Define: "Casual"

Zyrudin

Casuals are those that treat ESO as a game, not a job.

Cherryblossom

clothes or shoes suitable for everyday wear rather than formal occasions.

BretonBadger

Afafrenferr wrote: »

Are you making a correlation between crowns/subs and casuals or group finder and casuals? Maybe craft bags are casuals? I'm made of questions right now.

So I started out complaining about the item management time sink. That's probably issue #1 for casuals. #2 is the party finder (If it's still broken).

But then I started ranting about other issues too. Like how they are shooting themselves in the foot with their business model because the incentivize waiting for a crown sale instead of putting individual items on sale. I think they created the item management time grind on purpose to feed their business model and my point was that it's disingenious. They just need to fix how they deal with crowns. Also, I haven't played recently enough to comment on the party finder, but a broken party finder hurts casuals badly. The overhead of creating a party can run 30+ mins to an hour. And even fail. That's time I could have spent grinding quests for XP or something else. Also a casual usually only has 1 hour at a time, 2 hours tops, so instance group creation and instance runs need to be fast. Really, I've seen complaints about casuals with bad DPS and gear, but that's not that big of an issue. I don't think it's that hard to hit the point of good gear even playing casually.

Runkorko

with few words - ppl who dont care about ladders=casual
And for all elitist *** out there- casual dont mean lack of skills, neither elitist mean pro palyer.

BretonBadger

Woeler wrote: »

"DONT JUDGE MY DOUBLE BOW HYBRID SORCERER VAMPIRE PET BUILD IN TRIALS. IT IS VIABLE AND IF YOU TELL ME ITS NOT THEN YOU ARE AN ELITST. 12K DPS IS VERY GOOD, ANIMATION CANCELLING IS CHEATING!!!11!!!11!!!1"

~Casuals

Honestly though, Animation cancelling is something very non-intuitive because they don't make it obvious it's even a mechanic. It also feels weird because stuff will die and you don't always see what killed it. I did it in my day, but saw it as poor design. I had no idea and I had been 50 for quite a while, like if people didn't mess around enough, no one would have known. Who makes a game and doesn't make how to play it obvious? Then it felt really strange after. Things died and I didn't always see why. I think it's a poor mechanic they should bag and buff abilities.

TheSeer

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Casual: Under 20k dps, cannot sustain heals, cannot maintain aggro.

There are some that may argue that 20k DPS is casual

I am, at least in my eyes, a casual player and I can sustain heals better then most of the so-called hardcore players.

TheSeer

Ghettokid wrote: »

Not Orc.

*Is an Orc Healer*

Julianos

Casual player is like a middle class in real life and hardcore people is like a rich and workaholics.

Mojmir

Axorn wrote: »

Casual player is like a middle class in real life and hardcore people is like a rich and workaholics.

Actually most hardcore players I know are broke.

LaiTash

Mojmir wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Casual player is like a middle class in real life and hardcore people is like a rich and workaholics.

Actually most hardcore players I know are broke.

Now that's a [snip]. But i think the original post wasn't about real life.
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Mojmir

LaiTash wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Casual player is like a middle class in real life and hardcore people is like a rich and workaholics.

Actually most hardcore players I know are broke.

Now that's a [snip]

Oh so we know the same people? Yeah didn't think so
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Rune_Relic

lordrichter wrote: »

newtinmpls wrote: »

Play the game in a way that will bring you enjoyment. If what you are doing is not fun - do something else.

You are talking to a person who played a single character for one thousand hours before hitting VR 16. Even though ZOS is doing their best to narrow the game play to specific (repetitive) activities and trivializing other ways to play, I will probably find some niche that provides entertainment. Right now, I am reveling in an activity that is blessed by the creators of the game: mindlessly farming bosses for world sets.

Question if you dont mind.
Woudl you rather spend all your time repeatedly farming one set (with no time to do any other content)....or
Spend all your time experimenting with 100s of different set combinations (while still playing all content) until you found one you like and played well with ?

EsoRecon

@Afafrenferr you

waterfairy

[ca·su·al/ˈkaZHo͞oəl/
adjective
relaxed and unconcerned.
not regular or permanent, in particular.
happening by chance; accidental.
without formality of style or manner, in particular (of clothing) suitable for everyday wear rather than formal occasions.
noun
a person who does something irregularly.
clothes or shoes suitable for everyday wear rather than formal occasions.

NewBlacksmurf

So in short...the definition is whatever ppl want to make it as it's often used as a dereogotary or demeaning reference rather than anything meaningful.

Enslaved

How to define casual. Well, if you ask 0.5% of really great players, everything below them is casual. If you ask 5-10% of great players, its the same, and those 0.5% above them are filthy elitists in their eyes. I understand this continues on and on. I can only speak for myself, and I do not call others casuals. There are only jerks and cooperative ppl. Jerks are all those who do not want to contribute the way they should. Some might be new, so they do not know how to play certain dungeon, others might think they are way above the level of performance the rest of the group is able to do, so they do not want to help others. Both of these are known for their yelling on others, and also both think its everybody else that is bad, but them. On the other hand, we have cooperative ppl of all levels. Some see that group need leadership and take it, explaining to the group what is the goal and how we would reach it. They offer help to others, if needed, being open to questions. Newer ppl that are aware that their level of play is not great ask others what should they do to help the group the most. Even if that mean leaving the group, they often do it on their own, not wanting to slow down the others. I am fortunate enough to have both of these types of cooperative ppl in my guild and friend list. And I respect them for being nice to others, no matter if they are way better or still learning how to play ESO.

strikeback1247

In my eyes, a casual player is someone that plays for fun and may have limited playtime/skills (nothing wrong with that!)

A filthy casual is someone that wants the developers to change the game to cater to their lack of playtime/skills.

Browiseth

Casual (Casunius Playinium)

Of lower skill
Lax and less caring of efficiency or practicality
Templar

Symptoms include: spamming executes as a main dps, collecting style motifs, responding with hostility to criticism on build or skill, ignorance or unawareness of the chat window

Please donate what IRL EXP you can to the ESOiCare fund to help these poor souls.

Saucy_Jack

When one thing initiates another.

Wait, causal.

That's causal.

Elsonso

One thing is very clear.

If someone shares a definition of casual here, you can pretty much tell if they are one. You can tell the difference between definitions written by casual players and hard core players. This extends to a whole bunch of the definitions on the internet that Google can locate, too.

So, to be honest, the definition of a casual gamer is one who can describe what a casual gamer is such that other casual gamers agree.

Asardes

Casuals = people who don't play very often and usually don't put a lot of effort in improving their gear and play style in order to be more effective. There are of course who spend a lot of time online without doing that either. And there are players who don't play a lot but nevertheless manage to play well because they have played other MMOs and they searched the internet and asked for advice about how to play effectively. So the term "casual" is not that well defined.

Afafrenferr

I keep seeing people complain about bad experiences In the game and it baffled me, I very rarely have issues with people in-game, but gees, there's some rude people on these forums.
there zero reason to be rude or snotty to others on here. We are all playing the same game here, however you look at it, we obviously all have something in common, so stop being so rude to people you would obviously get along with pretty well.

Strider_Roshin

A casual is someone that's not concerned about being optimal.

Asardes

NativeJoe wrote: »

Casual:

That guy who lewts every crate and sack in the dungeon.
The tank and healer duo that Don't lead the way, but seem to linger behind.
The guy using a console controller.
Anyone with an accent.
Anyone with a child.
Anyone not a child nor rich.
That girl the guild seems to worship and give free stuff.
That guy who refers to "daedra" as demons, and calls a daedric Titan a dragon.
That group of people that never ever consider soloing anything in pvp.
The people that ask you for a PC (price check) on everything in their inventory.
The people that have 8 lvl 20 characters.
The people that don't know what a mule is.
The people that look up meta builds every patch and just go with that.
The people that perch up on ledges and spawn points in IC.
The person that disappears 2-3 weeks at a time.
etc...


non-casual is a much much shorter list

Kelces wrote: »

Casually playing at work perhaps?

That would be called "unemployed wannabe" if it were working for me

CapnPhoton

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Isellskooma wrote: »

Casuals want everything handed to them.

this is a patent lie and you will be hearing from my solicitor first thing in the morning.

i am a casual player... i play for fun. the pleasure of exploring and finding out how things work. i neither want nor require things to be 'handed' to me. [snip]

Agreed. I was thinking the same thing about the PVP crowd after reading posts.

I am casual and I don't need things handed to me. I log on when I have the time. It is usually 3-4 times per week for 2-3 hours each time. Some weeks I get only a few log ins. It depends on work. Casual to me means that I can just go back into a zone and pick up where I left off, and if I want to get into a group thing, there are usually people around.
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maxetro

I'm a casual player. I play 3-4 hours in a week. I dont care about min/max builds, I'm playing only with pugs and ppl from group finder, I never been in any vet trial or in DSA (even normal version). Lore and RP is much more important for me then race passives, builds etc. For example, I have nord templar who is healer and tank, and breton stam/sorc. I'm not using animation canceling, because I just dont care about bigger dps and I want to see whole animation like it should be.

But I still can do 20-25k dps on any of my dd's. I did all vet dungeons in hm modes with pugs, Hist dungeons too. And I did vMA twice on my stamsorc (first attempt took 9 months, second one - 1 hour, lol).

Kodrac

You can be casual and still be good at the game. You just need understanding of game mechanics and/or previous MMO experience. To me casual is the amount of time able to play and/or laid-back. I know plenty of good casuals and plenty of bad casuals too. Then again I know quite a few bad hardcores too, but they don't get the casual tag because they play all day long - they just get the bad tag.

Asardes

Liofa wrote: »

Casuals are the ones who doesn't improve themselves beyond the point to clear a certain content . If they can complete a dungeon with 15k DPS , they will see it enough and won't be putting more effort into it .

This is why no one uses Group Finder . I ask you now , think of the number of times you encountered a ''tank'' who is using 2h/bow and critical rushes to the boss . They get lucky and carried by some good players and they say ''I completed X dungeon 3 times !''

You don't even need to know the definition of casual . Just look at the forums . When you see a thread saying ''I got kicked because I was using...'' , you can understand that OP is a casual .

Sometimes I ran with groups so bad that I had to crit rush, taunt, debuff, drop DoTs, interrupt and execute the boss, while constantly healing myself with ingenous+vigor+rally. The others were just spamming light attack from behind, until they died to scripted AoE. I was the tank PUG-ing random normal dungeons. Never again!

SHADOW2KK

maxetro wrote: »

I'm a casual player. I play 3-4 hours in a week. I dont care about min/max builds, I'm playing only with pugs and ppl from group finder, I never been in any vet trial or in DSA (even normal version). Lore and RP is much more important for me then race passives, builds etc. For example, I have nord templar who is healer and tank, and breton stam/sorc. I'm not using animation canceling, because I just dont care about bigger dps and I want to see whole animation like it should be.

But I still can do 20-25k dps on any of my dd's. I did all vet dungeons in hm modes with pugs, Hist dungeons too. And I did vMA twice on my stamsorc (first attempt took 9 months, second one - 1 hour, lol).

No offence but 20-25k dps on HM/Hist and you have done vma on a breton stamsorc without ani cancelling? and a magicka race for a stam build?

Really, show some parses or achievements on your alleged stamsorc or other dds who are capable of pulling 20 odd k dps, cos I dont buy it.

Asardes

Cherryblossom wrote: »

clothes or shoes suitable for everyday wear rather than formal occasions.

As long as they are CP160 divines, gold quality, with matching arcane gold jewelry 5 x Infallible Mage + 5 x Twilight Remedy, assorted with sharpened Maelstrom staves, I really don't mind