Confusion about the effects of Thaumaturge and Elemental Expert.

FlaviusVoyage

I am trying to decide between both passives, but I am confused:

Elemental Expert: "Increases your Flame, Frost, and Shock damage by X"

Thaumaturge: "Increases your damage with poison, disease and magic by X"

Can anyone explain the difference?

SodanTok

Your problem is looking at old data.
Elemental experts buffs magic, flame, frost, shock damage
Thaumaturge buffs DoT damage (of any type).
Mighty buffs physical, poison and disease

Sallington

Where did you find that info? That's the old CP nodes before the rework...like 6 months ago lol.

kylewwefan

Well I'm not sitting in front of the game, but that's the way it used to be. Then a few patches ago, they changed it. Now elemental also includes magic damage and thaumaturge is just damage over time effects. I think poison and disease is moved to mighty. I could be wrong

FlaviusVoyage

Ohhh! I got from this link: http://elderscrollsonline.info/champion-system.

Yikes! Does anyone know a list of champion passives that is actually updated? That would be really helpful.

Thanks, everyone!

Sallington

The one elder scrolls wiki is good. looking up link now.

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Elder+Scrolls+Online+Wiki

the_man_of_steal

Since we solved that issue... might as well really talk about therma:

Can people please confirm or deny if Therma increases heals over time as well as damage...

TY!

Pepper8Jack

Last I heard/read Thaumaturge does not increase the value of HoTs.

Likely due to the wording: "damage over time abilities", heals over time are treated as a seperate category in this games maths

FlaviusVoyage

Sallington wrote: »

The one elder scrolls wiki is good. looking up link now.

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Elder+Scrolls+Online+Wiki

Looking at this right now. Thanks!!

SolarCat02

the_man_of_steal wrote: »

Since we solved that issue... might as well really talk about therma:

Can people please confirm or deny if Therma increases heals over time as well as damage...

TY!

It's just damage, unfortunately.

The only ones that directly boost heals are Blessed (heals) and Elfborn (Spell crits of any magical variety).

I don't think the stamina crit side boosts heals at all, does it?

FlaviusVoyage

What about Spell Erosion? ("Increases Spell Penetration by [x]%.")

1) Does it work for Magicka-based skills as well as staves?
2) Does it ignore spell resistance of enemies?

Balad

FlaviusVoyage wrote: »

What about Spell Erosion? ("Increases Spell Penetration by [x]%.")

1) Does it work for Magicka-based skills as well as staves?
2) Does it ignore spell resistance of enemies?

Yea, I am confused too about it too.

Spidersick

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Balad wrote: »

FlaviusVoyage wrote: »

What about Spell Erosion? ("Increases Spell Penetration by [x]%.")

1) Does it work for Magicka-based skills as well as staves?
2) Does it ignore spell resistance of enemies?

Yea, I am confused too about it too.

I might be wrong, but I think it just ignores spell resistance of mobs. See, before the change Spell Erosion meant that "Your spells ignore X of Spell Resistance." There is already another passive that increases Magicka skill damage (Elemental Expert), so it would be kind of a duplicate. Maybe it is just different wording for that.

I hope someone can clarify it.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

SolarCat02 wrote: »

the_man_of_steal wrote: »

Since we solved that issue... might as well really talk about therma:

Can people please confirm or deny if Therma increases heals over time as well as damage...

TY!

It's just damage, unfortunately.

The only ones that directly boost heals are Blessed (heals) and Elfborn (Spell crits of any magical variety).

I don't think the stamina crit side boosts heals at all, does it?

yes, vigor is impacted by Precise Strikes, it says so in the description, http://esoitem.uesp.net/viewlog.php?action=view&record=cpSkills&id=466, and i have verified this through the use of vigor on my tank. the only other stam heal i have used is Momentum and i have not verified that Precise Strikes work with it. also not sure about how it works with Blood Craze but Bloodthirst is a percentage based heal based on damage done, so i don't know if it can crit. the last stam heal that i am aware of is Draining Shot, i also have no idea if it can crit, but if it did, it ought to use Precise Strikes as well.

Panth141

Spidersick wrote: »

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Balad wrote: »

FlaviusVoyage wrote: »

What about Spell Erosion? ("Increases Spell Penetration by [x]%.")

1) Does it work for Magicka-based skills as well as staves?
2) Does it ignore spell resistance of enemies?

Yea, I am confused too about it too.

I might be wrong, but I think it just ignores spell resistance of mobs. See, before the change Spell Erosion meant that "Your spells ignore X of Spell Resistance." There is already another passive that increases Magicka skill damage (Elemental Expert), so it would be kind of a duplicate. Maybe it is just different wording for that.

I hope someone can clarify it.

^^ This

Spell Erosion values affect the degree to which you ignore an enemy's spell resistance with you magicka damaging abilities

Xvorg

the_man_of_steal wrote: »

Since we solved that issue... might as well really talk about therma:

Can people please confirm or deny if Therma increases heals over time as well as damage...

TY!

The only heals thaum increases are the heals done by the last hit of bloodthirst and lascerate effect, since both depends on dmg done to heal you. (60% and 50% dmg done in both skills respectively)