PvP requires no skill?

gamerguy757

So I've been reading a lot of posts recently about "PvP requiring no skill," since almost everything is proc this and proc that. Is that true? I mean, I was talking to a friend of mine who plays Destiny and we were comparing gear from the games and when he heard about sets that proc, even he said the same thing, since in Destiny the armor and weapons buff your stats and damage, not proc other effects.
So I'm still playing with sets that buff damage and overall stats, and it does seem that everyone uses sets that you get hit once, and you get hit five more times from a proc.
Is all this true? Has PvP really come to this?

KramUzibra

I agree to an extent. Some sets proc off anything and applies guarantee damage regardless whether or not your opponent is blocking or has evasion.

ColoursYouHave

People are certainly exaggerating when they say PVP requires no skill, but they are correct in the sense that all these proc sets reduce the overall skill cap of PVP.

Kram8ion

Sometimes I think of skill in pvp not being a requirement but more of a choice

Rohamad_Ali

Well if you are considering proc sets plus macros are skills then there are tons of skilled people's out there .

Astanphaeus

Proc sets are making it so that stam ganking requires no skill, and this is something that already required basically no skill. PvP in general still requires skill.

KingYogi415

Gotta play on console if you want to avoid CE and macros.

But other then that only scrubs who can't learn to adapt say "meta min/miner have no skill."

zzerogg

PVP i s easy if you don't encounter other people who are good at pvp, just spam buttons. But is you encounter a skilled pvp player who understand's the best way to counter skills of all class variations, your going home in a bag.

Alucardo

It still requires some degree of skill, but if you're using cheese sets it definitely makes things easier and turns the tide on fights you normally wouldn't win. Look at King Richards video for example. To give you a quick summary:

- He couldn't beat this guy because his opponent had a full cheese setup
- King went out and fitted himself with a cheese setup and won every duel thereafter

There's no such thing as true skill like there used to be. Them days are long gone. You still need to be a slightly capable player, but not necessarily a good one.

raglau

People are largely exaggerating the effect of proc sets on PvP in my view. ESO PvP has not been particularly demanding of skill for quite some time. And I say this as a relatively unskilled player myself.

Remember, the dev's need a lot of players, and high skills caps tend to deter high numbers of players. If you take ESO as you find it - a good fun casual game - then you can probably still have fun. If you want something truly demanding, then any mainstream game trying to find a large audience is not going to tick that box.

Alucardo

Pibbles wrote: »

People are largely exaggerating the effect of proc sets on PvP in my view. ESO PvP has not been particularly demanding of skill for quite some time. And I say this as a relatively unskilled player myself.

Remember, the dev's need a lot of players, and high skills caps tend to deter high numbers of players. If you take ESO as you find it - a good fun casual game - then you can probably still have fun. If you want something truly demanding, then any mainstream game trying to find a large audience is not going to tick that box.

Lol exaggerating? We've seen evidence that it greatly increases performance. If I'm wearing some crafted sets, say, 5 Hundings, 3 agility, 4 ashen, then I'm going to have a tough time against someone using Viper, Widowmaker, Velidreth and poisons. You just can't compete with that. So yes, it affects PVP a great deal actually.
If you can't beat someone because of what they're wearing (assuming you both have CP160 gear on), then there is a serious problem.
ESO was never always like this. Gear would help you, but it would never determine the outcome of a fight before it even started like it does now.

Bislobo

PvP does require skill, awareness, reaction, knowledge of the game mechanics, but to an extent. Once you reach a certain threshold it's all about gear and player numbers (cyro). This happens because the game it's not balanced for that purpose. Maybe in the future with the addition of pvp battlegrounds/arenas, we could see better balance between classes, item sets, armor, abilities...

SlayerTheDragon

So using a macro or bot to execute, lets say, three damaging attacks with the press of one is key is NOT allowed.

Unless you have proc sets, then one key and three to four damaging abilities all fire automatically.

HOW IS THIS NOT CHEATING? ZOS is breaking their own rules.

moonio

Once again ESO have messed with my game..
I've only just managed to upgrade my PVP gear to gold and now it is useless because of proc sets...

I don't have time for this...

blimsta

moonio wrote: »

Once again ESO have messed with my game..
I've only just managed to upgrade my PVP gear to gold and now it is useless because of proc sets...

I don't have time for this...

this^^

Ilmarthethief

moonio wrote: »

Once again ESO have messed with my game..
I've only just managed to upgrade my PVP gear to gold and now it is useless because of proc sets...

I don't have time for this...

Can I have ur stuff?

kongkim

It do require skills. As even in a good set i still get my ass kicked every time :P

Waylander07

I personally think the gear set you wear should slightly enhance your skill not the other way round. I do not get to spend much time playing this game so i do not have top gear. It is disheartening to be wiped out in seconds due to the huge amount of damage some players can do in one or two shots. Recently i was hit for 21.4k damage from something called eye of flame ( or some name like that) which i believe is far to much damage from one hit. Its the same with the viper set , it does too much damage and detracts from the skill side of the game. Reducing the dam from sets like Viper to something like 1k every 4 sec would make the game more skill based rather than what gear set you use.
The gear you use in my opinion should only slightly enhance your chances in pvp. This would create more balance in the game though i can see that this would not suit all players as some like using and experimenting with high damage builds.
I no longer subscribe to ESSO something that i have done from the start because of these reasons which in my opinion spoils a great game.

mtwiggz

Proc sets are the new way to go in ESO. Unfortunately they require very little skill and are quite easily obtained. It's possible to do well over 15k damage with a single attack at this point, not to mention weaves, poison procs and bash canceling.

The state of PvP is horrendous.

Dracane

It's not entirely true.
It's just, that with certain sets and combinations and certain classes, even an unskilled player can be super strong.

But skill always has and will always be a factor. However, a skilled player with "fair" gear, may stilll loose to an unskilled player with proc sets.

Digiman

This was bound to happen with the changes in acquiring sets. This was long before added in the game now everyone can gather sets proper balancing can be applied to it.

Kelces

Bislobo wrote: »

PvP does require skill, awareness, reaction, knowledge of the game mechanics, but to an extent. Once you reach a certain threshold it's all about gear and player numbers (cyro). This happens because the game it's not balanced for that purpose. Maybe in the future with the addition of pvp battlegrounds/arenas, we could see better balance between classes, item sets, armor, abilities...

I mostly agree with this. Ultimately however it's the players, who utilize certain gear and techniques, that ruins the fun/balance for others without that advantage. The choices players make determine the picture we see, not the "colors" so to speak, that are provided.

It's sad to observe game after game being destroyed by a certain mentality brought in from real-life (don't we already have enough of it there?), when they all could have easily been living up to their players initial expectations.

Universe

PVP requires skill if you're not using those proc sets in either open world pvp or duels.
It looks like ZOS didn't nerf those proc sets in the recent patch, that's a shame.
I hope they will balance those sets in the next incremental patch.
I have taken a break from PVP because of how ridiculous the PVP combat is due to those sets.

Fettkeewl

Skill is required to survive against this BS proc sets Imho.

Go play a MagSorc, survive against this stam "meta" and you have your PvP skill

Universe

Fettkeewl wrote: »

Skill is required to survive against this BS proc sets Imho.

Go play a MagSorc, survive against this stam "meta" and you have your PvP skill

The issue is that being a skilled magicka sorcerer won't help you in any case.
If I'm facing a very skilled player who use the new proc set meta, I'm doomed to fail due to game mechanics & simple damage math(procs).
I was able to defeat players who use those proc sets but it's just a ridiculous fight...I'm always on the defensive, my dps was very low.
It is hard to defeat players who use those proc sets even if they are not skilled.

gamerguy757

so let me ask this....this is my first MMOPVP experience. I'm used to COD and Halo style of PvP.
What would ZOS have to do for the game to be skill based?

Sallington

The last time I stepped foot in Cyrodil, last week, I was killed by 2 flying daggers that each proc'd widowmaker.

2 flying daggers effectively hit me for 22k.

Haven't been back since, since that kind of stuff just isn't for for me anymore. It really sucks because I used to spend 99% of my playtime in Cyro.

charley222

you dont need a lot of skill playing mmo lol but you need a little bit of knowledge in the game ,
pvp in this game is to have the most cp point possible and best build , this is 85% of pvp ,and 15% knowledge , i hope this answer your question takecare

THEDKEXPERIENCE

The most skilled PVPers are the ones running 3 stone trebs at once. The least skilled ones kill 25 people on the Allessia Bridge and then do nothing once they get to the actual keep.

AnviOfVai

There is defiantly a certain level of skill when playing PVP, you have to be alert all the time, know what skills will work against certain players ect. If you play PVP continuously you start knowing the people and knowing how they play! Especially if they are one of the people who are incredibly hard to take down or you know you can't take them on your own *turn tail and run* OR you know that player runs in a group and you can only see one of them, yeah don't do it, your being watched

But yeah the Proc players are the ones you kinda have to keep an eye out for... Hopefully some more balance will be shown in the game soon should spice things up a bit more

gamerguy757

See I love the sets that are granting permanent buffs. Those sets are what we need. Proc sets need to chill *** out. Now if it was a proc like Kena, that gave a great power boost, but with a cost, yeah that's good. But when the only cost is a quick cooldown...NOT BALANCED.