual and hardcore

Azuramoonstar

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Isellskooma wrote: »

Casuals want everything handed to them.
(Easy content)

This is the lie that people should be shamed and guildkicked for. It became a meme when darksouls became popular, now some are stupid enough to believe it.

In reality, Casuals are just the people who make the majority of the playerbase. Their typically not into the darksouls level challenge and are basicly just there to have a few beers and have some fun. Their largely capable in many areas but unwilling to sacrifice everything for the sake of success. Many of them will not do veteran trials, including myself, just because...well, they wanna run something personalized and not something Meta. Thing is, many have found ways to make weird builds work. I meta dude who ran a sorc tank build who ran a full on daedric army build. He did his job and did it well, it was just some flavor. If there was much Leeway with DPS, I think we'd see alot more.

Another circumstance is that they dont have the time to get the skills and gear required -for- the meta.

Filthy casual is a term used by so called 'elites' to sneer at others, and it's why alot of them repeatedly advocate for some content to outright be repurposed for them on a regular basis.

However, not every casual is the dingus healing -air-. Honestly most 'casual' players are just the people who play videogames for fun, the people who suck are genuinely in their own catagory. These people that popped up around Darksouls popularity hike calling others filthy casuals need to recognize they are and allways will be a minority, and their cool kids club bullcrap is something many of us dont got time for.

that was said well before dark souls. since WoW wrath if the lich king was out.

Azuramoonstar

keoma01 wrote: »

Casuals have less time to waste in this game because they have family and job.

in ff11 i knew hardcore people with wife kids ect. the family respected the wife/hubbies game time back then roughly 2002-2007 or sooner. Most people i met when i started ff11 in 2004 was a mother or father and 30+ years old.

SteveCampsOut

Jeremy wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Afafrenferr wrote: »

This should be fun! Define what you think a casual player is... as in... what content you have to complete to not be a casual, amount of time in game daily/weekly, player ability, or whatever arbitrary standards you set for "casuals".

Also, let us know whether you think you are casual or not. Try not to be rude! Stick with forum rules!

There is no need to be arbitrary. These words are already defined.

To do something casually in the context of playing an MMORPG means that you do it irregularly. Casual players are not players who stay committed long-term to the game - but take frequent or long breaks. This is why companies often do away with subscription fees (which require a commitment) when trying to appeal to more casual players.

Player skill or their own individual ability as a gamer has nothing to do with it.

Just because you make up a definition on the fly does not mean it's a universally accepted definition. Sorry, But I've been playing since Beta, I am a casual and I don't do vet content or trials and only rarely pvp. I play for enjoyment not competition.

I did not make up this definition on the fly...

When used as a noun a casual is (according Webster not me):

NOUN

1.a person who does something irregularly:

"a number of casuals became regular customers"

Even the most hardcore of gamers are not always playing the game to be competitive. Sometimes they play just to have fun as well. The difference is that a hardcore gamer is more active and committed to the game where as casual players aren't.

For example: if someone plays this game 10 hours a day every day they aren't casual ESO gamers no matter how badly they play their characters or avoid veteran content.

I love how you pick your definitions. Well as an English major, I was taught that the FIRST definition in the dictionary is the most accurate and you completely chose to bypass the first definition completely! Casual is an Adjective that describes players. Even if we totally ignore the Adjective and go straight to the noun, it doesn't say whether or not the iregularity is simply time based or activity based. I irregularly PVP, I irregularly run vet dungeons I irregularly run trials, but I play nearly every day. My play is casual, relaxed, friendly , informal and easy going, as are the two guilds that I run on both the NA and EU servers. I am a casual and that is how I define myself. You sir, do not get to define me.

To see the complete definition of Casual, Open this Spoiler if you dare!

ca·su·al
ˈkaZHo͞oəl/
adjective
adjective: casual

1.
relaxed and unconcerned.
"she regarded his affairs with a casual indulgence"
synonyms: relaxed, friendly, informal, unceremonious, easygoing, free and easy; informal laid-back
"the inn's casual atmosphere"
antonyms: formal
made or done without much thought or premeditation.
"a casual remark"
synonyms: offhand, spontaneous, unpremeditated, unthinking, unconsidered, impromptu, throwaway, unguarded; informaloff-the-cuff
"a casual remark"
antonyms: premeditated
done or acting in a desultory way.
"to the casual observer, rugby looks something like soccer"
synonyms: cursory, perfunctory, superficial, passing, fleeting; More
hasty, brief, quick
"a casual glance"
antonyms: careful, thorough
done or acting without sufficient care or thoroughness.
"the casual way in which victims were treated"
synonyms: indifferent, apathetic, uncaring, unconcerned; More
lackadaisical, blasé, nonchalant, insouciant, offhand, flippant;
easygoing, free and easy, blithe, carefree, devil-may-care;
low-pressure;
informallaid-back, loosey-goosey, Type-B
"a casual attitude to life"
antonyms: careful, concerned
2.
not regular or permanent, in particular.
synonyms: temporary, part-time, freelance, impermanent, irregular, occasional
"casual work"
antonyms: permanent, full-time
employed or established on a temporary or irregular basis.
"casual staff"
synonyms: temporary, part-time, freelance, impermanent, irregular, occasional
"casual work"
antonyms: permanent, full-time
(of a sexual relationship or encounter) occurring between people who are not regular or established sexual partners.
"they don't do one-night stands or casual flings"
synonyms: promiscuous, extramarital, free
"casual sex"
3.
happening by chance; accidental.
"he pretended it was a casual meeting"
synonyms: chance, accidental, unplanned, unintended, unexpected, unforeseen, unanticipated, fortuitous, serendipitous, adventitious
"a casual meeting changed his life"
antonyms: intentional, planned
4.
without formality of style or manner, in particular (of clothing) suitable for everyday wear rather than formal occasions.
"a casual short-sleeved shirt"
synonyms: informal, comfortable, leisure, everyday; informalsporty
"a casual shirt"
antonyms: formal, dressy

noun
noun: casual; plural noun: casuals

1.
a person who does something irregularly.
"a number of casuals became regular customers"
a worker employed on an irregular or temporary basis.
2.
clothes or shoes suitable for everyday wear rather than formal occasions.

Antien

Why do we need to catagorise players/ gamers based on how serious they take a game, how often they play, how much they actually care about the game or whether or not they find aspects hard or easy? WHY?
Labeling a player a casual or harcore or an elitist does nothing, it only divides communities more as we see so much with games now. If you feel the need to label a player, keep it to yourself because in most cases, rather all cases, it is a matter of opinion. And we all know about opinions...

deevoh1991

Casual for me is light hearted in the sense I don't care about numbers and stuff, and too much on what works with what and how well and I need this item "naowwww" to do dungeons... I go at my own pace and don't try anything too challenging where I need constant buffs and am pressured by too much critical input, I learn and try to improve in a very leisurely and comfortable pace, it's more relaxation than aggressive.

Jimbullbee85

I think theres so many player styles that its hard to answer this question. Theres strict role players, PvPers and general explorers. This is a very diverse game and each type of player has casual players and hard-core players. The question has a long answer if you want to define the difference between casual and hard-core for each of them. I'd simply put the difference down to the amount of time spent playing the game.

Doctordarkspawn

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Isellskooma wrote: »

Casuals want everything handed to them.
(Easy content)

This is the lie that people should be shamed and guildkicked for. It became a meme when darksouls became popular, now some are stupid enough to believe it.

In reality, Casuals are just the people who make the majority of the playerbase. Their typically not into the darksouls level challenge and are basicly just there to have a few beers and have some fun. Their largely capable in many areas but unwilling to sacrifice everything for the sake of success. Many of them will not do veteran trials, including myself, just because...well, they wanna run something personalized and not something Meta. Thing is, many have found ways to make weird builds work. I meta dude who ran a sorc tank build who ran a full on daedric army build. He did his job and did it well, it was just some flavor. If there was much Leeway with DPS, I think we'd see alot more.

Another circumstance is that they dont have the time to get the skills and gear required -for- the meta.

Filthy casual is a term used by so called 'elites' to sneer at others, and it's why alot of them repeatedly advocate for some content to outright be repurposed for them on a regular basis.

However, not every casual is the dingus healing -air-. Honestly most 'casual' players are just the people who play videogames for fun, the people who suck are genuinely in their own catagory. These people that popped up around Darksouls popularity hike calling others filthy casuals need to recognize they are and allways will be a minority, and their cool kids club bullcrap is something many of us dont got time for.

that was said well before dark souls. since WoW wrath if the lich king was out.

Yeah, but around Dark Souls it gained a resurgance, than became an insult, then idiots like the idiot that posted it genuinely believed the filthy casuals were coming to take their difficulty.

It evolved from a stupid thing people said to a stupid thing people took seriously.

Knootewoot

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Isellskooma wrote: »

Casuals want everything handed to them.

this is a patent lie and you will be hearing from my solicitor first thing in the morning.

i am a casual player... i play for fun. the pleasure of exploring and finding out how things work. i neither want nor require things to be 'handed' to me. unlike those precious pvp snowflakes.

I am a casual player and PvP. I don't want anything "handed" to me. Unlike those precious PvE peasants who don't want to set foot in Cyrodill because they are afraid to "meet" players while gathering shards or doing dungeons.

And yes.. if they demand a PvP free cyrodill, then I want PvE free loot.

Edit: my definition of Casual

- A player who takes his time to play the game and don't rush to end. Dungeons are fine but not necessary because they lack playtime to wait for groups and accept that.

Coatmagic

Would consider myself a *casual* because I am non competitive.

Being competitive, in any way, pretty much takes a person off the casual list as far as I'm concerned.

*> Flower-picking-care-bears Unite! <*

Junipus

Casual is a broad term so difficult to define, but there's about 6 pages of definition so will add mine in:

- Someone who doesn't strive to be the best or considers continuous improvement to be part of the gameplay experience.

AdamBourke

I consider myself to be a casual player.

I've played about 450 hours including the semi-open beta, 400 of those on one character. My other character was created to get the PS4 trophies i missed by switching from PC. And also partly for some of the nice female costumes that look bizarre on my primary male argonian.

Finished Cadwell's Silver, Halfway through Cadwell's Gold.

Got the questing acheivement in all zones before Cadwell's Gold.

Completed all of pre-craglorn delves.

Completed all pre-craglorn group dungeons.

Completed Thieves Guild PS4 trophies.

Completed Dark Brotherhood Story, And Litany of Blood - but have four more targets to assassinate for Blackest Sacrament.

Completed 2 Group Dungeons.

ESO+ Subscription.

Got every reward in the Witches Festival except one of the blue recipes.

Haven't caught a single rare fish.

Rank 5 (I think in PVP).

I forget the names of abilities.

Destruction Staff / Restoration Staff combo. Summon Clannfear, Bound armour are in both skill bars. Werewolf and Destruction Staff Ultimates. (Although Werewolf only because I want to raise the skill level).

Planning on improving PvP once I finish all the PvE. Still got a while left!