PC Controllers/Gaming Mouse

thedude33

Having a tough time getting a system down where I can move, attack and change weapons....especially since I only have 2 hands

I was never a good guitar player so using the WASD and trying to hit 1-5 at same time is tough for me. Gotta be an easier way. Currently my weapon swap is F key. I just fat finger stuff too often. Never mind trying to learn to animation cancel

What are some of the things the pros use ?

AzraelKrieg

Most will use gaming mice designed for MMOs. The Razer Naga and Roccat Nyth are two examples. They have 12 thumb buttons on the side so your mouse hand can be doing all the skills and attacks leaving your other hand free for movement and some small actions such as potion activation or ultimate dropping

azoriangaming

also if you're having issues with keyboard and mouse you can always use a xbox one/360 controller with the in game controller support also if you hate there in game controller support you can use something like xpadder and set up your own button setup

thedude33

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Most will use gaming mice designed for MMOs. The Razer Naga and Roccat Nyth are two examples. They have 12 thumb buttons on the side so your mouse hand can be doing all the skills and attacks leaving your other hand free for movement and some small actions such as potion activation or ultimate dropping

I have never got the hang of a mouse with the buttons on the side. My mouse is moving all over the place to allow my player to have good mobility. The pressure needed with the thumb over powers that movement (kinda hard to explain)

I just hate the fact that for full movement I need both the mouse and keyboard. Gotta find a way to have 100% movement while only using one hand.Keyboard turning is just too slow.

Rosveen

I have Logitech G600. Skills + ultimate and potion hotkeys on the side, weapon swap on scroll wheel and roll dodge on the third button. Could have moved more actions to the mouse, but I'm fine with this setup.

Vaerth

thedude33 wrote: »

Having a tough time getting a system down where I can move, attack and change weapons....especially since I only have 2 hands

I was never a good guitar player so using the WASD and trying to hit 1-5 at same time is tough for me. Gotta be an easier way. Currently my weapon swap is F key. I just fat finger stuff too often. Never mind trying to learn to animation cancel

What are some of the things the pros use ?

Red Dragon MMO gaming mouse

Enslaved

BTW, is this any good? I mean, would it be a utter bs to spend cash on it?

http://www.razerzone.com/store/razer-orbweaver-chroma

Doctordarkspawn

I use a standard xbox 360 controller. Why? Well, for one all the ability buttons are right next to each other, and since you can bind stuff how you want, and the time your thumb needs to travel from stick to buttons is low, if you have good hand eye cordination or build it up, you can not only DPS, but stay mobile while doing it.

It allows a unmatched level of flexibility and situational awareness. Keyboard and mouse without (and sometimes with) rebinding has your DPS buttons far from your movement buttons, this cuts out the middleman entirely.

I would not imagine tanking with any other method. Seriously, if you are not so adversed to controllers that you'd commit japanese ritual suicide, I reccomend you give it a whirl. (The UI is a bit jarring to get used to, but once you do you may come to -love- it over the default UI. I reccomend geting BetterUI if you seriously intend to use the controler, it's a godsend.)

thedude33

Enslaved wrote: »

BTW, is this any good? I mean, would it be a utter bs to spend cash on it?

http://www.razerzone.com/store/razer-orbweaver-chroma

Not sure how that works. Looks like it replaces the keyboard but still has the problem of movement from both it and the mouse?

Doctordarkspawn

Enslaved wrote: »

BTW, is this any good? I mean, would it be a utter bs to spend cash on it?

http://www.razerzone.com/store/razer-orbweaver-chroma

That looks extremely impractical, not gonna lie.

Seri

thedude33 wrote: »

using the WASD and trying to hit 1-5 at same time is tough for me. Gotta be an easier way. Currently my weapon swap is F key. I just fat finger stuff too often.

One of the first things I did was swap the R and 5 keybinds. Skills being 1-4+R is a lot easier rhan 1-5. I've got a Logitech G602 so have weapon swap and ult bound to mouse buttons. Ult specifically is on one of the buttons that lies net to the left mouse button rather than on the side.

If you try a light grip on the mouse so it can move easily with no downwards pressure it might help. I can kinda understand where you're coming from with your thumb/movement issue, I hold my mouse mostly between the thumb and little/pinky finger so there's something to squeeze when using the side button.

SHADOW2KK

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

I use a standard xbox 360 controller. Why? Well, for one all the ability buttons are right next to each other, and since you can bind stuff how you want, and the time your thumb needs to travel from stick to buttons is low, if you have good hand eye cordination or build it up, you can not only DPS, but stay mobile while doing it.

It allows a unmatched level of flexibility and situational awareness. Keyboard and mouse without (and sometimes with) rebinding has your DPS buttons far from your movement buttons, this cuts out the middleman entirely.

I would not imagine tanking with any other method. Seriously, if you are not so adversed to controllers that you'd commit japanese ritual suicide, I reccomend you give it a whirl. (The UI is a bit jarring to get used to, but once you do you may come to -love- it over the default UI. I reccomend geting BetterUI if you seriously intend to use the controler, it's a godsend.)

But Seppuku or its other term Hara-kiri is so final:P

Wollust

I use a Razer Naga. Works fine for me without affecting my movement or whatever.

W0lf_z13

Enslaved wrote: »

BTW, is this any good? I mean, would it be a utter bs to spend cash on it?

http://www.razerzone.com/store/razer-orbweaver-chroma

i tried something very similar to this the Razer Tartarus Chroma ... its definitely a bit different playing with it... i had the direction keys assigned to the thumb stick area ... didn't really get used to using it so i switched back to the regular keyboard

Syrani

I use the Razer Tartarus (same thing as the Orbweaver, but a little smaller), and I love it. I use the joystick to move, and have all my abilities assigned to the keys, plus dodge roll, horse mount button, jump, and potion button. In my right hand, I use a Razer Ouroborus (gaming mouse), and I have sprint, weapon swap, synergy button, and "put away weapon" key on it. This setup works amazing for me, although it took a few days to get used to it.

I have small hands, so there is no way I could ever use the keyboard for all of this and be anywhere near efficient. When I used the regular keyboard, I had to actually take my fingers off the WASD keys to be able to reach most other buttons, and that was not good. The Tartarus/Mouse combo eliminated that problem for me, and now I can reach everything easily, and can still swap weapons/sprint/use potions/use abilities/whatever while still being able to move. This setup really made all the difference for me.

I would imagine not everyone would like this setup, especially at first, because it is a bit different. But now, I can't imagine using anything else. If you buy one new from a store, you could always try it out for a week or two and see if you like it. If not, you could always take it back and try something else.

Syrani

Oh, and another thing about the Orbweaver/Tartarus is that it's easy to program. You can use the keys for a variety of functions, such as macros (not allowed in this game!), they can be assigned mouse functions, keyboard functions, etc. I simply assign a keyboard key to an ability in the in game menu, and then assign one of the Tartarus keys to that keyboard key. You can also have many different "profiles" on your Tartarus for as many keybind setups as you like, for as many different games as you like (you can name the profiles). You can also have a "shift modifier" set up on the Tartarus to instantly change it's keybinds to a totally different set of them on the fly, although, for this game, there are enough keys on the device that you shouldn't have to do that, especially if you are using a gaming mouse with it.

I use the Ouroborus mouse because it can be used as both a wired or wireless mouse, and since it is also Razer, I use the Razer Synapse interface to program both devices/update both devices. It's a really nice setup.

Rosveen

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

I use a standard xbox 360 controller. Why? Well, for one all the ability buttons are right next to each other, and since you can bind stuff how you want, and the time your thumb needs to travel from stick to buttons is low, if you have good hand eye cordination or build it up, you can not only DPS, but stay mobile while doing it.

It allows a unmatched level of flexibility and situational awareness. Keyboard and mouse without (and sometimes with) rebinding has your DPS buttons far from your movement buttons, this cuts out the middleman entirely.

That's assuming you use a basic mouse and have to bind almost everything to the keyboard. With a gaming mouse, I control movement with my left hand and attacks with my right, so I can easily do both at the same time.

Wing

I also support the razer naga, I also use a razer deathstalker keyboard as it has the chicklet style keys I prefer.

I have had both of mine for well over 5 years now and they still both work great (I clean them regularly thought) I could not imagine trying to use the keyboard buttons to activate skills now XD

razer products are always high quality and just a pleasure to use.

punishergod

Razer naga mmo mouse... it takes awhile to get used too, but it's the best option available.
My hands are smallish.. I use the 45678 keys on the mouse for my 1-5 abilities and my ultimate is still on the keyboard default bind. Weapon swap is the scroll button right on mouse, roll dodge is scroll back. And I have break free/bash on f key.

thedude33

Will take a look at all the hardware suggestions. I guess the bottom line is I want all movement on one hand, and likely the mouse would be it. As long as all movement ...sprint, dodging, spins, forward, backwards, slide side to side etc ...then I think I would be fine figuring out something on the keyboard for actions

Scamandros

Something simple and often overlooked is just which skills you put in each skill slot.

All depends on your keyboard layout, but for me:
I have utility and support closer to the edges (skills 1 and 5) as they are most likely to be used while your moving or running away. Middle finger on W/S and have your hand slightly rotated to easily hit 1/2 or 4/5 as needed.

When your using your spammable damage skills you are less likely to be charging/retreating. At most you are kiting, circling or repositioning slightly, so for that you only need ring or index finger on A or D for strafing, which frees up skills 2/3/4 to be easily used by middle finger or whichever else isn't being used to move at that time. Thus most damage rotation skills fit there. I keep in mind that 3 is uncomfortable to use while moving forward/backward, so I tend to stick skills that are position critical there as I know I will stop moving or at least slow down to cast it. Stuff like ground targeted DoTs are good.

I also have swap weapons as tab and tab target as ~ because it made more sense to me.

Since working out the general layout for my skills it has been quite easy to fight and move at the same time and I barely have to think about it. Another upside is these changes are all free.

I do have a cheap $15 logitech mouse with a couple extra buttons on the sides. Mostly used for push to talk and dodge roll as I hate double tapping. Have owned the mouse for a few years now and at various points it has been thrown or smashed into the desk. It is holding up incredibly well for its pricerange and has never made me want for any of the flash high end options. I also like to have the mouse sensitivity set really high so that aiming and turning around takes minimal effort.

Nyghthowler

I've used the Logitech G13 for years, and love it.

http://gaming.logitech.com/en-us/product/g13-advanced-gameboard

wayfarerx

Wollust wrote: »

I use a Razer Naga. Works fine for me without affecting my movement or whatever.

I have also used the Naga for almost two years and recommend it whole-heartedly. I can move / cast / bar swap all at the same time without moving my fingers almost at all.

MissBizz

wayfarerx wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

I use a Razer Naga. Works fine for me without affecting my movement or whatever.

I have also used the Naga for almost two years and recommend it whole-heartedly. I can move / cast / bar swap all at the same time without moving my fingers almost at all.

I like the corsair scimitar. Like the Naga but you can adjust where the side buttons are. And my Naga broke pretty quick. Hah.

wayfarerx

MissBizz wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

I use a Razer Naga. Works fine for me without affecting my movement or whatever.

I have also used the Naga for almost two years and recommend it whole-heartedly. I can move / cast / bar swap all at the same time without moving my fingers almost at all.

I like the corsair scimitar. Like the Naga but you can adjust where the side buttons are. And my Naga broke pretty quick. Hah.

Corsair is cool but no mac support is a dealbreaker for me. I've heard many people say that their Naga broke fairly quickly but mine has been rock-solid.

Sigtric

wayfarerx wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

I use a Razer Naga. Works fine for me without affecting my movement or whatever.

I have also used the Naga for almost two years and recommend it whole-heartedly. I can move / cast / bar swap all at the same time without moving my fingers almost at all.

I like the corsair scimitar. Like the Naga but you can adjust where the side buttons are. And my Naga broke pretty quick. Hah.

Corsair is cool but no mac support is a dealbreaker for me. I've heard many people say that their Naga broke fairly quickly but mine has been rock-solid.

I had to take apart and fix my Naga twice inside the first year. 4 times overall since 2012. Upgraded to scimitar some time ago and has been rock solid

Minalan

Does anyone else just use a mouse button (like The third or fourth one) for switching weapons?

Sigtric

I use one of the buttons between L and R click (behind the mouse wheel) for bar swap @Minalan

IrishGirlGamer

Rosveen wrote: »

I have Logitech G600. Skills + ultimate and potion hotkeys on the side, weapon swap on scroll wheel and roll dodge on the third button. Could have moved more actions to the mouse, but I'm fine with this setup.

^^^ I second this. Buying this mouse two years ago saved my sanity.

My setup is very similar except I put the potions wheel on the mouse button, because having that little extra resistance prevented me from accidently burning through my potions.

Good mouse. I own two.

Ourorboros

Xbox 360 controller works well with the new Gamepad mode, but as mentioned above, this is much improved with the BetterUI addon. The downside is not many other addons fully support Gamepad mode. For me, this means I still keep a KB/M nearby for some of the lost addon functionality. This is mostly inventory management. The controller is great for moving and fighting. An added benefit for the Gamepad mode is it's much easier to see UI details when playing at a comfortable distance on large screens ( mine is 55").

richardjameshillb16_ESO

360 controller here, works great, just use K+M for auctions