ZoS I really hate you... I truly do.

raidentenshu_ESO · October 2016

Mannimarco's journal about the Soul Shriven: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:On_Soul_Shriven

Volume 3

"I wonder at this vestige's motives. Who were they? Could they have been a useful ally? Could they still be one? It is doubtful — stealing one's soul tends to create resentment, after all. Nevertheless, I shall keep all of my options open in regards to this Soul Shriven and its gem."

My question: Why couldn't we become friends of Mannimarco? Sure he killed us for the sake of Molag bal... NO BIG deal. No resentments. It's just business. No need to cry over it like a baby. Why couldn't we do something that is actually unique and not the same repeated hero listening to boring and excessive needy NPC's crap over again? Why couldn't we aid Mannimarco and Molag bal to take over Tamriel? This would be a GREAT addition to PvP you know. To include a Daedric faction where players can fight for Mannimarco in the name of Molag bal (Or just right for Molag bal).

Wolfhammer · October 2016

Ooooo like the idea of a Daedric faction..

Sounds like a good excuse for a Necro class....

raidentenshu_ESO · October 2016

Wolfhammer wrote: »

Ooooo like the idea of a Daedric faction..

Sounds like a good excuse for a Necro class....

It brings me back to quake wars enemy territory

Wolfhammer · October 2016

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Wolfhammer wrote: »

Ooooo like the idea of a Daedric faction..

Sounds like a good excuse for a Necro class....

It brings me back to quake wars enemy territory

Strogg, STROGG, STRAAAAAAWGG

tinythinker · October 2016

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Mannimarco's journal about the Soul Shriven: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:On_Soul_Shriven

Volume 3

"I wonder at this vestige's motives. Who were they? Could they have been a useful ally? Could they still be one? It is doubtful — stealing one's soul tends to create resentment, after all. Nevertheless, I shall keep all of my options open in regards to this Soul Shriven and its gem."

My question: Why couldn't we become friends of Mannimarco? Sure he killed us for the sake of Molag bal... NO BIG deal. No resentments. It's just business. No need to cry over it like a baby. Why couldn't we do something that is actually unique and not the same repeated hero listening to boring and excessive needy NPC's crap over again? Why couldn't we aid Mannimarco and Molag bal to take over Tamriel? This would be a GREAT addition to PvP you know. To include a Daedric faction where players can fight for Mannimarco in the name of Molag bal (Or just right for Molag bal).

In every TES game you are the hero. Even if you are a rude, bloodthirsty arsehole kind of anti-hero style hero, you still save Tamriel.

zzerogg · October 2016

Hate is lazy and easy.

Raaneesi · October 2016

I object purely from a lore point.

raidentenshu_ESO · October 2016

tinythinker wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Mannimarco's journal about the Soul Shriven: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:On_Soul_Shriven

Volume 3

"I wonder at this vestige's motives. Who were they? Could they have been a useful ally? Could they still be one? It is doubtful — stealing one's soul tends to create resentment, after all. Nevertheless, I shall keep all of my options open in regards to this Soul Shriven and its gem."

My question: Why couldn't we become friends of Mannimarco? Sure he killed us for the sake of Molag bal... NO BIG deal. No resentments. It's just business. No need to cry over it like a baby. Why couldn't we do something that is actually unique and not the same repeated hero listening to boring and excessive needy NPC's crap over again? Why couldn't we aid Mannimarco and Molag bal to take over Tamriel? This would be a GREAT addition to PvP you know. To include a Daedric faction where players can fight for Mannimarco in the name of Molag bal (Or just right for Molag bal).

In every TES game you are the hero. Even if you are a rude, bloodthirsty arsehole kind of anti-hero style hero, you still save Tamriel.

It gets old and boring after a while.

Apparently the only time we can actually portray the antagonistic side is if we join the Dark brotherhood or the thieves guild, and even those get boring too.

Oh and maybe I want to choose not to save Tamriel. Shouldn't I have the choice of it? Why is it force onto me?

tinythinker · October 2016

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Mannimarco's journal about the Soul Shriven: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:On_Soul_Shriven

Volume 3

"I wonder at this vestige's motives. Who were they? Could they have been a useful ally? Could they still be one? It is doubtful — stealing one's soul tends to create resentment, after all. Nevertheless, I shall keep all of my options open in regards to this Soul Shriven and its gem."

My question: Why couldn't we become friends of Mannimarco? Sure he killed us for the sake of Molag bal... NO BIG deal. No resentments. It's just business. No need to cry over it like a baby. Why couldn't we do something that is actually unique and not the same repeated hero listening to boring and excessive needy NPC's crap over again? Why couldn't we aid Mannimarco and Molag bal to take over Tamriel? This would be a GREAT addition to PvP you know. To include a Daedric faction where players can fight for Mannimarco in the name of Molag bal (Or just right for Molag bal).

In every TES game you are the hero. Even if you are a rude, bloodthirsty arsehole kind of anti-hero style hero, you still save Tamriel.

It gets old and boring after a while.

Apparently the only time we can actually portray the antagonistic side is if we join the Dark brotherhood or the thieves guild, and even those get boring too.

Oh and maybe I want to choose not to save Tamriel. Shouldn't I have the choice of it? Why is it force onto me?

Because that's Elder Scrolls. Every time.

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2016

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Oh and maybe I want to choose not to save Tamriel. Shouldn't I have the choice of it? Why is it force onto me?

I never tried that but I think there's no downside in NOT saving Tamriel now. You don't do the main quest. You don't do the zones' quests. You level up grinding. You choose which guilds' main quest line you want to complete.
You don't have to "save Tamriel" to be a full-blown CP561 character.

raidentenshu_ESO · October 2016

tinythinker wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Mannimarco's journal about the Soul Shriven: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:On_Soul_Shriven

Volume 3

"I wonder at this vestige's motives. Who were they? Could they have been a useful ally? Could they still be one? It is doubtful — stealing one's soul tends to create resentment, after all. Nevertheless, I shall keep all of my options open in regards to this Soul Shriven and its gem."

My question: Why couldn't we become friends of Mannimarco? Sure he killed us for the sake of Molag bal... NO BIG deal. No resentments. It's just business. No need to cry over it like a baby. Why couldn't we do something that is actually unique and not the same repeated hero listening to boring and excessive needy NPC's crap over again? Why couldn't we aid Mannimarco and Molag bal to take over Tamriel? This would be a GREAT addition to PvP you know. To include a Daedric faction where players can fight for Mannimarco in the name of Molag bal (Or just right for Molag bal).

In every TES game you are the hero. Even if you are a rude, bloodthirsty arsehole kind of anti-hero style hero, you still save Tamriel.

It gets old and boring after a while.

Apparently the only time we can actually portray the antagonistic side is if we join the Dark brotherhood or the thieves guild, and even those get boring too.

Oh and maybe I want to choose not to save Tamriel. Shouldn't I have the choice of it? Why is it force onto me?

Because that's Elder Scrolls. Every time.

Buuuuuuut! In Skyrim we can get to choose to kill Paarthurnax

raidentenshu_ESO · October 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Oh and maybe I want to choose not to save Tamriel. Shouldn't I have the choice of it? Why is it force onto me?

I never tried that but I think there's no downside in NOT saving Tamriel now. You don't do the main quest. You don't do the zones' quests. You level up grinding. You choose which guilds' main quest line you want to complete.
You don't have to "save Tamriel" to be a full-blown CP561 character.

I would have to take lots and lots of drugs to tolerate Level and then CP grinding. My brain can't tolerate it.

nimander99 · October 2016

The main story line in Scrolls games is set in stone. Its the journey of good/bad/in between deeds that make for the fun experience... After all, it wouldn't make sense lore wise had Martin not become a dragon Avatar of Akitosh and defeated a Daedric Lorcess in Oblivion that led to the Skyrim storyline... Same can be said for Nerevar and the Heart of Lorkan in Morrowind.

Gargath · October 2016

There is enough hate, evil, death, massacre in this game, even more of it would be already too much.
Even now some parts are tasteless, like the blade of woe blood splatter animation.

AlienSlof · October 2016

Gargath wrote: »

There is enough hate, evil, death, massacre in this game, even more of it would be already too much.
Even now some parts are tasteless, like the blade of woe blood splatter animation.

I disagree. Humans are an aggressive, warlike species, far worse than any other on this planet. War is never squeaky-clean glory. It's vile, messy and often horrific.

Personally, I like to play as evil characters. Better to be evil and make war in a game than in real life.

Rune_Relic · October 2016

I think there is just as much a need to hate on the established orders influence over everything as there is to love the idea being a saviour figure or hero.

It is quite normally the underdog (ie the one outside the established order) that everyone roots for.

Thus empires enforce their will upon the future of everyone.
The individual fights the empire to take back that freedom and control over their future.
It all comes down to who benefits from future events.
Normally its a limited few having a massive influence that causes the issues.
Aristocrats and tyrants being a perfect example.
They shape the future for their benefit...not everyones.

ArchMikem · October 2016

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

My question: Why couldn't we become friends of Mannimarco? Sure he killed us for the sake of Molag bal... NO BIG deal. No resentments. It's just business. No need to cry over it like a baby. Why couldn't we do something that is actually unique and not the same repeated hero listening to boring and excessive needy NPC's crap over again? Why couldn't we aid Mannimarco and Molag bal to take over Tamriel? This would be a GREAT addition to PvP you know. To include a Daedric faction where players can fight for Mannimarco in the name of Molag bal (Or just right for Molag bal).

And then in the end when your usefulness runs dry Molag Bal imprisons and tortures your soul for fun and turns you into an abomination.

Berenhir · October 2016

tinythinker wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Mannimarco's journal about the Soul Shriven: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:On_Soul_Shriven

Volume 3

"I wonder at this vestige's motives. Who were they? Could they have been a useful ally? Could they still be one? It is doubtful — stealing one's soul tends to create resentment, after all. Nevertheless, I shall keep all of my options open in regards to this Soul Shriven and its gem."

My question: Why couldn't we become friends of Mannimarco? Sure he killed us for the sake of Molag bal... NO BIG deal. No resentments. It's just business. No need to cry over it like a baby. Why couldn't we do something that is actually unique and not the same repeated hero listening to boring and excessive needy NPC's crap over again? Why couldn't we aid Mannimarco and Molag bal to take over Tamriel? This would be a GREAT addition to PvP you know. To include a Daedric faction where players can fight for Mannimarco in the name of Molag bal (Or just right for Molag bal).

In every TES game you are the hero. Even if you are a rude, bloodthirsty arsehole kind of anti-hero style hero, you still save Tamriel.

As if anybody ever played the main story in any TES game.

DocFrost72 · October 2016

ArchMikem wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

My question: Why couldn't we become friends of Mannimarco? Sure he killed us for the sake of Molag bal... NO BIG deal. No resentments. It's just business. No need to cry over it like a baby. Why couldn't we do something that is actually unique and not the same repeated hero listening to boring and excessive needy NPC's crap over again? Why couldn't we aid Mannimarco and Molag bal to take over Tamriel? This would be a GREAT addition to PvP you know. To include a Daedric faction where players can fight for Mannimarco in the name of Molag bal (Or just right for Molag bal).

And then in the end when your usefulness runs dry Molag Bal imprisons and tortures your soul for fun and turns you into an abomination.

Lord of domination sounds fun for certain kinds of people, I suppose

raidentenshu_ESO · October 2016

ArchMikem wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

My question: Why couldn't we become friends of Mannimarco? Sure he killed us for the sake of Molag bal... NO BIG deal. No resentments. It's just business. No need to cry over it like a baby. Why couldn't we do something that is actually unique and not the same repeated hero listening to boring and excessive needy NPC's crap over again? Why couldn't we aid Mannimarco and Molag bal to take over Tamriel? This would be a GREAT addition to PvP you know. To include a Daedric faction where players can fight for Mannimarco in the name of Molag bal (Or just right for Molag bal).

And then in the end when your usefulness runs dry Molag Bal imprisons and tortures your soul for fun and turns you into an abomination.

Can't be any worst then what Sheogorath did to poor Uncle Leo.

Abeille · October 2016

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

My question: Why couldn't we become friends of Mannimarco? Sure he killed us for the sake of Molag bal... NO BIG deal. No resentments. It's just business. No need to cry over it like a baby. Why couldn't we do something that is actually unique and not the same repeated hero listening to boring and excessive needy NPC's crap over again? Why couldn't we aid Mannimarco and Molag bal to take over Tamriel? This would be a GREAT addition to PvP you know. To include a Daedric faction where players can fight for Mannimarco in the name of Molag bal (Or just right for Molag bal).

And then in the end when your usefulness runs dry Molag Bal imprisons and tortures your soul for fun and turns you into an abomination.

Can't be any worst then what Sheogorath did to poor Uncle Leo.

Molag Bal did say there were worst masters than him... But I'm still not buying it.

dodgehopper_ESO · October 2016

Rune_Relic wrote: »

I think there is just as much a need to hate on the established orders influence over everything as there is to love the idea being a saviour figure or hero.

It is quite normally the underdog (ie the one outside the established order) that everyone roots for.

Thus empires enforce their will upon the future of everyone.
The individual fights the empire to take back that freedom and control over their future.
It all comes down to who benefits from future events.
Normally its a limited few having a massive influence that causes the issues.
Aristocrats and tyrants being a perfect example.
They shape the future for their benefit...not everyones.

That's a bit assumptive. While many leaders do things for their own benefit, I believe many also try to do things for the greater good and the future. I do agree the excessive pooling of power can be a bad thing though.

BlackEar · October 2016

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Mannimarco's journal about the Soul Shriven: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:On_Soul_Shriven

Volume 3

"I wonder at this vestige's motives. Who were they? Could they have been a useful ally? Could they still be one? It is doubtful — stealing one's soul tends to create resentment, after all. Nevertheless, I shall keep all of my options open in regards to this Soul Shriven and its gem."

My question: Why couldn't we become friends of Mannimarco? Sure he killed us for the sake of Molag bal... NO BIG deal. No resentments. It's just business. No need to cry over it like a baby. Why couldn't we do something that is actually unique and not the same repeated hero listening to boring and excessive needy NPC's crap over again? Why couldn't we aid Mannimarco and Molag bal to take over Tamriel? This would be a GREAT addition to PvP you know. To include a Daedric faction where players can fight for Mannimarco in the name of Molag bal (Or just right for Molag bal).

Why do you often prefer the click bait titles that only seeks to bash on ZOS? It seem like ever other post is you hating on something.

raidentenshu_ESO · October 2016

BlackEar wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Mannimarco's journal about the Soul Shriven: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:On_Soul_Shriven

Volume 3

"I wonder at this vestige's motives. Who were they? Could they have been a useful ally? Could they still be one? It is doubtful — stealing one's soul tends to create resentment, after all. Nevertheless, I shall keep all of my options open in regards to this Soul Shriven and its gem."

My question: Why couldn't we become friends of Mannimarco? Sure he killed us for the sake of Molag bal... NO BIG deal. No resentments. It's just business. No need to cry over it like a baby. Why couldn't we do something that is actually unique and not the same repeated hero listening to boring and excessive needy NPC's crap over again? Why couldn't we aid Mannimarco and Molag bal to take over Tamriel? This would be a GREAT addition to PvP you know. To include a Daedric faction where players can fight for Mannimarco in the name of Molag bal (Or just right for Molag bal).

Why do you often prefer the click bait titles that only seeks to bash on ZOS? It seem like ever other post is you hating on something.

Are you mad because you clicked on my thread and expected something profane, and didn't get what you desired? And yes. Most of the time I use this forum to vent out my frustrations towards the game that I have a love and hate relationship with. I am hoping that someone in ZoS headquarters actually takes the time to read threads such as this, and perhaps improve the content in the near future. I'm actually doing ZoS a favor by expressing my feelings and disagreements. I could very well just cancel my subscription and uninstall the game, but I'm not. I'm giving my feedback in hopes that ZoS listens to their players.

Callous2208 · October 2016

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

BlackEar wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Mannimarco's journal about the Soul Shriven: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:On_Soul_Shriven

Volume 3

"I wonder at this vestige's motives. Who were they? Could they have been a useful ally? Could they still be one? It is doubtful — stealing one's soul tends to create resentment, after all. Nevertheless, I shall keep all of my options open in regards to this Soul Shriven and its gem."

My question: Why couldn't we become friends of Mannimarco? Sure he killed us for the sake of Molag bal... NO BIG deal. No resentments. It's just business. No need to cry over it like a baby. Why couldn't we do something that is actually unique and not the same repeated hero listening to boring and excessive needy NPC's crap over again? Why couldn't we aid Mannimarco and Molag bal to take over Tamriel? This would be a GREAT addition to PvP you know. To include a Daedric faction where players can fight for Mannimarco in the name of Molag bal (Or just right for Molag bal).

Why do you often prefer the click bait titles that only seeks to bash on ZOS? It seem like ever other post is you hating on something.

Are you mad because you clicked on my thread and expected something profane, and didn't get what you desired? And yes. Most of the time I use this forum to vent out my frustrations towards the game that I have a love and hate relationship with. I am hoping that someone in ZoS headquarters actually takes the time to read threads such as this, and perhaps improve the content in the near future. I'm actually doing ZoS a favor by expressing my feelings and disagreements. I could very well just cancel my subscription and uninstall the game, but I'm not. I'm giving my feedback in hopes that ZoS listens to their players.

Lol. Doing them a favor. Someone thinks awfully highly of themselves. I think ZOS does a decent enough job listening to constructive feedback while ignoring the crazies and their fantastical demands. You fit into that latter category friend.

ollom · October 2016

I once spent seventeen hours walking back and forth between two green pipes because I wanted to be a Koopa Troopa. I am still angry with some other video game company for not making that a viable option.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · October 2016

I have always loved the idea of having a Deadric faction in the game.

medusasfolly · October 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Oh and maybe I want to choose not to save Tamriel. Shouldn't I have the choice of it? Why is it force onto me?

I never tried that but I think there's no downside in NOT saving Tamriel now. You don't do the main quest. You don't do the zones' quests. You level up grinding. You choose which guilds' main quest line you want to complete.
You don't have to "save Tamriel" to be a full-blown CP561 character.

Or... you don't buy the game.

idk · October 2016

In games where players actually make choices the end result is still the same, just with different motives.

In other words, we would still defeat manimarco but it may be for some dark reason such as personal vengeance.

Skitttles · October 2016

wow r00d

Enodoc · October 2016

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Mannimarco's journal about the Soul Shriven: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:On_Soul_Shriven

Volume 3

"I wonder at this vestige's motives. Who were they? Could they have been a useful ally? Could they still be one? It is doubtful — stealing one's soul tends to create resentment, after all. Nevertheless, I shall keep all of my options open in regards to this Soul Shriven and its gem."

My question: Why couldn't we become friends of Mannimarco? Sure he killed us for the sake of Molag bal... NO BIG deal. No resentments. It's just business. No need to cry over it like a baby. Why couldn't we do something that is actually unique and not the same repeated hero listening to boring and excessive needy NPC's crap over again? Why couldn't we aid Mannimarco and Molag bal to take over Tamriel? This would be a GREAT addition to PvP you know. To include a Daedric faction where players can fight for Mannimarco in the name of Molag bal (Or just right for Molag bal).

In every TES game you are the hero. Even if you are a rude, bloodthirsty arsehole kind of anti-hero style hero, you still save Tamriel.

It gets old and boring after a while.

Apparently the only time we can actually portray the antagonistic side is if we join the Dark brotherhood or the thieves guild, and even those get boring too.

Oh and maybe I want to choose not to save Tamriel. Shouldn't I have the choice of it? Why is it force onto me?

Because that's Elder Scrolls. Every time.

Buuuuuuut! In Skyrim we can get to choose to kill Paarthurnax

Maybe so, but that's at the request of the Blades, one of the protagonist factions. In TES you can never join the primary antagonist faction (which, in Skyrim, would be joining Alduin or the Dragon Cult; in Oblivion, it would be joining the Mythic Dawn; in Morrowind, it would be joining the Sixth House).