Having Two Accounts - Naughty or Nice?

Nighn_9

itehache wrote: »

May I ask why would you want to have 2 accounts?

Not trolling, I'm really curious.

personal guild banks bro

ookami007

So, as long as I run two characters from the two accounts on separate computers MANUALLY (using hands, feet, etc), I'm fine.

Unless ZoS decides to look into me, in which case I probably have no way to prove that it was manual and not software or hardware.

Great. /sarcasm

nine9six

itehache wrote: »

May I ask why would you want to have 2 accounts?

Not trolling, I'm really curious.

Get 10 and have your own Personal Guild Banks + Mules.

Not really needed as much now that they have Crafting Bags, but still nice.

Annalyse

itehache wrote: »

May I ask why would you want to have 2 accounts?

Not trolling, I'm really curious.

For me personally, I just have no storage space and no amount of begging has made ZOS add more bank space so I have been using alts to store things that I would rather be playing. But I wouldn't want to have to log completely out of one account to get stored stuff so I wanted to be clear on whether it was allowed to open a second account and trade between characters. I would have no intention of actually playing both aside from quick trades, and wouldn't use any sort of software.

It also opens up more character slots for the future, and I am forever making alts so that would be beneficial too. I actually quite like the idea of starting from scratch without CPs again.

imredneckson

ookami007 wrote: »

Can we have multiple accounts without breaking the ToS?

Yep I have two accounts

Elsonso

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

Per this, running multiple accounts at once is prohibited with or without tools

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/23701/kw/multiple accounts/session/L2F2LzEvdGltZS8xNDc3NzYwMTQ4L3NpZC9kc2FDbGsybg==

Yes, I have seen that, yet the ToS does not prohibit being logged into the game world simultaneously on multiple accounts. Neither does the knowledge base article.

It is nearly impossible to multibox ESO without the use of programs that are a violation of the EULA and ToS and could result in being banned from the game. Playing multiple characters at the same time with the way ESO combat works? That is very suspect and likely to result in a ban since it would require some level of automated play. This is what the knowledge base article is about.

If they want to update the ToS to prevent being logged into the game world simultaneously from multiple accounts, update the knowledge base articles (two of them), or even pop in here and elaborate beyond what the knowledge base says to make this more clear, that would be welcome. However, there are useful reasons to be logged into the game simultaneously having nothing to do with "influence or advantage Your playing abilities," or even gameplay mechanics, and do not violate the hardware or software third-party assistance or account sharing restrictions.

Stamden

UrQuan wrote: »

itehache wrote: »

May I ask why would you want to have 2 accounts?

Not trolling, I'm really curious.

Most of the people I know with multiple accounts (myself included) have them in order to get more characters. Along with that of course you also get more storage space, between the bank and the inventories of those additional characters.

There are other benefits too. If you're running around far from a bank/merchant and your inventory is full, you can bounce mail off your other account.

You can collect the different possible daily quests on the characters on your other account so that if you want to do all of the dailies of a particular character on your main account you just need to group with the characters on your other account to share the quests (I've got characters on my 2nd and 3rd accounts sitting on each of the 15 different dailies for each of the 3 original NPC guilds).

If you want to solo something that requires 2 characters to stand on different pressure plates or whatever you can do that (although I find it to be a pain to try to actually do stuff that requires me to be logged on to 2 accounts at the same time without having 1 of the characters I'm on just parked in a city).

Damn dude, that's some next level ***. I'm impressed.

newtinmpls

ookami007 wrote: »

Can we have multiple accounts without breaking the ToS?

Yes. I have run two accounts, both subbed, for .... jeez over two years.

Finally on the "second" account I've gotten someone to vet/CP. Still only have 3 vets...maybe 4/9 on my first account.

But I suspect it would be illegal for me to be "on" both accounts at once (i.e. running two computers). That doesn't seem fair or right.

newtinmpls

itehache wrote: »

May I ask why would you want to have 2 accounts?

Not trolling, I'm really curious.

Um... I started with a character intended to marry my spouses character. He had twin brother altmers, so I rolled up sisters... then an apprentice/friend of the sisters... basically a long string of characters that made sense in terms of RP and storytelling.

They all have backgrounds and stories and so far I have 9 on one account and 8 on the other. Slowly buying other slots.

Runs

I've been searching for a bit now. I'm fairly sure I have read multiple times from ZOS they don't want them played at the same time. But the only thing remotely close to that I have found is from this thread.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Ah, one more thing. While technically having multiple accounts is not against our Terms of Use, we find that it is nearly impossible to multibox ESO without the use of programs that are a violation of our EULA and TOU and will result in being banned from the game. So, multiple accounts? Totally fine. Playing multiple characters at the same time with the way our combat works? Very suspect and likely to result in a ban since it would require some level of automated play.

So, from that I take it you can't be fighting in combat with multiple accounts at the same time.

But this is still ultra easy to exploit the crap out of. Group with your alt accounts have them sit still in stealth while you AOE farm monsters around them. They will get free exp, and will get drops from the mobs which translates to easy gold from leather droppers via refining for Dreugh Wax.

I can't see that being allowed and would like ZOS clarification on it.

Elsonso

Runs wrote: »

I've been searching for a bit now. I'm fairly sure I have read multiple times from ZOS they don't want them played at the same time. But the only thing remotely close to that I have found is from this thread.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Ah, one more thing. While technically having multiple accounts is not against our Terms of Use, we find that it is nearly impossible to multibox ESO without the use of programs that are a violation of our EULA and TOU and will result in being banned from the game. So, multiple accounts? Totally fine. Playing multiple characters at the same time with the way our combat works? Very suspect and likely to result in a ban since it would require some level of automated play.

So, from that I take it you can't be fighting in combat with multiple accounts at the same time.

But this is still ultra easy to exploit the crap out of. Group with your alt accounts have them sit still in stealth while you AOE farm monsters around them. They will get free exp, and will get drops from the mobs which translates to easy gold from leather droppers via refining for Dreugh Wax.

I can't see that being allowed and would like ZOS clarification on it.

Whether one character, or more, certain behavior is simply against the ToS. I would like to see what ZOS says, as two players playing two characters can legally do that. Still, I agree in that I would never do this.

ookami007

I still think playing a second character using your toes should be allowed... but you have to STREAM your toes on the keyboard and mouse while playing this way!

helediron

Playing two accounts simultaneously and multiboxing are different things. TOS denies only multiboxing.

In multiboxing player uses same controllers like keyboard and mouse to move multiple accounts at the same time. If one "Move Forward" moves all accounts, it's multiboxing and against TOS. If the player uses same controllers but have to switch focus between windows, they are played separately. That is not multiboxing. The controllers move character only in one window.

For me the original reason for multiple accounts was inventory management for crafting. Later i moved writ crafting to second account and third was for mules. Then came bank assistants and crafting bag. Now first account is only for end game characters, second is top tier crafting and third is lower level writs and unbound gear mules.

newtinmpls

helediron wrote: »

For me the original reason for multiple accounts was inventory management for crafting.

For me it was always "more characters".

I still play both accounts, but not having two heads (to direct actions and RP) and four hands (to work the keyboards) I only ever play one account at a time.

Lumbermill_Emperor

i launched twoTESO simultaneously
one by main user another by command like
runas /savecred /user:"second" "C:\Program Files (x86)\Zenimax Online\The Elder Scrolls Online\game\client\eso.exe"

and i put one character on one account in group with another
i put him dead o the ground
and while im grinding with my main, newbie acocunt getting exp and levele to 50 pretty quick

and so, you said i will be banned for this? no way
its not multiboxing

UrQuan

newtinmpls wrote: »

helediron wrote: »

For me the original reason for multiple accounts was inventory management for crafting.

For me it was always "more characters".

Me too. My original reason for getting my second account was that there were 10 playable races and only 8 character slots. From there it was a downward spiral into altaholism.

Takes-No-Prisoner

itehache wrote: »

May I ask why would you want to have 2 accounts?

Not trolling, I'm really curious.

I was in a group yesterday and a gentlemen told me that he knew someone that had maxed out characters on one account then just opened another so they could make more characters. Some folks can get through the grind of making multiple characters they want. That way if they feel like playing a type of character, they can just long in and go. I am kind of the same way with my 8 characters, frankly I need to look into a mule soon since I have soo many dropped sets taking up space.

SolarCat02

By the TOS, you can have ten accounts if you want, put each one in the same guild, and have a personal guild bank of 500 slots. That's legal.

I have been logged into two accounts at the same time on Console (we have two Xbox), with the character on my main account hiding, and me on the headset on the other account laughing as the guild tried to find me to claim the monetary surprise. (Can't have the green speech bubble giving me away, after all!) That's fine.

My husband used to have two accounts in Asheron's Call, with one of them scripted with macros to follow and support his main account. (Heals and buffs mostly, with ranged firepower support if neither was needed). It programmed with a looting priority, too, and he could run both at the same time on one computer. This was legal in Asheron's Call, but would not be legal in ESO. If you want your own personal healbot here, you need to make a friend.

Tomg999

Annalyse wrote: »

So is this definitely how it works? I was toying with the idea of getting a second account mostly to use as mules, so that I could log that account and trade to my other characters when they needed stuff rather than having to store stuff on the characters that I play. But I was concerned that it might be against the rules to have both open at one time (even though I would only be trading stuff).

A cool thing about using a second account as mules is you can mail stuff back and forth, so neither char has to run to the bank in order to move stuff.
You do have to log in & out tho.

Recremen

As far as I know you can be logged into multiple accounts at the same time, but you can't actually have all of your characters performing actions at the same time. So moving every individual character must be done manually, performing any combat action must be done manually, etc. Basically when you are in combat with one character, your others had better darn be standing still, vapid and vacant, or it's pretty obvious that you're doing naughty things with hardware or software. On the other hand, and again this is only as far as I have been able to discern, you could totally have them logged in at the same to to bounce mail, teleport to group member, RP, or take close-up screenshots of your handsome Orc main, etc.