DC and EP fighting alongside in TF NA

ataggs

I used to think this talk was paranoia, but I had to check to see if AD had emp tonight as a reason for the DC / EP coordination. There was no emp, no back cap, just blue and red fighting not just at the same keep but next to each other. Mostly around Roe and Alessia.

I don't believe everyone in both factions is doing this, but it is hard to imagine that at least a couple of groups arent coordinating. I'll gladly take the hate and the rude comments because I know I'm not wrong on this. What I want to know is what the EP get out of this arrangement.

Chuga_Rei

Viva la black alliance!

Sigma957

Well yesterday EP was fighting DC at chal and AD at brk/sej, didn't really see any big AD and DC fights.

ataggs

I'm sure it's isolated to a couple of groups, but it is happening.

Rohamad_Ali

What an honor to be double teamed ! You should be proud Zoola for being most dangerous of factions .

HoloYoitsu

Bananas are key ingredients in most smoothies.

Curragraigue

If the AP is juicy it is blood in the water for both factions.

ataggs

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Bananas are key ingredients in most smoothies.

That reminds me of a song, " My milkshake something something" I forgot the words, but I'm old.

ataggs

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

What an honor to be double teamed ! You should be proud Zoola for being most dangerous of factions .

I am proud, we managed to steal you away from DC and now they are both DC and EP are jealous!

Rohamad_Ali

ataggs wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

What an honor to be double teamed ! You should be proud Zoola for being most dangerous of factions .

I am proud, we managed to steal you away from DC and now they are both DC and EP are jealous!

Ok I will login and help farm them . Most trick or treaters are done now .

Minno

Well if you want a flip side of the coin, I help if I see manokin solo being chased by more EP. Dirty Nord drunks.

Though after playing Skyrim for a second run, my hatred for all elves is stronger lol.

Psilent

ataggs wrote: »

I used to think this talk was paranoia, but I had to check to see if AD had emp tonight as a reason for the DC / EP coordination. There was no emp, no back cap, just blue and red fighting not just at the same keep but next to each other. Mostly around Roe and Alessia.

I don't believe everyone in both factions is doing this, but it is hard to imagine that at least a couple of groups arent coordinating. I'll gladly take the hate and the rude comments because I know I'm not wrong on this. What I want to know is what the EP get out of this arrangement.

My group of EP was killing DC, just as much as AD tonight. Killed a group of AD at Glademist then fought some DC there as well. Went south and fought AD around Nikel and DC/AD around Ash. We also pushed Bleakers a few times and hit Aleswell; took Bruma back from AD.

Pretty much fought both factions equally. I will say, that AD did keep DC off EP, by taking Glademist and Dragonclaw. When I was in Cyrodiil tonight there wasn't the usual large fights between Chalman and Bleakers like I'm used to seeing, but I attribute that to a yellow Ash and Glademist.

fastolfv_ESO

few nights ago my guild hit fare to draw off ad from ash, and as we flipped the flags and moved into the inner cy a raid of ad and ep pushed in together not a single one attacking the other, after we bombed them they ressed at camps right next to each other and tryed to push in a second time together. All you can really blame are multifaction guilds and the ability to play on all 3 sides of 1 campaign. Now if your complaining about The late night ad zerg on halloween night that was all over bruma dclaw and everywhere else then you would have to be a fool to complain about fighting both ep and dc while in the middle of 2 alliances territory, thats like screaming team orange while on alessia bridge as dc

DHale

Honestly I have played AD PC na for 2 and a half years except for Haxus and invictus ep pop locked couldn't take a a keep maybe a resource .... maybe. DC has lots of good players. The number of actually good EP players I can name off the top of my head.

BRogueNZ

Curragraigue wrote: »

If the AP is juicy it is blood in the water for both factions.

Think that's part of it. At times there is very little else to do that's as entertaining as just having a rumble and derp.

The factions can't be taken seriously anyway, a lot of players and guilds swap from one to the other depending on their collective political mood.

pcar944

yeah and then there was EP running around *** and Ash last night not getting attacked by AD

stop this nonsense

I see my friends list and I see people constantly hop between all 3 alliances depending on whats going on around the map sometimes

ataggs

I don't know what happened in the north. Like I said this was in the south and it looked like an agreement between groups like you would have at a last emp keep.

Anazasi

We have all speculated on such clandestine adventures and at any point in the day you might fight small 2v4 fights that occur where you see DC and EP fight AD in small areas. However, during prime time you may find whole raids working in conjunction with each other. It appears to be a perception however, factions position themselves where they can take advantage of another factions offense. I try not to dwell on these occurrences to much. I was really shocked however last night when AD took Glademist twice and EP just couldnt get past Aleswell. I figured EP would have went for Warden but I suppose the alliance was too strong. What continues to baffle me is why DC and EP feel they need to stack so many in order to win. Yes i know that to is a perception thing. I am guilty of that as well. Well at least we can all say even with the all the hype of the new sets, procs, and abilities PVP is rolling along as intended. No shortage of players here.

Psilent

Oh boy

aidenmoore

Lollipop.

Minno

Anazasi wrote: »

We have all speculated on such clandestine adventures and at any point in the day you might fight small 2v4 fights that occur where you see DC and EP fight AD in small areas. However, during prime time you may find whole raids working in conjunction with each other. It appears to be a perception however, factions position themselves where they can take advantage of another factions offense. I try not to dwell on these occurrences to much. I was really shocked however last night when AD took Glademist twice and EP just couldnt get past Aleswell. I figured EP would have went for Warden but I suppose the alliance was too strong. What continues to baffle me is why DC and EP feel they need to stack so many in order to win. Yes i know that to is a perception thing. I am guilty of that as well. Well at least we can all say even with the all the hype of the new sets, procs, and abilities PVP is rolling along as intended. No shortage of players here.

Traditionally, the pvp shifts in phases. First being a solo player helps out by joining other solo players at the closest cross-swords. Second, a few of them realize they have close interests and form a loose guild. Third, a few or one develops leadership traits and starts to form groups. Fourth, the group eventually evolves to higher play and requires other similar groups to combat.

Aside from that, lately (but not unprecedented) a group of one faction will head to a keep that is burst in an effort to "steal" the win. Despite being highly annoying, its not wrong for "vulture-crews" to steal a hard earned win from another faction. At first glance this tactic might seem like one faction is helping another, but it's further from the truth.

Unless, they don't attack each other all fight, it's most likely a 3-way battle and this type of fighting was never done in previous patches without the huge lag. Now you can have higher numbers at a keep without the performance being like it used to. We have new tactics to try to overcome.

And please, all factions, teach the pugs to use oil catapult and lighting ballista at breach defense.

Zaldan

given the changes to ESO and PVP specifically ZO$ might as well remove factions from PVP entirely, when you que for a campaign just choose red,blue or yellow and enter regardless of alliance

Anazasi

Zaldan wrote: »

given the changes to ESO and PVP specifically ZO$ might as well remove factions from PVP entirely, when you que for a campaign just choose red,blue or yellow and enter regardless of alliance

Interesting idea unfortunately I think it would break the story line golden rules. Although one could see this as a valid direction zos is moving towards slowly.

pcar944

you can't remove alliance and let people choose who they log in because that will lopside the population and unless you are a masochist you will just change your color to winning side

its bad enough with multi-faction guilds and toons

but locking accounts in and not letting log in on alts in the same campaign is also crappy because if you are not in a guild or don't have a legit group that may choose to switch alliances, you are *** out of luck

Lucky28

Anazasi wrote: »

We have all speculated on such clandestine adventures and at any point in the day you might fight small 2v4 fights that occur where you see DC and EP fight AD in small areas. However, during prime time you may find whole raids working in conjunction with each other. It appears to be a perception however, factions position themselves where they can take advantage of another factions offense. I try not to dwell on these occurrences to much. I was really shocked however last night when AD took Glademist twice and EP just couldnt get past Aleswell. I figured EP would have went for Warden but I suppose the alliance was too strong. What continues to baffle me is why DC and EP feel they need to stack so many in order to win. Yes i know that to is a perception thing. I am guilty of that as well. Well at least we can all say even with the all the hype of the new sets, procs, and abilities PVP is rolling along as intended. No shortage of players here.

all three factions stack grotesque numbers, i assure you.

Aside from that. the problem is EP is not competitive right now. there was a time EP actually tried. but trying to mitigate the losses during oceanic (when EP doesn't have any guilds on at all) at prime time only, just burnt people out.

Joy_Division

Zoola!

EP has come is last place - by a lot - for what seems like forever now. If we are cooperating with DC and reviving the so-called purple alliance, then we suck even more than the last place score would indicate.

As a fairly frequent regular who logs on EP, I will tell you what is a typical routine night entails.

1. Oh, look DC has Chalman. Again. What a surprise.
2. Random calls in zone chat saying take chalman.
3. 15 people show up to chalman, get wiped bu 50 DC defenders.
4. Hey, look at the Bridge, let's go there and have some fun!
5. ****Stays there for 2 hours because wiping at Chalman is no fun and no AP*****
6. DC get bored waiting at Chalman, either come to bridge or see all the AD @ Bridge and attack Roe/Faregyl.
7. Purple Alliance in effect!

Rohamad_Ali

I think the truth of the matter may just be most of the old PvP guilds are gone and several of the remaining guilds are multi alliance . It's a factor I believe contributing mostly to why certain factions can control the map so easily . I think the problems of PvP have left many bored so they jump around as they like .

No big deal really . Just a symptom of PvP becoming less new player friendly and others leaving for better balanced games . It's probably not a "plot" as others might think but more a symptom of ESO PvP never getting the attention it really needed in time .

Elong

What a strange thread.

NBrookus

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Joy_Division wrote: »

Zoola!

EP has come is last place - by a lot - for what seems like forever now. If we are cooperating with DC and reviving the so-called purple alliance, then we suck even more than the last place score would indicate.

As a fairly frequent regular who logs on EP, I will tell you what is a typical routine night entails.

1. Oh, look DC has Chalman. Again. What a surprise.
2. Random calls in zone chat saying take chalman.
3. 15 people show up to chalman, get wiped bu 50 DC defenders.
4. Hey, look at the Bridge, let's go there and have some fun!
5. ****Stays there for 2 hours because wiping at Chalman is no fun and no AP*****
6. DC get bored waiting at Chalman, either come to bridge or see all the AD @ Bridge and attack Roe/Faregyl.
7. Purple Alliance in effect!

You forgot one thing: If EP leaves the bridge, AD will immediately swarm Sej and BRK.

zyk

I find it odd that players are looking for an explanation that relates to the campaign score. It's all about AP.

AD was the first dominant faction. When that was established close to launch, many hyper-competitive players from EP and DC rerolled AD.

When AD's top PVP guild, DiE rerolled EP, many hyper-competitive players from AD and DC followed. This resulted in the most lopsided PVP in ESO's history for the full duration of 1.5. There was no competitive bona fide AvA for months. Instead, we had an unending farm. This is why EP has so many high ranking players.

From 1.6 to 2.2, DC became fashionable and the faction hoppers went there next.

IMO, the aftermath of this left AD with the greatest ratio of casual and ungrouped/unguilded "random" players. The EP and DC who appear to collude are probably just looking for the best farming opportunities.

I'm not being critical of objective play. I love objective-based gameplay. It's the only kind of PVP I really enjoy. Farming and dueling alone are boring to me. But the reality is that at an individual level, a playstyle focused on earning AP provides the greatest benefits and that's what most PVP enthusiasts (the ones who play the most with the best builds and gear) are actually interested in.

ataggs

Joy_Division wrote: »

Zoola!

EP has come is last place - by a lot - for what seems like forever now. If we are cooperating with DC and reviving the so-called purple alliance, then we suck even more than the last place score would indicate.

As a fairly frequent regular who logs on EP, I will tell you what is a typical routine night entails.

1. Oh, look DC has Chalman. Again. What a surprise.
2. Random calls in zone chat saying take chalman.
3. 15 people show up to chalman, get wiped bu 50 DC defenders.
4. Hey, look at the Bridge, let's go there and have some fun!
5. ****Stays there for 2 hours because wiping at Chalman is no fun and no AP*****
6. DC get bored waiting at Chalman, either come to bridge or see all the AD @ Bridge and attack Roe/Faregyl.
7. Purple Alliance in effect!

LOL! I promise I'm not making it up, Blue and Red holding hands in a breach and I think I heard "Kumbaya". I could be wrong, I don't hear so well when I'm dead.