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Alchemy Hireling

xaraan
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I would like to see the one crafting skill that doesn't have a hireling get one. Not sure how others feel, but I think it would be a good addition to the game. It wouldn't have to be overpowered to be useful, even getting a few of a couple reagents, or waters or whatever would make it a useful hireling IMO.
NA • PC • AD:
Xaraan - (Master Crafter) - Clockwork Automaton Nightblade
Xaraanosaurus - (Hist Shadow) - Argonian DK Tank
Xaraanosaur - (Dovahkriid) - Argonian Templar Tank
Xaraanodon - (Ophidian Overlord) - Argonian Warden Tank
Xaraanok - (Centurion) - Argonian Sorc Tank
Xa-Raan -(Sun's Dusk Reaper) - Argonian Vampire Magblade
Xãraan - (Forge Breaker) - Argonian Magicka-DK
Xåraan - (Monster Hunter) - Argonian Magplar
Xäraan - (Mystic) - Argonian Magicka-Warden
Xaraanosorcus - (Magnanamous)- Argonian Mag-Sorc
Xaran - (Master Thief) - Argonian Stamblade
Xa Raan - (Shehai Shatterer) - Argonian Stamina DK
Xaraana - (Explorer) - Argonian Stamina-Templar
Xâraan - (Undaunted) - Argonian Stamina-Warden
Xa'Raan - (Lord of Misrule) - Argonian WW Stam-Sorc
Comp: vBRP, vDSA, vAAhm, vSOhm, vHRhm, vMoLhm, vHoFhm, vAS+2, vCR+
  • STEVIL
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    xaraan wrote: »
    I would like to see the one crafting skill that doesn't have a hireling get one. Not sure how others feel, but I think it would be a good addition to the game. It wouldn't have to be overpowered to be useful, even getting a few of a couple reagents, or waters or whatever would make it a useful hireling IMO.

    I use th db supplier for what boils down to a 1 skill pt daily supply that is mostly the eq to an alchemy pack - 2 trips od reagents, grease water. Othrr days its multi effect pots.

    Comparing alchemy to provisioning, both have the bulknof their ingredients used as level independent, diff from equips.
    Alchemy burns a leveling ingred solvent/fat every use but prov you just lesrn the recipe once.

    I am ambivalent on the hireling. I dont run short on reagents so i dont see a need. I dont mind one craft being different, and with alch being the best at "everything mostly stays useful forever" the stuff i get ehen leveling mu lvl 30 helps my cappers just fine..

    I doubt i would spend 3 skills on it like the other hirelings, unles for selling.
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  • xaraan
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    Good to hear on the DB guy, I just opened that up on a character so maybe I'll see some benefit there.
    NA • PC • AD:
    Xaraan - (Master Crafter) - Clockwork Automaton Nightblade
    Xaraanosaurus - (Hist Shadow) - Argonian DK Tank
    Xaraanosaur - (Dovahkriid) - Argonian Templar Tank
    Xaraanodon - (Ophidian Overlord) - Argonian Warden Tank
    Xaraanok - (Centurion) - Argonian Sorc Tank
    Xa-Raan -(Sun's Dusk Reaper) - Argonian Vampire Magblade
    Xãraan - (Forge Breaker) - Argonian Magicka-DK
    Xåraan - (Monster Hunter) - Argonian Magplar
    Xäraan - (Mystic) - Argonian Magicka-Warden
    Xaraanosorcus - (Magnanamous)- Argonian Mag-Sorc
    Xaran - (Master Thief) - Argonian Stamblade
    Xa Raan - (Shehai Shatterer) - Argonian Stamina DK
    Xaraana - (Explorer) - Argonian Stamina-Templar
    Xâraan - (Undaunted) - Argonian Stamina-Warden
    Xa'Raan - (Lord of Misrule) - Argonian WW Stam-Sorc
    Comp: vBRP, vDSA, vAAhm, vSOhm, vHRhm, vMoLhm, vHoFhm, vAS+2, vCR+
  • Wreuntzylla
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    Consumable writs are free gold. Use 50 mats, get 100 days of instant completion. If they added a hireling, be sure ZoS will make it a pain in the rear...

    The only change to alchemy I want to see is bigger volumes of mats per harvest. I can use 200 pots in a day between mandatory dungeon runs and PvP. It's the only part of the game I see as a complete chore.
  • erliesc
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    xaraan wrote: »
    I would like to see the one crafting skill that doesn't have a hireling get one. Not sure how others feel, but I think it would be a good addition to the game. It wouldn't have to be overpowered to be useful, even getting a few of a couple reagents, or waters or whatever would make it a useful hireling IMO.

    In a related note....IMO the echantment hireling is pretty useless....can't sell most for profit...except for kuta...got tons of $1 ta....

    The reason there is no reagent hireling...is likely because reagents are valuable for the most part. They are valuable because using them in the right combo is EFFECTIVE?
    I know nutting....
  • STEVIL
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    erliesc wrote: »
    xaraan wrote: »
    I would like to see the one crafting skill that doesn't have a hireling get one. Not sure how others feel, but I think it would be a good addition to the game. It wouldn't have to be overpowered to be useful, even getting a few of a couple reagents, or waters or whatever would make it a useful hireling IMO.

    In a related note....IMO the echantment hireling is pretty useless....can't sell most for profit...except for kuta...got tons of $1 ta....

    The reason there is no reagent hireling...is likely because reagents are valuable for the most part. They are valuable because using them in the right combo is EFFECTIVE?

    Also, i gotta say while poisons arent everyones cup of tea, the ability to have effective poison use from easily accessible alchemy reagents and waters/fat vs the rarity of gold kuta for enchants... that goes a long way IMO. There are simply more than enuf cases where a drain health for 4s (dmg+heal) poison isn't just plain good when compared to anything but gold enchants.

    Alchemy has:
    • low burn rate for ingredients (3-4 ingred = 4-16 yield)
    • mostly non-level items so every level harvests useful stuff for everyone else
    • no-rare-quality tokens choke points
    • offensive and defensive capabilities
    • clear unequivocable superiority over the dropped alchemy items.

    Only provisioning comes close.

    IMO Alch doesn't need a buff.

    Edited by STEVIL on October 24, 2016 4:46PM
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    "The good way I used to get good kills *with good skill* was good but the way others kill me now is bad."

  • xaraan
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    erliesc wrote: »
    xaraan wrote: »
    I would like to see the one crafting skill that doesn't have a hireling get one. Not sure how others feel, but I think it would be a good addition to the game. It wouldn't have to be overpowered to be useful, even getting a few of a couple reagents, or waters or whatever would make it a useful hireling IMO.

    In a related note....IMO the echantment hireling is pretty useless....can't sell most for profit...except for kuta...got tons of $1 ta....

    The reason there is no reagent hireling...is likely because reagents are valuable for the most part. They are valuable because using them in the right combo is EFFECTIVE?

    Well, I agree that most plants are useful for the most part vs. waiting for a gold mat to show up on other hirelings, but I don't think offering like 3 of a plant in a shipment and some waters will throw things out of whack.
    NA • PC • AD:
    Xaraan - (Master Crafter) - Clockwork Automaton Nightblade
    Xaraanosaurus - (Hist Shadow) - Argonian DK Tank
    Xaraanosaur - (Dovahkriid) - Argonian Templar Tank
    Xaraanodon - (Ophidian Overlord) - Argonian Warden Tank
    Xaraanok - (Centurion) - Argonian Sorc Tank
    Xa-Raan -(Sun's Dusk Reaper) - Argonian Vampire Magblade
    Xãraan - (Forge Breaker) - Argonian Magicka-DK
    Xåraan - (Monster Hunter) - Argonian Magplar
    Xäraan - (Mystic) - Argonian Magicka-Warden
    Xaraanosorcus - (Magnanamous)- Argonian Mag-Sorc
    Xaran - (Master Thief) - Argonian Stamblade
    Xa Raan - (Shehai Shatterer) - Argonian Stamina DK
    Xaraana - (Explorer) - Argonian Stamina-Templar
    Xâraan - (Undaunted) - Argonian Stamina-Warden
    Xa'Raan - (Lord of Misrule) - Argonian WW Stam-Sorc
    Comp: vBRP, vDSA, vAAhm, vSOhm, vHRhm, vMoLhm, vHoFhm, vAS+2, vCR+
  • xaraan
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    I kind of want to touch on this again with the introduction of tvstone alchemy bags -

    This is almost exactly what I'd like to see with a hireling, but I'd make the drop about half the size of what you get in the stone bags and add the chance to also get waters in as well. But I can't see anyway this gets OP with the intro of the new alchemy bags.
    NA • PC • AD:
    Xaraan - (Master Crafter) - Clockwork Automaton Nightblade
    Xaraanosaurus - (Hist Shadow) - Argonian DK Tank
    Xaraanosaur - (Dovahkriid) - Argonian Templar Tank
    Xaraanodon - (Ophidian Overlord) - Argonian Warden Tank
    Xaraanok - (Centurion) - Argonian Sorc Tank
    Xa-Raan -(Sun's Dusk Reaper) - Argonian Vampire Magblade
    Xãraan - (Forge Breaker) - Argonian Magicka-DK
    Xåraan - (Monster Hunter) - Argonian Magplar
    Xäraan - (Mystic) - Argonian Magicka-Warden
    Xaraanosorcus - (Magnanamous)- Argonian Mag-Sorc
    Xaran - (Master Thief) - Argonian Stamblade
    Xa Raan - (Shehai Shatterer) - Argonian Stamina DK
    Xaraana - (Explorer) - Argonian Stamina-Templar
    Xâraan - (Undaunted) - Argonian Stamina-Warden
    Xa'Raan - (Lord of Misrule) - Argonian WW Stam-Sorc
    Comp: vBRP, vDSA, vAAhm, vSOhm, vHRhm, vMoLhm, vHoFhm, vAS+2, vCR+
  • erliesc
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    What I'd like to see is a comparison of the effects of glyphs vs potions as applied to weapons. Didn't know for a good while that glyphs only work a certain % of the time...just like potions.

    I use dropped poisons sometimes...but have no way of knowing if they are as good as the glyphs I make. I COULD make poisons...but haven't because of this.

    A lot of the terms used in the game are not wlll defined...so how can anyone make a decision?

    I do make some lower level glyphs for the experience and to sell...uses up extra runes....
    I know nutting....
  • STEVIL
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    erliesc wrote: »
    What I'd like to see is a comparison of the effects of glyphs vs potions as applied to weapons. Didn't know for a good while that glyphs only work a certain % of the time...just like potions.

    I use dropped poisons sometimes...but have no way of knowing if they are as good as the glyphs I make. I COULD make poisons...but haven't because of this.

    A lot of the terms used in the game are not wlll defined...so how can anyone make a decision?

    I do make some lower level glyphs for the experience and to sell...uses up extra runes....

    one example from a cp160+ set (my cp included as i think they show on tooltip maybe)

    Drain health poison does per second for 4.4 secs 1402 poison damage and 1433 health gain. Cooldown 10s.
    has 20% chance to proc so it will typically proc inside of say three seconds of fighting. So lets say over a 16s run it gets a full proc and cooldown - thats about 7k damage and 7100 health restored.

    Drain life enchant on same weapon - i think it was kuta but maybe it was purple not sure either way more rare than the poison ingredients - procs every weapon hit with 4s cooldown. so over 16s it gets 4 procs and is ready to proc again. it does 1754 damage per and 900 health back so thats 7k damage magic and 3600 health back.

    just plain poison damage enchant this time definitely kuta on same character procs each time for 2807 poison dmg so thats almost 11k damage but no health.

    So poison is 7k/7k dmg and heal, drain health enchant is 7k/3600 on dmg/heal and straight poison dmg enchant is abt 11k just damage.

    There are of course many other poisons and enchants - the straight dsmg only poison is better damage - there are damage buffs damage debuffs etc. There are also enchants which raise your spl/wpn dmg for like 5 s with 10s cool and ones that reduce enemy defenses etc.

    IMO they are comparable in effectiveness depending on what you do and how you do it.

    IMO the biggest differences are not in potency but in functionality over time:
    1. The components for poisons are easily acquired in large numbers and as effective or very close to it as yellow quality kuta glyphs. Ingredients much more common than yellow kuta stones = plus for poisons. Some good poisons like the simply poison damage one may only require two ingredients, not three.
    2. Poisons are not fixed. if you burn a kuta onto a weapon and then get a better weapon, you need a new kuta. You can apply your poisons to your precise inferno staff and then just move them to your sharpened one without losing a hitch. Makes poisons more useful in a changing world or during acquisition periods. but if you will never ever change weapons again - not an issue. Poison mobility = plus for poisons.
    3. Poisons are more flexible: Poisons can be switched in and out easily - add the drain poison for solo dungeons, add the all damage for DPS, add the target takes inc damage for group play support etc. They can even be swapped back and forth between characters onto different weapons. Poison flexibility = plus for poisons
    4. Poisons do burn out and unless you have your own alchemist making 16 uses per pop... it can be an issue. Encvhants require recharging but thats easy. Poisons uses expended = plus for enchants.

    So if you have an alchemist and an enchanter in your midst, you have options and can choose what you prefer but i find poisons very useful and typically have poisons on at least one bar.




    Edited by STEVIL on December 29, 2016 7:23PM
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  • erliesc
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    good info. My one crafter does both...he probably needs to up his game some though...will be looking into the poisons more...I'm only crafting into the 40-50 levels so far though.

    Need to discover more potion/poison combos...need to sit down and try most combos till I find the unidentified ones...then I might get a bit further.
    I know nutting....
  • Reivax
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    Stevil, big thank you for the explanation.
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    Reivax wrote: »
    Stevil, big thank you for the explanation.

    De nada.

    hope it helps.
    Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
    YFMV Your Fun May Vary.

    First Law of Nerf-o-Dynamics
    "The good way I used to get good kills *with good skill* was good but the way others kill me now is bad."

  • carljokl
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    Replace useless Snake's Blood with a Hireling!
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    carljokl wrote: »
    Replace useless Snake's Blood with a Hireling!

    i would rather see a chance at decon (and yes some mixtures can be separated with some parts extracted and wtf if a glypn can yield a stone in extraction, i should be able to get some water out of a mixture.)

    Would give us something to do with the scads and scads of white cloudy potion and poison drops - and target the same "number of mats available" issue.

    Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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    "The good way I used to get good kills *with good skill* was good but the way others kill me now is bad."

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