Proc sets are ruining PVP

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Holy crap some if you pvpers are rude and straight stupid makes pvpers like me look bad. You complain about procc sets yet go out of your way to farm them.

If you hate them so bad guess what Don't farm them and Don't wear them simple I don't wear them and I do just fine in PVP if you have to wear proc sets to compete then you need to L2P.

Stop being selfish and leave proc sets alone for pvers they have a right to enjoy them too.

Because grinding RNG, then relying on RNG, makes you a skillful player right?

It's skill based to rely on 3-4 procs, and even poison procs? It's a L2P issue because you're hit with 4 set procs at one time totally over 13k damage in under a second?

Sorry but this isn't a L2P issue for anyone besides you. Go drop the proc sets and fight a NB running 4 procs with poison then tell me how much of a L2P issue it is.


You know there was a time once when you had to actually strategically play the game, that time is long gone. Now everything is pure RNG, skill has been thrown out the window for a grindfest on heavy rng gear that is extraordinarily OP when you have multiple sets of procs on.

First of all I am against proc sets in pvp however they shouldn't be nerfed just for pvp because pve players also use them I have pve friends that use them in their dps rotation its essential to some and I find it funny how pvp player want to tell pvers how to dps Lol. Second like I said if you don't like proc sets DO NOT USE THEM, if most of you guys followed that idea pvp wouldn’t be this bad but NOOO gotta copy every streamer and youtube build right?

Im confused with the bolded part. I just told you I don't need to wear proc sets and I BEAT other that do wear them do I still need to L2P?

I think some of you guys need to adjust your own builds, stop copying streamer/you tubers stop play Fotm and make your own builds. You' d be surprised how much more fluid it is to pvp

You realized no one has a problem with just one proc sets which most PVE build use they only use one if they using more than they DPs going into the crappier and they don't know what their doing.No serious PVE defends proc sets and say don't Nerf them.They see how broken they are in PVP and the only person defending them are people like you who don't know what the hell their talking about and people who just want easy kills or pve only players who don't care about PVE and don't want balance. Like I said no one have problem with someone using 1 proc sets its their ability to stack which is the issue and why most people asking for that to no longer be the case.

If we follow your logic every broken thing in PVP won't be fixed because some PVE makes him feel good .Give any boss multiple proc sets and every PVEr Would be Herr crying.They already cry about the difficulty off the world boss when you can solo most of them or that they now have to actually learn the mechanics of dungeons.We shouldn't balance a game for them and the Dev that thank they should should be fired and never hired on any game again.

Lava_Croft

People suggesting blanket nerfs to just about every proc set available should apply for a job at ZOS.

This attitude is exactly what has ruined ESO PvP.

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Holy crap some if you pvpers are rude and straight stupid makes pvpers like me look bad. You complain about procc sets yet go out of your way to farm them.

If you hate them so bad guess what Don't farm them and Don't wear them simple I don't wear them and I do just fine in PVP if you have to wear proc sets to compete then you need to L2P.

Stop being selfish and leave proc sets alone for pvers they have a right to enjoy them too.

Because grinding RNG, then relying on RNG, makes you a skillful player right?

It's skill based to rely on 3-4 procs, and even poison procs? It's a L2P issue because you're hit with 4 set procs at one time totally over 13k damage in under a second?

Sorry but this isn't a L2P issue for anyone besides you. Go drop the proc sets and fight a NB running 4 procs with poison then tell me how much of a L2P issue it is.


You know there was a time once when you had to actually strategically play the game, that time is long gone. Now everything is pure RNG, skill has been thrown out the window for a grindfest on heavy rng gear that is extraordinarily OP when you have multiple sets of procs on.

First of all I am against proc sets in pvp however they shouldn't be nerfed just for pvp because pve players also use them I have pve friends that use them in their dps rotation its essential to some and I find it funny how pvp player want to tell pvers how to dps Lol. Second like I said if you don't like proc sets DO NOT USE THEM, if most of you guys followed that idea pvp wouldn’t be this bad but NOOO gotta copy every streamer and youtube build right?

Im confused with the bolded part. I just told you I don't need to wear proc sets and I BEAT other that do wear them do I still need to L2P?

I think some of you guys need to adjust your own builds, stop copying streamer/you tubers stop play Fotm and make your own builds. You' d be surprised how much more fluid it is to pvp

You realized no one has a problem with just one proc sets which most PVE build use they only use one if they using more than they DPs going into the crappier and they don't know what their doing.No serious PVE defends proc sets and say don't Nerf them.They see how broken they are in PVP and the only person defending them are people like you who don't know what the hell their talking aboutand people who just want easy kills or pve only players who don't care about PVP and don't want balance. Like I said no one have problem with someone using 1 proc sets its their ability to stack which is the issue and why most people asking for that to no longer be the case.

If we follow your logic every broken thing in PVP won't be fixed because some PVE makes him feel good .Give any boss multiple proc sets and every PVEr Would be Herr crying.They already cry about the difficulty off the world boss when you can solo most of them or that they now have to actually learn the mechanics of dungeons.We shouldn't balance a game for them and the Dev that thank they should should be fired and never hired on any game again.

I think Im going brain dead with the bolded part. This is what happens when you use emotions in an argument.

I'm not a pve player, and pve players don't want them nerfed because you have to earn them, why would you run a dungeon a get these sets if they are nerfed? Also if the proc sets were nerfed ( which they should be) it should be a battle spirit nerf that doen't effect pve but knowing Wrobel he will blanket nerf the sets across the board.

Players will always want easy kills and will always follow the meta I bet you wear these sets then complain about them, balance went out the window when CP was introduced this isn't really super bad, there were worst cheese builds remeber bombing blades? This games pvp has and always will be imbalanced because of CP nerfing proc sets would just be a band aid fix you guys would still complain about something else.

And should proc sets be nerf and I think they should put the nerf in battle spirit, but I have a feeling Wrobel won't do that.

Edit: bottom half of your argument sounds so entitled its not even funny most of Zos profit comes from the PVE audience, in the case that Zos doent nerf the sets then stop being selfish and either,

L2P( don't follow the meta) or Play a different game.

Minalan

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I know how you feel, that is frustrating, but nerfing won't solve anything( unless it is in battle spirit debuff) players will switch to the next cheese builds which will cause more complaining.

You know what would help you against these cancer builds? Not copying them and making YOUR own builds invest more into disease resistance, use vitality and immoble pots, block more lots of ways around this problem until worbel cleans up the mess we all have to deal with it.

"I know it's frustrating RNG can allow someone who has 0 skill to beat someone who's been emperor, but instead of nerfing the sets how about we just not use them?!??"

As crazy as that sounds yes. I suggest you fine tune your build to deal with them.

I build my toon more defensively so proc sets don't instagib me, I wear all crafted sets and can beat these players just fine. When a proctard realizes that their cheese don't win they rage at me. Lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAKG-kbKeIo


but just for the sake of amusing you,

Let's see the all mighty craftable build that can beat any 3-4 proc set wearing nightblade tank that can heal through any DPS sparse.

Ah mustive struck a nerve with my stubbornness huh?

Well i'll tell you then for starters im a nb.

I wear 7/7 medium armor all impen
Crafted gear is hundings + night silence + agility( two robust one healthy) all WD sometimes I put poison resistance on them.

CP: 20% reduction on poison, disease, and physical dmg
10% dot resistance dmg
Left overs onto elemental expert to get unchained

Rest of red cp into resistant,

Green, 100 into warlord
15% stam regen
5% into Tumbling

Blue, 27 into quick recovery
20% into mighty
10% percise strikes
10% thamaturge

Stats:

17k hp( 23K in cyrodil)
9k magicka
31k stamina
3500 WD
57% weapon crit
2788 crit resistance( 44% crit reduction)
10110 physical and spell resistance( don't matter because it gets penetrated by sharpened weapons)
1800 stam regen (2340 with pots, and relentless focus)

My weapons have disease enchant for heal debuff
They are daggers

Second weapon is a 2h

Now that I shared my build I sustain more and take more hits from proctards

L2P man.

I don't think that's 44% crit reduction anymore is it?

I thought that got nerfed closer to 27.8%

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I know how you feel, that is frustrating, but nerfing won't solve anything( unless it is in battle spirit debuff) players will switch to the next cheese builds which will cause more complaining.

You know what would help you against these cancer builds? Not copying them and making YOUR own builds invest more into disease resistance, use vitality and immoble pots, block more lots of ways around this problem until worbel cleans up the mess we all have to deal with it.

"I know it's frustrating RNG can allow someone who has 0 skill to beat someone who's been emperor, but instead of nerfing the sets how about we just not use them?!??"

As crazy as that sounds yes. I suggest you fine tune your build to deal with them.

I build my toon more defensively so proc sets don't instagib me, I wear all crafted sets and can beat these players just fine. When a proctard realizes that their cheese don't win they rage at me. Lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAKG-kbKeIo


but just for the sake of amusing you,

Let's see the all mighty craftable build that can beat any 3-4 proc set wearing nightblade tank that can heal through any DPS sparse.

Ah mustive struck a nerve with my stubbornness huh?

Well i'll tell you then for starters im a nb.

I wear 7/7 medium armor all impen
Crafted gear is hundings + night silence + agility( two robust one healthy) all WD sometimes I put poison resistance on them.

CP: 20% reduction on poison, disease, and physical dmg
10% dot resistance dmg
Left overs onto elemental expert to get unchained

Rest of red cp into resistant,

Green, 100 into warlord
15% stam regen
5% into Tumbling

Blue, 27 into quick recovery
20% into mighty
10% percise strikes
10% thamaturge

Stats:

17k hp( 23K in cyrodil)
9k magicka
31k stamina
3500 WD
57% weapon crit
2788 crit resistance( 44% crit reduction)
10110 physical and spell resistance( don't matter because it gets penetrated by sharpened weapons)
1800 stam regen (2340 with pots, and relentless focus)

My weapons have disease enchant for heal debuff
They are daggers

Second weapon is a 2h

Now that I shared my build I sustain more and take more hits from proctards

L2P man.

I don't think that's 44% crit reduction anymore is it?

I thought that got nerfed closer to 27.8%

Well you might be right I heard impen was nerfed

The calculation goes: 68 impen = 1% DR
But in another post they claimed that 100 impen = 1% DR

I also heard that battle spirit reduces it by half. But that value seems to work for me against proctards.

Soris

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Pls don't nerf PvE over this. Not again!

You never needed these ridiculously high damage proc sets in PvE, since almost all of PvE is braindead easy.

It became braindead easy because everyone cried "nerf", Everything is killing me! Because pvpers cried "nerf", everyone is killing me!

PvE did not become braindead easy because of any crying PvP players. It became easy because the casuals that make up the majority of ESO's player base these days just want to walk through all the content without effort.

Oh i remember Doshia from the Fighters Guild quest line around lvl 10s in beta. Most OP boss in those days as a solo player. What a cancer fight was that. But actually very challenging and fun!

Met her again couple days ago with my alt and I felt so sorry for her. I cried inside.

Jaronking

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Holy crap some if you pvpers are rude and straight stupid makes pvpers like me look bad. You complain about procc sets yet go out of your way to farm them.

If you hate them so bad guess what Don't farm them and Don't wear them simple I don't wear them and I do just fine in PVP if you have to wear proc sets to compete then you need to L2P.

Stop being selfish and leave proc sets alone for pvers they have a right to enjoy them too.

Because grinding RNG, then relying on RNG, makes you a skillful player right?

It's skill based to rely on 3-4 procs, and even poison procs? It's a L2P issue because you're hit with 4 set procs at one time totally over 13k damage in under a second?

Sorry but this isn't a L2P issue for anyone besides you. Go drop the proc sets and fight a NB running 4 procs with poison then tell me how much of a L2P issue it is.


You know there was a time once when you had to actually strategically play the game, that time is long gone. Now everything is pure RNG, skill has been thrown out the window for a grindfest on heavy rng gear that is extraordinarily OP when you have multiple sets of procs on.

First of all I am against proc sets in pvp however they shouldn't be nerfed just for pvp because pve players also use them I have pve friends that use them in their dps rotation its essential to some and I find it funny how pvp player want to tell pvers how to dps Lol. Second like I said if you don't like proc sets DO NOT USE THEM, if most of you guys followed that idea pvp wouldn’t be this bad but NOOO gotta copy every streamer and youtube build right?

Im confused with the bolded part. I just told you I don't need to wear proc sets and I BEAT other that do wear them do I still need to L2P?

I think some of you guys need to adjust your own builds, stop copying streamer/you tubers stop play Fotm and make your own builds. You' d be surprised how much more fluid it is to pvp

You realized no one has a problem with just one proc sets which most PVE build use they only use one if they using more than they DPs going into the crappier and they don't know what their doing.No serious PVE defends proc sets and say don't Nerf them.They see how broken they are in PVP and the only person defending them are people like you who don't know what the hell their talking aboutand people who just want easy kills or pve only players who don't care about PVP and don't want balance. Like I said no one have problem with someone using 1 proc sets its their ability to stack which is the issue and why most people asking for that to no longer be the case.

If we follow your logic every broken thing in PVP won't be fixed because some PVE makes him feel good .Give any boss multiple proc sets and every PVEr Would be Herr crying.They already cry about the difficulty off the world boss when you can solo most of them or that they now have to actually learn the mechanics of dungeons.We shouldn't balance a game for them and the Dev that thank they should should be fired and never hired on any game again.

I think Im going brain dead with the bolded part. This is what happens when you use emotions in an argument.

I'm not a pve player, and pve players don't want them nerfed because you have to earn them, why would you run a dungeon a get these sets if they are nerfed? Also if the proc sets were nerfed ( which they should be) it should be a battle spirit nerf that doen't effect pve but knowing Wrobel he will blanket nerf the sets across he board.

Players will always want easy kills and will always follow the meta I bet you wear these sets them complain about them, balance went out the window when CP was introduced this isn't really super bad, there were worst cheese builds remeber bombing blades? This games pvp has and always will be imbalanced because of CP nerfing proc sets would just be a band aid fix you guys would still complain about something else.

And should proc sets be nerf and I think they should put the nerf in battle spirit, but I have a feeling Wrobel won't do that.

Edit: bottom half of your argument sounds so entitled its not even funny most of Zos profit comes from the PVE audience, in the case that Zos doent nerf the sets then stop being selfish and either,

L2P( don't follow the meta) or Play a different game.

Lmao dude only proc set I run is blood spawn.Ask @Ron_Burgundy_79 or @texassob I talk crap about them for using proc sets like viper red mountain and velidreth.Honestly no other cheesebuild has been as bad as this you know why because even with all of those cheese builds you had to use abilities, their some type of skill here their nothing all you have to do is light attack someone you can do 12 worth of damage because of the sets your wearing.Their no bigger cheese than that.

Like I said before you just dont know what your talking about No one is asking for a complete Nerf of the sets most are asking that 1.A set can not proc another proc set.2.A GCD on a proc set so two can't proc at the same time,2-3 seconds is all that's needed to deter someone from running multiple proc sets.The problem isn't one proc set its people stacking multiple proc sets.No set should play the game for you its common sense anyone against that I don't know what's wrong with that.Again no one who know what their talking about want a blanket Nerf of these sets just want them balanced.

How easy The dungeons are your not earning anything .Plus if you really where a PVP player you would want balance no Nerf they do to these sets would affect PVE which you know they can just adjust the mobs health and resistances so they won't notice the difference.Thats not true at all they make most of the money off Of Role players and soloers who the majority dont do the content to get these sets.So nerfing these sets won't affect them at all.

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Holy crap some if you pvpers are rude and straight stupid makes pvpers like me look bad. You complain about procc sets yet go out of your way to farm them.

If you hate them so bad guess what Don't farm them and Don't wear them simple I don't wear them and I do just fine in PVP if you have to wear proc sets to compete then you need to L2P.

Stop being selfish and leave proc sets alone for pvers they have a right to enjoy them too.

Because grinding RNG, then relying on RNG, makes you a skillful player right?

It's skill based to rely on 3-4 procs, and even poison procs? It's a L2P issue because you're hit with 4 set procs at one time totally over 13k damage in under a second?

Sorry but this isn't a L2P issue for anyone besides you. Go drop the proc sets and fight a NB running 4 procs with poison then tell me how much of a L2P issue it is.


You know there was a time once when you had to actually strategically play the game, that time is long gone. Now everything is pure RNG, skill has been thrown out the window for a grindfest on heavy rng gear that is extraordinarily OP when you have multiple sets of procs on.

First of all I am against proc sets in pvp however they shouldn't be nerfed just for pvp because pve players also use them I have pve friends that use them in their dps rotation its essential to some and I find it funny how pvp player want to tell pvers how to dps Lol. Second like I said if you don't like proc sets DO NOT USE THEM, if most of you guys followed that idea pvp wouldn’t be this bad but NOOO gotta copy every streamer and youtube build right?

Im confused with the bolded part. I just told you I don't need to wear proc sets and I BEAT other that do wear them do I still need to L2P?

I think some of you guys need to adjust your own builds, stop copying streamer/you tubers stop play Fotm and make your own builds. You' d be surprised how much more fluid it is to pvp

You realized no one has a problem with just one proc sets which most PVE build use they only use one if they using more than they DPs going into the crappier and they don't know what their doing.No serious PVE defends proc sets and say don't Nerf them.They see how broken they are in PVP and the only person defending them are people like you who don't know what the hell their talking aboutand people who just want easy kills or pve only players who don't care about PVP and don't want balance. Like I said no one have problem with someone using 1 proc sets its their ability to stack which is the issue and why most people asking for that to no longer be the case.

If we follow your logic every broken thing in PVP won't be fixed because some PVE makes him feel good .Give any boss multiple proc sets and every PVEr Would be Herr crying.They already cry about the difficulty off the world boss when you can solo most of them or that they now have to actually learn the mechanics of dungeons.We shouldn't balance a game for them and the Dev that thank they should should be fired and never hired on any game again.

I think Im going brain dead with the bolded part. This is what happens when you use emotions in an argument.

I'm not a pve player, and pve players don't want them nerfed because you have to earn them, why would you run a dungeon a get these sets if they are nerfed? Also if the proc sets were nerfed ( which they should be) it should be a battle spirit nerf that doen't effect pve but knowing Wrobel he will blanket nerf the sets across he board.

Players will always want easy kills and will always follow the meta I bet you wear these sets them complain about them, balance went out the window when CP was introduced this isn't really super bad, there were worst cheese builds remeber bombing blades? This games pvp has and always will be imbalanced because of CP nerfing proc sets would just be a band aid fix you guys would still complain about something else.

And should proc sets be nerf and I think they should put the nerf in battle spirit, but I have a feeling Wrobel won't do that.

Edit: bottom half of your argument sounds so entitled its not even funny most of Zos profit comes from the PVE audience, in the case that Zos doent nerf the sets then stop being selfish and either,

L2P( don't follow the meta) or Play a different game.

Lmao dude only proc set I run is blood spawn.Ask @Ron_Burgundy_79 or @texassob I talk crap about them for using proc sets like viper red mountain and velidreth.Honestly no other cheesebuild has been as bad as this you know why because even with all of those cheese builds you had to use abilities, their some type of skill here their nothing all you have to do is light attack someone you can do 12 worth of damage because of the sets your wearing.Their no bigger cheese than that.

Like I said before you just dont know what your talking about No one is asking for a complete Nerf of the sets most are asking that 1.A set can not proc another proc set.2.A GCD on a proc set so two can't proc at the same time,2-3 seconds is all that's needed to deter someone from running multiple proc sets.The problem isn't one proc set its people stacking multiple proc sets.No set should play the game for you its common sense anyone against that I don't know what's wrong with that.Again no one who know what their talking about want a blanket Nerf of these sets just want them balanced.

How easy The dungeons are your not earning anything .Plus if you really were a PVP player you would want balance no Nerf they do to these sets would affect PVE which you know they can just adjust the mobs health and resistances so they won't notice the difference.Thats not true at all they make most of the money off Of Role players and soloers who the majority dont do the content to get these sets.So nerfing these sets won't affect them at all.

Where do I start. Although don't want to directly nerf proc sets most pvpers want to nerf each individual set, I had a pvp friend complain about Valkyn skoria and another complain about Velidreth and they wanted them nerfed in dmg and CD

2nd you said no one earns these set? LOL are you joking? Run one of these dungeons on vet mode with 1T update and see how easy it is. This is what happens when you pigeon hold yourself into one part of a game. You probably bought your blood spawn from the cyrodil vendor.

if you know RP means you would know that pve exclusive players are pretty much role players in some shape or form, some more than others and they partake in pve content competitively to see which guild is better, and then some that have the hero mentality that they go into a dungeon kill the bad guy get the loot and glory.

Reguardless if they nerf them or not It doesn't effect me I PVP more than I pve and I don't use these sets, but you would be hurting the PVE players for your own benefit and will cause lots of Pve QQ. Besides after this you will find somthing else to QQ about

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Holy crap some if you pvpers are rude and straight stupid makes pvpers like me look bad. You complain about procc sets yet go out of your way to farm them.

If you hate them so bad guess what Don't farm them and Don't wear them simple I don't wear them and I do just fine in PVP if you have to wear proc sets to compete then you need to L2P.

Stop being selfish and leave proc sets alone for pvers they have a right to enjoy them too.

Because grinding RNG, then relying on RNG, makes you a skillful player right?

It's skill based to rely on 3-4 procs, and even poison procs? It's a L2P issue because you're hit with 4 set procs at one time totally over 13k damage in under a second?

Sorry but this isn't a L2P issue for anyone besides you. Go drop the proc sets and fight a NB running 4 procs with poison then tell me how much of a L2P issue it is.


You know there was a time once when you had to actually strategically play the game, that time is long gone. Now everything is pure RNG, skill has been thrown out the window for a grindfest on heavy rng gear that is extraordinarily OP when you have multiple sets of procs on.

First of all I am against proc sets in pvp however they shouldn't be nerfed just for pvp because pve players also use them I have pve friends that use them in their dps rotation its essential to some and I find it funny how pvp player want to tell pvers how to dps Lol. Second like I said if you don't like proc sets DO NOT USE THEM, if most of you guys followed that idea pvp wouldn’t be this bad but NOOO gotta copy every streamer and youtube build right?

Im confused with the bolded part. I just told you I don't need to wear proc sets and I BEAT other that do wear them do I still need to L2P?

I think some of you guys need to adjust your own builds, stop copying streamer/you tubers stop play Fotm and make your own builds. You' d be surprised how much more fluid it is to pvp

You realized no one has a problem with just one proc sets which most PVE build use they only use one if they using more than they DPs going into the crappier and they don't know what their doing.No serious PVE defends proc sets and say don't Nerf them.They see how broken they are in PVP and the only person defending them are people like you who don't know what the hell their talking aboutand people who just want easy kills or pve only players who don't care about PVP and don't want balance. Like I said no one have problem with someone using 1 proc sets its their ability to stack which is the issue and why most people asking for that to no longer be the case.

If we follow your logic every broken thing in PVP won't be fixed because some PVE makes him feel good .Give any boss multiple proc sets and every PVEr Would be Herr crying.They already cry about the difficulty off the world boss when you can solo most of them or that they now have to actually learn the mechanics of dungeons.We shouldn't balance a game for them and the Dev that thank they should should be fired and never hired on any game again.

I think Im going brain dead with the bolded part. This is what happens when you use emotions in an argument.

I'm not a pve player, and pve players don't want them nerfed because you have to earn them, why would you run a dungeon a get these sets if they are nerfed? Also if the proc sets were nerfed ( which they should be) it should be a battle spirit nerf that doen't effect pve but knowing Wrobel he will blanket nerf the sets across he board.

Players will always want easy kills and will always follow the meta I bet you wear these sets them complain about them, balance went out the window when CP was introduced this isn't really super bad, there were worst cheese builds remeber bombing blades? This games pvp has and always will be imbalanced because of CP nerfing proc sets would just be a band aid fix you guys would still complain about something else.

And should proc sets be nerf and I think they should put the nerf in battle spirit, but I have a feeling Wrobel won't do that.

Edit: bottom half of your argument sounds so entitled its not even funny most of Zos profit comes from the PVE audience, in the case that Zos doent nerf the sets then stop being selfish and either,

L2P( don't follow the meta) or Play a different game.

Lmao dude only proc set I run is blood spawn.Ask @Ron_Burgundy_79 or @texassob I talk crap about them for using proc sets like viper red mountain and velidreth.Honestly no other cheesebuild has been as bad as this you know why because even with all of those cheese builds you had to use abilities, their some type of skill here their nothing all you have to do is light attack someone you can do 12 worth of damage because of the sets your wearing.Their no bigger cheese than that.

Like I said before you just dont know what your talking about No one is asking for a complete Nerf of the sets most are asking that 1.A set can not proc another proc set.2.A GCD on a proc set so two can't proc at the same time,2-3 seconds is all that's needed to deter someone from running multiple proc sets.The problem isn't one proc set its people stacking multiple proc sets.No set should play the game for you its common sense anyone against that I don't know what's wrong with that.Again no one who know what their talking about want a blanket Nerf of these sets just want them balanced.

How easy The dungeons are your not earning anything .Plus if you really were a PVP player you would want balance no Nerf they do to these sets would affect PVE which you know they can just adjust the mobs health and resistances so they won't notice the difference.Thats not true at all they make most of the money off Of Role players and soloers who the majority dont do the content to get these sets.So nerfing these sets won't affect them at all.

Where do I start. Although don't want to directly nerf proc sets most pvpers want to nerf each individual set, I had a pvp friend complain about Valkyn skoria and another complain about Velidreth and they wanted them nerfed in dmg and CD

2nd you said no one earns these set? LOL are you joking? Run one of these dungeons on vet mode with 1T update and see how easy it is. This is what happens when you pigeon hold yourself into one part of a game. You probably bought your blood spawn from the cyrodil vendor.

if you know RP means you would know that pve exclusive players are pretty much role players some way more than others and they partake in pve content, They are the heros they go into a dungeon kill the bad guy get the loot and glory.

Reguardless if they nerf them or not It doesn't effect me I PVP more than I pve and I don't use these sets, but you would be hurting the PVE players for your own benefit and will cause lots of Pve QQ. Besides after this you will find somthing else to QQ about

Lmao dude I done every dungeon in this game including Vet WGT,ICP,Ruin and Cradle all hardmode done before and after the update and every trial but VetMOl on Vet dude.Those dungeon are so easy its stupid people are soloing them.Check out @Ch4mpTW threads in General discussion he solo a good majority in the first week.These sets are so easy to get ts stupid the hardest thing about getting these sets is the RNG involved.

Believe it or not I don't really care I didn't buy my Bloodspawn from the PVP Vendor because one they haven't sold the shoulders yet plus I got mine before TG when they removed Impen from PVE.My helm infused heavy I got from doing Spindle after they removed Impen from the table haven't got any helm other than training when I ran it.Not farming spindle for the helm when my infused one just fine.Don't talk like you know me dude I spend my time 75-80% of my time in PVP doesn't mean I don't do PVE.

Its the reason why I know any PVE who know what their doing are not running two proc sets so adding a GCD doesn't hurt not one PVE player so your argument is mute. I know many PVE players who don't RP and do the content just to do it they find it fun and none of them use more than 1 proc set of Amy at all.The only people who will QQ are the one who don't have a clue in the first place.Or complaining just because it was a change to balance PVP.They blame PVPers for changes PVERS cost.

thankyourat

This is by far the worse meta ever, even when mag sorc was the meta in thieves guild it was no where near this bad because at least they didn't get free damage and there was no resource poisons. bomb blades have always been bad. I played a bomb blade for like a week, realized how bad the resource management was and then switched back to destro. I don't mind one proc set as long as it's not viper, but when you stack them it gets a little ridiculous. Viper needs a flat out nerf it procs too much and hits to hard. I beat all the pve content in the game with julianos impen gear, so I don't even understand the argument that nerfing proc sets hurts pve. How?

Sandman929

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Run one of these dungeons on vet mode with 1T update and see how easy it is.

Done, and did. The only thing difficult about any PvE dungeon is the occasional environmental mechanic...and proc sets won't help there.

Mayrael

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Anti_Virus wrote: »

Run one of these dungeons on vet mode with 1T update and see how easy it is.

Done, and did. The only thing difficult about any PvE dungeon is the occasional environmental mechanic...and proc sets won't help there.

This. + its so fkn frustrating to see how dude just eats all of your dps (thanks to blackrose he can block endlessly) and than starts to spam skill, light attack, skill, light attack and all you see is 2k skill dmg +_4k viper + 8k velidreth / 4k tremor.... *** is this? 80% of his dmg comes from proc sets... If you are tanky youre not good at dps.. at least in theory... I loved pvp once, but now... What can I say? Im back after 10 months of break from ESO and it seems that Ill have to take a break again as ZOS wont even admit that there is a problem with proc sets...

PS. Crashed 2 times while trying to eneter Cyrodiil after waiting 15 min in queue... Thats to much for me...

Ron_Burgundy_79

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Holy crap some if you pvpers are rude and straight stupid makes pvpers like me look bad. You complain about procc sets yet go out of your way to farm them.

If you hate them so bad guess what Don't farm them and Don't wear them simple I don't wear them and I do just fine in PVP if you have to wear proc sets to compete then you need to L2P.

Stop being selfish and leave proc sets alone for pvers they have a right to enjoy them too.

Because grinding RNG, then relying on RNG, makes you a skillful player right?

It's skill based to rely on 3-4 procs, and even poison procs? It's a L2P issue because you're hit with 4 set procs at one time totally over 13k damage in under a second?

Sorry but this isn't a L2P issue for anyone besides you. Go drop the proc sets and fight a NB running 4 procs with poison then tell me how much of a L2P issue it is.


You know there was a time once when you had to actually strategically play the game, that time is long gone. Now everything is pure RNG, skill has been thrown out the window for a grindfest on heavy rng gear that is extraordinarily OP when you have multiple sets of procs on.

First of all I am against proc sets in pvp however they shouldn't be nerfed just for pvp because pve players also use them I have pve friends that use them in their dps rotation its essential to some and I find it funny how pvp player want to tell pvers how to dps Lol. Second like I said if you don't like proc sets DO NOT USE THEM, if most of you guys followed that idea pvp wouldn’t be this bad but NOOO gotta copy every streamer and youtube build right?

Im confused with the bolded part. I just told you I don't need to wear proc sets and I BEAT other that do wear them do I still need to L2P?

I think some of you guys need to adjust your own builds, stop copying streamer/you tubers stop play Fotm and make your own builds. You' d be surprised how much more fluid it is to pvp

You realized no one has a problem with just one proc sets which most PVE build use they only use one if they using more than they DPs going into the crappier and they don't know what their doing.No serious PVE defends proc sets and say don't Nerf them.They see how broken they are in PVP and the only person defending them are people like you who don't know what the hell their talking aboutand people who just want easy kills or pve only players who don't care about PVP and don't want balance. Like I said no one have problem with someone using 1 proc sets its their ability to stack which is the issue and why most people asking for that to no longer be the case.

If we follow your logic every broken thing in PVP won't be fixed because some PVE makes him feel good .Give any boss multiple proc sets and every PVEr Would be Herr crying.They already cry about the difficulty off the world boss when you can solo most of them or that they now have to actually learn the mechanics of dungeons.We shouldn't balance a game for them and the Dev that thank they should should be fired and never hired on any game again.

I think Im going brain dead with the bolded part. This is what happens when you use emotions in an argument.

I'm not a pve player, and pve players don't want them nerfed because you have to earn them, why would you run a dungeon a get these sets if they are nerfed? Also if the proc sets were nerfed ( which they should be) it should be a battle spirit nerf that doen't effect pve but knowing Wrobel he will blanket nerf the sets across he board.

Players will always want easy kills and will always follow the meta I bet you wear these sets them complain about them, balance went out the window when CP was introduced this isn't really super bad, there were worst cheese builds remeber bombing blades? This games pvp has and always will be imbalanced because of CP nerfing proc sets would just be a band aid fix you guys would still complain about something else.

And should proc sets be nerf and I think they should put the nerf in battle spirit, but I have a feeling Wrobel won't do that.

Edit: bottom half of your argument sounds so entitled its not even funny most of Zos profit comes from the PVE audience, in the case that Zos doent nerf the sets then stop being selfish and either,

L2P( don't follow the meta) or Play a different game.

Lmao dude only proc set I run is blood spawn.Ask @Ron_Burgundy_79 or @texassob I talk crap about them for using proc sets like viper red mountain and velidreth.Honestly no other cheesebuild has been as bad as this you know why because even with all of those cheese builds you had to use abilities, their some type of skill here their nothing all you have to do is light attack someone you can do 12 worth of damage because of the sets your wearing.Their no bigger cheese than that.

Like I said before you just dont know what your talking about No one is asking for a complete Nerf of the sets most are asking that 1.A set can not proc another proc set.2.A GCD on a proc set so two can't proc at the same time,2-3 seconds is all that's needed to deter someone from running multiple proc sets.The problem isn't one proc set its people stacking multiple proc sets.No set should play the game for you its common sense anyone against that I don't know what's wrong with that.Again no one who know what their talking about want a blanket Nerf of these sets just want them balanced.

How easy The dungeons are your not earning anything .Plus if you really where a PVP player you would want balance no Nerf they do to these sets would affect PVE which you know they can just adjust the mobs health and resistances so they won't notice the difference.Thats not true at all they make most of the money off Of Role players and soloers who the majority dont do the content to get these sets.So nerfing these sets won't affect them at all.

We give @Jaronking a hard time about being a "metablade", but to be fair, he doesn't run proc sets.

As far as myself and @texassob running proc sets, last time I checked there weren't any on BF1.

Jaronking

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

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Jaronking wrote: »

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Smasherx74 wrote: »

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Holy crap some if you pvpers are rude and straight stupid makes pvpers like me look bad. You complain about procc sets yet go out of your way to farm them.

If you hate them so bad guess what Don't farm them and Don't wear them simple I don't wear them and I do just fine in PVP if you have to wear proc sets to compete then you need to L2P.

Stop being selfish and leave proc sets alone for pvers they have a right to enjoy them too.

Because grinding RNG, then relying on RNG, makes you a skillful player right?

It's skill based to rely on 3-4 procs, and even poison procs? It's a L2P issue because you're hit with 4 set procs at one time totally over 13k damage in under a second?

Sorry but this isn't a L2P issue for anyone besides you. Go drop the proc sets and fight a NB running 4 procs with poison then tell me how much of a L2P issue it is.


You know there was a time once when you had to actually strategically play the game, that time is long gone. Now everything is pure RNG, skill has been thrown out the window for a grindfest on heavy rng gear that is extraordinarily OP when you have multiple sets of procs on.

First of all I am against proc sets in pvp however they shouldn't be nerfed just for pvp because pve players also use them I have pve friends that use them in their dps rotation its essential to some and I find it funny how pvp player want to tell pvers how to dps Lol. Second like I said if you don't like proc sets DO NOT USE THEM, if most of you guys followed that idea pvp wouldn’t be this bad but NOOO gotta copy every streamer and youtube build right?

Im confused with the bolded part. I just told you I don't need to wear proc sets and I BEAT other that do wear them do I still need to L2P?

I think some of you guys need to adjust your own builds, stop copying streamer/you tubers stop play Fotm and make your own builds. You' d be surprised how much more fluid it is to pvp

You realized no one has a problem with just one proc sets which most PVE build use they only use one if they using more than they DPs going into the crappier and they don't know what their doing.No serious PVE defends proc sets and say don't Nerf them.They see how broken they are in PVP and the only person defending them are people like you who don't know what the hell their talking aboutand people who just want easy kills or pve only players who don't care about PVP and don't want balance. Like I said no one have problem with someone using 1 proc sets its their ability to stack which is the issue and why most people asking for that to no longer be the case.

If we follow your logic every broken thing in PVP won't be fixed because some PVE makes him feel good .Give any boss multiple proc sets and every PVEr Would be Herr crying.They already cry about the difficulty off the world boss when you can solo most of them or that they now have to actually learn the mechanics of dungeons.We shouldn't balance a game for them and the Dev that thank they should should be fired and never hired on any game again.

I think Im going brain dead with the bolded part. This is what happens when you use emotions in an argument.

I'm not a pve player, and pve players don't want them nerfed because you have to earn them, why would you run a dungeon a get these sets if they are nerfed? Also if the proc sets were nerfed ( which they should be) it should be a battle spirit nerf that doen't effect pve but knowing Wrobel he will blanket nerf the sets across he board.

Players will always want easy kills and will always follow the meta I bet you wear these sets them complain about them, balance went out the window when CP was introduced this isn't really super bad, there were worst cheese builds remeber bombing blades? This games pvp has and always will be imbalanced because of CP nerfing proc sets would just be a band aid fix you guys would still complain about something else.

And should proc sets be nerf and I think they should put the nerf in battle spirit, but I have a feeling Wrobel won't do that.

Edit: bottom half of your argument sounds so entitled its not even funny most of Zos profit comes from the PVE audience, in the case that Zos doent nerf the sets then stop being selfish and either,

L2P( don't follow the meta) or Play a different game.

Lmao dude only proc set I run is blood spawn.Ask @Ron_Burgundy_79 or @texassob I talk crap about them for using proc sets like viper red mountain and velidreth.Honestly no other cheesebuild has been as bad as this you know why because even with all of those cheese builds you had to use abilities, their some type of skill here their nothing all you have to do is light attack someone you can do 12 worth of damage because of the sets your wearing.Their no bigger cheese than that.

Like I said before you just dont know what your talking about No one is asking for a complete Nerf of the sets most are asking that 1.A set can not proc another proc set.2.A GCD on a proc set so two can't proc at the same time,2-3 seconds is all that's needed to deter someone from running multiple proc sets.The problem isn't one proc set its people stacking multiple proc sets.No set should play the game for you its common sense anyone against that I don't know what's wrong with that.Again no one who know what their talking about want a blanket Nerf of these sets just want them balanced.

How easy The dungeons are your not earning anything .Plus if you really where a PVP player you would want balance no Nerf they do to these sets would affect PVE which you know they can just adjust the mobs health and resistances so they won't notice the difference.Thats not true at all they make most of the money off Of Role players and soloers who the majority dont do the content to get these sets.So nerfing these sets won't affect them at all.

We give @Jaronking a hard time about being a "metablade", but to be fair, he doesn't run proc sets.

As far as myself and @texassob running proc sets, last time I checked there weren't any on BF1.

Thank you and your never on when I am to play BF1 .

smashcats

how about somebody make an argonian (they get poison resist right?) and level up the right cp passive and make a viper resist build? lol

Xvorg

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

radiostar wrote: »

Pls don't nerf PvE over this. Not again!

You never needed these ridiculously high damage proc sets in PvE, since almost all of PvE is braindead easy.

Have you got Dro-m'anthra Destroyer yet? No? Well, then PvE is not braindead easy.
You "PvP only people" think that PvP requires so much skill and everything and always say that PvE is face roll easy. Yet, those PvPer when they do a pledge they are dead most of the time or spamming Dizzy Swing on a boss doing around 15k DPS.

Both PvP and PvE require different things. PvE can be considered easier once you've learned the mechanics. But its not like PvP is extremely hard either. In both situations if you are a good player, then you won't struggle most of the time.

well, you need skill to kill a human with a proc set not using any procs.

Anti_Virus

Jaronking wrote: »

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Jaronking wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Holy crap some if you pvpers are rude and straight stupid makes pvpers like me look bad. You complain about procc sets yet go out of your way to farm them.

If you hate them so bad guess what Don't farm them and Don't wear them simple I don't wear them and I do just fine in PVP if you have to wear proc sets to compete then you need to L2P.

Stop being selfish and leave proc sets alone for pvers they have a right to enjoy them too.

Because grinding RNG, then relying on RNG, makes you a skillful player right?

It's skill based to rely on 3-4 procs, and even poison procs? It's a L2P issue because you're hit with 4 set procs at one time totally over 13k damage in under a second?

Sorry but this isn't a L2P issue for anyone besides you. Go drop the proc sets and fight a NB running 4 procs with poison then tell me how much of a L2P issue it is.


You know there was a time once when you had to actually strategically play the game, that time is long gone. Now everything is pure RNG, skill has been thrown out the window for a grindfest on heavy rng gear that is extraordinarily OP when you have multiple sets of procs on.

First of all I am against proc sets in pvp however they shouldn't be nerfed just for pvp because pve players also use them I have pve friends that use them in their dps rotation its essential to some and I find it funny how pvp player want to tell pvers how to dps Lol. Second like I said if you don't like proc sets DO NOT USE THEM, if most of you guys followed that idea pvp wouldn’t be this bad but NOOO gotta copy every streamer and youtube build right?

Im confused with the bolded part. I just told you I don't need to wear proc sets and I BEAT other that do wear them do I still need to L2P?

I think some of you guys need to adjust your own builds, stop copying streamer/you tubers stop play Fotm and make your own builds. You' d be surprised how much more fluid it is to pvp

You realized no one has a problem with just one proc sets which most PVE build use they only use one if they using more than they DPs going into the crappier and they don't know what their doing.No serious PVE defends proc sets and say don't Nerf them.They see how broken they are in PVP and the only person defending them are people like you who don't know what the hell their talking aboutand people who just want easy kills or pve only players who don't care about PVP and don't want balance. Like I said no one have problem with someone using 1 proc sets its their ability to stack which is the issue and why most people asking for that to no longer be the case.

If we follow your logic every broken thing in PVP won't be fixed because some PVE makes him feel good .Give any boss multiple proc sets and every PVEr Would be Herr crying.They already cry about the difficulty off the world boss when you can solo most of them or that they now have to actually learn the mechanics of dungeons.We shouldn't balance a game for them and the Dev that thank they should should be fired and never hired on any game again.

I think Im going brain dead with the bolded part. This is what happens when you use emotions in an argument.

I'm not a pve player, and pve players don't want them nerfed because you have to earn them, why would you run a dungeon a get these sets if they are nerfed? Also if the proc sets were nerfed ( which they should be) it should be a battle spirit nerf that doen't effect pve but knowing Wrobel he will blanket nerf the sets across he board.

Players will always want easy kills and will always follow the meta I bet you wear these sets them complain about them, balance went out the window when CP was introduced this isn't really super bad, there were worst cheese builds remeber bombing blades? This games pvp has and always will be imbalanced because of CP nerfing proc sets would just be a band aid fix you guys would still complain about something else.

And should proc sets be nerf and I think they should put the nerf in battle spirit, but I have a feeling Wrobel won't do that.

Edit: bottom half of your argument sounds so entitled its not even funny most of Zos profit comes from the PVE audience, in the case that Zos doent nerf the sets then stop being selfish and either,

L2P( don't follow the meta) or Play a different game.

Lmao dude only proc set I run is blood spawn.Ask @Ron_Burgundy_79 or @texassob I talk crap about them for using proc sets like viper red mountain and velidreth.Honestly no other cheesebuild has been as bad as this you know why because even with all of those cheese builds you had to use abilities, their some type of skill here their nothing all you have to do is light attack someone you can do 12 worth of damage because of the sets your wearing.Their no bigger cheese than that.

Like I said before you just dont know what your talking about No one is asking for a complete Nerf of the sets most are asking that 1.A set can not proc another proc set.2.A GCD on a proc set so two can't proc at the same time,2-3 seconds is all that's needed to deter someone from running multiple proc sets.The problem isn't one proc set its people stacking multiple proc sets.No set should play the game for you its common sense anyone against that I don't know what's wrong with that.Again no one who know what their talking about want a blanket Nerf of these sets just want them balanced.

How easy The dungeons are your not earning anything .Plus if you really were a PVP player you would want balance no Nerf they do to these sets would affect PVE which you know they can just adjust the mobs health and resistances so they won't notice the difference.Thats not true at all they make most of the money off Of Role players and soloers who the majority dont do the content to get these sets.So nerfing these sets won't affect them at all.

Where do I start. Although don't want to directly nerf proc sets most pvpers want to nerf each individual set, I had a pvp friend complain about Valkyn skoria and another complain about Velidreth and they wanted them nerfed in dmg and CD

2nd you said no one earns these set? LOL are you joking? Run one of these dungeons on vet mode with 1T update and see how easy it is. This is what happens when you pigeon hold yourself into one part of a game. You probably bought your blood spawn from the cyrodil vendor.

if you know RP means you would know that pve exclusive players are pretty much role players some way more than others and they partake in pve content, They are the heros they go into a dungeon kill the bad guy get the loot and glory.

Reguardless if they nerf them or not It doesn't effect me I PVP more than I pve and I don't use these sets, but you would be hurting the PVE players for your own benefit and will cause lots of Pve QQ. Besides after this you will find somthing else to QQ about

Lmao dude I done every dungeon in this game including Vet WGT,ICP,Ruin and Cradle all hardmode done before and after the update and every trial but VetMOl on Vet dude.Those dungeon are so easy its stupid people are soloing them.Check out @Ch4mpTW threads in General discussion he solo a good majority in the first week.These sets are so easy to get ts stupid the hardest thing about getting these sets is the RNG involved.

Believe it or not I don't really care I didn't buy my Bloodspawn from the PVP Vendor because one they haven't sold the shoulders yet plus I got mine before TG when they removed Impen from PVE.My helm infused heavy I got from doing Spindle after they removed Impen from the table haven't got any helm other than training when I ran it.Not farming spindle for the helm when my infused one just fine.Don't talk like you know me dude I spend my time 75-80% of my time in PVP doesn't mean I don't do PVE.

Its the reason why I know any PVE who know what their doing are not running two proc sets so adding a GCD doesn't hurt not one PVE player so your argument is mute. I know many PVE players who don't RP and do the content just to do it they find it fun and none of them use more than 1 proc set of Amy at all.The only people who will QQ are the one who don't have a clue in the first place.Or complaining just because it was a change to balance PVP.They blame PVPers for changes PVERS cost.

I think you keep missing point most pve builds run ONE proc set but pvp players want to nerf that for their own benefit. Valkyn skoria was nerfed for a while because of PVP QQ and magicka builds couldn't use them for a while until 1T, do you want to do that to all players that use one proc set in their builds just so you can PVP better? I hope its just a battle spirt nerf.

Careful what you wish for...

Xvorg

Soris wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

LadyDestiny wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

radiostar wrote: »

Pls don't nerf PvE over this. Not again!

You never needed these ridiculously high damage proc sets in PvE, since almost all of PvE is braindead easy.

It became braindead easy because everyone cried "nerf", Everything is killing me! Because pvpers cried "nerf", everyone is killing me!

PvE did not become braindead easy because of any crying PvP players. It became easy because the casuals that make up the majority of ESO's player base these days just want to walk through all the content without effort.

Oh i remember Doshia from the Fighters Guild quest line around lvl 10s in beta. Most OP boss in those days as a solo player. What a cancer fight was that. But actually very challenging and fun!

Met her again couple days ago with my alt and I felt so sorry for her. I cried inside.

I remember doing once and again "Castle of the worm" in the main quest, when you meet Mannimarco for the first time and it took me a couple of days and grind to learn how to beat those OP skeletons.

A couple weeks ago I met them again and killed them just using heavy attacks while having leeching strikes (yes, leeching strikes) toggled

Smasherx74

not gonna lie, you really had me going there for a second.

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Jaronking wrote: »

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Jaronking wrote: »

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Jaronking wrote: »

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Smasherx74 wrote: »

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Holy crap some if you pvpers are rude and straight stupid makes pvpers like me look bad. You complain about procc sets yet go out of your way to farm them.

If you hate them so bad guess what Don't farm them and Don't wear them simple I don't wear them and I do just fine in PVP if you have to wear proc sets to compete then you need to L2P.

Stop being selfish and leave proc sets alone for pvers they have a right to enjoy them too.

Because grinding RNG, then relying on RNG, makes you a skillful player right?

It's skill based to rely on 3-4 procs, and even poison procs? It's a L2P issue because you're hit with 4 set procs at one time totally over 13k damage in under a second?

Sorry but this isn't a L2P issue for anyone besides you. Go drop the proc sets and fight a NB running 4 procs with poison then tell me how much of a L2P issue it is.


You know there was a time once when you had to actually strategically play the game, that time is long gone. Now everything is pure RNG, skill has been thrown out the window for a grindfest on heavy rng gear that is extraordinarily OP when you have multiple sets of procs on.

First of all I am against proc sets in pvp however they shouldn't be nerfed just for pvp because pve players also use them I have pve friends that use them in their dps rotation its essential to some and I find it funny how pvp player want to tell pvers how to dps Lol. Second like I said if you don't like proc sets DO NOT USE THEM, if most of you guys followed that idea pvp wouldn’t be this bad but NOOO gotta copy every streamer and youtube build right?

Im confused with the bolded part. I just told you I don't need to wear proc sets and I BEAT other that do wear them do I still need to L2P?

I think some of you guys need to adjust your own builds, stop copying streamer/you tubers stop play Fotm and make your own builds. You' d be surprised how much more fluid it is to pvp

You realized no one has a problem with just one proc sets which most PVE build use they only use one if they using more than they DPs going into the crappier and they don't know what their doing.No serious PVE defends proc sets and say don't Nerf them.They see how broken they are in PVP and the only person defending them are people like you who don't know what the hell their talking aboutand people who just want easy kills or pve only players who don't care about PVP and don't want balance. Like I said no one have problem with someone using 1 proc sets its their ability to stack which is the issue and why most people asking for that to no longer be the case.

If we follow your logic every broken thing in PVP won't be fixed because some PVE makes him feel good .Give any boss multiple proc sets and every PVEr Would be Herr crying.They already cry about the difficulty off the world boss when you can solo most of them or that they now have to actually learn the mechanics of dungeons.We shouldn't balance a game for them and the Dev that thank they should should be fired and never hired on any game again.

I think Im going brain dead with the bolded part. This is what happens when you use emotions in an argument.

I'm not a pve player, and pve players don't want them nerfed because you have to earn them, why would you run a dungeon a get these sets if they are nerfed? Also if the proc sets were nerfed ( which they should be) it should be a battle spirit nerf that doen't effect pve but knowing Wrobel he will blanket nerf the sets across he board.

Players will always want easy kills and will always follow the meta I bet you wear these sets them complain about them, balance went out the window when CP was introduced this isn't really super bad, there were worst cheese builds remeber bombing blades? This games pvp has and always will be imbalanced because of CP nerfing proc sets would just be a band aid fix you guys would still complain about something else.

And should proc sets be nerf and I think they should put the nerf in battle spirit, but I have a feeling Wrobel won't do that.

Edit: bottom half of your argument sounds so entitled its not even funny most of Zos profit comes from the PVE audience, in the case that Zos doent nerf the sets then stop being selfish and either,

L2P( don't follow the meta) or Play a different game.

Lmao dude only proc set I run is blood spawn.Ask @Ron_Burgundy_79 or @texassob I talk crap about them for using proc sets like viper red mountain and velidreth.Honestly no other cheesebuild has been as bad as this you know why because even with all of those cheese builds you had to use abilities, their some type of skill here their nothing all you have to do is light attack someone you can do 12 worth of damage because of the sets your wearing.Their no bigger cheese than that.

Like I said before you just dont know what your talking about No one is asking for a complete Nerf of the sets most are asking that 1.A set can not proc another proc set.2.A GCD on a proc set so two can't proc at the same time,2-3 seconds is all that's needed to deter someone from running multiple proc sets.The problem isn't one proc set its people stacking multiple proc sets.No set should play the game for you its common sense anyone against that I don't know what's wrong with that.Again no one who know what their talking about want a blanket Nerf of these sets just want them balanced.

How easy The dungeons are your not earning anything .Plus if you really were a PVP player you would want balance no Nerf they do to these sets would affect PVE which you know they can just adjust the mobs health and resistances so they won't notice the difference.Thats not true at all they make most of the money off Of Role players and soloers who the majority dont do the content to get these sets.So nerfing these sets won't affect them at all.

Where do I start. Although don't want to directly nerf proc sets most pvpers want to nerf each individual set, I had a pvp friend complain about Valkyn skoria and another complain about Velidreth and they wanted them nerfed in dmg and CD

2nd you said no one earns these set? LOL are you joking? Run one of these dungeons on vet mode with 1T update and see how easy it is. This is what happens when you pigeon hold yourself into one part of a game. You probably bought your blood spawn from the cyrodil vendor.

if you know RP means you would know that pve exclusive players are pretty much role players some way more than others and they partake in pve content, They are the heros they go into a dungeon kill the bad guy get the loot and glory.

Reguardless if they nerf them or not It doesn't effect me I PVP more than I pve and I don't use these sets, but you would be hurting the PVE players for your own benefit and will cause lots of Pve QQ. Besides after this you will find somthing else to QQ about

Lmao dude I done every dungeon in this game including Vet WGT,ICP,Ruin and Cradle all hardmode done before and after the update and every trial but VetMOl on Vet dude.Those dungeon are so easy its stupid people are soloing them.Check out @Ch4mpTW threads in General discussion he solo a good majority in the first week.These sets are so easy to get ts stupid the hardest thing about getting these sets is the RNG involved.

Believe it or not I don't really care I didn't buy my Bloodspawn from the PVP Vendor because one they haven't sold the shoulders yet plus I got mine before TG when they removed Impen from PVE.My helm infused heavy I got from doing Spindle after they removed Impen from the table haven't got any helm other than training when I ran it.Not farming spindle for the helm when my infused one just fine.Don't talk like you know me dude I spend my time 75-80% of my time in PVP doesn't mean I don't do PVE.

Its the reason why I know any PVE who know what their doing are not running two proc sets so adding a GCD doesn't hurt not one PVE player so your argument is mute. I know many PVE players who don't RP and do the content just to do it they find it fun and none of them use more than 1 proc set of Amy at all.The only people who will QQ are the one who don't have a clue in the first place.Or complaining just because it was a change to balance PVP.They blame PVPers for changes PVERS cost.

I think you keep missing point most pve builds run ONE proc set but pvp players want to nerf that for their own benefit. Valkyn skoria was nerfed for a while because f PVP QQ and magicka builds couldn't use them for a while until 1T, do you want to do that to all players that use one proc set in their builds just so you can PVP better? I hope its just a battle spirt nerf.

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I want to get rid of RNG doing nearly 20k+ on its self.

Can we please bring skill back to PVP especially with duels being introduced? Sorry you grinded a "cheese build"", but the rest of us want to actually play the game with skill not rng.

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Holy crap some if you pvpers are rude and straight stupid makes pvpers like me look bad. You complain about procc sets yet go out of your way to farm them.

If you hate them so bad guess what Don't farm them and Don't wear them simple I don't wear them and I do just fine in PVP if you have to wear proc sets to compete then you need to L2P.

Stop being selfish and leave proc sets alone for pvers they have a right to enjoy them too.

Because grinding RNG, then relying on RNG, makes you a skillful player right?

It's skill based to rely on 3-4 procs, and even poison procs? It's a L2P issue because you're hit with 4 set procs at one time totally over 13k damage in under a second?

Sorry but this isn't a L2P issue for anyone besides you. Go drop the proc sets and fight a NB running 4 procs with poison then tell me how much of a L2P issue it is.


You know there was a time once when you had to actually strategically play the game, that time is long gone. Now everything is pure RNG, skill has been thrown out the window for a grindfest on heavy rng gear that is extraordinarily OP when you have multiple sets of procs on.

First of all I am against proc sets in pvp however they shouldn't be nerfed just for pvp because pve players also use them I have pve friends that use them in their dps rotation its essential to some and I find it funny how pvp player want to tell pvers how to dps Lol. Second like I said if you don't like proc sets DO NOT USE THEM, if most of you guys followed that idea pvp wouldn’t be this bad but NOOO gotta copy every streamer and youtube build right?

Im confused with the bolded part. I just told you I don't need to wear proc sets and I BEAT other that do wear them do I still need to L2P?

I think some of you guys need to adjust your own builds, stop copying streamer/you tubers stop play Fotm and make your own builds. You' d be surprised how much more fluid it is to pvp

You realized no one has a problem with just one proc sets which most PVE build use they only use one if they using more than they DPs going into the crappier and they don't know what their doing.No serious PVE defends proc sets and say don't Nerf them.They see how broken they are in PVP and the only person defending them are people like you who don't know what the hell their talking aboutand people who just want easy kills or pve only players who don't care about PVP and don't want balance. Like I said no one have problem with someone using 1 proc sets its their ability to stack which is the issue and why most people asking for that to no longer be the case.

If we follow your logic every broken thing in PVP won't be fixed because some PVE makes him feel good .Give any boss multiple proc sets and every PVEr Would be Herr crying.They already cry about the difficulty off the world boss when you can solo most of them or that they now have to actually learn the mechanics of dungeons.We shouldn't balance a game for them and the Dev that thank they should should be fired and never hired on any game again.

I think Im going brain dead with the bolded part. This is what happens when you use emotions in an argument.

I'm not a pve player, and pve players don't want them nerfed because you have to earn them, why would you run a dungeon a get these sets if they are nerfed? Also if the proc sets were nerfed ( which they should be) it should be a battle spirit nerf that doen't effect pve but knowing Wrobel he will blanket nerf the sets across he board.

Players will always want easy kills and will always follow the meta I bet you wear these sets them complain about them, balance went out the window when CP was introduced this isn't really super bad, there were worst cheese builds remeber bombing blades? This games pvp has and always will be imbalanced because of CP nerfing proc sets would just be a band aid fix you guys would still complain about something else.

And should proc sets be nerf and I think they should put the nerf in battle spirit, but I have a feeling Wrobel won't do that.

Edit: bottom half of your argument sounds so entitled its not even funny most of Zos profit comes from the PVE audience, in the case that Zos doent nerf the sets then stop being selfish and either,

L2P( don't follow the meta) or Play a different game.

Lmao dude only proc set I run is blood spawn.Ask @Ron_Burgundy_79 or @texassob I talk crap about them for using proc sets like viper red mountain and velidreth.Honestly no other cheesebuild has been as bad as this you know why because even with all of those cheese builds you had to use abilities, their some type of skill here their nothing all you have to do is light attack someone you can do 12 worth of damage because of the sets your wearing.Their no bigger cheese than that.

Like I said before you just dont know what your talking about No one is asking for a complete Nerf of the sets most are asking that 1.A set can not proc another proc set.2.A GCD on a proc set so two can't proc at the same time,2-3 seconds is all that's needed to deter someone from running multiple proc sets.The problem isn't one proc set its people stacking multiple proc sets.No set should play the game for you its common sense anyone against that I don't know what's wrong with that.Again no one who know what their talking about want a blanket Nerf of these sets just want them balanced.

How easy The dungeons are your not earning anything .Plus if you really were a PVP player you would want balance no Nerf they do to these sets would affect PVE which you know they can just adjust the mobs health and resistances so they won't notice the difference.Thats not true at all they make most of the money off Of Role players and soloers who the majority dont do the content to get these sets.So nerfing these sets won't affect them at all.

Where do I start. Although don't want to directly nerf proc sets most pvpers want to nerf each individual set, I had a pvp friend complain about Valkyn skoria and another complain about Velidreth and they wanted them nerfed in dmg and CD

2nd you said no one earns these set? LOL are you joking? Run one of these dungeons on vet mode with 1T update and see how easy it is. This is what happens when you pigeon hold yourself into one part of a game. You probably bought your blood spawn from the cyrodil vendor.

if you know RP means you would know that pve exclusive players are pretty much role players some way more than others and they partake in pve content, They are the heros they go into a dungeon kill the bad guy get the loot and glory.

Reguardless if they nerf them or not It doesn't effect me I PVP more than I pve and I don't use these sets, but you would be hurting the PVE players for your own benefit and will cause lots of Pve QQ. Besides after this you will find somthing else to QQ about

Lmao dude I done every dungeon in this game including Vet WGT,ICP,Ruin and Cradle all hardmode done before and after the update and every trial but VetMOl on Vet dude.Those dungeon are so easy its stupid people are soloing them.Check out @Ch4mpTW threads in General discussion he solo a good majority in the first week.These sets are so easy to get ts stupid the hardest thing about getting these sets is the RNG involved.

Believe it or not I don't really care I didn't buy my Bloodspawn from the PVP Vendor because one they haven't sold the shoulders yet plus I got mine before TG when they removed Impen from PVE.My helm infused heavy I got from doing Spindle after they removed Impen from the table haven't got any helm other than training when I ran it.Not farming spindle for the helm when my infused one just fine.Don't talk like you know me dude I spend my time 75-80% of my time in PVP doesn't mean I don't do PVE.

Its the reason why I know any PVE who know what their doing are not running two proc sets so adding a GCD doesn't hurt not one PVE player so your argument is mute. I know many PVE players who don't RP and do the content just to do it they find it fun and none of them use more than 1 proc set of Amy at all.The only people who will QQ are the one who don't have a clue in the first place.Or complaining just because it was a change to balance PVP.They blame PVPers for changes PVERS cost.

I think you keep missing point most pve builds run ONE proc set but pvp players want to nerf that for their own benefit. Valkyn skoria was nerfed for a while because f PVP QQ and magicka builds couldn't use them for a while until 1T, do you want to do that to all players that use one proc set in their builds just so you can PVP better? I hope its just a battle spirt nerf.

Careful what you wish for...

I want to get rid of RNG doing nearly 20k+ on its self.

Can we please bring skill back to PVP especially with duels being introduced? Sorry you grinded a "cheese build", but the rest of us want to actually play the game with skill not rng.

Lol what cheese build? Do you have trouble reading or what? I don't wear proc sets I even shared my build with you and you laughed. Lol I'm dealing with proctards while you are here QQing.

ZOS please nerf proc sets in battle spirit so It doen't hurt PVErs, There now you can QQ about something else.

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Holy crap some if you pvpers are rude and straight stupid makes pvpers like me look bad. You complain about procc sets yet go out of your way to farm them.

If you hate them so bad guess what Don't farm them and Don't wear them simple I don't wear them and I do just fine in PVP if you have to wear proc sets to compete then you need to L2P.

Stop being selfish and leave proc sets alone for pvers they have a right to enjoy them too.

Because grinding RNG, then relying on RNG, makes you a skillful player right?

It's skill based to rely on 3-4 procs, and even poison procs? It's a L2P issue because you're hit with 4 set procs at one time totally over 13k damage in under a second?

Sorry but this isn't a L2P issue for anyone besides you. Go drop the proc sets and fight a NB running 4 procs with poison then tell me how much of a L2P issue it is.


You know there was a time once when you had to actually strategically play the game, that time is long gone. Now everything is pure RNG, skill has been thrown out the window for a grindfest on heavy rng gear that is extraordinarily OP when you have multiple sets of procs on.

First of all I am against proc sets in pvp however they shouldn't be nerfed just for pvp because pve players also use them I have pve friends that use them in their dps rotation its essential to some and I find it funny how pvp player want to tell pvers how to dps Lol. Second like I said if you don't like proc sets DO NOT USE THEM, if most of you guys followed that idea pvp wouldn’t be this bad but NOOO gotta copy every streamer and youtube build right?

Im confused with the bolded part. I just told you I don't need to wear proc sets and I BEAT other that do wear them do I still need to L2P?

I think some of you guys need to adjust your own builds, stop copying streamer/you tubers stop play Fotm and make your own builds. You' d be surprised how much more fluid it is to pvp

You realized no one has a problem with just one proc sets which most PVE build use they only use one if they using more than they DPs going into the crappier and they don't know what their doing.No serious PVE defends proc sets and say don't Nerf them.They see how broken they are in PVP and the only person defending them are people like you who don't know what the hell their talking aboutand people who just want easy kills or pve only players who don't care about PVP and don't want balance. Like I said no one have problem with someone using 1 proc sets its their ability to stack which is the issue and why most people asking for that to no longer be the case.

If we follow your logic every broken thing in PVP won't be fixed because some PVE makes him feel good .Give any boss multiple proc sets and every PVEr Would be Herr crying.They already cry about the difficulty off the world boss when you can solo most of them or that they now have to actually learn the mechanics of dungeons.We shouldn't balance a game for them and the Dev that thank they should should be fired and never hired on any game again.

I think Im going brain dead with the bolded part. This is what happens when you use emotions in an argument.

I'm not a pve player, and pve players don't want them nerfed because you have to earn them, why would you run a dungeon a get these sets if they are nerfed? Also if the proc sets were nerfed ( which they should be) it should be a battle spirit nerf that doen't effect pve but knowing Wrobel he will blanket nerf the sets across he board.

Players will always want easy kills and will always follow the meta I bet you wear these sets them complain about them, balance went out the window when CP was introduced this isn't really super bad, there were worst cheese builds remeber bombing blades? This games pvp has and always will be imbalanced because of CP nerfing proc sets would just be a band aid fix you guys would still complain about something else.

And should proc sets be nerf and I think they should put the nerf in battle spirit, but I have a feeling Wrobel won't do that.

Edit: bottom half of your argument sounds so entitled its not even funny most of Zos profit comes from the PVE audience, in the case that Zos doent nerf the sets then stop being selfish and either,

L2P( don't follow the meta) or Play a different game.

Lmao dude only proc set I run is blood spawn.Ask @Ron_Burgundy_79 or @texassob I talk crap about them for using proc sets like viper red mountain and velidreth.Honestly no other cheesebuild has been as bad as this you know why because even with all of those cheese builds you had to use abilities, their some type of skill here their nothing all you have to do is light attack someone you can do 12 worth of damage because of the sets your wearing.Their no bigger cheese than that.

Like I said before you just dont know what your talking about No one is asking for a complete Nerf of the sets most are asking that 1.A set can not proc another proc set.2.A GCD on a proc set so two can't proc at the same time,2-3 seconds is all that's needed to deter someone from running multiple proc sets.The problem isn't one proc set its people stacking multiple proc sets.No set should play the game for you its common sense anyone against that I don't know what's wrong with that.Again no one who know what their talking about want a blanket Nerf of these sets just want them balanced.

How easy The dungeons are your not earning anything .Plus if you really were a PVP player you would want balance no Nerf they do to these sets would affect PVE which you know they can just adjust the mobs health and resistances so they won't notice the difference.Thats not true at all they make most of the money off Of Role players and soloers who the majority dont do the content to get these sets.So nerfing these sets won't affect them at all.

Where do I start. Although don't want to directly nerf proc sets most pvpers want to nerf each individual set, I had a pvp friend complain about Valkyn skoria and another complain about Velidreth and they wanted them nerfed in dmg and CD

2nd you said no one earns these set? LOL are you joking? Run one of these dungeons on vet mode with 1T update and see how easy it is. This is what happens when you pigeon hold yourself into one part of a game. You probably bought your blood spawn from the cyrodil vendor.

if you know RP means you would know that pve exclusive players are pretty much role players some way more than others and they partake in pve content, They are the heros they go into a dungeon kill the bad guy get the loot and glory.

Reguardless if they nerf them or not It doesn't effect me I PVP more than I pve and I don't use these sets, but you would be hurting the PVE players for your own benefit and will cause lots of Pve QQ. Besides after this you will find somthing else to QQ about

Lmao dude I done every dungeon in this game including Vet WGT,ICP,Ruin and Cradle all hardmode done before and after the update and every trial but VetMOl on Vet dude.Those dungeon are so easy its stupid people are soloing them.Check out @Ch4mpTW threads in General discussion he solo a good majority in the first week.These sets are so easy to get ts stupid the hardest thing about getting these sets is the RNG involved.

Believe it or not I don't really care I didn't buy my Bloodspawn from the PVP Vendor because one they haven't sold the shoulders yet plus I got mine before TG when they removed Impen from PVE.My helm infused heavy I got from doing Spindle after they removed Impen from the table haven't got any helm other than training when I ran it.Not farming spindle for the helm when my infused one just fine.Don't talk like you know me dude I spend my time 75-80% of my time in PVP doesn't mean I don't do PVE.

Its the reason why I know any PVE who know what their doing are not running two proc sets so adding a GCD doesn't hurt not one PVE player so your argument is mute. I know many PVE players who don't RP and do the content just to do it they find it fun and none of them use more than 1 proc set of Amy at all.The only people who will QQ are the one who don't have a clue in the first place.Or complaining just because it was a change to balance PVP.They blame PVPers for changes PVERS cost.

I think you keep missing point most pve builds run ONE proc set but pvp players want to nerf that for their own benefit. Valkyn skoria was nerfed for a while because of PVP QQ and magicka builds couldn't use them for a while until 1T, do you want to do that to all players that use one proc set in their builds just so you can PVP better? I hope its just a battle spirt nerf.

Careful what you wish for...

No just because your guildmates can't handle 1 proc set doesn't mean the rest of us can.1 Proc set isn't the problem ,anyone can survive 1 proc set easy if your friends can't they need to work on their builds.TBH I haven't seen or taken anyone serious when they say make a blakent Nerf .@Joy_Division Had a great idea where a good chunk of players support add a global cool down on a proc set so of you stack a proc set two can not go off at the same time.That's people problem with the sets and even of its not a battle spirit Nerf it wouldn't affect PVE in a negative way,Since as you said its most PVE builds use one proc set.Their was only magica proc sets before they where added in update 11 before than we did not have any proc sets but magica. Stam builds was using Skoria because they mainly ran Dots.Yes they nerfed skoria before but since bout 1.6 it been buffed and many builds used it they even buffed it more with 1T.Same with most of the monster sets 1.6 and beyond they been good that's a year +magic builds been able to use them.You know the difference between magic proc sets and Stam you have to build for that damage. For skoria to work I need to run multiple dots.Viper and veil all I have to do is light attack someone. Yes that's broken.

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Holy crap some if you pvpers are rude and straight stupid makes pvpers like me look bad. You complain about procc sets yet go out of your way to farm them.

If you hate them so bad guess what Don't farm them and Don't wear them simple I don't wear them and I do just fine in PVP if you have to wear proc sets to compete then you need to L2P.

Stop being selfish and leave proc sets alone for pvers they have a right to enjoy them too.

Because grinding RNG, then relying on RNG, makes you a skillful player right?

It's skill based to rely on 3-4 procs, and even poison procs? It's a L2P issue because you're hit with 4 set procs at one time totally over 13k damage in under a second?

Sorry but this isn't a L2P issue for anyone besides you. Go drop the proc sets and fight a NB running 4 procs with poison then tell me how much of a L2P issue it is.


You know there was a time once when you had to actually strategically play the game, that time is long gone. Now everything is pure RNG, skill has been thrown out the window for a grindfest on heavy rng gear that is extraordinarily OP when you have multiple sets of procs on.

First of all I am against proc sets in pvp however they shouldn't be nerfed just for pvp because pve players also use them I have pve friends that use them in their dps rotation its essential to some and I find it funny how pvp player want to tell pvers how to dps Lol. Second like I said if you don't like proc sets DO NOT USE THEM, if most of you guys followed that idea pvp wouldn’t be this bad but NOOO gotta copy every streamer and youtube build right?

Im confused with the bolded part. I just told you I don't need to wear proc sets and I BEAT other that do wear them do I still need to L2P?

I think some of you guys need to adjust your own builds, stop copying streamer/you tubers stop play Fotm and make your own builds. You' d be surprised how much more fluid it is to pvp

You realized no one has a problem with just one proc sets which most PVE build use they only use one if they using more than they DPs going into the crappier and they don't know what their doing.No serious PVE defends proc sets and say don't Nerf them.They see how broken they are in PVP and the only person defending them are people like you who don't know what the hell their talking aboutand people who just want easy kills or pve only players who don't care about PVP and don't want balance. Like I said no one have problem with someone using 1 proc sets its their ability to stack which is the issue and why most people asking for that to no longer be the case.

If we follow your logic every broken thing in PVP won't be fixed because some PVE makes him feel good .Give any boss multiple proc sets and every PVEr Would be Herr crying.They already cry about the difficulty off the world boss when you can solo most of them or that they now have to actually learn the mechanics of dungeons.We shouldn't balance a game for them and the Dev that thank they should should be fired and never hired on any game again.

I think Im going brain dead with the bolded part. This is what happens when you use emotions in an argument.

I'm not a pve player, and pve players don't want them nerfed because you have to earn them, why would you run a dungeon a get these sets if they are nerfed? Also if the proc sets were nerfed ( which they should be) it should be a battle spirit nerf that doen't effect pve but knowing Wrobel he will blanket nerf the sets across he board.

Players will always want easy kills and will always follow the meta I bet you wear these sets them complain about them, balance went out the window when CP was introduced this isn't really super bad, there were worst cheese builds remeber bombing blades? This games pvp has and always will be imbalanced because of CP nerfing proc sets would just be a band aid fix you guys would still complain about something else.

And should proc sets be nerf and I think they should put the nerf in battle spirit, but I have a feeling Wrobel won't do that.

Edit: bottom half of your argument sounds so entitled its not even funny most of Zos profit comes from the PVE audience, in the case that Zos doent nerf the sets then stop being selfish and either,

L2P( don't follow the meta) or Play a different game.

Lmao dude only proc set I run is blood spawn.Ask @Ron_Burgundy_79 or @texassob I talk crap about them for using proc sets like viper red mountain and velidreth.Honestly no other cheesebuild has been as bad as this you know why because even with all of those cheese builds you had to use abilities, their some type of skill here their nothing all you have to do is light attack someone you can do 12 worth of damage because of the sets your wearing.Their no bigger cheese than that.

Like I said before you just dont know what your talking about No one is asking for a complete Nerf of the sets most are asking that 1.A set can not proc another proc set.2.A GCD on a proc set so two can't proc at the same time,2-3 seconds is all that's needed to deter someone from running multiple proc sets.The problem isn't one proc set its people stacking multiple proc sets.No set should play the game for you its common sense anyone against that I don't know what's wrong with that.Again no one who know what their talking about want a blanket Nerf of these sets just want them balanced.

How easy The dungeons are your not earning anything .Plus if you really were a PVP player you would want balance no Nerf they do to these sets would affect PVE which you know they can just adjust the mobs health and resistances so they won't notice the difference.Thats not true at all they make most of the money off Of Role players and soloers who the majority dont do the content to get these sets.So nerfing these sets won't affect them at all.

Where do I start. Although don't want to directly nerf proc sets most pvpers want to nerf each individual set, I had a pvp friend complain about Valkyn skoria and another complain about Velidreth and they wanted them nerfed in dmg and CD

2nd you said no one earns these set? LOL are you joking? Run one of these dungeons on vet mode with 1T update and see how easy it is. This is what happens when you pigeon hold yourself into one part of a game. You probably bought your blood spawn from the cyrodil vendor.

if you know RP means you would know that pve exclusive players are pretty much role players some way more than others and they partake in pve content, They are the heros they go into a dungeon kill the bad guy get the loot and glory.

Reguardless if they nerf them or not It doesn't effect me I PVP more than I pve and I don't use these sets, but you would be hurting the PVE players for your own benefit and will cause lots of Pve QQ. Besides after this you will find somthing else to QQ about

Lmao dude I done every dungeon in this game including Vet WGT,ICP,Ruin and Cradle all hardmode done before and after the update and every trial but VetMOl on Vet dude.Those dungeon are so easy its stupid people are soloing them.Check out @Ch4mpTW threads in General discussion he solo a good majority in the first week.These sets are so easy to get ts stupid the hardest thing about getting these sets is the RNG involved.

Believe it or not I don't really care I didn't buy my Bloodspawn from the PVP Vendor because one they haven't sold the shoulders yet plus I got mine before TG when they removed Impen from PVE.My helm infused heavy I got from doing Spindle after they removed Impen from the table haven't got any helm other than training when I ran it.Not farming spindle for the helm when my infused one just fine.Don't talk like you know me dude I spend my time 75-80% of my time in PVP doesn't mean I don't do PVE.

Its the reason why I know any PVE who know what their doing are not running two proc sets so adding a GCD doesn't hurt not one PVE player so your argument is mute. I know many PVE players who don't RP and do the content just to do it they find it fun and none of them use more than 1 proc set of Amy at all.The only people who will QQ are the one who don't have a clue in the first place.Or complaining just because it was a change to balance PVP.They blame PVPers for changes PVERS cost.

I think you keep missing point most pve builds run ONE proc set but pvp players want to nerf that for their own benefit. Valkyn skoria was nerfed for a while because of PVP QQ and magicka builds couldn't use them for a while until 1T, do you want to do that to all players that use one proc set in their builds just so you can PVP better? I hope its just a battle spirt nerf.

Careful what you wish for...

No just because your guildmates can't handle 1 proc set doesn't mean the rest of us can.1 Proc set isn't the problem ,anyone can survive 1 proc set easy if your friends can't they need to work on their builds.TBH I haven't seen or taken anyone serious when they say make a blakent Nerf .@Joy_Division Had a great idea where a good chunk of players support add a global cool down on a proc set so of you stack a proc set two can not go off at the same time.That's people problem with the sets and even of its not a battle spirit Nerf it wouldn't affect PVE in a negative way,Since as you said its most PVE builds use one proc set.Their was only magica proc sets before they where added in update 11 before than we did not have any proc sets but magica. Stam builds was using Skoria because they mainly ran Dots.Yes they nerfed skoria before but since bout 1.6 it been buffed and many builds used it they even buffed it more with 1T.Same with most of the monster sets 1.6 and beyond they been good that's a year +magic builds been able to use them.You know the difference between magic proc sets and Stam you have to build for that damage. For skoria to work I need to run multiple dots.Viper and veil all I have to do is light attack someone. Yes that's broken.

My guild members use proc sets for PVE not PVP but they don't ant them nerfed in PVE because of PVP unless it's a battle spirit nerf.

Btw Skoria is just as annoying as Veli, one dot can proc it( Not saying its OP but it's on par with Velidreth)

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Holy crap some if you pvpers are rude and straight stupid makes pvpers like me look bad. You complain about procc sets yet go out of your way to farm them.

If you hate them so bad guess what Don't farm them and Don't wear them simple I don't wear them and I do just fine in PVP if you have to wear proc sets to compete then you need to L2P.

Stop being selfish and leave proc sets alone for pvers they have a right to enjoy them too.

Because grinding RNG, then relying on RNG, makes you a skillful player right?

It's skill based to rely on 3-4 procs, and even poison procs? It's a L2P issue because you're hit with 4 set procs at one time totally over 13k damage in under a second?

Sorry but this isn't a L2P issue for anyone besides you. Go drop the proc sets and fight a NB running 4 procs with poison then tell me how much of a L2P issue it is.


You know there was a time once when you had to actually strategically play the game, that time is long gone. Now everything is pure RNG, skill has been thrown out the window for a grindfest on heavy rng gear that is extraordinarily OP when you have multiple sets of procs on.

First of all I am against proc sets in pvp however they shouldn't be nerfed just for pvp because pve players also use them I have pve friends that use them in their dps rotation its essential to some and I find it funny how pvp player want to tell pvers how to dps Lol. Second like I said if you don't like proc sets DO NOT USE THEM, if most of you guys followed that idea pvp wouldn’t be this bad but NOOO gotta copy every streamer and youtube build right?

Im confused with the bolded part. I just told you I don't need to wear proc sets and I BEAT other that do wear them do I still need to L2P?

I think some of you guys need to adjust your own builds, stop copying streamer/you tubers stop play Fotm and make your own builds. You' d be surprised how much more fluid it is to pvp

You realized no one has a problem with just one proc sets which most PVE build use they only use one if they using more than they DPs going into the crappier and they don't know what their doing.No serious PVE defends proc sets and say don't Nerf them.They see how broken they are in PVP and the only person defending them are people like you who don't know what the hell their talking aboutand people who just want easy kills or pve only players who don't care about PVP and don't want balance. Like I said no one have problem with someone using 1 proc sets its their ability to stack which is the issue and why most people asking for that to no longer be the case.

If we follow your logic every broken thing in PVP won't be fixed because some PVE makes him feel good .Give any boss multiple proc sets and every PVEr Would be Herr crying.They already cry about the difficulty off the world boss when you can solo most of them or that they now have to actually learn the mechanics of dungeons.We shouldn't balance a game for them and the Dev that thank they should should be fired and never hired on any game again.

I think Im going brain dead with the bolded part. This is what happens when you use emotions in an argument.

I'm not a pve player, and pve players don't want them nerfed because you have to earn them, why would you run a dungeon a get these sets if they are nerfed? Also if the proc sets were nerfed ( which they should be) it should be a battle spirit nerf that doen't effect pve but knowing Wrobel he will blanket nerf the sets across he board.

Players will always want easy kills and will always follow the meta I bet you wear these sets them complain about them, balance went out the window when CP was introduced this isn't really super bad, there were worst cheese builds remeber bombing blades? This games pvp has and always will be imbalanced because of CP nerfing proc sets would just be a band aid fix you guys would still complain about something else.

And should proc sets be nerf and I think they should put the nerf in battle spirit, but I have a feeling Wrobel won't do that.

Edit: bottom half of your argument sounds so entitled its not even funny most of Zos profit comes from the PVE audience, in the case that Zos doent nerf the sets then stop being selfish and either,

L2P( don't follow the meta) or Play a different game.

Lmao dude only proc set I run is blood spawn.Ask @Ron_Burgundy_79 or @texassob I talk crap about them for using proc sets like viper red mountain and velidreth.Honestly no other cheesebuild has been as bad as this you know why because even with all of those cheese builds you had to use abilities, their some type of skill here their nothing all you have to do is light attack someone you can do 12 worth of damage because of the sets your wearing.Their no bigger cheese than that.

Like I said before you just dont know what your talking about No one is asking for a complete Nerf of the sets most are asking that 1.A set can not proc another proc set.2.A GCD on a proc set so two can't proc at the same time,2-3 seconds is all that's needed to deter someone from running multiple proc sets.The problem isn't one proc set its people stacking multiple proc sets.No set should play the game for you its common sense anyone against that I don't know what's wrong with that.Again no one who know what their talking about want a blanket Nerf of these sets just want them balanced.

How easy The dungeons are your not earning anything .Plus if you really were a PVP player you would want balance no Nerf they do to these sets would affect PVE which you know they can just adjust the mobs health and resistances so they won't notice the difference.Thats not true at all they make most of the money off Of Role players and soloers who the majority dont do the content to get these sets.So nerfing these sets won't affect them at all.

Where do I start. Although don't want to directly nerf proc sets most pvpers want to nerf each individual set, I had a pvp friend complain about Valkyn skoria and another complain about Velidreth and they wanted them nerfed in dmg and CD

2nd you said no one earns these set? LOL are you joking? Run one of these dungeons on vet mode with 1T update and see how easy it is. This is what happens when you pigeon hold yourself into one part of a game. You probably bought your blood spawn from the cyrodil vendor.

if you know RP means you would know that pve exclusive players are pretty much role players some way more than others and they partake in pve content, They are the heros they go into a dungeon kill the bad guy get the loot and glory.

Reguardless if they nerf them or not It doesn't effect me I PVP more than I pve and I don't use these sets, but you would be hurting the PVE players for your own benefit and will cause lots of Pve QQ. Besides after this you will find somthing else to QQ about

Lmao dude I done every dungeon in this game including Vet WGT,ICP,Ruin and Cradle all hardmode done before and after the update and every trial but VetMOl on Vet dude.Those dungeon are so easy its stupid people are soloing them.Check out @Ch4mpTW threads in General discussion he solo a good majority in the first week.These sets are so easy to get ts stupid the hardest thing about getting these sets is the RNG involved.

Believe it or not I don't really care I didn't buy my Bloodspawn from the PVP Vendor because one they haven't sold the shoulders yet plus I got mine before TG when they removed Impen from PVE.My helm infused heavy I got from doing Spindle after they removed Impen from the table haven't got any helm other than training when I ran it.Not farming spindle for the helm when my infused one just fine.Don't talk like you know me dude I spend my time 75-80% of my time in PVP doesn't mean I don't do PVE.

Its the reason why I know any PVE who know what their doing are not running two proc sets so adding a GCD doesn't hurt not one PVE player so your argument is mute. I know many PVE players who don't RP and do the content just to do it they find it fun and none of them use more than 1 proc set of Amy at all.The only people who will QQ are the one who don't have a clue in the first place.Or complaining just because it was a change to balance PVP.They blame PVPers for changes PVERS cost.

I think you keep missing point most pve builds run ONE proc set but pvp players want to nerf that for their own benefit. Valkyn skoria was nerfed for a while because f PVP QQ and magicka builds couldn't use them for a while until 1T, do you want to do that to all players that use one proc set in their builds just so you can PVP better? I hope its just a battle spirt nerf.

Careful what you wish for...

I want to get rid of RNG doing nearly 20k+ on its self.

Can we please bring skill back to PVP especially with duels being introduced? Sorry you grinded a "cheese build", but the rest of us want to actually play the game with skill not rng.

Lol what cheese build? Do you have trouble reading or what? I don't wear proc sets I even shared my build with you and you laughed. Lol I'm dealing with proctards while you are here QQing.

ZOS please nerf proc sets in battle spirit so It doen't hurt PVErs, There now you can QQ about something else.

how about they just remove the proc sets all together? Or only allow 1 to proc within any interval of the other.

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Holy crap some if you pvpers are rude and straight stupid makes pvpers like me look bad. You complain about procc sets yet go out of your way to farm them.

If you hate them so bad guess what Don't farm them and Don't wear them simple I don't wear them and I do just fine in PVP if you have to wear proc sets to compete then you need to L2P.

Stop being selfish and leave proc sets alone for pvers they have a right to enjoy them too.

Because grinding RNG, then relying on RNG, makes you a skillful player right?

It's skill based to rely on 3-4 procs, and even poison procs? It's a L2P issue because you're hit with 4 set procs at one time totally over 13k damage in under a second?

Sorry but this isn't a L2P issue for anyone besides you. Go drop the proc sets and fight a NB running 4 procs with poison then tell me how much of a L2P issue it is.


You know there was a time once when you had to actually strategically play the game, that time is long gone. Now everything is pure RNG, skill has been thrown out the window for a grindfest on heavy rng gear that is extraordinarily OP when you have multiple sets of procs on.

First of all I am against proc sets in pvp however they shouldn't be nerfed just for pvp because pve players also use them I have pve friends that use them in their dps rotation its essential to some and I find it funny how pvp player want to tell pvers how to dps Lol. Second like I said if you don't like proc sets DO NOT USE THEM, if most of you guys followed that idea pvp wouldn’t be this bad but NOOO gotta copy every streamer and youtube build right?

Im confused with the bolded part. I just told you I don't need to wear proc sets and I BEAT other that do wear them do I still need to L2P?

I think some of you guys need to adjust your own builds, stop copying streamer/you tubers stop play Fotm and make your own builds. You' d be surprised how much more fluid it is to pvp

You realized no one has a problem with just one proc sets which most PVE build use they only use one if they using more than they DPs going into the crappier and they don't know what their doing.No serious PVE defends proc sets and say don't Nerf them.They see how broken they are in PVP and the only person defending them are people like you who don't know what the hell their talking aboutand people who just want easy kills or pve only players who don't care about PVP and don't want balance. Like I said no one have problem with someone using 1 proc sets its their ability to stack which is the issue and why most people asking for that to no longer be the case.

If we follow your logic every broken thing in PVP won't be fixed because some PVE makes him feel good .Give any boss multiple proc sets and every PVEr Would be Herr crying.They already cry about the difficulty off the world boss when you can solo most of them or that they now have to actually learn the mechanics of dungeons.We shouldn't balance a game for them and the Dev that thank they should should be fired and never hired on any game again.

I think Im going brain dead with the bolded part. This is what happens when you use emotions in an argument.

I'm not a pve player, and pve players don't want them nerfed because you have to earn them, why would you run a dungeon a get these sets if they are nerfed? Also if the proc sets were nerfed ( which they should be) it should be a battle spirit nerf that doen't effect pve but knowing Wrobel he will blanket nerf the sets across he board.

Players will always want easy kills and will always follow the meta I bet you wear these sets them complain about them, balance went out the window when CP was introduced this isn't really super bad, there were worst cheese builds remeber bombing blades? This games pvp has and always will be imbalanced because of CP nerfing proc sets would just be a band aid fix you guys would still complain about something else.

And should proc sets be nerf and I think they should put the nerf in battle spirit, but I have a feeling Wrobel won't do that.

Edit: bottom half of your argument sounds so entitled its not even funny most of Zos profit comes from the PVE audience, in the case that Zos doent nerf the sets then stop being selfish and either,

L2P( don't follow the meta) or Play a different game.

Lmao dude only proc set I run is blood spawn.Ask @Ron_Burgundy_79 or @texassob I talk crap about them for using proc sets like viper red mountain and velidreth.Honestly no other cheesebuild has been as bad as this you know why because even with all of those cheese builds you had to use abilities, their some type of skill here their nothing all you have to do is light attack someone you can do 12 worth of damage because of the sets your wearing.Their no bigger cheese than that.

Like I said before you just dont know what your talking about No one is asking for a complete Nerf of the sets most are asking that 1.A set can not proc another proc set.2.A GCD on a proc set so two can't proc at the same time,2-3 seconds is all that's needed to deter someone from running multiple proc sets.The problem isn't one proc set its people stacking multiple proc sets.No set should play the game for you its common sense anyone against that I don't know what's wrong with that.Again no one who know what their talking about want a blanket Nerf of these sets just want them balanced.

How easy The dungeons are your not earning anything .Plus if you really were a PVP player you would want balance no Nerf they do to these sets would affect PVE which you know they can just adjust the mobs health and resistances so they won't notice the difference.Thats not true at all they make most of the money off Of Role players and soloers who the majority dont do the content to get these sets.So nerfing these sets won't affect them at all.

Where do I start. Although don't want to directly nerf proc sets most pvpers want to nerf each individual set, I had a pvp friend complain about Valkyn skoria and another complain about Velidreth and they wanted them nerfed in dmg and CD

2nd you said no one earns these set? LOL are you joking? Run one of these dungeons on vet mode with 1T update and see how easy it is. This is what happens when you pigeon hold yourself into one part of a game. You probably bought your blood spawn from the cyrodil vendor.

if you know RP means you would know that pve exclusive players are pretty much role players some way more than others and they partake in pve content, They are the heros they go into a dungeon kill the bad guy get the loot and glory.

Reguardless if they nerf them or not It doesn't effect me I PVP more than I pve and I don't use these sets, but you would be hurting the PVE players for your own benefit and will cause lots of Pve QQ. Besides after this you will find somthing else to QQ about

Lmao dude I done every dungeon in this game including Vet WGT,ICP,Ruin and Cradle all hardmode done before and after the update and every trial but VetMOl on Vet dude.Those dungeon are so easy its stupid people are soloing them.Check out @Ch4mpTW threads in General discussion he solo a good majority in the first week.These sets are so easy to get ts stupid the hardest thing about getting these sets is the RNG involved.

Believe it or not I don't really care I didn't buy my Bloodspawn from the PVP Vendor because one they haven't sold the shoulders yet plus I got mine before TG when they removed Impen from PVE.My helm infused heavy I got from doing Spindle after they removed Impen from the table haven't got any helm other than training when I ran it.Not farming spindle for the helm when my infused one just fine.Don't talk like you know me dude I spend my time 75-80% of my time in PVP doesn't mean I don't do PVE.

Its the reason why I know any PVE who know what their doing are not running two proc sets so adding a GCD doesn't hurt not one PVE player so your argument is mute. I know many PVE players who don't RP and do the content just to do it they find it fun and none of them use more than 1 proc set of Amy at all.The only people who will QQ are the one who don't have a clue in the first place.Or complaining just because it was a change to balance PVP.They blame PVPers for changes PVERS cost.

I think you keep missing point most pve builds run ONE proc set but pvp players want to nerf that for their own benefit. Valkyn skoria was nerfed for a while because of PVP QQ and magicka builds couldn't use them for a while until 1T, do you want to do that to all players that use one proc set in their builds just so you can PVP better? I hope its just a battle spirt nerf.

Careful what you wish for...

No just because your guildmates can't handle 1 proc set doesn't mean the rest of us can.1 Proc set isn't the problem ,anyone can survive 1 proc set easy if your friends can't they need to work on their builds.TBH I haven't seen or taken anyone serious when they say make a blakent Nerf .@Joy_Division Had a great idea where a good chunk of players support add a global cool down on a proc set so of you stack a proc set two can not go off at the same time.That's people problem with the sets and even of its not a battle spirit Nerf it wouldn't affect PVE in a negative way,Since as you said its most PVE builds use one proc set.Their was only magica proc sets before they where added in update 11 before than we did not have any proc sets but magica. Stam builds was using Skoria because they mainly ran Dots.Yes they nerfed skoria before but since bout 1.6 it been buffed and many builds used it they even buffed it more with 1T.Same with most of the monster sets 1.6 and beyond they been good that's a year +magic builds been able to use them.You know the difference between magic proc sets and Stam you have to build for that damage. For skoria to work I need to run multiple dots.Viper and veil all I have to do is light attack someone. Yes that's broken.

My guild members use proc sets for PVE not PVP but they don't ant them nerfed in PVE because of PVP unless it's a battle spirit nerf.

Btw Skoria is just as annoying as Veli, one dot can proc it( Not saying its OP but it's on par with Velidreth)

No its not on par with veli at all.With veli any damage you do proc be it siege ,Dot, direct damage from a ability or proc set damage.Skoria on price of of Dots which in PVP mainly DK and magplar would proc.Stam sorcs as well but they wouldn't use skoria.Its no where near on par with veli.I really starting think you have no clue what your talking about.

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I really starting think you have no clue what your talking about.

This.

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No its not on par with veli at all.With veli any damage you do proc be it siege ,Dot, direct damage from a ability or proc set damage.Skoria on price of of Dots which in PVP mainly DK and magplar would proc.Stam sorcs as well but they wouldn't use skoria.Its no where near on par with veli.I really starting think you have no clue what your talking about.

Skoria is not versatile as Veli in the sense that you need some specific builds to make it work (veli works on any build, slot it and g2g), but with the proper build Skoria is as dangerous as Veli (if not more, since you can hear the proc and time a combo with it).
Veli proc'ing from siege is hardly something worth mention, since it procs from you and not from the target, what is the point of a veli proc if i am with a treb 80mts away from target? lol

Skoria is really powerful set when used properly.

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just thought i would leave this here, as a mageblade i have to play perfectly (as in not get hit at all) or this happens, im not bitter against the players just against ZoS for turning pvp into this insta kill nightmare. and for the record i run impen.

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just thought i would leave this here, as a mageblade i have to play perfectly (as in not get hit at all) or this happens, im not bitter against the players just against ZoS for turning pvp into this insta kill nightmare. and for the record i run impen.

I have the exact same death recap pic...

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just thought i would leave this here, as a mageblade i have to play perfectly (as in not get hit at all) or this happens, im not bitter against the players just against ZoS for turning pvp into this insta kill nightmare. and for the record i run impen.

I have the exact same death recap pic...

It's pretty common, and apparently the PvE crowd needs this to get through Vet Spindleclutch. We shouldn't use this death recap of 20k+ damage in less than half a second to make Vet Spindleclutch harder than it needs to be, should we?

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Holy crap some if you pvpers are rude and straight stupid makes pvpers like me look bad. You complain about procc sets yet go out of your way to farm them.

If you hate them so bad guess what Don't farm them and Don't wear them simple I don't wear them and I do just fine in PVP if you have to wear proc sets to compete then you need to L2P.

Stop being selfish and leave proc sets alone for pvers they have a right to enjoy them too.

Because grinding RNG, then relying on RNG, makes you a skillful player right?

It's skill based to rely on 3-4 procs, and even poison procs? It's a L2P issue because you're hit with 4 set procs at one time totally over 13k damage in under a second?

Sorry but this isn't a L2P issue for anyone besides you. Go drop the proc sets and fight a NB running 4 procs with poison then tell me how much of a L2P issue it is.


You know there was a time once when you had to actually strategically play the game, that time is long gone. Now everything is pure RNG, skill has been thrown out the window for a grindfest on heavy rng gear that is extraordinarily OP when you have multiple sets of procs on.

First of all I am against proc sets in pvp however they shouldn't be nerfed just for pvp because pve players also use them I have pve friends that use them in their dps rotation its essential to some and I find it funny how pvp player want to tell pvers how to dps Lol. Second like I said if you don't like proc sets DO NOT USE THEM, if most of you guys followed that idea pvp wouldn’t be this bad but NOOO gotta copy every streamer and youtube build right?

Im confused with the bolded part. I just told you I don't need to wear proc sets and I BEAT other that do wear them do I still need to L2P?

I think some of you guys need to adjust your own builds, stop copying streamer/you tubers stop play Fotm and make your own builds. You' d be surprised how much more fluid it is to pvp

You realized no one has a problem with just one proc sets which most PVE build use they only use one if they using more than they DPs going into the crappier and they don't know what their doing.No serious PVE defends proc sets and say don't Nerf them.They see how broken they are in PVP and the only person defending them are people like you who don't know what the hell their talking aboutand people who just want easy kills or pve only players who don't care about PVP and don't want balance. Like I said no one have problem with someone using 1 proc sets its their ability to stack which is the issue and why most people asking for that to no longer be the case.

If we follow your logic every broken thing in PVP won't be fixed because some PVE makes him feel good .Give any boss multiple proc sets and every PVEr Would be Herr crying.They already cry about the difficulty off the world boss when you can solo most of them or that they now have to actually learn the mechanics of dungeons.We shouldn't balance a game for them and the Dev that thank they should should be fired and never hired on any game again.

I think Im going brain dead with the bolded part. This is what happens when you use emotions in an argument.

I'm not a pve player, and pve players don't want them nerfed because you have to earn them, why would you run a dungeon a get these sets if they are nerfed? Also if the proc sets were nerfed ( which they should be) it should be a battle spirit nerf that doen't effect pve but knowing Wrobel he will blanket nerf the sets across he board.

Players will always want easy kills and will always follow the meta I bet you wear these sets them complain about them, balance went out the window when CP was introduced this isn't really super bad, there were worst cheese builds remeber bombing blades? This games pvp has and always will be imbalanced because of CP nerfing proc sets would just be a band aid fix you guys would still complain about something else.

And should proc sets be nerf and I think they should put the nerf in battle spirit, but I have a feeling Wrobel won't do that.

Edit: bottom half of your argument sounds so entitled its not even funny most of Zos profit comes from the PVE audience, in the case that Zos doent nerf the sets then stop being selfish and either,

L2P( don't follow the meta) or Play a different game.

Lmao dude only proc set I run is blood spawn.Ask @Ron_Burgundy_79 or @texassob I talk crap about them for using proc sets like viper red mountain and velidreth.Honestly no other cheesebuild has been as bad as this you know why because even with all of those cheese builds you had to use abilities, their some type of skill here their nothing all you have to do is light attack someone you can do 12 worth of damage because of the sets your wearing.Their no bigger cheese than that.

Like I said before you just dont know what your talking about No one is asking for a complete Nerf of the sets most are asking that 1.A set can not proc another proc set.2.A GCD on a proc set so two can't proc at the same time,2-3 seconds is all that's needed to deter someone from running multiple proc sets.The problem isn't one proc set its people stacking multiple proc sets.No set should play the game for you its common sense anyone against that I don't know what's wrong with that.Again no one who know what their talking about want a blanket Nerf of these sets just want them balanced.

How easy The dungeons are your not earning anything .Plus if you really were a PVP player you would want balance no Nerf they do to these sets would affect PVE which you know they can just adjust the mobs health and resistances so they won't notice the difference.Thats not true at all they make most of the money off Of Role players and soloers who the majority dont do the content to get these sets.So nerfing these sets won't affect them at all.

Where do I start. Although don't want to directly nerf proc sets most pvpers want to nerf each individual set, I had a pvp friend complain about Valkyn skoria and another complain about Velidreth and they wanted them nerfed in dmg and CD

2nd you said no one earns these set? LOL are you joking? Run one of these dungeons on vet mode with 1T update and see how easy it is. This is what happens when you pigeon hold yourself into one part of a game. You probably bought your blood spawn from the cyrodil vendor.

if you know RP means you would know that pve exclusive players are pretty much role players some way more than others and they partake in pve content, They are the heros they go into a dungeon kill the bad guy get the loot and glory.

Reguardless if they nerf them or not It doesn't effect me I PVP more than I pve and I don't use these sets, but you would be hurting the PVE players for your own benefit and will cause lots of Pve QQ. Besides after this you will find somthing else to QQ about

Lmao dude I done every dungeon in this game including Vet WGT,ICP,Ruin and Cradle all hardmode done before and after the update and every trial but VetMOl on Vet dude.Those dungeon are so easy its stupid people are soloing them.Check out @Ch4mpTW threads in General discussion he solo a good majority in the first week.These sets are so easy to get ts stupid the hardest thing about getting these sets is the RNG involved.

Believe it or not I don't really care I didn't buy my Bloodspawn from the PVP Vendor because one they haven't sold the shoulders yet plus I got mine before TG when they removed Impen from PVE.My helm infused heavy I got from doing Spindle after they removed Impen from the table haven't got any helm other than training when I ran it.Not farming spindle for the helm when my infused one just fine.Don't talk like you know me dude I spend my time 75-80% of my time in PVP doesn't mean I don't do PVE.

Its the reason why I know any PVE who know what their doing are not running two proc sets so adding a GCD doesn't hurt not one PVE player so your argument is mute. I know many PVE players who don't RP and do the content just to do it they find it fun and none of them use more than 1 proc set of Amy at all.The only people who will QQ are the one who don't have a clue in the first place.Or complaining just because it was a change to balance PVP.They blame PVPers for changes PVERS cost.

I think you keep missing point most pve builds run ONE proc set but pvp players want to nerf that for their own benefit. Valkyn skoria was nerfed for a while because of PVP QQ and magicka builds couldn't use them for a while until 1T, do you want to do that to all players that use one proc set in their builds just so you can PVP better? I hope its just a battle spirt nerf.

Careful what you wish for...

No just because your guildmates can't handle 1 proc set doesn't mean the rest of us can.1 Proc set isn't the problem ,anyone can survive 1 proc set easy if your friends can't they need to work on their builds.TBH I haven't seen or taken anyone serious when they say make a blakent Nerf .@Joy_Division Had a great idea where a good chunk of players support add a global cool down on a proc set so of you stack a proc set two can not go off at the same time.That's people problem with the sets and even of its not a battle spirit Nerf it wouldn't affect PVE in a negative way,Since as you said its most PVE builds use one proc set.Their was only magica proc sets before they where added in update 11 before than we did not have any proc sets but magica. Stam builds was using Skoria because they mainly ran Dots.Yes they nerfed skoria before but since bout 1.6 it been buffed and many builds used it they even buffed it more with 1T.Same with most of the monster sets 1.6 and beyond they been good that's a year +magic builds been able to use them.You know the difference between magic proc sets and Stam you have to build for that damage. For skoria to work I need to run multiple dots.Viper and veil all I have to do is light attack someone. Yes that's broken.

My guild members use proc sets for PVE not PVP but they don't ant them nerfed in PVE because of PVP unless it's a battle spirit nerf.

Btw Skoria is just as annoying as Veli, one dot can proc it( Not saying its OP but it's on par with Velidreth)

No its not on par with veli at all.With veli any damage you do proc be it siege ,Dot, direct damage from a ability or proc set damage.Skoria on price of of Dots which in PVP mainly DK and magplar would proc.Stam sorcs as well but they wouldn't use skoria.Its no where near on par with veli.I really starting think you have no clue what your talking about.

Well if you can type articulately you might be able to know what you're typing about.