Testing DPS question

SG_Celerrimus · October 2016

Hey all, I just made a new build and was wondering what a good way to test DPS currently is. Also, what is a relatively good range for DPS to be at, 20k single target?

Mic1007 · October 2016

Meh - 15k

Okay - 20k

Decent - 25k

Good - 30k

Great - 35k

Awesome - 40k

Insane - 50k

Stam DK for sure - 60k

xeNNNNN · October 2016

Mic1007 wrote: »

Meh - 15k

Okay - 20k

Decent - 25k

Good - 30k

Great - 35k

Awesome - 40k

Insane - 50k

Stam DK for sure - 60k

50-60k single target?

You sure that isnt with the healer babysitting with buffs or buffed AoE? otherwise id like to know with what people are getting a consistant 50-60k

most of the people i know only manage 40k, 45k at a push without the healer babysitting.

Mic1007 · October 2016

xeNNNNN wrote: »

Mic1007 wrote: »

Meh - 15k

Okay - 20k

Decent - 25k

Good - 30k

Great - 35k

Awesome - 40k

Insane - 50k

Stam DK for sure - 60k

50-60k single target?

You sure that isnt with the healer babysitting with buffs or buffed AoE? otherwise id like to know with what people are getting a consistant 50-60k

most of the people i know only manage 40k, 45k at a push without the healer babysitting.

Can't be sure, really. That's just what I've deduced from everyone else on these forums.

SolarCat02 · October 2016

I asked the same question recently. Many of the numbers given are with outside buffs - basically, the sorts of numbers you find in Trials runs.

Basically anything over 30k single target (Bloodspawn) without outside buffs is phenomenal, while 20k is pretty solid.

Publius_Scipio · October 2016

60k damage per second!!!??? You slapping your enemies in the face with irresistible fall damage?

Bao1340 · October 2016

How do i test my dps on ps4?

ryanborror · October 2016

Bao1340 wrote: »

How do i test my dps on ps4?

By timing how long it takes to kill a statiovary boss

Juhasow · October 2016

xeNNNNN wrote: »

Mic1007 wrote: »

Meh - 15k

Okay - 20k

Decent - 25k

Good - 30k

Great - 35k

Awesome - 40k

Insane - 50k

Stam DK for sure - 60k

50-60k single target?

You sure that isnt with the healer babysitting with buffs or buffed AoE? otherwise id like to know with what people are getting a consistant 50-60k

most of the people i know only manage 40k, 45k at a push without the healer babysitting.

Warhorn, combat, prayer, infaible aether, spell poweer cure and few other buffs with uptime 70%+

Foxic · October 2016

xeNNNNN wrote: »

Mic1007 wrote: »

Meh - 15k

Okay - 20k

Decent - 25k

Good - 30k

Great - 35k

Awesome - 40k

Insane - 50k

Stam DK for sure - 60k

50-60k single target?

You sure that isnt with the healer babysitting with buffs or buffed AoE? otherwise id like to know with what people are getting a consistant 50-60k

most of the people i know only manage 40k, 45k at a push without the healer babysitting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvJjII4zPfA

This is pre maelstrom weapon nerf. But yes its possible. However if you judge a dps on its single target damage, all of the top raids would be full of stam dks and stam sorc. When the reality is, i dont think theres a single stam build in the top 3 raid groups right now

BlackEar · October 2016

Magicka classes have for the most part the benefit of ranged and better aoe dmg

ryanborror · October 2016

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

xeNNNNN wrote: »

Mic1007 wrote: »

Meh - 15k

Okay - 20k

Decent - 25k

Good - 30k

Great - 35k

Awesome - 40k

Insane - 50k

Stam DK for sure - 60k

50-60k single target?

You sure that isnt with the healer babysitting with buffs or buffed AoE? otherwise id like to know with what people are getting a consistant 50-60k

most of the people i know only manage 40k, 45k at a push without the healer babysitting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvJjII4zPfA

This is pre maelstrom weapon nerf. But yes its possible. However if you judge a dps on its single target damage, all of the top raids would be full of stam dks and stam sorc. When the reality is, i dont think theres a single stam build in the top 3 raid groups right now

Except alcast that you just linked. But really, guilds pushing hard mode scores run with very few Stam players

Destruent · October 2016

ryanborror wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

xeNNNNN wrote: »

Mic1007 wrote: »

Meh - 15k

Okay - 20k

Decent - 25k

Good - 30k

Great - 35k

Awesome - 40k

Insane - 50k

Stam DK for sure - 60k

50-60k single target?

You sure that isnt with the healer babysitting with buffs or buffed AoE? otherwise id like to know with what people are getting a consistant 50-60k

most of the people i know only manage 40k, 45k at a push without the healer babysitting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvJjII4zPfA

This is pre maelstrom weapon nerf. But yes its possible. However if you judge a dps on its single target damage, all of the top raids would be full of stam dks and stam sorc. When the reality is, i dont think theres a single stam build in the top 3 raid groups right now

Except alcast that you just linked. But really, guilds pushing hard mode scores run with very few Stam players

Alcast plays Magplar atm (i think hodor doesn't have any stambuilds in their core-group anymore). And we use Stambuilds for alkosh-buffing (1 or 2 at max). Magplar, Mag-DK and Mag-Sorc do insane-ST-DPS atm while providing better survivability (shields) and better AoE.

Lord_Eomer · October 2016

What should your DPS spam main skill should do burst damage?

I am aware about using skills in rotation, just wanted to check mine main DPS skill damage.

xblackroxe · October 2016

Destruent wrote: »

ryanborror wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

xeNNNNN wrote: »

Mic1007 wrote: »

Meh - 15k

Okay - 20k

Decent - 25k

Good - 30k

Great - 35k

Awesome - 40k

Insane - 50k

Stam DK for sure - 60k

50-60k single target?

You sure that isnt with the healer babysitting with buffs or buffed AoE? otherwise id like to know with what people are getting a consistant 50-60k

most of the people i know only manage 40k, 45k at a push without the healer babysitting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvJjII4zPfA

This is pre maelstrom weapon nerf. But yes its possible. However if you judge a dps on its single target damage, all of the top raids would be full of stam dks and stam sorc. When the reality is, i dont think theres a single stam build in the top 3 raid groups right now

Except alcast that you just linked. But really, guilds pushing hard mode scores run with very few Stam players

Alcast plays Magplar atm (i think hodor doesn't have any stambuilds in their core-group anymore). And we use Stambuilds for alkosh-buffing (1 or 2 at max). Magplar, Mag-DK and Mag-Sorc do insane-ST-DPS atm while providing better survivability (shields) and better AoE.

Yes no stamina in the group atm. Just not worth it.

Unsent.Soul · October 2016

My first and only dps test we did on bloodspawn. Had a dk tank just using aggro skill to taunt, and healer tossing heals. Had no outside buffs other than what I could bring to the table.

Used magNB with 2x skoria, 5x TBS, 3x willpower. Crafted inferno destro staff on both bars.

I pulled 20k dps, other guild mates were seconds faster or slower.

I could only imagine with proper buffs and some sorting out on my end what I could pull.

Sadly, last couple weeks I've researched magNB are not nearly as fast as other magicka classes with dps test.

NB might be on the back burner for awhile...

Ayantir · October 2016

You forget :

Basic Players - 10k

Few of my Guildmates - 5k

Izaki · October 2016

Mic1007 wrote: »

Meh - 15k

Okay - 20k

Decent - 25k

Good - 30k

Great - 35k

Awesome - 40k

Insane - 50k

Stam DK for sure - 60k

Magicka Templar and Magicka Sorcerer pull more DPS than a Stam DK..............

OrphanHelgen · October 2016

Mic1007 wrote: »

Meh - 15k

Okay - 20k

Decent - 25k

Good - 30k

Great - 35k

Awesome - 40k

Insane - 50k

Stam DK for sure - 60k

Stam dk's dont get 60k dps anymore. Maybe with all buffs including sunderflame, and a healer that babysits him with combat prayer. and he can use precice weapons instead of sharpend. But that would be insane in this magicka meta patch anyway.

Publius_Scipio · October 2016

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Mic1007 wrote: »

Meh - 15k

Okay - 20k

Decent - 25k

Good - 30k

Great - 35k

Awesome - 40k

Insane - 50k

Stam DK for sure - 60k

Stam dk's dont get 60k dps anymore. Maybe with all buffs including sunderflame, and a healer that babysits him with combat prayer. and he can use precice weapons instead of sharpend. But that would be insane in this magicka meta patch anyway.

Magica meta? Everyone complaining that stamina is OP in comparison to magica.

Smasherx74 · October 2016

accurate DPS measurements that aren't based on a small window of luck don't hit above 50k.

45k is about the best you can possible do legitimately in a 1-2min dps phase.

Destruent · October 2016

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Mic1007 wrote: »

Meh - 15k

Okay - 20k

Decent - 25k

Good - 30k

Great - 35k

Awesome - 40k

Insane - 50k

Stam DK for sure - 60k

Stam dk's dont get 60k dps anymore. Maybe with all buffs including sunderflame, and a healer that babysits him with combat prayer. and he can use precice weapons instead of sharpend. But that would be insane in this magicka meta patch anyway.

Magica meta? Everyone complaining that stamina is OP in comparison to magica.

PvE-wise that's just wrong.

Smasherx74 wrote: »

accurate DPS measurements that aren't based on a small window of luck don't hit above 50k.

45k is about the best you can possible do legitimately in a 1-2min dps phase.

lol...you are not running trials with good groups, do you?

SolarCat02 · October 2016

xblackroxe wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

ryanborror wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

xeNNNNN wrote: »

Mic1007 wrote: »

Meh - 15k

Okay - 20k

Decent - 25k

Good - 30k

Great - 35k

Awesome - 40k

Insane - 50k

Stam DK for sure - 60k

50-60k single target?

You sure that isnt with the healer babysitting with buffs or buffed AoE? otherwise id like to know with what people are getting a consistant 50-60k

most of the people i know only manage 40k, 45k at a push without the healer babysitting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvJjII4zPfA

This is pre maelstrom weapon nerf. But yes its possible. However if you judge a dps on its single target damage, all of the top raids would be full of stam dks and stam sorc. When the reality is, i dont think theres a single stam build in the top 3 raid groups right now

Except alcast that you just linked. But really, guilds pushing hard mode scores run with very few Stam players

Alcast plays Magplar atm (i think hodor doesn't have any stambuilds in their core-group anymore). And we use Stambuilds for alkosh-buffing (1 or 2 at max). Magplar, Mag-DK and Mag-Sorc do insane-ST-DPS atm while providing better survivability (shields) and better AoE.

Yes no stamina in the group atm. Just not worth it.

For my own edification, I am wondering the reason behind this?

By my understanding right now, magicka and stamina are about on par with each other damage-wise. That it is easier to get high dps numbers with magicka, but a highly skilled stamina player can get slightly higher numbers.

So I am guessing that magicka is preferred because they have more self-defense / self-sustain options while still being able to range attack (so can spread out or stack), while stamina is either stuck in melee (so have to stack on boss) or takes a dps drop to switch to bow?

Mic1007 · October 2016

SolarCat02 wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

ryanborror wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

xeNNNNN wrote: »

Mic1007 wrote: »

Meh - 15k

Okay - 20k

Decent - 25k

Good - 30k

Great - 35k

Awesome - 40k

Insane - 50k

Stam DK for sure - 60k

50-60k single target?

You sure that isnt with the healer babysitting with buffs or buffed AoE? otherwise id like to know with what people are getting a consistant 50-60k

most of the people i know only manage 40k, 45k at a push without the healer babysitting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvJjII4zPfA

This is pre maelstrom weapon nerf. But yes its possible. However if you judge a dps on its single target damage, all of the top raids would be full of stam dks and stam sorc. When the reality is, i dont think theres a single stam build in the top 3 raid groups right now

Except alcast that you just linked. But really, guilds pushing hard mode scores run with very few Stam players

Alcast plays Magplar atm (i think hodor doesn't have any stambuilds in their core-group anymore). And we use Stambuilds for alkosh-buffing (1 or 2 at max). Magplar, Mag-DK and Mag-Sorc do insane-ST-DPS atm while providing better survivability (shields) and better AoE.

Yes no stamina in the group atm. Just not worth it.

For my own edification, I am wondering the reason behind this?

By my understanding right now, magicka and stamina are about on par with each other damage-wise. That it is easier to get high dps numbers with magicka, but a highly skilled stamina player can get slightly higher numbers.

So I am guessing that magicka is preferred because they have more self-defense / self-sustain options while still being able to range attack (so can spread out or stack), while stamina is either stuck in melee (so have to stack on boss) or takes a dps drop to switch to bow?

Nailed it on the coffin.

Reorx_Holybeard · October 2016

Mic1007 wrote: »

Meh - 15k
Okay - 20k
Decent - 25k
Good - 30k
Great - 35k
Awesome - 40k
Insane - 50k
Stam DK for sure - 60k

I think you need to quality that you'd expect to see this in a prepared and well-run end-game trials group. You're typical player in a PUG dungeon is not going to be doing that. I consider myself lucky if the DPS in a PUG veteran dungeon does more than 10k DPS in a single target boss fight. Most vet dungeons are doable at this level if a "little" slow and tedious for some fights. Most PUG dungeons won't have most of the buffs/debuffs you see in a good trials group. I know that as a healer I run SPC, Combat Prayer and Warhorn but that appears to be the exception in your typical PUG.

Based on what I've seen in the past few weeks the average DPS I see in a PUG does somewhere around 15k. Once you reach 20k DPS then most dungeons become "easy". Of course on the flip side I've gotten into groups where the combined DPS of the 3 other members in a boss fight is under 5k...that makes things a little difficult.

Btw, if any of you 30-60k DPS want to try PUGing it to increase the average success rate of a PUG please feel free...:)

SolarCat02 · October 2016

Mic1007 wrote: »

SolarCat02 wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

ryanborror wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

xeNNNNN wrote: »

Mic1007 wrote: »

Meh - 15k

Okay - 20k

Decent - 25k

Good - 30k

Great - 35k

Awesome - 40k

Insane - 50k

Stam DK for sure - 60k

50-60k single target?

You sure that isnt with the healer babysitting with buffs or buffed AoE? otherwise id like to know with what people are getting a consistant 50-60k

most of the people i know only manage 40k, 45k at a push without the healer babysitting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvJjII4zPfA

This is pre maelstrom weapon nerf. But yes its possible. However if you judge a dps on its single target damage, all of the top raids would be full of stam dks and stam sorc. When the reality is, i dont think theres a single stam build in the top 3 raid groups right now

Except alcast that you just linked. But really, guilds pushing hard mode scores run with very few Stam players

Alcast plays Magplar atm (i think hodor doesn't have any stambuilds in their core-group anymore). And we use Stambuilds for alkosh-buffing (1 or 2 at max). Magplar, Mag-DK and Mag-Sorc do insane-ST-DPS atm while providing better survivability (shields) and better AoE.

Yes no stamina in the group atm. Just not worth it.

For my own edification, I am wondering the reason behind this?

By my understanding right now, magicka and stamina are about on par with each other damage-wise. That it is easier to get high dps numbers with magicka, but a highly skilled stamina player can get slightly higher numbers.

So I am guessing that magicka is preferred because they have more self-defense / self-sustain options while still being able to range attack (so can spread out or stack), while stamina is either stuck in melee (so have to stack on boss) or takes a dps drop to switch to bow?

Nailed it on the coffin.

Thank you!

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · October 2016

Mic1007 wrote: »

Meh - 15k

Okay - 20k

Decent - 25k

Good - 30k

Great - 35k

Awesome - 40k

Insane - 50k

Stam DK for sure - 60k

I finally hit the 20k-25k range and I am proud of that because I used to only get 10k-15k. Just need to farm for my second set and hopefully I can increase it even more.

OrphanHelgen · October 2016

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Mic1007 wrote: »

Meh - 15k

Okay - 20k

Decent - 25k

Good - 30k

Great - 35k

Awesome - 40k

Insane - 50k

Stam DK for sure - 60k

Stam dk's dont get 60k dps anymore. Maybe with all buffs including sunderflame, and a healer that babysits him with combat prayer. and he can use precice weapons instead of sharpend. But that would be insane in this magicka meta patch anyway.

Magica meta? Everyone complaining that stamina is OP in comparison to magica.

They have no clue in that case

Foxic · October 2016

SolarCat02 wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

ryanborror wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

xeNNNNN wrote: »

Mic1007 wrote: »

Meh - 15k

Okay - 20k

Decent - 25k

Good - 30k

Great - 35k

Awesome - 40k

Insane - 50k

Stam DK for sure - 60k

50-60k single target?

You sure that isnt with the healer babysitting with buffs or buffed AoE? otherwise id like to know with what people are getting a consistant 50-60k

most of the people i know only manage 40k, 45k at a push without the healer babysitting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvJjII4zPfA

This is pre maelstrom weapon nerf. But yes its possible. However if you judge a dps on its single target damage, all of the top raids would be full of stam dks and stam sorc. When the reality is, i dont think theres a single stam build in the top 3 raid groups right now

Except alcast that you just linked. But really, guilds pushing hard mode scores run with very few Stam players

Alcast plays Magplar atm (i think hodor doesn't have any stambuilds in their core-group anymore). And we use Stambuilds for alkosh-buffing (1 or 2 at max). Magplar, Mag-DK and Mag-Sorc do insane-ST-DPS atm while providing better survivability (shields) and better AoE.

Yes no stamina in the group atm. Just not worth it.

For my own edification, I am wondering the reason behind this?

By my understanding right now, magicka and stamina are about on par with each other damage-wise. That it is easier to get high dps numbers with magicka, but a highly skilled stamina player can get slightly higher numbers.

So I am guessing that magicka is preferred because they have more self-defense / self-sustain options while still being able to range attack (so can spread out or stack), while stamina is either stuck in melee (so have to stack on boss) or takes a dps drop to switch to bow?

Mostly, also to add, a lot of trial strategies rely on letting ground dots kill adds while focusing the boss down (eg rakkhat vet and hardmode). Stamina doesnt have the ground dots to do that

DschiPeunt · October 2016

Our stam DKs still hit over 50k DPS on manticora. They don't do as much AoE as the magicka builds, but have really strong single-target DPS. It's about the right mix of the group.

Flameheart · October 2016

Mic1007 wrote: »

Meh - 15k

Okay - 20k

Decent - 25k

Good - 30k

Great - 35k

Awesome - 40k

Insane - 50k

For those scores you need to remember a few things:

Numbers of 40k+ you will achieve only with BiS gear in high skilled progress raids, where people know what they do, where every buff and boss debuff is available with a high uptime (especially warhorn in a warhorn rota) and support for ressources is available and where people run a perfect rota with weaving every single skill (not just the dps-spamskill) and where people just synergize everything.

If you are able to to get 30k+ single target dps with a BiS (or almost BiS) geared magicka DD in a well trained 4-men-guild-group (with 2 x warhorn, tank and healer) in a straight forward boss fight without much time loss for moving, positioning, blocking etc., you should be able to call yourself a really good player already. 25k+ single target dps in a well performing 4-men group isn't bad at all too. The new vet hard mode pledge bosses are really good dps puppets now, because they have a ton of health (5 Million+) which gives a reasonable time window for dps tests and demand ressource control and at least some concentration to keep up a rota. Taking down a crematorium guard in WGT within 15 seconds is not a dps test.

Not to mention, that boss encounters are different, some involve more moving, positioning, target switching and other duties and some involve adds, because those adds are just part of the boss encounter and mechanics (vMoL for example). Adds blow up dps scores, but I think it's wrong to separate them from dps score sheets, because they are an inherent part of the encounter. Adds and add dps have different impact for different classes/builds though, because AoE dps and AoE splash dps and the opportunity (positioning) to deal AoE dps might be different.

It's most unlikely that you ever will get big scores (30k+) in a generic PUG, because my usual experience is:

-no Elemental Drain (and if you have no tank or an auxiliary tank who does just taunt with Inner Rage, you will miss Major Breach)
-no Siphon Soul
-maybe a spear here and there
-no bubbles
-no Warhorn