Champion Points: Please Stop

TalonKnight · March 2017

Honestly Im glad this post was here, cause basically catching up with other players CP level is becoming a complete chore, and if is not completely removed ZOS needs to seriously increase the rate of which it is gained.

I think I ran a few dungeons today, and farmed some zombies for a total play time of 2 and 1/2, or 3 hours, and got like 3 cp.

The cap keeps increasing and me, and my girlfriend cannot seem to keep up with casual play.

Dont feel like writing a 2 page essay, but the person that started this topic has covered things really well.

my cp is 400 ish, and hers is high 200 somethin. Been playing on, and off since beta, she has been playing on, and off for a few years.

Anyway this CP fiasco thing is getting really out of hand....

Agalloch · March 2017

CP is all about progression . U can gain very easy CP points these days.

People who complain maybe didnt play a MMO before. We can't be all the same ..we are not in communism.

A newcomer can't be like a veteran , period.

Kobiwan_shinobi · March 2017

CP is broken

Runs · March 2017

TalonKnight wrote: »

Honestly Im glad this post was here, cause basically catching up with other players CP level is becoming a complete chore, and if is not completely removed ZOS needs to seriously increase the rate of which it is gained.

They already did this, multiple times over.

You have access to training gear, and to potions which increase your exp by up to 150%, and there is the catch up mechanics. My next CP costs me 930k+ exp. How much does your next CP cost you?

mariskaas · March 2017

I agree that skill is more important than CP but they are not completely useless. Nevertheless I won't kick someone when I PUG based on points, if we get wiped a lot and they don't listen to advice, that's when you kick them not before even seeing what they can do...

Arkangeloski · March 2017

Amen!

Travestynox · March 2017

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

Cp just buffs already good players

And that's the problem.

JinMori · March 2017

Travestynox wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

Cp just buffs already good players

And that's the problem.

How is that a problem? If you are not as good you won't get the same results, get ovet it, this is not communism, you don't get it all just because you exist.

Duiwel · March 2017

Was this thread truly worth a necro?

Asardes · March 2017

From what I've seen CP are gained too easily, with little emphasis on actually learning how to play. I've grouped with plenty of people that were over CP400 and were total scrubs. The most blatant example of this was a group with two CP600 and one CP570 recruited from zone chat for a VWGT pledge run. The first trash pull took forever to clear, and at the adjudicator the group wiped 3 times in a row with > 60% health remaining on the boss. According to Combat Metrics the total average group DPS was about 27K of which I, as tank, was pulling 4-5K purely from various DoTs, heroic slash, pierce armor, heavy attack weaving. Horn uptime was > 70% as I can pull one of those every 45-50s. I can't say how much the healer was pulling, but even saying he was pulling 0 DPS, the DDs averaged no more than 11K each. I can pull about 15K by spamming heavy destro attacks and keeping a DoT under the target, with no proc sets. It boggles the mind how people can grind CP600 and be that bad.

bloodthirstyvampire · March 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

The more important thing is WHERE you put your cp. No fixing stupid either, saw a cp 250 dps stand in the snake aoe and heal the boss to 100% 5 times till we kicked him.

Did you tell him what he was doing

Merlin13KAGL · March 2017

TalonKnight wrote: »

Honestly Im glad this post was here, cause basically catching up with other players CP level is becoming a complete chore, and if is not completely removed ZOS needs to seriously increase the rate of which it is gained.

I think I ran a few dungeons today, and farmed some zombies for a total play time of 2 and 1/2, or 3 hours, and got like 3 cp.

The cap keeps increasing and me, and my girlfriend cannot seem to keep up with casual play.

my cp is 400 ish, and hers is high 200 somethin. Been playing on, and off since beta, she has been playing on, and off for a few years.

There is already a catchup mechanic - that 3cp a day you're earning is probably 5 for your gf, and <1 for someone at cap.

You can certainly gain it well faster than the rate they increase it. What 30 pts every 3-6 months?

One daily pledge will burn through a day's worth of enlightenment, coupled with the XP's you get from killing the mobs.

Why would you expect to be able to max out with casual play?

Drummerx04 · March 2017

I'm a little surprised to see this one get necroed from 5 months ago. I was a little off with my assertions on exactly how much damage CP gets you (I did a little more thorough testing). Given the resource increases with CP the overall damage gained from 0 to capped CP is probably closer to 100%, which again if you are dealing only 10k dps at 0 cp, you won't suddenly be dealing 50k on a single target if you were dropped onto someone else's cp 600 character.

As of some of these recent patches, there are target dummies which you can get (or share with a friend) and probably hundreds of people online at a given time that wouldn't mind taking 10 minutes to show you a reasonable build and rotation for pve, especially if you offered them some gold.

TalonKnight wrote: »

Honestly Im glad this post was here, cause basically catching up with other players CP level is becoming a complete chore, and if is not completely removed ZOS needs to seriously increase the rate of which it is gained.

I think I ran a few dungeons today, and farmed some zombies for a total play time of 2 and 1/2, or 3 hours, and got like 3 cp.

The cap keeps increasing and me, and my girlfriend cannot seem to keep up with casual play.

Dont feel like writing a 2 page essay, but the person that started this topic has covered things really well.

my cp is 400 ish, and hers is high 200 somethin. Been playing on, and off since beta, she has been playing on, and off for a few years.

Anyway this CP fiasco thing is getting really out of hand....

400+ CP is about the time where more CP won't make you a god. you already have most of your damage passives and good resource sustain from CP. My advice is to not grind CP directly. But if you plan to do that then go to skyreach catacombs. XP/hour is kind of extreme there depending on how fast you can clear the entrance loop.

I think you've also missed the part in every CP cap increase in the patch notes where ZOS says "The total amount of XP required to reach cap has remained unchanged" Meaning it will take you as much XP to reach 600 CP as it took some people to reach 501 CP.

Keep_Door · March 2017

When looking for a group randomly its more likely that a player with higher cp has better gear and knows more about the game then a lower cp player.

Yes thats not always the case but why take the chance when its you decision.

10min no deaths or 2hours and so many wipes you run out of toilet paper.

If its my choice im going with the higher cp player.

idk · March 2017

They said I could play as I want.

Drummerx04 · March 2017

Keep_Door wrote: »

When looking for a group randomly its more likely that a player with higher cp has better gear and knows more about the game then a lower cp player.

Yes thats not always the case but why take the chance when its you decision.

10min no deaths or 2hours and so many wipes you run out of toilet paper.

If its my choice im going with the higher cp player.

Of course, if I have a choice I would always want the experienced players, or at least the players who can follow directions and CP is a passive indicator of likely experience level.

Just to be that guy, I encountered a 600 CP flawless conquerer magsorc who spent most of vWGT dying to every mechanic and stray heavy attack from the bulwarks. Kind of makes your title suspect when you can't stay alive when a mob breathes in your general direction.